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Keith : 8/25/2016 10:00 am
Thoughts on Josh Gordon. Out for 4 games, terrible QB, looked fat in the offseason, friends with Manziel. Anyone targeting him late?
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Agree with Keith  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 12:41 pm : link
who else was available when you took Charles and Cooper at 10 and 15?

Assuming that was the order.
Yea it is a keeper league so didn't go into detail about all that  
knicks3031 : 8/25/2016 12:42 pm : link
but 24 players were kept, a lot of which were RBs, so I took Jamaal at 10, Amari at 15, Kelvin with my 3rd.
Then Benjamin in rd 3?  
Keith : 8/25/2016 12:44 pm : link
Landry in rd 4 and Langford in rd5? If so, those are the only two picks that I like for you, haha. You don't have any strengths.

Your QB will be bottom half for the first 4 games, then top half.

Your RB's will probably be middle of the road.

Your WR's will be in the bottom of the league.

Your TE while solid, isn't in the upper echelon(especially with RG3).
Who were your  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 12:44 pm : link
keepers?
Ah a keeper,  
Keith : 8/25/2016 12:44 pm : link
might want to say that, haha.
The next 4 picks after Jamaal were  
knicks3031 : 8/25/2016 12:46 pm : link
Brandon Marshall
Alshon
Keenan Allen
Brandin Cooks

I was between Demaryius and Amari at 15. McCoy and Lacy were also available
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arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 12:48 pm : link
I'm not the best judge of keeper league teams but it just looks like a team that had no first rd pick. You should either have 1 WR or 1 RB who is a tier above Charles or Cooper.
pull point ppr, picking 5th  
FiveSix : 8/25/2016 12:48 pm : link
deciding between D. Hopkins and AJ Green..

thoughts and opinions for each?
Landry and Kevin White (14th round)  
knicks3031 : 8/25/2016 12:50 pm : link
were my keepers. Yea sorry I should've mentioned that first. I traded some of my better keepers last year to make a run at the championship.

RB is my biggest concern. I don't have true stars at WR but I'm hoping in a .5 ppr I can get by..
I am not touching Josh Gordon...  
EricJ : 8/25/2016 12:52 pm : link
this guy will never change. He has had this issues since high school. He is not going to suddenly get straight. He may come back this season but he WILL get another "random" test and then he will be gone again. I will bet anything that he does not last the season.

Plus, I am hearing that Cleveland wants to move him in the worst way. So, you never know where he could end up and what his role would be.

If you want to grab him with your very last pick then fine. However, in reading some of the comments where people have drafted him in the middle rounds... forget it. Better luck next year with your fantasy team
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knicks3031 : 8/25/2016 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13086045 arcarsenal said:
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I'm not the best judge of keeper league teams but it just looks like a team that had no first rd pick. You should either have 1 WR or 1 RB who is a tier above Charles or Cooper.


I agree. This was the issue because Odell, AB, Julio, Deandre, Dez, and AJ were all gone by 10. Along with Zeke, Gurley, AP, Lamar, Leveon and David Johnson
RE: pull point ppr, picking 5th  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 12:53 pm : link
In comment 13086047 FiveSix said:
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deciding between D. Hopkins and AJ Green..

thoughts and opinions for each?


I like Green a little more than Hopkins this year. I would take him. I would also seriously consider DJ, though. Don't know if 4th pick is taking him or not but if not and he's on the board.
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arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 12:54 pm : link
In comment 13086058 knicks3031 said:
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I'm not the best judge of keeper league teams but it just looks like a team that had no first rd pick. You should either have 1 WR or 1 RB who is a tier above Charles or Cooper.



I agree. This was the issue because Odell, AB, Julio, Deandre, Dez, and AJ were all gone by 10. Along with Zeke, Gurley, AP, Lamar, Leveon and David Johnson


Yeah it makes sense then since those players are basically all consensus 1st rounders this year for the most part.
RE: RE: pull point ppr, picking 5th  
robbieballs2003 : 8/25/2016 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13086061 arcarsenal said:
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deciding between D. Hopkins and AJ Green..

thoughts and opinions for each?



I like Green a little more than Hopkins this year. I would take him. I would also seriously consider DJ, though. Don't know if 4th pick is taking him or not but if not and he's on the board.


