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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/27/2016 10:55 pm
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It's just preseason  
The_Boss : 8/27/2016 10:56 pm : link
No need to be concerned.....OL will be fine.
More questions than answers from this game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/27/2016 10:57 pm : link
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ooof  
Patrick : 8/27/2016 10:59 pm : link
ugly
WE GOT THE SNOOPY!  
Mason : 8/27/2016 10:59 pm : link
Fuck yeah!

USA! USA!
Well, the offense blew chunks  
Anakim : 8/27/2016 10:59 pm : link
We need help and lots of it (a starting OT and a starting RG to start, plus a shitload of depth. Also, a backup QB who doesn't pretend like he's Randy Johnson would be nice too)
Starting OL  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/27/2016 11:01 pm : link
is the story of the game. Forget the win. Great concern.
Even in 2013 Eli did not look this bad  
WillieYoung : 8/27/2016 11:02 pm : link
I'm speechless
Everybody on defense were nearly great  
Mason : 8/27/2016 11:03 pm : link
King and Adams were it on offense. That's all I got from this game.

Are OBJ and Shepard even alive?

I guess Cruz can run without collapsing. I don't know what that is suppose to mean or how that even translate to a roster spot but okay.

Yeah... good job D
Can't imagine  
bceagle05 : 8/27/2016 11:04 pm : link
they'd shake up the OL now. Hold onto your nuts McNally, we're going to war with Jerry and Newhouse again.
RE: More questions than answers from this game  
The_Boss : 8/27/2016 11:04 pm : link
In comment 13090446 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Par for the course for this group over the last 5 years. The OL getting manhandled was something I mentioned all week and it came to fruition. My guess is, from Mara down to the kid to collects the used jocks in the locker room after games, everyone associated with the NYG are very worried about that unit and how it can, potentially, submarine the playoff aspirations of what otherwise is a very solid team.
the weird part is after last year and going into the preseason  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/27/2016 11:04 pm : link
I was concerned about the defense. Not the offense.

Now it is totally reversed for me.... Its preseason.
RE: Everybody on defense were nearly great  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/27/2016 11:04 pm : link
In comment 13090475 Mason said:
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Are OBJ and Shepard even alive?

I guess Cruz can run without collapsing. I don't know what that is suppose to mean or how that even translate to a roster spot but okay.



You can't evaluate WRs or expect them to make plays when the QB is running for his life.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/27/2016 11:04 pm : link
the only thing I'd caution everyone about is that the Jets have an amazing defensive line... this was not a good game to be without Justin Pugh.
Some positives:  
Anakim : 8/27/2016 11:04 pm : link
Olivier Vernon
Eli Apple
Romeo Okwara
Jerell Adams (both on offense and on special teams)
Kerry Wynn
Andrew Adams
Paul Perkins (from the little we saw)
Tavares King
Meaningless worry  
LeonofKiev : 8/27/2016 11:05 pm : link
over a meaningless game.

We know nothing until week 1.
Good game for the D  
trueblueinpw : 8/27/2016 11:05 pm : link
Obviously we're all worried about the O line. Hey, do the Giants TEs practice blocking? Ever?

But it was nice to see some Big Blue defense! Also, great to see VC on the field. Love me some Victah Cruz!
RE: WE GOT THE SNOOPY!  
Del Shofner : 8/27/2016 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13090461 Mason said:
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Fuck yeah!

USA! USA!


lol
Some  
AcidTest : 8/27/2016 11:07 pm : link
thoughts:

Adams, King, Lewis, and Okwara likely made the team. The TEs will probably be Tye, Donnell, and Adams. LaCosse to the PS. Maybe Malleck as well. Saw Donnell whiff on at least one block. Everybody in the league will attack his blocking.

No push in the run game. I know it's preseason, and Pugh is out, but I'd like to see more. The depth on the OL is also lacking.

Nassib is the backup. He sprayed balls, and needs better touch. But he has arm strength, and mobility. He's the backup.

Safety is an interesting decision. I wonder if they put M. Thompson on IR for another year. I like the little we've seen from A. Adams, but it's probably PS for him.
RE: ...  
AcidTest : 8/27/2016 11:07 pm : link
In comment 13090482 Eric from BBI said:
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the only thing I'd caution everyone about is that the Jets have an amazing defensive line... this was not a good game to be without Justin Pugh.


Wilkerson might as well have been wearing one of our jerseys.
love the potential  
George from PA : 8/27/2016 11:08 pm : link
Scared and disgusted by lack of depth and talent on the OL....

just sick that we had the chance to sign several LTs....I know I will get a bunch of you jump on me.....but this is squarely on Reese.

