Starting O Line ha's not regressed.

rewind plays, this was my conclusion too. A lot of the bad plays (not all), were not the responsibility of the 5 OL players, but instead TE's and RB's missing blocks on blitzes.

No difference from last season when Newhouse was terrible. He was terrible last night too.

The starters will come together. The lack of even one reliable backup is a problem.

We need another Boothe.

In comment 13091204 PatersonPlank said:

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rewind plays, this was my conclusion too. A lot of the bad plays (not all), were not the responsibility of the 5 OL players, but instead TE's and RB's missing blocks on blitzes.

I thought the Oline was getting pushed back pretty hard also... did that not show up in review ?

He wasn't playing last night, so that is an issue. Hart got some burn, which should help him come along.

If we can get Bobby Hart playing better than Newhouse, we have a chance at an above average OL.

Didn't zone in on Flowers' pass set, but he didn't seem to be a liability.

We are a right guard or right tackle away from being good. The lack of depth is a real issue. I would expect we add someone via Cuts or trade. We need an extra player.

Anyone check out Stingly?

Simple as that. I watched the game twice. They looked worse the second time. The Jets are big, mean, fast strong and ugly along their D-front. No question. But the Giants have to compete. They can be much better than this. Same group last season mostly played better down the stretch. Throw out the Minnesota game. Solari better get his head out of his ass and start coaching. They catch a break opening at the Death Star and catching the Cowboys' defense severely depleted.

In comment 13091237 RetroJint said:

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Simple as that. I watched the game twice. They looked worse the second time. The Jets are big, mean, fast strong and ugly along their D-front. No question. But the Giants have to compete. They can be much better than this. Same group last season mostly played better down the stretch. Throw out the Minnesota game. Solari better get his head out of his ass and start coaching. They catch a break opening at the Death Star and catching the Cowboys' defense severely depleted.

Yep they sucked. and the depth is horrifying. OL Will be the weak link all year.

being a clear cut favorite out of the east and a possible last place team.

I still don't get how we didn't address it.

They haven't regressed. They are what they are: arguably the worst OL in the NFL. Why? They have bad players at LT (who looks and smells like a bust), RG, and RT.

OL is a problem for most teams. Re-watch the game, our 4 starting lineman did not play horrible. They played ok, some good and some bad. Flowers did not play bad, the problem was pressure from the inside caused Eli to leave the pocket into the DE that Flowers was blocking.

i dont panic until i see the starters in action that actually means something. I think our TEs and RBs miss ALOT of assignments. that being said, we need to improve and need to add depth. If i am the Giants I am looking to make a trade for a STARTER. even if you have to give a 2 or 3 in next years draft...eli doesnt have many years left and NOT ONE can be a "rebuild" we have a very very good defense, a good amount of weapons on offense, we bolster this oline and the giants could be real contenders. i would do whatever necessary to try and make a trade. contact a team like jax who has about 4 solid OTs or the 49ers who have a lot of oline depth...we need TWO players, one starter and one solid backup. Add a starter at RT and your line looks like

Flowers-Pugh-Richburg-Jerry-Trade
Hart-Newhouse-trade or FA as depth...
thats three servicable backups

OL play. Feel free to disagree (no name calling). As you can see, IMO I can only peg 2 or 3 bad plays on the 5 OL players (these are the no gain runs). The rest are run & pass blitzes not picked up by RB/TE, the TE just sucking, or the TE not realizing its a blitz and adjusting his route. Protection is a team game, thats why RB's don't play unless they block. On blitzes it is up to others to pitch in. Each grouping is their series in order by play.

1st - Blitzing LB brought down Jennings, no one bothered to look at him
2nd - Good protection completed pass
3rd - Manning tripped
4th - DL stood up OL for no gain
5th - OL stood up by DL, 2 yd gain

1st- TE couldn't block, no gain on run
2nd - Hole there but Vareen only got 3 yds
3rd - Pass blitz and sack by LB, rb (Vareen) no where to be found

1st- Good pass protection, completion to Donnell (who of course immediately falls to the ground)
2nd - Jennings for 3 yds
3rd- TE Mallack gets abused, Jennings loses 5 yds. Everything else looked good,could have been a good run
4th - Fine, completed pass to Vareen
5th - Decent but not great protection, Eli had to let it go 1 second too early and under threw Cruz

