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pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 12:39 pm
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A Florida judge has green-lighted Giants defensive end Jason Pierre-Paul’s invasion of privacy lawsuit against ESPN and its reporter Adam Schefter for posting his private medical records online to millions of readers.

The ruling by Miami Dade County Judge Marcia G. Cooke sets the stage for the state’s second high-profile legal battle in a year between a sports star and a media organization over privacy issues. Wrestler Hulk Hogan won a record-breaking $140 million victory over Gawker in March for publishing his sex video.....

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Good  
DennyInDenville : 8/25/2016 12:42 pm : link
Pay him up ESPN, feed the beast
That's going to be one expensive tweet for Schefter.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/25/2016 12:46 pm : link
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Good  
Vin R : 8/25/2016 12:46 pm : link
Fuck Schefter
He's got that coming.  
an_idol_mind : 8/25/2016 12:47 pm : link
There is no excuse for putting somebody's confidential medical information online like that.
I wonder if they'll settle  
mattlawson : 8/25/2016 12:47 pm : link
could work out well for the Giants if JPP makes a shit ton off this - maybe he'll stay for a hometown discount
Vin R  
Trainmaster : 8/25/2016 12:48 pm : link
+1
fuck ESPN  
EricJ : 8/25/2016 12:49 pm : link
they suck. Like I mentioned in a post last week. ESPN is to sports what MTV is to real music.
RE: fuck ESPN  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/25/2016 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13086048 EricJ said:
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they suck. Like I mentioned in a post last week. ESPN is to sports what MTV is to real music.


What is real music?
RE: I wonder if they'll settle  
Joeguido : 8/25/2016 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13086042 mattlawson said:
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could work out well for the Giants if JPP makes a shit ton off this - maybe he'll stay for a hometown discount


I was thinking the same thing....wouldn't that be great.
The thing I don't get  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/25/2016 12:51 pm : link
is why JPP isn't suing the hospital (or maybe he is). I think his HIPPA rights were violated, but not by ESPN. Is ESPN bound by HIPPA regulations?
should be interesting  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/25/2016 12:53 pm : link
if Schefter obtained it lawfully, then "newsworthiness" is a legal defense to publishing it. If he obtained it unlawfully, that is a separate tort.

From what I remembered, I thought the bigger suit was that the chart had medical information about a different patient who was not in the public sphere.
Awesome news  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/25/2016 12:54 pm : link
but I agree with Clams
JPP has already settled up with the Hospital.  
Kurtt : 8/25/2016 12:56 pm : link
They didn't want a court case.
also, 1 thing  
I Love Clams Casino : 8/25/2016 1:00 pm : link
that I forgot was a civil case versus criminal....civil cases don't determine whether a law was broken, but whether someone is at fault......given that, it's probably a slam dunk for JPP. If the suit takes place in a state where damages in a civil suit aren't quantified, then I think JPP wins, but he may only win for about $1,000,000 or so...
RE: Good  
Klaatu : 8/25/2016 1:01 pm : link
In comment 13086038 Vin R said:
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Fuck Schefter


Ditto. I can't stand that little bastard.
RE: The thing I don't get  
Mad Mike : 8/25/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13086053 I Love Clams Casino said:
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is why JPP isn't suing the hospital (or maybe he is). I think his HIPPA rights were violated, but not by ESPN. Is ESPN bound by HIPPA regulations?

There was a settlement with the hospital.

ESPN is not bound by HIPAA.
RE: should be interesting  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13086059 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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if Schefter obtained it lawfully, then "newsworthiness" is a legal defense to publishing it. If he obtained it unlawfully, that is a separate tort.

From what I remembered, I thought the bigger suit was that the chart had medical information about a different patient who was not in the public sphere.


How could Schefter obtain them legally? Isn't it like receiving stolen property.

in the gawker case didn't gawker receive the Hulk Hogan sex tape legally and they still lost on the newsworthy angle.
PJ  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/25/2016 1:08 pm : link
right. The Gawker sex tape turned on newsworthiness, which was rightfully decided to be not newsworthy.

How could Schefter obtain them legally? Someone in the hospital takes the files and then decides to give them to Schefter/ESPN. So long as Schefter didn't direct the hospital worker to take the records, he obtained them lawfully. The hospital worker obtained them unlawfully.