....  
yankees78 : 8/27/2016 11:08 pm : link
That was as enjoyable as a root canal.
RE: ...  
The_Boss : 8/27/2016 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13090482 Eric from BBI said:
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the only thing I'd caution everyone about is that the Jets have an amazing defensive line... this was not a good game to be without Justin Pugh.


Would Pugh really have made THAT much of a difference tho? He, too, routinely gets obliterated against top DL. Put on any Eagle game he's played in as exhibit A.
RE: RE: Everybody on defense were nearly great  
Mason : 8/27/2016 11:10 pm : link
In comment 13090481 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Are OBJ and Shepard even alive?

I guess Cruz can run without collapsing. I don't know what that is suppose to mean or how that even translate to a roster spot but okay.





You can't evaluate WRs or expect them to make plays when the QB is running for his life.


So how does Cruz earn a roster spot even he has been absent for most of training camp and had one short yard reception? I learned nothing from Cruz tonight about whether he is real option on this team going forward. Lewis and King look like they deserve a spot on the roster.

Adams looked like the best blocking TE and actual best option at getting real YAC for a TE on this roster and he got the least amount of reps.

I don't know what to say about the OL.

For all the hate Williams get, please evaluate Jennings play this preseason and compare the two.
RE: love the potential  
The_Boss : 8/27/2016 11:11 pm : link
In comment 13090493 George from PA said:
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Scared and disgusted by lack of depth and talent on the OL....

just sick that we had the chance to sign several LTs....I know I will get a bunch of you jump on me.....but this is squarely on Reese.


Reese should get excoriated for not upgrading the OL.
RE: ...  
barens : 8/27/2016 11:12 pm : link
In comment 13090482 Eric from BBI said:
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the only thing I'd caution everyone about is that the Jets have an amazing defensive line... this was not a good game to be without Justin Pugh.


They do have an excellent offensive line, but what was the excuse last week against mostly backups for Bufallo?
I'm less optimistic than many about our line.  
Crispino : 8/27/2016 11:12 pm : link
They got killed, in almost every man to man matchup, on pretty much every play. I'm seriously worried about Eli's well being behind this line when he's going to probably have to throw it 40-50 times per game.
The_Boss  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/27/2016 11:12 pm : link
Would Pugh made a difference?

Yes.
barens  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/27/2016 11:13 pm : link
Pugh didn't play against Buffalo. And the blocking breakdowns against Buffalo were spread out (tight ends being an issue - see my game review).
RE: RE: RE: Everybody on defense were nearly great  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/27/2016 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13090498 Mason said:
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Are OBJ and Shepard even alive?

I guess Cruz can run without collapsing. I don't know what that is suppose to mean or how that even translate to a roster spot but okay.





You can't evaluate WRs or expect them to make plays when the QB is running for his life.



So how does Cruz earn a roster spot even he has been absent for most of training camp and had one short yard reception? I learned nothing from Cruz tonight about whether he is real option on this team going forward. Lewis and King look like they deserve a spot on the roster.

Adams looked like the best blocking TE and actual best option at getting real YAC for a TE on this roster and he got the least amount of reps.

I don't know what to say about the OL.

For all the hate Williams get, please evaluate Jennings play this preseason and compare the two.


I don't know how they'll evaluate it. It's their mess to sort out. But that offense has been essentially non-functional for two appearances because of the blocking. WRs aren't given enough time to run routes. The one play Beckham might have had, if he caught that ball, the Jets Safety either concusses him, or separates his shoulder.

RE: I'm less optimistic than many about our line.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/27/2016 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13090501 Crispino said:
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They got killed, in almost every man to man matchup, on pretty much every play. I'm seriously worried about Eli's well being behind this line when he's going to probably have to throw it 40-50 times per game.


It's the same offensive line the Giants played with last year - plus Flowers is not playing with a high ankle sprain.
Nassib  
Thinblueline : 8/27/2016 11:14 pm : link
Needs to go.... He Just does not have it... We can't run the ball! Brad wing is a stud... T. King better make this roster, he's a baller...Osawa DE continues to impress... Did I say Nassib needs to go?
Brad Wing  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 8/27/2016 11:15 pm : link
had almost 500 yards (486) in punting yards. That's doing something you don't want to do really well.
39 rushing yards isn't going to cut it.......  
Simms11 : 8/27/2016 11:15 pm : link
Bad: starting Oline, TE run blocking - can't execute offense without it.
Good: starting D again was pretty good, OV sets the tone for that D....Collins good, Apple looked good, LBers played ok.....JT Thomas and Sheppard both looked decent, as well......interior Dline starters are solid and will also make a big difference, but we have to get teams off the field on 3rd down.
Average: Special Teams were up and down......

