to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
over policing? get real these thugs with records and guns are just choir boys.
no mention of the assasinations of cops. this country has turned into jerry biszzro world
Part of the "jerry biszzro world" is the over militarization of police. A contributing factor. Ignoring that or pretending it doesn't exist makes you guilty of the very thing you're complaining about.
quote "I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,"
Dear Colin, can you clarify that comment if you can?
And complains about violence? It's a weak protes, against police? Here's a guy who gets police escorts and protection all the time. If you want to make a statement get out on the streets and do something. That's using you fame as an American athlete for positive change. Use your sizable bank account to make a difference. Perhaps he does but I never hear him talk about it. Instead he cashed in on his cultivated (fake?) Anti establishment image, tv at helps a lot of kids.
to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
LMAO! Not easy? I beg to differ. It's ridiculously easy! There's no risk involved, and there will be no repercussions at all. If you think Kap did something brave, think again.
to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
LMAO! Not easy? I beg to differ. It's ridiculously easy! There's no risk involved, and there will be no repercussions at all. If you think Kap did something brave, think again.
He is fighting for his job, and might have cost himself endorsement dollars, and might find his next payday to be considerably less. He seems to be accepting these consequences, so how is that not brave?
The first thing I thought of was ... injury related?
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The OP might want to reference why the post was put up in the first place. Guarantee you most folks don't know what this refers to.
You are 100% right.
Although I vaguely remember another celebrity type person (not sure if he was an athlete though - must have been) who made a statement saying he would not stand during the playing of the National Anthem because of this country's attitude or policies(?) towards minorities (He didn't use the term "minorities" but, he also didn't use racist terms either). I can't remember the guy's name or team though.
to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
LMAO! Not easy? I beg to differ. It's ridiculously easy! There's no risk involved, and there will be no repercussions at all. If you think Kap did something brave, think again.
He is fighting for his job, and might have cost himself endorsement dollars, and might find his next payday to be considerably less. He seems to be accepting these consequences, so how is that not brave?
He's not going to lose his job because he didn't stand for the national anthem. He'll lose his job because he isn't a better QB than Blaine Gabbert. Politics won't mean squat if an athlete can perform, and endorsements will always be available from companies that share his worldview.
What Richard Sherman said took guts. Not so with Kap.
SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has willingly immersed himself into controversy by refusing to stand for the playing of the national anthem in protest of what he deems are wrongdoings against African Americans and minorities in the United States.
His latest refusal to stand for the anthem -- he has done this in at least one other preseason game -- came before the 49ers' preseason loss to Green Bay at Levi's Stadium on Friday night.
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.
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Dammit - it was Kaepernick and now I remember being surprised (a little) that it came from him.
The two guys who gave the black power salute at the 1968 Olympics were villified at the time. Now they are making movies about them. And Kaepernick just refused to stand. He did not give a salute. Seems to me that an act of omission is way less provocative than an act of commission.
I am disappointed, though, that he did not demand an end to Polish jokes.
to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
over policing? get real these thugs with records and guns are just choir boys.
no mention of the assasinations of cops. this country has turned into jerry biszzro world
to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
over policing? get real these thugs with records and guns are just choir boys.
no mention of the assasinations of cops. this country has turned into jerry biszzro world
Part of the "jerry biszzro world" is the over militarization of police. A contributing factor. Ignoring that or pretending it doesn't exist makes you guilty of the very thing you're complaining about.
Explain the over-militarization of police.
haha. I'm not sure why anyone would bother having a discussion about law enforcement with you. There are plenty of areticles that have well documented what is meant by police militarization. Mentality, weapons supplied by the military, increased swat team use. But why bother speak to you about it? You have no nuance, ever. You are all take and no give.