How many teams? I would easily draft DJ if he is available and you will still get some great options at WR in the second and third.
RE: RE: RE: pull point ppr, picking 5th  
FiveSix : 8/25/2016 2:19 pm : link
10 teams, not sure i am on the DJ train yet, figured a safer bet would be with a strong WR1 that i know is going to be fed targets

In comment 13086091 robbieballs2003 said:
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deciding between D. Hopkins and AJ Green..

thoughts and opinions for each?



I like Green a little more than Hopkins this year. I would take him. I would also seriously consider DJ, though. Don't know if 4th pick is taking him or not but if not and he's on the board.



How many teams? I would easily draft DJ if he is available and you will still get some great options at WR in the second and third.
I like AJ more thank Hopkins  
leatherneck570 : 8/25/2016 2:46 pm : link
He's in a tier by himself right after the top 3 IMO.
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arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 3:10 pm : link
Would it be crazy to take McCoy over Charles @ 2.8? I'm realizing that Charles falling to 2.8 is the scenario I am dreading because it means the first 17 picks were (likely)...

Brown, Beckham, Jones, DJ, Gurley, Hopkins, Peterson, Green, Marshall, Bryant, Robinson, Gronk, Allen, Miller, Elliott, Bell, Nelson

I would take any of the above players if they fell to 2.8 but I'm having a tough time bringing myself to take JC. So I passed on him to see what I'd wind up with and I really like this team.

Rivers, Stafford
McCoy, Forte, Hill, Gore, J White
Jones, Cooks, Floyd, Parker, Coleman
Reed

QB isn't ideal but a Rivers/Stafford combo should be pretty solid. I thought I could squeeze one more round out to wait for Eli because all 6 teams ahead of me had already taken a QB but the Rodgers team swiped him in the 9th rd.

It's possible I could have taken Cooper and gotten McCoy @ 3.3 but it's dicey and I felt like I'd rather make sure I get McCoy than risk losing out.. Cooks isn't a bad consolation as a WR2, IMO.
McCoy is going in 3rd/4th in most mocks  
Keith : 8/25/2016 3:37 pm : link
that's the only reason I don't take him at 2.8.
I took McCoy  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 3:42 pm : link
at 3.9 in my 10 team non-ppr, not sure he's a guy that ppr impacts much though anymore, at his age and in this offense not like his younger days in the Andy Reid offense.



arc  
Mr Brightside : 8/25/2016 4:10 pm : link
Don't Evans this year? I think he'd be my pick there at 2.8 and I like him more than Cooks, Allen, & Cooper.
Don't like*  
Mr Brightside : 8/25/2016 4:12 pm : link
.
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arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 4:15 pm : link
I like Cooper a little more than Evans I think. Also, as far as RB goes I do like Ingram so I guess I could pretty safely assume I will fry he or McCoy @3.3 if I go WR in rd 2.

I think I just like the 2nd rd WR + McCoy/Ingram more than Charles and a 3rd rd WR but maybe I'm just over analyzing.
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arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 4:16 pm : link
Don't know where "fry" came from. That should be "get".
I'm in the same spot as you  
Mr Brightside : 8/25/2016 4:30 pm : link
and am planning on taking a WR then a RB. I should be able to get McCoy, Ingram, Lacy, or Martin in the early 3rd.

My dreaded issue is if I have Julio do I take Marshall or Allen in the 2nd? They all have the same bye. Maybe I'm over-thinking that.
RE: I'm in the same spot as you  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 5:51 pm : link
In comment 13086470 Mr Brightside said:
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and am planning on taking a WR then a RB. I should be able to get McCoy, Ingram, Lacy, or Martin in the early 3rd.

My dreaded issue is if I have Julio do I take Marshall or Allen in the 2nd? They all have the same bye. Maybe I'm over-thinking that.


I never worry about bye weeks when I draft my team, honestly. Literally the only time I might even consider it is if I am at a "coin flip" point with two players and can't decide.

I would do backflips if I could pair Julio with Marshall.
I prefer to have a lot of my guys on the sams bye week.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/25/2016 6:56 pm : link
Why weaken your team over like 10 weeks when you can condense it into like 2? That means you are that much stronger for those 8 games or so.
picking 6th tomorrow night in a ppr  
jgambrosio : 8/25/2016 8:22 pm : link
no idea who to pick then. i’m hating the idea of dez/charles/elliott/peterson there
RE: picking 6th tomorrow night in a ppr  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 8:26 pm : link
In comment 13086644 jgambrosio said:
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no idea who to pick then. i’m hating the idea of dez/charles/elliott/peterson there


David Johnson could fall to you and he'd be a good pick.

otherwise you could draft AJ Green.