With that said I'm not worried about Eli, only the ability of the Oline to block for him.
RE: Nassib  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/27/2016 11:15 pm : link
In comment 13090508 Thinblueline said:
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Needs to go.... He Just does not have it... We can't run the ball! Brad wing is a stud... T. King better make this roster, he's a baller...Osawa DE continues to impress... Did I say Nassib needs to go?


Nassib is not going anywhere. That's a non-starter.
How to you evaluate the young offenssive RB and WR?  
Steve in South Jersey : 8/27/2016 11:16 pm : link
behind this pitiful OL?
RE: I'm less optimistic than many about our line.  
nygiants16 : 8/27/2016 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13090501 Crispino said:
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They got killed, in almost every man to man matchup, on pretty much every play. I'm seriously worried about Eli's well being behind this line when he's going to probably have to throw it 40-50 times per game.


he did it last year and threw for 4400 yards and 35 tds and 14ints..

why cant he do it last year and do you forget how terrible the offensive line was in 2011?
Tuesdays cut down to 75  
old man : 8/27/2016 11:17 pm : link
Will be to 65, looking for 10 OL cuts to sign.
RE: RE: RE: Everybody on defense were nearly great  
LeonofKiev : 8/27/2016 11:17 pm : link
In comment 13090498 Mason said:
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Are OBJ and Shepard even alive?

I guess Cruz can run without collapsing. I don't know what that is suppose to mean or how that even translate to a roster spot but okay.





You can't evaluate WRs or expect them to make plays when the QB is running for his life.



So how does Cruz earn a roster spot even he has been absent for most of training camp and had one short yard reception? I learned nothing from Cruz tonight about whether he is real option on this team going forward. Lewis and King look like they deserve a spot on the roster.

Adams looked like the best blocking TE and actual best option at getting real YAC for a TE on this roster and he got the least amount of reps.

I don't know what to say about the OL.

For all the hate Williams get, please evaluate Jennings play this preseason and compare the two.



Jennings actually caught passes!
RE: Tuesdays cut down to 75  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/27/2016 11:18 pm : link
In comment 13090518 old man said:
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Will be to 65, looking for 10 OL cuts to sign.


Another stupid non-starter. The Giants are only going to carry nine offensive linemen. You think they are going to cut their starting five?

Some  
oldog : 8/27/2016 11:18 pm : link
rays of hope here.
RE: 39 rushing yards isn't going to cut it.......  
The_Boss : 8/27/2016 11:19 pm : link
In comment 13090510 Simms11 said:
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Bad: starting Oline, TE run blocking - can't execute offense without it.
Good: starting D again was pretty good, OV sets the tone for that D....Collins good, Apple looked good, LBers played ok.....JT Thomas and Sheppard both looked decent, as well......interior Dline starters are solid and will also make a big difference, but we have to get teams off the field on 3rd down.
Average: Special Teams were up and down......

With that said I'm not worried about Eli, only the ability of the Oline to block for him.


I'm more worried with Eli clearly not trusting his protection; resulting in shoddy footwork and inaccuracies in the short dump offs in particular.
I thought Eli Apple looked really good  
mofti : 8/27/2016 11:21 pm : link
Going up against decker. This guy is going to be a stud
Eric  
Thinblueline : 8/27/2016 11:24 pm : link
I know Nassibs not going anywhere but I think we have to realize this kid is not very good and there are better options out there... Every ball he throws is a rocket, doesn't throw with any "touch" if you will....
one thing this defense is going to be able to do  
nygiants16 : 8/27/2016 11:25 pm : link
is blitz and play man to man in the secondary...

spags can be very creative with his blitzes because they right now have 4 good corners
Question,couldn't watch the game  
mushroom : 8/27/2016 11:26 pm : link
But the game thread seem to indicate that the play calling was run heavy. If that was true it seems that the plan was to work on the run game. Not necessarily a bad plan to work on a problem area in the preseason. Would have been nice to see a little success!
RE: Question,couldn't watch the game  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/27/2016 11:27 pm : link
In comment 13090535 mushroom said:
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But the game thread seem to indicate that the play calling was run heavy. If that was true it seems that the plan was to work on the run game. Not necessarily a bad plan to work on a problem area in the preseason. Would have been nice to see a little success!