1st- Good protection, but OBJ pulled up on route, so the Manning pass was an Int

1st - Decent protection, completed pass to OBJ
2nd - Quick pass complete to Shepard, but Revis tackles him for no gain
3rd - False start on Hart
4th - Good protection, completed to Adams
5th - Safety blitz, no one picked it up, Vareen hit behind the line
6th - Donnell misses the pre-snap read on a blitz, so he doesn't look for the pass
7th - Blitz not picked up, not sure where the RB or TE was. DL looked picked up, but blitzers ran free. Incomplete

1st - good protection, Eli just missed OBJ on the sideline
2nd - delayed draw, no gain, brought down by LB
3rd - draw, good run by Vareen but not enough for first (9 yds).

this is why I freaking LOST IT during the draft with Apple and then Perkins

both are good players, but the OL is a joke and Reese blows

he had this off season to fix it, and did nothing, this is almost criminal

HOF QB, and they put this line in front of him? fucking pissed

This looked like the greatest Giants OLine of all time to me. Front office has nailed it, IMO..

...but there were a ton of additional factors last night. Vereen had an off performance - really poor vision on two early runs, tentative in the hole on a third and almost got the QB killed on the following play.

We also had several runs where we ended up with a TE trying to handle Wilkerson 1-on-1 and we're not just talking a quick seal where the formation put them in a favorable angle - we're talking turning him out of the hole.

Not sure if we're having communication issues or limiting changes at the line but I'd think some of that would be stuff we'd check out of. Maybe it was just putting the TE's feet to fire and see who could handle it. WTF knows...

Even if the OL (with time to mesh) plays like last year, we'll do ok, imo..The D had to be addressed a lot and it was. That will be the key this season. In a perfect world, we would have addressed both and I have no doubt we tried.

Bottom line? We can do rather well with what we fielded on O last year. We also have added Shepard and (hopefully) Cruz..The D (on paper) shoukd be much better this season, imv..THAT is what was needed to compete with the big boys

we couldnt run for shit last year and Reese did NOTHING to add any power to the line.. disgusting

They still suck as they have for the past four seasons. His arrogance is sickening.

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we couldnt run for shit last year and Reese did NOTHING to add any power to the line.. disgusting

I was referring to the overall O..We were one of the best last year...True, had we had a decent running game, we wouldn't have put ourselves into 4 last play situations. But, had we had this year's D (on paper) for those 4 last play losses, we're 10-6 and Eli's in the playoffs..

I don't care HOW we move the ball, as long as we can out up points as we did last year. And yes, ideally a solid running game would make it a lot easier, but improving the D was, to this fan, the number 1 priority

Until you get into meaningful games with live game planning. You can't compare performances in preseason to regular season. This isn't an Oline that is going to dominate one on one matchups. You have to wait and see how they perform in meaningful play. And as McAdoo said, it hasn't all been on the line.

In comment 13091449 UberAlias said:

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Until you get into meaningful games with live game planning. You can't compare performances in preseason to regular season. This isn't an Oline that is going to dominate one on one matchups. You have to wait and see how they perform in meaningful play. And as McAdoo said, it hasn't all been on the line.

If none of these guys can dominate one on one matchups then what do you expect from them in " meaningful" play? They won't magically get tougher.

Jerry can't run block and Flowers has trouble pass blocking.

when teams have to trim their rosters?

Going to be very solid once Pugh gets back. Jerry and Newhouse are back up starting because The FO Is myopic.

To think it was all going to get fixed in one offseason was wrong.

Free agency had more defensive solutions than offensive ones. So they clearly went with what the market had to offer.

A rookie offensive linemen isn't fixing this line. Rookies have been our best players the last two years. If rookies are your best players, your team is garbage.

In comment 13091325 Paulie Walnuts said:

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this is why I freaking LOST IT during the draft with Apple and then Perkins

Perkins??! I'miss no draft guru, but I doubt taking Perkins in the 5th came at the expense of a lineman who'd help us out this year.

When I type I'm on your shitty phone, I really mean to type I'miss

In comment 13091502 phils2008 said:

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In comment 13091449 UberAlias said: Quote: Until you get into meaningful games with live game planning. You can't compare performances in preseason to regular season. This isn't an Oline that is going to dominate one on one matchups. You have to wait and see how they perform in meaningful play. And as McAdoo said, it hasn't all been on the line. If none of these guys can dominate one on one matchups then what do you expect from them in " meaningful" play? They won't magically get tougher.

It's called scheme and game planning. The offense did okay last year, no? Same group of people.