The question, like the Hogan sextape, or the Donald Sterling audio, turns on whether what Schefter/ESPN published is newsworthy or whether it was an unlawful public disclosure of private facts.
It would be sweet justice if JPP used the money  
CT Charlie : 8/25/2016 1:11 pm : link
from the settlement with the hospital to fund the legal fees for the best possible representation against ESPN. I'm still shocked that someone at the hospital would give up (or sell) the photos in the first place. I'm wondering who paid whom, and how much, in that transaction.
PaulBlake  
Rocky369 : 8/25/2016 1:14 pm : link
I'm wondering if the counter to that is receiving stolen goods? It's a stretch, but I hope it works out in his favor.
Shouldn't matter how Schefter  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2016 1:23 pm : link
obtained them, it's wasn't given to him by JPP and I suspect that's all that matters. Not a legal expert but it seems his claim is pretty cut and dry.

I hope this royally fucks ESPN and that rodent Schefter. Such gross negligence posting that information when a seasoned figure like him should know better.
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13086099 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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right. The Gawker sex tape turned on newsworthiness, which was rightfully decided to be not newsworthy.

How could Schefter obtain them legally? Someone in the hospital takes the files and then decides to give them to Schefter/ESPN. So long as Schefter didn't direct the hospital worker to take the records, he obtained them lawfully. The hospital worker obtained them unlawfully.

The question, like the Hogan sextape, or the Donald Sterling audio, turns on whether what Schefter/ESPN published is newsworthy or whether it was an unlawful public disclosure of private facts.


I'll take your word for it because I'm out of my element on legal matters. It seems though if you receive private, confidential, or protected information (even if you technically obtain it legally) you can't decide to make it public for any reason even if it's newsworthy.

Not to get political so this is just an example but, if someone at the IRS steals Donald Trump's tax returns and gives them to Adam Schefter can Adam publish them without consequence because they're newsworthy? I'd hope not.

You mean  
PaulN : 8/25/2016 1:29 pm : link
The Boston Red Sox/New England Patriot Network, the same one that released the steroid allegations making certain that Arod was exposed but hiding the fact that fat ass Papi was a steroid taker.

Anyone that watches or holds anything that ESPN or the NFL network as anything but slanted information is really clueless.
I just went to do my will today  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2016 1:30 pm : link
my lawyer said HIPPA compliance can crush a doctor who breaks it, so much so that even when a spouse wants information, if they don't know you already they may not talk to you for lack of proof on your own identity.

I'd need way more facts but I have a hard time seeing JPP not win this. Medical records are incredibly private.
Is this true??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/25/2016 1:31 pm : link
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How could Schefter obtain them legally? Someone in the hospital takes the files and then decides to give them to Schefter/ESPN. So long as Schefter didn't direct the hospital worker to take the records, he obtained them lawfully.


I think if you take a gift or accept something from somebody else, you are still bound by the legality of it, right?

If somebody hands me $10,000 from a bank robbery and I'm caught with it, I think I have some culpability in the eyes of the law. Maybe not, but that seems unlikely.

I think once Schefter released the information, he became culpable because whether or not he obtained it fairly, it was still restricted information. I think the law standard is if it is reasonable to believe the information or item is yours to use.

A different example - if somebody gives me a fake ID, even if I didn't request it, I may not be in trouble just by accepting it. But if I try to use it, I am liable.
RE: That's going to be one expensive tweet for Schefter.  
dpinzow : 8/25/2016 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13086037 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Yup, it's a pretty clear-cut case of HIPAA privacy violations and JPP's gonna get paid by both ESPN and the Giants
Really what's at issue is what records are protected  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/25/2016 1:34 pm : link
under the Privacy Laws. Medical records are strictly protected. They cannot be released without the patient's consent. I'm dealing with clients these days who can't even get their children's medical records released to them under these laws, when their children haven't signed proper releases . Allegedly what happened here is that ESPN knowingly participated in the releasing medical records covered under Privacy Law without the patient's consent.

Also at issue is the freedom of the press - to report their findings. These two issues are in the crosshairs with each other.