That does seem to have been the mission, but I don't think much was fixed or accomplished.
RE: I thought Eli Apple looked really good  
Mason : 8/27/2016 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13090525 mofti said:
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Going up against decker. This guy is going to be a stud


Agreed and he was suppose to be the questionable draft pick. LOL, kudos to Sy. He did a great job on his entire breakdown. This kid can start opening day. Decker was absolutely frustrated with him.
Tavares King  
Paulie Walnuts : 8/27/2016 11:28 pm : link
must make this team
RE: Question,couldn't watch the game  
nygiants16 : 8/27/2016 11:30 pm : link
In comment 13090535 mushroom said:
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But the game thread seem to indicate that the play calling was run heavy. If that was true it seems that the plan was to work on the run game. Not necessarily a bad plan to work on a problem area in the preseason. Would have been nice to see a little success!


it almosted seemed like mcadoo had 15 plays on his call sheet and stuck to those 15 plays..

it was a lot of run run pass regardless of what the defense was showing..

people have to remember eli is not doing much audibling and changing the play in preaseason...

with a week of preperation and film work he will have more freedom and more understand of the defense he is playing against to make those changes...

that is the biggest thing in oreseason amd why people call it vanilla
RE: RE: RE: RE: Everybody on defense were nearly great  
shabu : 8/27/2016 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13090520 LeonofKiev said:
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Are OBJ and Shepard even alive?

I guess Cruz can run without collapsing. I don't know what that is suppose to mean or how that even translate to a roster spot but okay.





You can't evaluate WRs or expect them to make plays when the QB is running for his life.



So how does Cruz earn a roster spot even he has been absent for most of training camp and had one short yard reception? I learned nothing from Cruz tonight about whether he is real option on this team going forward. Lewis and King look like they deserve a spot on the roster.

Adams looked like the best blocking TE and actual best option at getting real YAC for a TE on this roster and he got the least amount of reps.

I don't know what to say about the OL.

For all the hate Williams get, please evaluate Jennings play this preseason and compare the two.




Jennings actually caught passes!


I think the giants certainly worked running backs to the outside, it seemed... maybe check downs because of bad pass protection tho.
RE: Tavares King  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/27/2016 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13090538 Paulie Walnuts said:
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must make this team


For getting a couple of late scores against 3rd teamers?
Learned a few things ...  
Bluesbreaker : 8/27/2016 11:32 pm : link
King I think got himself a roster spot he has done it
all camp and he is damn quick .
I'm probably in the minority here but I like Rainey
over Darqua .
I like what I saw in Sheppard MLB Okwara is a keeper
Wynn had a great game .
The Offensive line got tested and Failed sure Pugh wasn't there but talk about Zero Depth . It could foil the season
The WR's have not gotten enough work especially Cruz .
Was glad to see Davis back in there .
Not too bad on the injury front .
Bottom line is Eli is gonna get hurt if they don't get
some more help .
Jerrel Adams just needs time to develop we need to get
Will Johnson up to snuff I have seen enough of Tye ..
RE: RE: Tavares King  
Mason : 8/27/2016 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13090545 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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must make this team



For getting a couple of late scores against 3rd teamers?


Hasn't he actually had a great camp as well. Maybe there is something wrong with the depth chart.

The expectation bar for Cruz has been set so low. If he steps on a football field it is now a huge plus. I don't know man. This whole Cruz thing is weird. After not saying he was on scholarship it really looks like he is on scholarship.
I agree that Pugh makes a big difference,  
barens : 8/27/2016 11:36 pm : link
But he's had trouble staying healthy every year, and Hart has looked just awful. They are one injury away from being a bad offensive line to a horrendous offensive line.
I'm repeating the exact same thing I said after last week's game...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/27/2016 11:36 pm : link
they're not running their regular offense. It looks like they're working on things like multiple TE sets and jamming the run into the LOS come hell or high water.

During the Giants first 3 series, 7 of their 13 plays had 2 tight ends or a TE/FB combo. That is NOT the Giants offense of the past 2 seasons. What's worse is they ran the ball on half of the 6 plays with Odell, Cruz, and Sheppard on the field. I know the preseason is for "working on things", but my goodness... why can't they just run their regular stuff???????