And complains about violence? It's a weak protes, against police? Here's a guy who gets police escorts and protection all the time. If you want to make a statement get out on the streets and do something. That's using you fame as an American athlete for positive change. Use your sizable bank account to make a difference. Perhaps he does but I never hear him talk about it. Instead he cashed in on his cultivated (fake?) Anti establishment image, tv at helps a lot of kids.
to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
LMAO! Not easy? I beg to differ. It's ridiculously easy! There's no risk involved, and there will be no repercussions at all. If you think Kap did something brave, think again.
He is fighting for his job, and might have cost himself endorsement dollars, and might find his next payday to be considerably less. He seems to be accepting these consequences, so how is that not brave?
He's not going to lose his job because he didn't stand for the national anthem. He'll lose his job because he isn't a better QB than Blaine Gabbert. Politics won't mean squat if an athlete can perform, and endorsements will always be available from companies that share his worldview.
What Richard Sherman said took guts. Not so with Kap.
If he loses his job, this incident will also affect his next payday or if he finds employment in the league. That on top of POTENTIALLY losing endorsements would be catastrophic for him long term financially. Stop acting like he loses nothing in this instance.
And complains about violence? It's a weak protes, against police? Here's a guy who gets police escorts and protection all the time. If you want to make a statement get out on the streets and do something. That's using you fame as an American athlete for positive change. Use your sizable bank account to make a difference. Perhaps he does but I never hear him talk about it. Instead he cashed in on his cultivated (fake?) Anti establishment image, tv at helps a lot of kids.
how does he cultivate a gang look? Tattoos? Wtf
Wait, I thought we established on BBI that tattoos equates to mental illness.
Talent means everything. He could urinate on the flag, burn it, cut it up, put it in a blender with ice and milk and drink a smoothie made out of it, but if he was a top-notch QB he would always find work, and he would always find financial support. It doesn't take any intestinal fortitude to see a popular meme and simply go with the flow.
can't handle focusing on getting on the field, while simultaneously standing up for the 2 minute national anthem and voicing an opinion that is actually un-popular these days. Or at worst controversial.
one thing has zero to do with the other.
Kaeperick had been sidelined for a while, I didn't hear anyone suggesting instead of sitting during the National Anthem he should focus on getting on the field.
You mean like the social worker who was shot trying to calm down his autistic patient?
Get a bus ticket. The Canadian border is close.
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE MY COUNTRY! (casually ignores the fact that this country was stolen from natives)
I think you should set an example and give your piece of stolen property back to the rightful owners.
Yes. Let's everyone in the entire world move back to Central Asia or East Africa. So what if it's crowded.
At least we won't be living in someone else's country.
We'll be killing each other for breathing room, but we'll be POLITICALLY CORRECT!
is self serving while making a statement (which is currently en vogue) about a sub -population pf about 10% of that 300 million is selfless or altruistic?
Explain that one.
More interested in hearing you explain the term "sub-population"
has free speech as does Pugh. No difference between the two.....except
Pugh's statement although pointed to Kapernick is about as popular a statement as you could make...which is what makes this fascinating. It actually shows the real moral of this story which is Kapernick is a douche.
Pugh, like many well-meaning Americans, is confused. Â
"Thank you to ALL that put your lives on the line for that flag." Nobody goes to war to fight for a flag. They go to war to protect their family, their neighbors, and their fellow citizens. If Kaepernick's family were threatened, he would fight. This idea of fighting for a flag goes back to the Revolutionary War when colonists were asked whether they would march for the Union Jack or for the Stars and Stripes. It's past time we gave up this adoration for a flag and concentrated on working for what's good for the American people.
RE: Pugh, like many well-meaning Americans, is confused. Â
"Thank you to ALL that put your lives on the line for that flag." Nobody goes to war to fight for a flag. They go to war to protect their family, their neighbors, and their fellow citizens. If Kaepernick's family were threatened, he would fight. This idea of fighting for a flag goes back to the Revolutionary War when colonists were asked whether they would march for the Union Jack or for the Stars and Stripes. It's past time we gave up this adoration for a flag and concentrated on working for what's good for the American people.
