Please point to specific games where he did, I would like to watch them.
I don't know if he played it well, but in his rookie year, 2009, he started four games at RT in place of Kareem McKenzie, including the last three games of the season.
Beatty sucked, was hurt, was a cap hit, and apparently had a poor exit. On paper only did this look like a move our FO would make. Reading the tea leaves, particularly his exit, was pretty telling for me. Looks like the differences were resolved and hopefully this move will result in good things.
I didn't, have to eat crow I guess. It didn't seem either
party wanted anything to do with each other.
He has to be better than a Newhouse at RT, please!
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
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In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
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In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
The Cowboys drafted Tyron Smith at #9 and he spent his first two years at RT before moving over to LT. The Giants did not have that luxury with Flowers.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Flowers is far tougher than Beatty.
I think it means Flowers may be moving to RT. Beatty really doesn't fit well at RT and Flowers would. They'd both be in the wrong spot if Flowers stayed at LT.
I doubt it... Jerry Reese drafted Flowers to be a left tackle so dammit, he's going to play left tackle!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Flowers is far tougher than Beatty.
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
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In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
Dallas drafted Martin to play tackle. He is not their long term pro bowl guard.
Can we please stop these silly but he was drafted at this draft order number so he must play at this position rhetoric.
that all the BBI "resident experts" said he would never be resigned but here we are. Giants must be very concerned about the oline. Oh I forgot it's only preseason.
and J Mara is the 800 pound gorilla (when he wants to be). Have a hunch he might be the motor behind this move.
Also possible that he was the one who wanted Conklin at draft time, while Reese was stuck on Floyd.
You're really assuming a lot here.
Just reading tea leaves. From everything Reese has said, I never believed he wanted to spend another first round pick on an OL. Yet there was that wave of rumors just before the draft of Giants having interest in Conklin. And I don't buy a disinformation theory for that.
Bringing Beatty back would not have been easy for JR. A nudge from above . . . I can see it.
and J Mara is the 800 pound gorilla (when he wants to be). Have a hunch he might be the motor behind this move.
Also possible that he was the one who wanted Conklin at draft time, while Reese was stuck on Floyd.
You're really assuming a lot here.
Just reading tea leaves. From everything Reese has said, I never believed he wanted to spend another first round pick on an OL. Yet there was that wave of rumors just before the draft of Giants having interest in Conklin. And I don't buy a disinformation theory for that.
Bringing Beatty back would not have been easy for JR. A nudge from above . . . I can see it.
So, you're just doubling down on the the assumptions here. Do you have any basis for your comments?
as much as Reese or Mara. Eli knows what he has when Beatty is playing at the level he is capable of. That's better than what he has now. Beatty has never dogged it or given reason to be viewed as a malingerer. His injuries were serious: Detached retina, back, broken leg, torn pec. My biggest concern injury-wise is his back. If that checks out, I can live with him choosing surgery last year rather than trying to play through the pec injury. It was a business decision.
One million with 750 guaranteed. A bargain if you ask me.
You don't understand the cap and take things at face value. Add that million onto the cap hit after he was cut and the dead money. Add them together and it's over $10 million I believe with approx. $6 million in actual hard cap dollars (not dead money)
One minute, we're fantasizing about Bavaro or Banks...
1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.
2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.
He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.
Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I guess all those problems on the OL are correctable....
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
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In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
The Cowboys drafted Tyron Smith at #9 and he spent his first two years at RT before moving over to LT. The Giants did not have that luxury with Flowers.
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Bingo, other teams have also done it in this league.
there was a lot of competition for the guy. Wonder if he gave a discount or just went highest bidder.?
One million with 750 guaranteed. A bargain if you ask me.
This guy who would go work out about 7 teams. It took Gettleman personally reaching out to him just to get him to show up for a Panthers workout. Very weird IMO.
1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.
2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.
He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.
Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.
If he gets his nose bloodied he'll be on season ending IR for cosmetic surgery.
Eli, Pugh and Richburg have always spoke highly of Beatty
1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.
2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.
He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.
Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.
If he gets his nose bloodied he'll be on season ending IR for cosmetic surgery.
See right there. Come on man. He is not some softee.