Outside of Leon Hall, the 1st team defense was spectacular. Even on the TD, Jenkins had excellent coverage. But back to my first point... Leon Hall did not look good at all. Conversely, Eli Apple looked great. He's still holding, but at least they're subtle and not blatant and obvious. OV and Snacks were terrific. The LBs are still a work in progress.

If Orleans Darkwa's path to the 53 man roster is mostly based on special teams, I counted 3 special teams fuck-ups from him alone.
RE: RE: Tuesdays cut down to 75  
BleedBlue : 8/27/2016 11:43 pm : link
In comment 13090521 Eric from BBI said:
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Will be to 65, looking for 10 OL cuts to sign.



Another stupid non-starter. The Giants are only going to carry nine offensive linemen. You think they are going to cut their starting five?


Eric I think k he was joking saying the giants will cut extra to get down to 65 then sign 10 ol who were cut to try and find some depth/starters lol
Basically saying oline is our only major hole(I agree)
RE: I'm repeating the exact same thing I said after last week's game...  
Devon : 8/27/2016 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13090553 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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they're not running their regular offense. It looks like they're working on things like multiple TE sets and jamming the run into the LOS come hell or high water.

During the Giants first 3 series, 7 of their 13 plays had 2 tight ends or a TE/FB combo. That is NOT the Giants offense of the past 2 seasons. What's worse is they ran the ball on half of the 6 plays with Odell, Cruz, and Sheppard on the field. I know the preseason is for "working on things", but my goodness... why can't they just run their regular stuff???????


It's not the offense of the past two years, but TE/FB + TE/TE sets (until they had no other choice but to get away from them in games) were often a hallmark of the Gilbride offense, of which Sullivan came from and ran in his stint as OC in TB.

There were mixed reports in-game on who was calling plays tonight (I haven't checked the post-game comments) and it is only the pre-season, but this type of thing is something to keep an eye on, given how weird hiring him as OC in the first place was.
I said it all of last season  
SHO'NUFF : 8/27/2016 11:47 pm : link
either find an improvement over Jerry or Newhouse, or both, but whatever you do, don't stand pat on playing those two side-by-side. DISASTER!
I could care less about the win..  
prdave73 : 8/27/2016 11:48 pm : link
My only major concern is the offensive line. Even with Pugh this oline is not goid enough. The right side is still weak and Flowers needs to be more consistent. Lets just say the offensive line even plays as good as they did last year, that might not be good enough to get this team to he a playoff contender. They have a good chance this year in this division too. It just surprises me Reese has not done more for a position that is so key, probably the most important position? Smh..
Sorry for typos..  
prdave73 : 8/27/2016 11:50 pm : link
Phone typing.
On the drive that preceded King's second TD  
GeofromNJ : 8/27/2016 11:52 pm : link
both Lewis and Adams were victims of interferrence, but the refs saw it otherwise. I think if it had been a regular season game, it would have been called.
If this had been a real game,  
SB 42 and 46 and ? : 8/27/2016 11:53 pm : link
the Giants would not have wasted so many plays trying to find a running game. Eli would have been flinging the ball downfield.

Wonder if the team saved the phone numbers of Diehl and O'Hara. Not these two literally, but a couple of sturdy vets with a couple of years left in them.

Remember, we won Super Bowl 46 with David Diehl starting at left tackle. He was no Pro Bowl threat, but he was good enough.
RE: RE: Nassib  
GeofromNJ : 8/27/2016 11:57 pm : link
In comment 13090514 Eric from BBI said:
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Needs to go.... He Just does not have it... We can't run the ball! Brad wing is a stud... T. King better make this roster, he's a baller...Osawa DE continues to impress... Did I say Nassib needs to go?

Nassib is not going anywhere. That's a non-starter.
Nassib can't go because there is nobody else. He's it in terms of a backup.
Missed the game. Spent 2 hrs wrestling a  
Gmen703 : 8/27/2016 11:57 pm : link
52 lb cobia. How did Flowers look?
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/27/2016 11:59 pm : link
Dan Duggan ‏@DDuggan21 3m3 minutes ago

Third QB Logan Thomas, WR Myles White, WR Anthony Dable and CB Joe Powell dressed but did not play tonight.
RE: RE: Nassib  
Jim in Fairfax : 8/28/2016 12:07 am : link
In comment 13090514 Eric from BBI said:
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Needs to go.... He Just does not have it... We can't run the ball! Brad wing is a stud... T. King better make this roster, he's a baller...Osawa DE continues to impress... Did I say Nassib needs to go?



Nassib is not going anywhere. That's a non-starter.


