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pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 8:21 pm
as they showed the starting lineups and position players for each of the two teams they had their PFF position rank below the names.

LOL. I know some of you are going to hate that. and to be clear I'm not endorsing it, just sharing it.

I think it's because it's an NBC broadcast.  
GiantGolfer : 8/25/2016 8:30 pm : link
NBC is partnered up with PFF because of Collinsworth.
Fantasy Football  
B in ALB : 8/25/2016 8:32 pm : link
is ruining the game. Just awful.
how is Collinsworth related to PFF?  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 8:34 pm : link
In either case when I saw the graphic you couldn't see the "PFF Position Ranking" on my TV so I wondered what the numbers meant.

and when I saw the imaged blown up I was surprised.
Good fantasy football players  
Cruzin : 8/25/2016 8:38 pm : link

in deeper leagues ( especially ones that include individual defensive prayers) do more research and know more about the players in the entire league than anyone else on this site.

That's a fact.

Oh wait, you've forgotten more about what I had for breakfast than anyone will ever know about football or some stupid shit like that, I forgot.
RE: how is Collinsworth related to PFF?  
The_Boss : 8/25/2016 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13086651 pjcas18 said:
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In either case when I saw the graphic you couldn't see the "PFF Position Ranking" on my TV so I wondered what the numbers meant.

and when I saw the imaged blown up I was surprised.


He owns part of pff
RE: Fantasy Football  
David in LA : 8/25/2016 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13086650 B in ALB said:
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is ruining the game. Just awful.


The metrics PFF uses has very little to do with Fantasy Football.
RE: Fantasy Football  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/25/2016 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13086650 B in ALB said:
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is ruining the game. Just awful.


It's ruining coverage of the NFL.
RE: RE: Fantasy Football  
B in ALB : 8/25/2016 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13086673 AP in Halfmoon said:
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is ruining the game. Just awful.



It's ruining coverage of the NFL.


Exactly.
RE: Fantasy Football  
PeterinAtlanta : 8/25/2016 8:55 pm : link
In comment 13086650 B in ALB said:
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is ruining the game. Just awful.
Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.
I don't disagree with the hardliners  
Cruzin : 8/25/2016 9:01 pm : link

nothing I would love to see more than a dominant running game and defense as relevant again for the Jints

But

Life goes on, you either find something else to do on Sundays or adapt. Fantasy turns out to be a nice hobby for those that have time to invest.
RE: RE: Fantasy Football  
pjcas18 : 8/25/2016 9:05 pm : link
In comment 13086680 PeterinAtlanta said:
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is ruining the game. Just awful.

Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.


Most fantasy football players are former dungeons and dragons players?

I'm in two fantasy football leagues, one is my hockey team and the other is a group of friends who all player sports their entire lives and many still do.

I don't think even one of the 22 people across both leagues every played dungeons and dragons and it's such a silly view.

the bulk of fantasy football players are football fans first and foremost, gamblers secondary - especially with the daily contests, and a fringe group of maybe non-fans that get roped into doing a league at work.

in my opinion and experience.
RE: I don't disagree with the hardliners  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/25/2016 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13086695 Cruzin said:
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nothing I would love to see more than a dominant running game and defense as relevant again for the Jints

But

Life goes on, you either find something else to do on Sundays or adapt. Fantasy turns out to be a nice hobby for those that have time to invest.


FF doesn't impact me except I miss the times when the pregame shows were about football. Even NFL on Sirius is focused on FF during pregame. Updates are about fantasy scores first and the actual game second.
RE: RE: Fantasy Football  
Jints in Carolina : 8/25/2016 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13086680 PeterinAtlanta said:
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is ruining the game. Just awful.

Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.


I love me some D&D.
Same here ....  
Bluesbreaker : 8/25/2016 9:22 pm : link
Too much time and annoying screen graphics at some point
in time will completely cover the television screen .
Not knocking the people who play it but its watering
down the damn game ...
RE: RE: Fantasy Football  
j_rud : 8/25/2016 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13086680 PeterinAtlanta said:
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is ruining the game. Just awful.

Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.


I was a jock. And I loved D&D . And I hate fantasy football. Generalizations are fun!
RE: Good fantasy football players  
BMac : 8/25/2016 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13086657 Cruzin said:
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in deeper leagues ( especially ones that include individual defensive prayers) do more research and know more about the players in the entire league than anyone else on this site.

That's a fact.

Oh wait, you've forgotten more about what I had for breakfast than anyone will ever know about football or some stupid shit like that, I forgot.


Nothing like those protein shakes for breakfast, right Rocky?
Ultra Met  
Cruzin : 8/25/2016 10:35 pm : link

42 grams of protein, 26 essential vitamins and minerals.

Vanilla with strawberries, raspberries and blueberries, I got 3 fruits in before most people are awake. Carbs to burn until egg whites 3 hours later.

But B knew that already...
RE: Ultra Met  
Kulish29 : 8/25/2016 10:39 pm : link
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42 grams of protein, 26 essential vitamins and minerals.