"This idea of fighting for a flag goes back to the Revolutionary War when colonists were asked whether they would march for the Union Jack or for the Stars and Stripes"
I know a lot of active duty military and even more retired military that actually find gestures like this respectful and appreciate them.
For Pugh and Kaepernick, they'll ultimately be judged on the football field, I don't see how their actions change that other than perhaps fan perception, and I'm going to guess for most fans it didn't sway much.
Eh...I like Pugh and I don't agree with the way Kaepernick went about his protest, but it sort of is self-serving and wholly unnecessary to tweet what Pugh tweeted. I actually find it a bit pandering, to be honest.
I know a lot of active duty military and even more retired military that actually find gestures like this respectful and appreciate them.
For Pugh and Kaepernick, they'll ultimately be judged on the football field, I don't see how their actions change that other than perhaps fan perception, and I'm going to guess for most fans it didn't sway much.
Eh...I like Pugh and I don't agree with the way Kaepernick went about his protest, but it sort of is self-serving and wholly unnecessary to tweet what Pugh tweeted. I actually find it a bit pandering, to be honest.
You're projecting. or guessing at Pugh's intentions. I view them as pure.
When Jason Witten designed the logo for the Cowboys to put on their helmet (that the NFL rejected) was that pandering or self-serving because he wanted to express himself?
If Pugh is self-serving, Kaepernick is as well.
I don't think either are, I believe both intended to communicate support for a cause or group they personally support. Nothing more, nothing less.
Eh...you're entitled to your own opinion as am I... Â
But up until now he didn't feel the need to state that he was going to do this even if he always did it. So now he has to stand up for something? Maybe it's pure and maybe it's not. But it was wholly unnecessary and seem just as lame as Kaepernick's own way of protesting.
RE: Eh...you're entitled to your own opinion as am I... Â
But up until now he didn't feel the need to state that he was going to do this even if he always did it. So now he has to stand up for something? Maybe it's pure and maybe it's not. But it was wholly unnecessary and seem just as lame as Kaepernick's own way of protesting.
absolutely. and I never mean to come off like my opinion is any better than anyone else's. though I think everyone obviously thinks that. I do respect other opinions and I think dialog and communication on things like this are the only way to make progress.
RE: Pugh, like many well-meaning Americans, is confused. Â
"Thank you to ALL that put your lives on the line for that flag." Nobody goes to war to fight for a flag. They go to war to protect their family, their neighbors, and their fellow citizens. If Kaepernick's family were threatened, he would fight. This idea of fighting for a flag goes back to the Revolutionary War when colonists were asked whether they would march for the Union Jack or for the Stars and Stripes. It's past time we gave up this adoration for a flag and concentrated on working for what's good for the American people.
The flag is a SYMBOL! People fight for what symbols stand for all the time.
It does when you come out and say you are purposely not standing in protest of something. It simply draws attention to you.
Maybe, I don't see a sufficient basis in either action to question their character, but if that is your call, have at it.
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to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
over policing? get real these thugs with records and guns are just choir boys.
no mention of the assasinations of cops. this country has turned into jerry biszzro world
Part of the "jerry biszzro world" is the over militarization of police. A contributing factor. Ignoring that or pretending it doesn't exist makes you guilty of the very thing you're complaining about.
Explain the over-militarization of police.
Dear Colin, can you clarify that comment if you can?
LMAO! Not easy? I beg to differ. It's ridiculously easy! There's no risk involved, and there will be no repercussions at all. If you think Kap did something brave, think again.
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to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
LMAO! Not easy? I beg to differ. It's ridiculously easy! There's no risk involved, and there will be no repercussions at all. If you think Kap did something brave, think again.
He is fighting for his job, and might have cost himself endorsement dollars, and might find his next payday to be considerably less. He seems to be accepting these consequences, so how is that not brave?