Truth. And hopefully he remains that way!
I can't believe we traded up for Nassib.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/28/2016 12:08 am : link
Years later, and he's still what he is..
Thanks BleedBlue !  
old man : 8/28/2016 12:12 am : link
I WAS making the point that we need OL help, and that, as someone else mentioned, we might be able to get a vet with a year left in the tank that might still be a good run blocker.
If not that, at least someone who might be better than our OL #7, or 8-10.
Nassib's pass is that he actually looked halfway decent in  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 8/28/2016 12:12 am : link
a few of his regular season performances. If not for those, he would really be on the chopping block. The o-line stinks, but he's missing throws badly... short, long, wide-open guys.
RE: RE: Tavares King  
snumber6 : 8/28/2016 12:17 am : link
In comment 13090545 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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must make this team



For getting a couple of late scores against 3rd teamers?


That's reason to cut him ... if not for that this game would have been a total abortion ... winning the game takes away from reality ... cut him ...
he looked  
Paulie Walnuts : 8/28/2016 12:22 am : link
good everytime i saw him
Jeez..  
ThatLimerickGuy : 8/28/2016 12:27 am : link
Lots of bitches around here tonight.

Preseason objective 1.
Get out without MAJOR injuries

Preseason objective 2.
Don't show your hand to week 1 opponent.

Some of you guys gotta get your head out of your ass. The coaches use preseason to evaluate and teach. The OL is exactly the same as the one last year from the 8th ranked offense. Did they get shit tier? Yes they aren't great but what team has 5 all pros on the Line? And no...the Cowboys dont.
They look worse than last year, that's the problem.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/28/2016 12:41 am : link
Nobody's asking for them to be 5 all pros.

OBJ "business decision" on INT...  
GA5 : 8/28/2016 12:51 am : link
Alligator arms. Then gave up on play after INT, choosing to bend over and check out the guy who took him out of the play, instead of trying to chase down ball carrier.
RE: OBJ  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/28/2016 12:53 am : link
In comment 13090602 GA5 said:
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Alligator arms. Then gave up on play after INT, choosing to bend over and check out the guy who took him out of the play, instead of trying to chase down ball carrier.


The way that play was defended, that throw probably shouldn't have been made in the first place. They had a KO shot lined up.
What he said above^  
prdave73 : 8/28/2016 1:06 am : link
Nobody is asking for the Oline to be amazing and have studs all across the board, just good enough to be consistent. Was the Giants Oline amazing when they had Ohara, Seubert, Snee, and the rest of that group?? No, but they where good enough to get them into the playoffs and contend. That is key.
Collins and Bromley looked much improved  
Mason : 8/28/2016 1:45 am : link
I mean big time improvement from what I seen. Love the depth on the DL line. Like what I saw from Behre filling in for D. Thompson. Taylor and M. Thompson are making this team.

Okwara continues to impress along with Odi. Spags was able to rotate the 1st team and kept the pressure on Flitz. Nothing exotic either. Very nice showing.

After Apple though the drop off is huge at CB. I'm not sure if Hall is in football shape yet and he looked really concussed. I mean I don't know where I am right now stuff. I hope he goes next week because he needs some reps. I seen enough of Wade myself. If Hall can't go I rather have Jenkins at slot with DRC and Apple on the outside. I really thought Deayon was a possibility but his size is a real issue.
Agree  
Canton : 8/28/2016 3:51 am : link
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Agree  
Canton : 8/28/2016 3:51 am : link
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RE: Jeez..  
joe48 : 8/28/2016 5:31 am : link
In comment 13090595 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Lots of bitches around here tonight.

Preseason objective 1.
Get out without MAJOR injuries

Preseason objective 2.
Don't show your hand to week 1 opponent.

Some of you guys gotta get your head out of your ass. The coaches use
preseason to evaluate and teach. The OL is exactly the same as the one last year from the 8th ranked offense. Did they get shit tier? Yes they aren't great but what team has 5 all pros on the Line? And no...the Cowboys dont.
This team was never a top 10 offense. That stat is garbage. After watching the poor performances by our OL the past 3 years I do not see any improvement from this group. After watching 3 preseason games I have no confidence in OL ability to protect and run block.
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K-Gun? Pop-Gun : 8/28/2016 7:23 am : link
In comment 13090573 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan ‏@DDuggan21 3m3 minutes ago

Third QB Logan Thomas, WR Myles White, WR Anthony Dable and CB Joe Powell dressed but did not play tonight.