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
.
In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
Dallas drafted Martin to play tackle. He is not their long term pro bowl guard.
Can we please stop these silly but he was drafted at this draft order number so he must play at this position rhetoric.
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They had Smith at LT, I think he was drafted to play
where he is playing. He was the 16th pick I believe,
not a top ten pick. There is a difference at OL,
nothing to do with 'rhetoric'.
1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.
2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.
He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.
Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.
If these guys are "beat up" already under the new CBA then maybe they need to rethink their career choice. What's going to happen in Week 9? A sudden second wind? Come on. I get what you're saying but there is absolutely no reason these guys shouldn't be ready to go Week 1.
It's really hard for me to feel good about calling a guy "soft"
Obviously, the Giants don't make snap decisions except during the draft.
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and played it well.
Please point to specific games where he did, I would like to watch them.
I don't know if he played it well, but in his rookie year, 2009, he started four games at RT in place of Kareem McKenzie, including the last three games of the season.
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but any chance we might be using Beatty as a 3rd Tackle/Blocking TE during obvious run situations to get his feet wet?
Well, that's how they broke him in as a rookie, so it's not really that insane.
I think they did this in 2012 as well when Locklear was playing LT before he broke his leg.
And since it's not a street fight...
Considerably better LT technique? This isn't true. But carry on.
Please tell us what about his technique is considerably superior.
Am I missing something? Haven't looked at the numbers for him in a while
Pretty excited about both developments.
I used to be a Will Beatty fan, but my take on all of this is that the Giants are quite desperate and concerned about the O-line unit.
Yes we do, so...
Beatty is here for that LT spot. Give it up Flowers.
I didn't, have to eat crow I guess. It didn't seem either
party wanted anything to do with each other.
He has to be better than a Newhouse at RT, please!
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Thing is, can he over take Newhouse on right side..not having played that side much..How much is really his motivation too?
Beatty is here for that LT spot. Give it up Flowers.
Not a shot in hell UNLESS EF tanks the entire season..
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But Beatty has considerably better left tackle technique than Flowers.
And since it's not a street fight...
Considerably better LT technique? This isn't true. But carry on.
Please tell us what about his technique is considerably superior.
Beatty does have excellent hands, very fast with the ability to keep himself clean in PP. Probably among the best of the LTs in the league.
You win sir.
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if you bring in new guys
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
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But Beatty has considerably better left tackle technique than Flowers.
And since it's not a street fight...
Considerably better LT technique? This isn't true. But carry on.
Please tell us what about his technique is considerably superior.
Beatty does have excellent hands, very fast with the ability to keep himself clean in PP. Probably among the best of the LTs in the league.
Keep himself clean in pass pro? What do you mean?
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But Beatty has considerably better left tackle technique than Flowers.
And since it's not a street fight...
Considerably better LT technique? This isn't true. But carry on.
Please tell us what about his technique is considerably superior.
Beatty's hands are better against speed rushers than Flowers'.
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if you bring in new guys
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
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In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
The Cowboys drafted Tyron Smith at #9 and he spent his first two years at RT before moving over to LT. The Giants did not have that luxury with Flowers.
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But Beatty has considerably better left tackle technique than Flowers.
And since it's not a street fight...
Considerably better LT technique? This isn't true. But carry on.
Please tell us what about his technique is considerably superior.
Beatty does have excellent hands, very fast with the ability to keep himself clean in PP. Probably among the best of the LTs in the league.
Keep himself clean in pass pro? What do you mean?
Keep defenders off his body and reroute them effectively.
Pretty excited about both developments.
And you know this......how?
I doubt it... Jerry Reese drafted Flowers to be a left tackle so dammit, he's going to play left tackle!!
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But Beatty has considerably better left tackle technique than Flowers.
And since it's not a street fight...
Considerably better LT technique? This isn't true. But carry on.
Please tell us what about his technique is considerably superior.
Beatty does have excellent hands, very fast with the ability to keep himself clean in PP. Probably among the best of the LTs in the league.
Keep himself clean in pass pro? What do you mean?
Keep defenders off his body and reroute them effectively.
Huh. I want them in my fuckin pads in pass pro. Locked up nice and tight to create that nice pocket. But what do I know?