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The first thing I thought of was ... injury related?
; ).
The OP might want to reference why the post was put up in the first place. Guarantee you most folks don't know what this refers to.
You are 100% right.
Although I vaguely remember another celebrity type person (not sure if he was an athlete though - must have been) who made a statement saying he would not stand during the playing of the National Anthem because of this country's attitude or policies(?) towards minorities (He didn't use the term "minorities" but, he also didn't use racist terms either). I can't remember the guy's name or team though.
I'll see what GOOGLE has to offer.
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to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
LMAO! Not easy? I beg to differ. It's ridiculously easy! There's no risk involved, and there will be no repercussions at all. If you think Kap did something brave, think again.
He is fighting for his job, and might have cost himself endorsement dollars, and might find his next payday to be considerably less. He seems to be accepting these consequences, so how is that not brave?
He's not going to lose his job because he didn't stand for the national anthem. He'll lose his job because he isn't a better QB than Blaine Gabbert. Politics won't mean squat if an athlete can perform, and endorsements will always be available from companies that share his worldview.
What Richard Sherman said took guts. Not so with Kap.
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SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick has willingly immersed himself into controversy by refusing to stand for the playing of the national anthem in protest of what he deems are wrongdoings against African Americans and minorities in the United States.
His latest refusal to stand for the anthem -- he has done this in at least one other preseason game -- came before the 49ers' preseason loss to Green Bay at Levi's Stadium on Friday night.
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color," Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game. "To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.
Link - ( New Window )
Dammit - it was Kaepernick and now I remember being surprised (a little) that it came from him.
The two guys who gave the black power salute at the 1968 Olympics were villified at the time. Now they are making movies about them. And Kaepernick just refused to stand. He did not give a salute. Seems to me that an act of omission is way less provocative than an act of commission.
I am disappointed, though, that he did not demand an end to Polish jokes.
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to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
over policing? get real these thugs with records and guns are just choir boys.
no mention of the assasinations of cops. this country has turned into jerry biszzro world
Fact: You won't find one NFL white player who will refuse to stand for the anthem or take a stand and condemn these police killings.
If I am wrong, someone point out said player to me.
Get a bus ticket. The Canadian border is close.
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to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
over policing? get real these thugs with records and guns are just choir boys.
no mention of the assasinations of cops. this country has turned into jerry biszzro world
Part of the "jerry biszzro world" is the over militarization of police. A contributing factor. Ignoring that or pretending it doesn't exist makes you guilty of the very thing you're complaining about.
Explain the over-militarization of police.
Well in his defense he was trying to shoot the autistic person and missed. (Only in Florida)
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You mean like the social worker who was shot trying to calm down his autistic patient?
Get a bus ticket. The Canadian border is close.
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to take a stand like Colin Kaepernick is doing. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets some death threats over it. I don't find Pugh's backlash against it admirable in the least. This isn't a question of respecting the flag, or the country, or the troops, it's a matter of taking a stand against over-policing that is inflicting too great a toll, especially against people of color.
LMAO! Not easy? I beg to differ. It's ridiculously easy! There's no risk involved, and there will be no repercussions at all. If you think Kap did something brave, think again.
He is fighting for his job, and might have cost himself endorsement dollars, and might find his next payday to be considerably less. He seems to be accepting these consequences, so how is that not brave?
He's not going to lose his job because he didn't stand for the national anthem. He'll lose his job because he isn't a better QB than Blaine Gabbert. Politics won't mean squat if an athlete can perform, and endorsements will always be available from companies that share his worldview.
What Richard Sherman said took guts. Not so with Kap.
If he loses his job, this incident will also affect his next payday or if he finds employment in the league. That on top of POTENTIALLY losing endorsements would be catastrophic for him long term financially. Stop acting like he loses nothing in this instance.
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You mean like the social worker who was shot trying to calm down his autistic patient?
Get a bus ticket. The Canadian border is close.