Assuming the first 5 are in some order: Brown, Jones, Beckham, Gurley and Hopkins.

If Hopkins and say Johnson are swapped than Hopkins or Green would be good options IMO.
RE: picking 6th tomorrow night in a ppr  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13086644 jgambrosio said:
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no idea who to pick then. i’m hating the idea of dez/charles/elliott/peterson there


Way too early for Charles. Wouldn't even consider him there.

I would take Green, Johnson or Hopkins. If all 3 are gone, I'd consider Gurley.
I’m hoping Gurley falls, I’m not sure I trust Johnson yet as a bellcow  
jgambrosio : 8/25/2016 9:09 pm : link
with Johnson and Ellington still there too. That being said, I’d rather pick the best RB than the 6th best WR at that point.

The latest rankings I saw has both Gurley and Johnson going 4/5. That leaves AP at 6 which I won’t touch, I had him on one team last year and he was very disappointing.

From the sound of the guys at the office, it will go Brown, Beckham, Jones, but there’s a wild card at 4 with a guy who isn’t big into football. In fact he’s a big Pats fan, so I’m hoping he stupidly takes Gronk. The fifth spot guy is a Bears fan, but that’s all I know about him.
How was AP disappointing?  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 9:14 pm : link
He led the league in attempts, yards and TD's. He was the #1 workhorse RB in all of football.

I can certainly rationalize taking DJ over him in PPR leagues this year or Gurley in either format just because they're both younger and have so much upside but Peterson might be the safest player in FF
lets rank some QBs  
dep026 : 8/25/2016 9:17 pm : link
I am not throwing rodgers or newton out there due to the fact they will be gone within the first 5 picks in my draft.... so lets go with the next bunch. I have them ranked like this.

Roethlisberger
Brees
Luck
Wilson
Eli.
Take a look at his game log from last year  
jgambrosio : 8/25/2016 9:20 pm : link
way too inconsistent and shit the bed when it mattered most, at least for my team. He had a couple big games, but more games with 60 yards and no TDs. He had seven fumbles as well which hurt the 100 yard, no TD games.
RE: lets rank some QBs  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13086723 dep026 said:
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I am not throwing rodgers or newton out there due to the fact they will be gone within the first 5 picks in my draft.... so lets go with the next bunch. I have them ranked like this.

Roethlisberger
Brees
Luck
Wilson
Eli.


I'm not a huge SOS guy but I read Brees has the 4th hardest SOS of any QB you have listed (and really the hardest SOS of any QB being drafted).

I don't have a problem with those rankings, but everyone is all over Eli this year in my real drafts and mock drafts I have been in.

I'd love to have been able to get him.
RE: lets rank some QBs  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13086723 dep026 said:
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I am not throwing rodgers or newton out there due to the fact they will be gone within the first 5 picks in my draft.... so lets go with the next bunch. I have them ranked like this.

Roethlisberger
Brees
Luck
Wilson
Eli.


I'd put Wilson ahead of Luck
RE: Take a look at his game log from last year  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13086737 jgambrosio said:
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way too inconsistent and shit the bed when it mattered most, at least for my team. He had a couple big games, but more games with 60 yards and no TDs. He had seven fumbles as well which hurt the 100 yard, no TD games.


What RB's run for 100+ every single week? He had six 100 yard games and a 200 yard game! How much better than that can a RB be?

If there are runners in this league who were more consistently having bigger games than Peterson I'd love to know who they were.
There's also a 98 yard game in there.  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 9:34 pm : link
Week by week:

10 carries, 31 yards,
29 carries, 134 yards
20 carries, 126 yards, 2 TD
16 carries, 81 yards, 1 TD
26 carries, 60 yards
19 carries, 98 yards
20 carries, 103 yards
29 carries, 125 yards, 1 TD
26 carries, 203 yards, 1 TD
13 carries, 45 yards, 1 TD
29 carries, 158 yards, 2 TD
8 carries, 18 yards
23 carries, 69 yards, 1 TD
18 carries, 63 yards
22 carries, 104 yards, 1 TD
19 carries, 67 yards, 1 TD

I'd say he had about 3-4 "weak" games total. You're not going to find a RB who is more consistent than that.
Again, it also depends on when you needed him to perform.  
jgambrosio : 8/25/2016 9:48 pm : link
His worst weeks were to close out the fantasy season and the playoffs. Weeks 13-15 he totaled 150 yards, 1 TD and 1 fumble. In week 11 when he also had 45 yards, he had a lost fumble.