Vanilla with strawberries, raspberries and blueberries, I got 3 fruits in before most people are awake. Carbs to burn until egg whites 3 hours later.

But B knew that already...


You're a joke. Nobody cares what you have to say.
Kulish  
Cruzin : 8/25/2016 10:45 pm : link
I've noticed your recovery has not been going all that well. Your mom's gonna be pissed she wasted all her money on your rehab.

Remember, call your sponsor before you start drinking. BBI s rooting for you son, you can do it...
RE: Kulish  
Kulish29 : 8/25/2016 10:49 pm : link
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I've noticed your recovery has not been going all that well. Your mom's gonna be pissed she wasted all her money on your rehab.

Remember, call your sponsor before you start drinking. BBI s rooting for you son, you can do it...


Lmao. God you are just one patheitc individual.

Have you stopped beating your wife and your son yet?
RE: RE: Kulish  
Kulish29 : 8/25/2016 10:51 pm : link
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I've noticed your recovery has not been going all that well. Your mom's gonna be pissed she wasted all her money on your rehab.

Remember, call your sponsor before you start drinking. BBI s rooting for you son, you can do it...



Lmao. God you are just one patheitc individual.

Have you stopped beating your wife and your son yet?


Oh, and when's the cross burning?
Hook, line and sinker  
Cruzin : 8/25/2016 10:53 pm : link

Say goodnight Gracie

Goodnight Gracie...
RE: Hook, line and sinker  
Kulish29 : 8/25/2016 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13086886 Cruzin said:
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Say goodnight Gracie

Goodnight Gracie...


Typical response from a typical small, sad, pathetic, bigoted, little old man.

You can't answer so, you consider yourself the winner and just stop commenting. Again, small, sad and pathetic. Get help grandpa. And stop beating your wife.
Is Dungy going to be  
B in ALB : 8/25/2016 11:05 pm : link
part of these nbc broadcasts all year?
Is that even a ff ranking  
KWALL2 : 8/26/2016 12:57 am : link
I would have laughed out loud to see that on TV. Is that going to be regular stat now?
RE: Good fantasy football players  
santacruzom : 8/26/2016 2:38 am : link
In comment 13086657 Cruzin said:
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in deeper leagues ( especially ones that include individual defensive prayers) do more research and know more about the players in the entire league than anyone else on this site.

That's a fact.



Is it a noteworthy accomplishment to know about more individual players than average fans?
Well, it is a football discussion board  
Cruzin : 8/26/2016 7:45 am : link

Do you find it beneficial to know less about individual players throughout the league?
RE: Is that even a ff ranking  
pjcas18 : 8/26/2016 8:33 am : link
In comment 13086936 KWALL2 said:
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I would have laughed out loud to see that on TV. Is that going to be regular stat now?


No, nothing to do with fantasy football.

PFF is supposed to be a pseudo analytics site. they used to have really good and interesting snap count data. I used to subscribe to their site. After a game, within 24 hours I'd see exactly who played, how many snaps, what type of play (run, pass) and what their role was (coverage, rush passer, run defender, etc.), how many passes thrown at them in coverage, etc.

it was very interesting.

One small additional piece they had was a rating, how they at PFF judged every player on the field, on every single play.

0 is neutral - had no bearing on the play
-1 was something bad
+1 was something good

etc.

and those play grades accumulated into a player rating and people began comparing them to other players and on their site you could see all the players ranked in order of their accumulated PFF rating.

It became a controversial part of their site, because of the subjectivity in assessing responsibility and impact to the play.

Anyway, those player rankings at their position are what is displayed in the OP graphic.

I was surprised since they are so controversial and I didn't know Collinsworth was an investor/owner at PFF.
The more exposure it gets, hopefully the more people will  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/26/2016 9:00 am : link
start to understand how it works before ripping into it.
RE: RE: RE: Fantasy Football  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 8/26/2016 11:28 am : link
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is ruining the game. Just awful.

Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.



Most fantasy football players are former dungeons and dragons players?

I'm in two fantasy football leagues, one is my hockey team and the other is a group of friends who all player sports their entire lives and many still do.

I don't think even one of the 22 people across both leagues every played dungeons and dragons and it's such a silly view.

the bulk of fantasy football players are football fans first and foremost, gamblers secondary - especially with the daily contests, and a fringe group of maybe non-fans that get roped into doing a league at work.

in my opinion and experience.


Hmmm....I had taken the comment to mean that the jocks who made fun of the nerds had now become the nerds themselves. Drawing parallels between representing a human being (or elf or dwarf or whatever) into a quantifiable mass of numbers as compares players not necessarily by their actual abilities, but by the numbers we use to quantify their performance.

You guys are probably correct in the intended interpretation, but there's something poetic about this interpretation. Stupid nerd jocks!

PS - D&D, Fantasy Football, being a jock...all fantastic.
RE: Fantasy Football  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/26/2016 11:31 am : link
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is ruining the game. Just awful.


The worst I've seen was actually in hockey. MSG pre-game show (I forget which of the 3 local teams).