There's your starting lineup for game #4.
I know everyone is going crazy on the ofense  
Chris L. : 8/28/2016 7:43 am : link
but did you see the play calling? They were obviously trying to show nothing. Many, many runs on downs which would have been passes during a regular season game. No crossing routes. I think the only complex play they ran was the one deep shot they tried to get to Cruz. Don't get me wrong...I am pissed as hell at Reese for the state of this OL but you are going to see an entirely different game plan against Dallas. Have some faith.
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ZogZerg : 8/28/2016 7:56 am : link
In comment 13090680 K-Gun? Pop-Gun said:
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In comment 13090573 Eric from BBI said:


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Dan Duggan ‏@DDuggan21 3m3 minutes ago

Third QB Logan Thomas, WR Myles White, WR Anthony Dable and CB Joe Powell dressed but did not play tonight.



There's your starting lineup for game #4.



Nope, That's a list of people who will be cut this week. They won't make game 4. Although, I don't know about White being cut in the first cuts.
The Starting Defense is looking really good!  
ZogZerg : 8/28/2016 8:00 am : link
The only score against the starters was a turnover, perfect pass/catch to a guy well covered.

This is very encouraging.
RE: I know everyone is going crazy on the ofense  
snumber6 : 8/28/2016 8:46 am : link
In comment 13090689 Chris L. said:
[quote] but did you see the play calling? They were obviously trying to show nothing.

Of course ... and that'll be a huge advantage with a new Head Coach once the season starts as the opposition DC will have no idea much less our Offensive schemes but also tendencies ... but my problem is with the execution ...
Now maybe we are either taking the show nothing strategy to the extreme by deliberately running plays we are weak on ... like rather than work with the quickness and agility our OLine may have as an advantage ... run plays that work only when they outmuscle their opponent - a talent they don't really have ...
snumbers6  
Chris L. : 8/28/2016 8:51 am : link
Funny you say that because as I was watching the game I was thinking they look like they are running plays they struggled with during the week. I agree execution was poor and needs lots of improvement but if you look at the play selection it contributed heavily to long down and distance situations.
our runing game  
Dankbeerman : 8/28/2016 9:00 am : link
was painfully deliberate. You could see what was coming from you couch. Jets were overplaying the looks we were showing. Watch the reverse and see how well it worked. They jumped at everything.

A lot of vanilla play calling, lack of adjustment, or just poor coaching gets a chunk of blame for the run game.

also I dont know why people say Darkwa's special teams give him an edge. He was horrendous last night on specials.

JT Thomas showed good speed and movement can see the plus side to him. maybe he puts it together sometime.
I'm officially worried about the offense.  
arcarsenal : 8/28/2016 9:08 am : link
Preseason or not, the line looks woefully bad. We didn't have ONE run play that was well blocked. The protection for Eli was horrendous.

I didn't expect this line to ever be great but they were serviceable last year and I figured they might even be able to improve a bit and build on that.. right now, it looks like they took a giant step backwards.

It's a shame too because the defense looks so much better. But it would be our luck for the offense to suddenly go back to being completely non-competitive now that the defense looks ready to help us win football games.

If I'm McAdoo, I'd play the starters for a full quarter in the last preseason game. They need to build on something here. Going into Dallas with the offense looking like this is going to be pretty alarming.
Mentioned it in another thread  
mako J : 8/28/2016 9:47 am : link
But since then 33 just made another play.

33, 15, 72, 78 all flashed quite a bit.

Was good to see 55 moving well and leading his unit, as he should.

Count me in with those who are excited about this LBer group!

Not worried about the O.

Let's get to Dallas. No 1's vs NE.
RE: Question,couldn't watch the game  
PatersonPlank : 8/28/2016 10:01 am : link
In comment 13090535 mushroom said:
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But the game thread seem to indicate that the play calling was run heavy. If that was true it seems that the plan was to work on the run game. Not necessarily a bad plan to work on a problem area in the preseason. Would have been nice to see a little success!


I agree. Its preseason, its time to see what we can do going directly into the Jets (a good running D's strength). Its not a time to gameplan an offense to win. Obviously we showed we can't run into them when they know its coming. I doubt this is something we would do in the regular season. Its a judging event.
RE: Jeez..  
The_Boss : 8/28/2016 10:08 am : link
In comment 13090595 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Lots of bitches around here tonight.

Preseason objective 1.
Get out without MAJOR injuries

Preseason objective 2.
Don't show your hand to week 1 opponent.