Essentially the Judge agreed today that the public's right to know does not include records covered under the Privacy Laws. I also think that's a wining legal argument.
Schefter/ESPN or another sports news outlet  
dpinzow : 8/25/2016 1:35 pm : link
are allowed to discuss the surgery but they are not allowed to see JPP's actual medical chart without his consent
SMH at some of the statements on here  
bhill410 : 8/25/2016 1:47 pm : link
the most egregious being civil cases arent judged on whether a law was broken. Out of curiosity what do you think is the basis for most civil cases? Feelings?
According to NJ.com  
SwirlingEddie : 8/25/2016 2:00 pm : link
ESPN is not bound by HIPAA privacy requirements the way the hospital is. The HIPAA rules apply to those health care providers and their agents who receive and collect the information from the patient. As in the Pentagon Papers case, once the media receives it, even if information is leaked to them by someone obtaining the info illegally, the press has a fundamental right to publish.

Now, if the info turns out to be libelous and cannot be defended as newsworthy, then the publisher may be vulnerable to a civil claim for the libel, but the health care nature of the info does not give it any special status.

In fact, I would argue that because JPP is a football player whose health is important to his public performance, and that general player health is required to be reported weekly by teams, JPP's medical condition was certainly newsworthy and thus not subject to any libel claim.

But I'm not an attorney, so this is just educated opinion (and the opinion of SI apparently).
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I think you could argue his medical charts are not public domain  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/25/2016 2:36 pm : link
just because he's an athlete.

It's much too specific, personal data. The only people who could have a right to know that much are his agent and his employer.
RE: According to NJ.com  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/25/2016 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13086222 SwirlingEddie said:
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In fact, I would argue that because JPP is a football player whose health is important to his public performance, and that general player health is required to be reported weekly by teams, JPP's medical condition was certainly newsworthy and thus not subject to any libel claim.


Eddy -- I think SI has a biased interest here in protecting a reporter's first amendment rights - their logic does not follow, however

in this case the Judge ruled{quote] that Jason properly stated an invasion-of-privacy claim against ESPN and Adam Schefter[/quote]

Plaintiffs have argued not that ESPN Schefter had no right to report on JPPs medical condition -- but that they crossed the privacy line in publishing the medical records -- also in this case it is alleged that Schefter colluded with the Hospital worker to commit the crime -- that is tortious behavior -- paying the hospital worker to violate the Patient's Privacy rights

I think this is a little thornier than SI is portraying it.
RE: According to NJ.com  
Mad Mike : 8/25/2016 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13086222 SwirlingEddie said:
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Now, if the info turns out to be libelous and cannot be defended as newsworthy, then the publisher may be vulnerable to a civil claim for the libel, but the health care nature of the info does not give it any special status.

There is no issue of libel here. Libel would be publishing false information - there has been no suggestion that Schefter posted a forged medical record, or anything false. It is purely a question of whether the record was newsworthy enough to warrant publication, or if it's a violation of JPP's privacy. (There may also be a question of if Schefter did anything illegal to get the record in the first place).
Or,  
Doomster : 8/25/2016 2:47 pm : link
I wonder if they'll settle
mattlawson : 12:47 pm : link : reply
could work out well for the Giants if JPP makes a shit ton off this - maybe he'll stay for a hometown discount


he just might retire....
It was pretty ubelievable  
NoPeanutz : 8/25/2016 2:50 pm : link
that Shefter posted the actual document... and didn't just quote "sources." How the hell did they think this was going to play out?

I guess that's what happens when every time you quote "sources" already has an alternate meaning, that you're just stealing from other networks.
RE: Is this true??  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/25/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13086144 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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How could Schefter obtain them legally? Someone in the hospital takes the files and then decides to give them to Schefter/ESPN. So long as Schefter didn't direct the hospital worker to take the records, he obtained them lawfully.



I think if you take a gift or accept something from somebody else, you are still bound by the legality of it, right?

If somebody hands me $10,000 from a bank robbery and I'm caught with it, I think I have some culpability in the eyes of the law. Maybe not, but that seems unlikely.

I think once Schefter released the information, he became culpable because whether or not he obtained it fairly, it was still restricted information. I think the law standard is if it is reasonable to believe the information or item is yours to use.