In a segment that would typically be a "players to watch" type of thing, it was instead a Draft Kings ad, showing which players in MSG's opinion had the best value. Apparently each player is worth a price tag in that type of Fantasy League. So it showed the 3 players' price tags and encouraged fans participating to buy them.

Just awful.
RE: RE: Hook, line and sinker  
Stan in LA : 8/26/2016 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13086894 Kulish29 said:
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Say goodnight Gracie

Goodnight Gracie...



Typical response from a typical small, sad, pathetic, bigoted, little old man.

You can't answer so, you consider yourself the winner and just stop commenting. Again, small, sad and pathetic. Get help grandpa. And stop beating your wife.


LOL...
RE: RE: RE: Fantasy Football  
PeterinAtlanta : 8/26/2016 1:34 pm : link
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is ruining the game. Just awful.

Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.



Most fantasy football players are former dungeons and dragons players?

I'm in two fantasy football leagues, one is my hockey team and the other is a group of friends who all player sports their entire lives and many still do.

I don't think even one of the 22 people across both leagues every played dungeons and dragons and it's such a silly view.

the bulk of fantasy football players are football fans first and foremost, gamblers secondary - especially with the daily contests, and a fringe group of maybe non-fans that get roped into doing a league at work.

in my opinion and experience.


I'm not saying that D&D players grew into Fantasy football players. I'm saying the guys that hated the D&D players grew into them as Fantasy Football players.
RE: Good fantasy football players  
njm : 8/26/2016 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13086657 Cruzin said:
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in deeper leagues ( especially ones that include individual defensive prayers) do more research and know more about the players in the entire league than anyone else on this site.

That's a fact.


But their analysis is based on a prediction of the stats they will run up rather than the actual talent of the player. So the use of these numbers when broadcasting a game is actually deceptive unless it's put in context, which they did not do.

RE: RE: Good fantasy football players  
Metnut : 8/26/2016 1:48 pm : link
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But their analysis is based on a prediction of the stats they will run up rather than the actual talent of the player. So the use of these numbers when broadcasting a game is actually deceptive unless it's put in context, which they did not do.


NFL broadcasts have been showing yards and TDs well before fantasy football got big.
RE: RE: RE: Fantasy Football  
Chris in Philly : 8/26/2016 1:50 pm : link
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is ruining the game. Just awful.

Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.



I love me some D&D.


This calls for a BBI D&D campaign. Let's make this happen people.
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pjcas18 : 8/26/2016 1:52 pm : link
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is ruining the game. Just awful.

Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.



Most fantasy football players are former dungeons and dragons players?

I'm in two fantasy football leagues, one is my hockey team and the other is a group of friends who all player sports their entire lives and many still do.

I don't think even one of the 22 people across both leagues every played dungeons and dragons and it's such a silly view.

the bulk of fantasy football players are football fans first and foremost, gamblers secondary - especially with the daily contests, and a fringe group of maybe non-fans that get roped into doing a league at work.

in my opinion and experience.



I'm not saying that D&D players grew into Fantasy football players. I'm saying the guys that hated the D&D players grew into them as Fantasy Football players.


I see, maybe closer to the truth, but not in my case. People playing D&D never bothered me and people playing fantasy football before I started never bothered me.

and I definitely never hated or ridiculed them for it.
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njm : 8/26/2016 2:01 pm : link
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But their analysis is based on a prediction of the stats they will run up rather than the actual talent of the player. So the use of these numbers when broadcasting a game is actually deceptive unless it's put in context, which they did not do.




NFL broadcasts have been showing yards and TDs well before fantasy football got big.


But they never rated the players.
RE: RE: Is that even a ff ranking  
BigBlueinChicago : 8/26/2016 2:06 pm : link
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I was surprised since they are so controversial and I didn't know Collinsworth was an investor/owner at PFF.


It's actually pretty interesting of a story how Collinsworth found them and then partnered up and purchased a stake in the company.

I think MMQB's Jenny Vrentas (former Giants beat writer) did the lengthy story before the Super Bowl two years ago.
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Cap'n Bluebeard : 8/26/2016 2:56 pm : link
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is ruining the game. Just awful.

Remember how the jocks made fun of the Dungeons and Dragons kids? Guess what they've become.



I love me some D&D.



This calls for a BBI D&D campaign. Let's make this happen people.


Dibs on playing the rogue!
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Metnut : 8/26/2016 3:30 pm : link
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But their analysis is based on a prediction of the stats they will run up rather than the actual talent of the player. So the use of these numbers when broadcasting a game is actually deceptive unless it's put in context, which they did not do.




NFL broadcasts have been showing yards and TDs well before fantasy football got big.



But they never rated the players.


My understanding is that PFF's ratings have nothing to do with fantasy football. The rating isn't a prediction of stats but is instead an evaluation of performance. It's actually a step away from using stats relied on in computing fantasy scores (yards, TDs, etc.).
RE: Fantasy Football  
giantgiantfan : 8/26/2016 6:23 pm : link
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is ruining the game. Just awful.


How?
Can't wait to compare all of the fantasy football teams  
RC02XX : 8/26/2016 6:39 pm : link
That people will be drafting in the next few weeks.
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