Some of you guys gotta get your head out of your ass. The coaches use preseason to evaluate and teach. The OL is exactly the same as the one last year from the 8th ranked offense. Did they get shit tier? Yes they aren't great but what team has 5 all pros on the Line? And no...the Cowboys dont.


They can't even execute vanilla run plays and basic pass protection. A lot of us saw this coming a mile away. Right now, to be brutally honest, they look like the worst OL in football. Put on any NFL network replay this week. I can guarantee each and every other 31 NFL teams' OL look more competent than our guys.
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arcarsenal : 8/28/2016 10:15 am : link
Some of you guys keep blaming a vanilla gameplan or that we were obviously trying to establish the run and work on that part of the offense.. but that doesn't excuse the lack of fundamental football. Most of our guys are just getting worked up front. They're not executing basic blocks. The play is just sloppy and uncoordinated.

I'm not throwing up my arms and closing the book on the season before it starts but you'd like to see the offense have put together a little something. What we saw the last two weeks from the starters has been absolutely embarrassing. I've watched a lot of preaseason games around the league and haven't seen many offenses look as bad as ours.
Offense  
stretch234 : 8/28/2016 10:37 am : link
Just to compare. Last year preseason first 3 games

Eli 20-38-159 1 int

Running game 26 carries 83 YDS 1TD

Just as miserable.

Regular season started and they moved the ball and scored points.

The same thing will happen this year
So I'm sitting here watching the replay on NFLN  
PatersonPlank : 8/28/2016 10:38 am : link
and the two big OL blowups so far have been due to 1)Darkwa not even blocking the guy who sacked Eli, and 2)Our backup TE wiffed on Wilkerson and he blew up the play.

I'm sure there are ones I missed, but the point here is there is more involved than just bashing the 5 OL players.
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nygiants16 : 8/28/2016 10:39 am : link
In comment 13090832 arcarsenal said:
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Some of you guys keep blaming a vanilla gameplan or that we were obviously trying to establish the run and work on that part of the offense.. but that doesn't excuse the lack of fundamental football. Most of our guys are just getting worked up front. They're not executing basic blocks. The play is just sloppy and uncoordinated.

I'm not throwing up my arms and closing the book on the season before it starts but you'd like to see the offense have put together a little something. What we saw the last two weeks from the starters has been absolutely embarrassing. I've watched a lot of preaseason games around the league and haven't seen many offenses look as bad as ours.


but with vanilla play calling comes vanilla pass pritections and run blocking..

eli never adjusted a play, they basically just ran what was called in the huddle withiut any regard for what the defense was showing..

you think in the regular season they are running back to back draw plays on 2nd and 3rd down?

3rd and 7 and they are running a screen, i doubt they do that in the regular season..

most drives started run run pass...

i get the well ol should look better regardless of play calling, but when there is zero protection schemes and adjustments are limited and no gameplanning the ol is at a disadvantage
Agree - the only thing this shows is that in a vanilla to vanilla  
PatersonPlank : 8/28/2016 10:40 am : link
matchup our OL is not as good as the Jets DL. I expect that. However during the season game planning will account for this.
and if you want to know why the defense looks better  
nygiants16 : 8/28/2016 10:45 am : link
it is because when a defense run vanilla it is basically man to man across thr board, there is not a lot of exotic coverages...

how many times did the linebacker go out wide to cover the running back or tight end, that shows it was man to man a lot...

the giants have talent in the secondary and are grtting pressure with 4 man rush that is why they have looked good
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arcarsenal : 8/28/2016 10:47 am : link
Cmon, guys... I don't think our starters even ran one play on their side of the 50. Other teams are running vanilla offenses as well.. they're still managing to put a few points up and have a couple of solid drives here and there. Our offense looked abysmal.

Yes, it will get better.. it won't be this bad all year. But there was absolutely nothing reassuring about the offense this preseason. One solid drive in 3 games.
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nygiants16 : 8/28/2016 10:59 am : link
In comment 13090882 arcarsenal said:
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Cmon, guys... I don't think our starters even ran one play on their side of the 50. Other teams are running vanilla offenses as well.. they're still managing to put a few points up and have a couple of solid drives here and there. Our offense looked abysmal.

Yes, it will get better.. it won't be this bad all year. But there was absolutely nothing reassuring about the offense this preseason. One solid drive in 3 games.


colts put up 3 points yesterday against the eagles and that is because the colts intercepted bradford and set them up...

the jets yesterday only scored a td because their defense had an interception...

offense has been bad for a lot of teams in the preseason...

defense is easier to play without gameplanning than offense is...
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