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if you bring in new guys
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
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In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
Dallas drafted Martin to play tackle. He is not their long term pro bowl guard.
Can we please stop these silly but he was drafted at this draft order number so he must play at this position rhetoric.
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and J Mara is the 800 pound gorilla (when he wants to be). Have a hunch he might be the motor behind this move.
Also possible that he was the one who wanted Conklin at draft time, while Reese was stuck on Floyd.
You're really assuming a lot here.
Just reading tea leaves. From everything Reese has said, I never believed he wanted to spend another first round pick on an OL. Yet there was that wave of rumors just before the draft of Giants having interest in Conklin. And I don't buy a disinformation theory for that.
Bringing Beatty back would not have been easy for JR. A nudge from above . . . I can see it.
One million with 750 guaranteed. A bargain if you ask me.
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and J Mara is the 800 pound gorilla (when he wants to be). Have a hunch he might be the motor behind this move.
Also possible that he was the one who wanted Conklin at draft time, while Reese was stuck on Floyd.
You're really assuming a lot here.
Just reading tea leaves. From everything Reese has said, I never believed he wanted to spend another first round pick on an OL. Yet there was that wave of rumors just before the draft of Giants having interest in Conklin. And I don't buy a disinformation theory for that.
Bringing Beatty back would not have been easy for JR. A nudge from above . . . I can see it.
So, you're just doubling down on the the assumptions here. Do you have any basis for your comments?
You're just guessing.
In the meantime Beatty can push Newhouse but it makes me wonder if Pugh's injury is more serious.
One million with 750 guaranteed. A bargain if you ask me.
You don't understand the cap and take things at face value. Add that million onto the cap hit after he was cut and the dead money. Add them together and it's over $10 million I believe with approx. $6 million in actual hard cap dollars (not dead money)
WOW!!!
Seriously... wishing Beatty the best - there were stretches where he was very good.
Hoping he can rebuild his career here.
1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.
2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.
He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.
Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.
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if you bring in new guys
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
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In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
The Cowboys drafted Tyron Smith at #9 and he spent his first two years at RT before moving over to LT. The Giants did not have that luxury with Flowers.
Bingo, other teams have also done it in this league.
One million with 750 guaranteed. A bargain if you ask me.
This guy who would go work out about 7 teams. It took Gettleman personally reaching out to him just to get him to show up for a Panthers workout. Very weird IMO.
In the meantime Beatty can push Newhouse but it makes me wonder if Pugh's injury is more serious.
Doubt it. Has more to do with Newhouse. Wonder if Newhouse can play guard?
1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.
2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.
He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.
Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.
If he gets his nose bloodied he'll be on season ending IR for cosmetic surgery.
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Beatty.
1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.
2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.
He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.
Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.
If he gets his nose bloodied he'll be on season ending IR for cosmetic surgery.
See right there. Come on man. He is not some softee.
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if you bring in new guys
If Beatty ends up at LT at some point and Flowers moves to RT as some suspect that would be an indictment against the organization that allowed other better quality options pass on because they wouldn't move Flowers to RT.
I still hope that they won't be so quick to pull the trigger on Flowers.
Well, if you think about it, had Beatty stayed healthy last season, Flowers never would have played LT.
.
In the short term, yes. In the long term, no.
You draft somebody at #9, to be your LT moving forward.
Dallas drafted Martin to play tackle. He is not their long term pro bowl guard.
Can we please stop these silly but he was drafted at this draft order number so he must play at this position rhetoric.
They had Smith at LT, I think he was drafted to play
where he is playing. He was the 16th pick I believe,
not a top ten pick. There is a difference at OL,
nothing to do with 'rhetoric'.
1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.
2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.
He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.
Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.
If these guys are "beat up" already under the new CBA then maybe they need to rethink their career choice. What's going to happen in Week 9? A sudden second wind? Come on. I get what you're saying but there is absolutely no reason these guys shouldn't be ready to go Week 1.
A whole lot of lounge chair Spartans in here.
It's a big plus (he won't stay if he can't pass the physical).
I think Flowers will stay at LT (for the time being); Beatty will challenge Newhouse for RT.