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE MY COUNTRY! (casually ignores the fact that this country was stolen from natives)
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And complains about violence? It's a weak protes, against police? Here's a guy who gets police escorts and protection all the time. If you want to make a statement get out on the streets and do something. That's using you fame as an American athlete for positive change. Use your sizable bank account to make a difference. Perhaps he does but I never hear him talk about it. Instead he cashed in on his cultivated (fake?) Anti establishment image, tv at helps a lot of kids.
how does he cultivate a gang look? Tattoos? Wtf
Wait, I thought we established on BBI that tattoos equates to mental illness.
I should have anticipated this, but just saw Pugh's tweet, thought it was cool to have someone say what he did, and I posted it.
My apologies.
I rotely stood for the #NationalAnthem all my life..post 9/11 & Giants@Chiefs, I never took it for granted again!
God bless America 🇺🇸
— Tiki Barber (@TikiBarber) August 27, 2016
one thing has zero to do with the other.
Kaeperick had been sidelined for a while, I didn't hear anyone suggesting instead of sitting during the National Anthem he should focus on getting on the field.
What opinion is unpopular these days?
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You mean like the social worker who was shot trying to calm down his autistic patient?
Get a bus ticket. The Canadian border is close.
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE MY COUNTRY! (casually ignores the fact that this country was stolen from natives)
I think you should set an example and give your piece of stolen property back to the rightful owners.
Too fucking funny.
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You mean like the social worker who was shot trying to calm down his autistic patient?
Get a bus ticket. The Canadian border is close.
IF YOU DONT LIKE IT LEAVE MY COUNTRY! (casually ignores the fact that this country was stolen from natives)
I think you should set an example and give your piece of stolen property back to the rightful owners.
Yes. Let's everyone in the entire world move back to Central Asia or East Africa. So what if it's crowded.
At least we won't be living in someone else's country.
We'll be killing each other for breathing room, but we'll be POLITICALLY CORRECT!
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is self serving while making a statement (which is currently en vogue) about a sub -population pf about 10% of that 300 million is selfless or altruistic?
Explain that one.
More interested in hearing you explain the term "sub-population"
how did you interpret it?
Pugh's statement although pointed to Kapernick is about as popular a statement as you could make...which is what makes this fascinating. It actually shows the real moral of this story which is Kapernick is a douche.
You couldn't be more wrong.
Is not applying the same logic equally
For Pugh and Kaepernick, they'll ultimately be judged on the football field, I don't see how their actions change that other than perhaps fan perception, and I'm going to guess for most fans it didn't sway much.
Eh...I like Pugh and I don't agree with the way Kaepernick went about his protest, but it sort of is self-serving and wholly unnecessary to tweet what Pugh tweeted. I actually find it a bit pandering, to be honest.
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I know a lot of active duty military and even more retired military that actually find gestures like this respectful and appreciate them.
For Pugh and Kaepernick, they'll ultimately be judged on the football field, I don't see how their actions change that other than perhaps fan perception, and I'm going to guess for most fans it didn't sway much.
Eh...I like Pugh and I don't agree with the way Kaepernick went about his protest, but it sort of is self-serving and wholly unnecessary to tweet what Pugh tweeted. I actually find it a bit pandering, to be honest.
You're projecting. or guessing at Pugh's intentions. I view them as pure.
When Jason Witten designed the logo for the Cowboys to put on their helmet (that the NFL rejected) was that pandering or self-serving because he wanted to express himself?
If Pugh is self-serving, Kaepernick is as well.
I don't think either are, I believe both intended to communicate support for a cause or group they personally support. Nothing more, nothing less.
absolutely. and I never mean to come off like my opinion is any better than anyone else's. though I think everyone obviously thinks that. I do respect other opinions and I think dialog and communication on things like this are the only way to make progress.
The flag is a SYMBOL! People fight for what symbols stand for all the time.