A different example - if somebody gives me a fake ID, even if I didn't request it, I may not be in trouble just by accepting it. But if I try to use it, I am liable.


I believe possessing stolen medical records would be a crime
I hope he gets an award  
Montreal Man : 8/25/2016 2:59 pm : link
that's over the cap.
RE: RE: According to NJ.com  
SwirlingEddie : 8/25/2016 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13086329 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 13086222 SwirlingEddie said:


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Now, if the info turns out to be libelous and cannot be defended as newsworthy, then the publisher may be vulnerable to a civil claim for the libel, but the health care nature of the info does not give it any special status.


There is no issue of libel here. Libel would be publishing false information - there has been no suggestion that Schefter posted a forged medical record, or anything false. It is purely a question of whether the record was newsworthy enough to warrant publication, or if it's a violation of JPP's privacy. (There may also be a question of if Schefter did anything illegal to get the record in the first place).


If it can be shown that Schefter/ESPN participated or colluded in the HIPAA violation then that could certainly change circumstances.

Absent that, my understanding of the situation remains that for newsworthy information about a public figure, the right of the press to publish trumps any right to privacy of the individual involved.
I don't see how that's possible  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2016 3:16 pm : link
If he had pics of JPPs hand that's one thing, but actual medical records is entirely different. Don't see how it being newsworthy can even be proved, massive stretch when discussing private medical records.

Not sure what makes Schefter any different than a doctor posting his patients medical records, because one works for the media? I don't buy it.
I believe HIPPAA  
WideRight : 8/25/2016 3:18 pm : link
protects a patients medical records from any entity that does not have consent to release them. That would include Schefter and obviate that Hogan analogy
RE: Is this true??  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/25/2016 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13086144 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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How could Schefter obtain them legally? Someone in the hospital takes the files and then decides to give them to Schefter/ESPN. So long as Schefter didn't direct the hospital worker to take the records, he obtained them lawfully.



I think if you take a gift or accept something from somebody else, you are still bound by the legality of it, right?

If somebody hands me $10,000 from a bank robbery and I'm caught with it, I think I have some culpability in the eyes of the law. Maybe not, but that seems unlikely.

I think once Schefter released the information, he became culpable because whether or not he obtained it fairly, it was still restricted information. I think the law standard is if it is reasonable to believe the information or item is yours to use.

A different example - if somebody gives me a fake ID, even if I didn't request it, I may not be in trouble just by accepting it. But if I try to use it, I am liable.


FMIC, the analogy doesn't work because this isn't receipt of stolen property, but rather publishing private information that may have been obtained illegally.

This has to do with an almost unabridged freedom of the press. So long as they didn't participate or solicit the unlawful obtaining of the underlying material, they can print it. The other exceptions are military documents whose publication could cause grave danger, or private information that is not newsworthy.

Imagine a janitor at a bank found out that the bank was stealing its customers' money in a massive fraud scheme. If someone broke into the bank president's office and copied records proving that this scheme was going on, this person would be breaking the law.

However, if that person then took those records to the press, the press would be free to publish these records proving the massive fraud because the public has a right to know. The press would only be breaking the law if it helped or solicited the janitor to steal those records.

The issue when it comes to the ability of the press to publish private records, originally obtained legally or otherwise, is whether the private information is "newsworthy."
RE: I believe HIPPAA  
Mad Mike : 8/25/2016 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13086378 WideRight said:
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protects a patients medical records from any entity that does not have consent to release them. That would include Schefter and obviate that Hogan analogy

It wouldn't include Schefter. HIPAA applies to "covered entities", which includes health care providers, health plans, etc.... It wouldn't apply to Schefter or ESPN.
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ArcadeSlumlord : 8/25/2016 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13086350 SwirlingEddie said:
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In comment 13086329 Mad Mike said:


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In comment 13086222 SwirlingEddie said:


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Now, if the info turns out to be libelous and cannot be defended as newsworthy, then the publisher may be vulnerable to a civil claim for the libel, but the health care nature of the info does not give it any special status.