Trust me, I know he compiled stats, but he didn’t play like the #1 pick in fantasy. I had a good team last year - I had Brady, Olsen, AP, Jeffery, Cooper, Baldwin, Diggs, etc. He was one of the reasons I missed out on a top playoff seed and lost in the 3rd place game.
So you'd avoid drafting a player..  
arcarsenal : 8/25/2016 9:58 pm : link
...because he had a couple poor weeks that coincided with your playoff weeks? All that is is random chance. Todd Gurley had bad weeks down the stretch too. Are you avoiding him?

And Peterson had 104 yards and a TD in Week 15 which was a playoff week for almost any fantasy league.

Not really sure what your strategy is.. only draft players who were good during weeks 14-16 and hold a grudge/avoid them if they weren't?
The guy picking 2nd in my league  
giantsfan44ab : 8/25/2016 10:13 pm : link
Has ruled out AP also because he was "dissapointed" with his season last year. Beats me. But from the original "non expansion" teams in our league (original 8) I'm pretty sure he's the only one who has never made the finals. So take that for what it's worth.
Hurley was also a rookie coming off of a severe injury coming into the  
jgambrosio : 8/25/2016 10:19 pm : link
league.

Peterson is a 31 year old running back who rushed for 350 times last year including the playoffs, 15th in YPC and led the league in fumbles with a 2nd year QB who now has a decent WR corps.

I don’t like Peterson this year, and yes, last year left a bad taste in my mouth.
RE: Hurley was also a rookie coming off of a severe injury coming into the  
giantsfan44ab : 8/25/2016 10:45 pm : link
In comment 13086834 jgambrosio said:
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league.

Peterson is a 31 year old running back who rushed for 350 times last year including the playoffs, 15th in YPC and led the league in fumbles with a 2nd year QB who now has a decent WR corps.

I don’t like Peterson this year, and yes, last year left a bad taste in my mouth.


Lol for what reason? He finished 2nd or 3rd among RBs in standard. I don't know what "bad taste" he left. I was pointing out the traditionally worst player in my FF league was feeling as irrationally as you about AP.

All I'm seeing for the Vikings is still a run first oriented offense with a more efficient passing game, which means more scoring opportunities. Outside Gurley the Rams have the worst offense in the NFL. He's a beast but nothing beats the track record as AP. AP has finished top 3 every year he's been healthy. AP isn't exactly the type of player who would just fall off a map one year. I think he would retire before he put up an even mediocre season.
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arcarsenal : 8/26/2016 9:03 am : link
I'd love to be in a league with people who avoid stud players because they didn't perform in the FF playoffs the year before.

Again, show me the RB's who played a full slate of games last year and were more consistent than Peterson was.

I'll save you the time... there weren't any.
Avoiding AP?  
Keith : 8/26/2016 9:06 am : link
Dude was a beast last year.
Why would any FF manager care about YPC?  
Keith : 8/26/2016 9:07 am : link
The only thing you should care about is that he was the #2 overall fantasy RB last year behind only Freeman who was not an early pick. He is a bellcow back who will play 90% of their snaps and he's a freak of nature. That's all that matters.
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arcarsenal : 8/26/2016 9:09 am : link
7 TD's in the final 8 games of the season but somehow he "shit the bed". Weird logic.
agree to disagree then  
jgambrosio : 8/26/2016 9:10 am : link
I made the playoffs in both of my leagues last year and won the last league I was in before that, so it's not like I'm bad at fantasy football here.

Like I said, he had great games, but also some bad games. For my team, he helped me lose more games than win games. And he's also 31, even with a year off, the history of RBs over 30 is not spectacular.
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If AP had bad games, it had nothing to do with AP.  
Keith : 8/26/2016 9:14 am : link
The dude is an amazing RB and probably the best runner in the game. Your mental block on AP makes absolutely no sense at all.
All I insinuated was that I hate him at #6 and as the #1 pick last  
jgambrosio : 8/26/2016 9:22 am : link
year he wasn't what I had hoped.

If he's there at 19 when it snakes back around, I'll be more than happy to take him.
He fell to me at 6 last year  
Keith : 8/26/2016 10:13 am : link
and I took him. Carried my team to the finals.
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