There is no issue of libel here. Libel would be publishing false information - there has been no suggestion that Schefter posted a forged medical record, or anything false. It is purely a question of whether the record was newsworthy enough to warrant publication, or if it's a violation of JPP's privacy. (There may also be a question of if Schefter did anything illegal to get the record in the first place).



If it can be shown that Schefter/ESPN participated or colluded in the HIPAA violation then that could certainly change circumstances.

Absent that, my understanding of the situation remains that for newsworthy information about a public figure, the right of the press to publish trumps any right to privacy of the individual involved.


you're wrong, but its ok.
RE: I don't see how that's possible  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/25/2016 3:43 pm : link
In comment 13086373 UConn4523 said:
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If he had pics of JPPs hand that's one thing, but actual medical records is entirely different. Don't see how it being newsworthy can even be proved, massive stretch when discussing private medical records.

Not sure what makes Schefter any different than a doctor posting his patients medical records, because one works for the media? I don't buy it.



Imagine someone found out that one of the Presidential nominees had Stage 4 cancer or had a serious case of dementia. If the press were handed those medical records, I think we could all agree that in the run-up to the election, that it would be newsworthy and that the public should know about it.

Now, JPP is not running for President and his health is nowhere near as important as a Presidential nominee's health. But he is a public figure, he is a public athlete whose health is very importantly related to his job and status as a public figure.

Now, does that mean that his private medical records should be considered newsworthy for the press to publish? I personally don't think so, but that is what would be decided in Court.

There is a massive difference between a doctor and Schefter. The doctor is bound by doctor-patient confidentiality and by HIPAA. Schefter is bound by neither of those things. He is the press which has great freedoms in what they can publish.
I get that  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2016 3:47 pm : link
but he's still dealing with documents that should be protected under HIPPA. The press shouldn't be protected when breaking the law and if it's proven that's what Schefter did to obtain the records I'd hope the court does what's right.

As for a presidential candidate, id say that's one of the few scenarios where I can understand it. But athletes don't run this country and are civilians, they are subject to the same laws that I am.
Paul..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/25/2016 3:49 pm : link
between yours and Eddie's responses, that is probably right. I have to admit that I don't know the legalities of it.

My only sticking point would be calling Schefter "press":)
What makes someone press anyway  
UConn4523 : 8/25/2016 3:52 pm : link
and when they start their careers they have carte blanche day 1 to basically do anything for a story? That can't be right.
RE: I get that  
Mad Mike : 8/25/2016 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13086423 UConn4523 said:
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but he's still dealing with documents that should be protected under HIPPA. The press shouldn't be protected when breaking the law and if it's proven that's what Schefter did to obtain the records I'd hope the court does what's right.

I think it's very unlikely there will be evidence which proves Schefter broke the law to get the medical record. A) I doubt Schefter is anywhere near that stupid (though I recognize that underestimating people's stupidity is a risky business), and b) if there was, the case would have been settled very fast.

One Point  
Samiam : 8/25/2016 3:55 pm : link
I haven't read every port here but I recall JPP, at that time, refusing to share his medical condition with the Giants,even to the point of not meeting with Ronnie Barnes when he flew to Miami to see what was going on. And, his reluctance to do this was more related to the contract negotiations than anything else. I understand nobody wants their personal information revealed publicly but what Schefter did was part of a player team dance that happens all the time. People want to crush ESPN but JPP has a part in this too starting with how the accident happened
UConn  
PaulBlakeTSU : 8/25/2016 3:56 pm : link
three things.

1) If Schefter obtained the records illegally, as in he broke the law to get them by paying a worker to steal them, or by stealing them himself, then that is a completely separate charge both criminally and for a civil suit. That is not what is being alleged here. The only thing that matters is whether it was newsworthy what Schefter published.

2) Medical records are only protected under HIPAA by those who are bound to HIPAA regulations. If an agent of the hospital gave those records to Schefter, that person would be in violation of HIPAA, but not Schefter. THe privacy element of HIPAA is to prevent covered entities (e.g. insurance companies, medical care providers) from disclosing the medical records they use.

3) JPP is not a President, but he's not like us. He is a public figure and they have a much different right to privacy than we have. Now, his private medical records will likely be deemed by the Court to not be newsworthy and therefore a violation of his privacy. But that is the debate going on.
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