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Giants Resigning Will Beatty

jintz4life : 8/30/2016 2:21 pm
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Adam Schefter & #8207;@AdamSchefter 10s10 seconds ago
OT Will Beatty re-signing with NY Giants, per source.
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RE: It's really hard for me to feel good about calling a guy  
JonC : 8/30/2016 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13094697 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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when he had to have his retina re-attached to his eyeball and then went out to play football again.

A whole lot of lounge chair Spartans in here.


"soft" came straight out of the locker room, fwiw.
RE: I specifically  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13094546 King Quis said:
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Mentioned this and F.M.i.C went on this rant talking about this is the NFL and not Madden! ...


You and me both. He said "look i know his name, lets sign him."
RE: RE: It's really hard for me to feel good about calling a guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2016 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13094703 JonC said:
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In comment 13094697 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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when he had to have his retina re-attached to his eyeball and then went out to play football again.

A whole lot of lounge chair Spartans in here.



"soft" came straight out of the locker room, fwiw.


A whole lot of 6-10 came out of that locker room too recently.

And he just got a fully guaranteed million bucks again, so how true one curiously anonymous opinion is, who knows. "Soft" isn't a term one typically attaches to career offensive linemen.
I thought the soft label came from Gilbride.  
Klaatu : 8/30/2016 3:44 pm : link
Not from any of the players.
Ok. Explain this to me. If Beatty is such a good signing then why  
baadbill : 8/30/2016 3:49 pm : link
wasn't he signed earlier in the pre-season? Did he suddenly get better or did the Giants simply get more desperate? Has to be one or the other (and clearly Beatty didn't suddenly become a better player over the past 3 weeks).

Am I missing something? Are we really expecting to see someone unsigned through the 3rd preseason game become a rock on the OL this year? Is that seriously a valid expectation?
Beatty came out of UConn as a #2 with  
ColHowPepper : 8/30/2016 3:49 pm : link
some immediate doubters: he wrote poetry; there were background pieces about his commitment and whether he really wanted to go NFL; he wasn't a physical tackle (true). A lot of this stuff dogged him during his years with the Giants.

Many questioned his pick as a 2nd, but with all the failures the Giants have had along the OL in the Reese era, Beatty stands out as a relative success, even if he doesn't quite fit the profile some would like as a physical OT who can excel in run game and pass pro. Yet he was likely never a TC favorite, who knows what was said.

After he tore his pec (second serious injury in three years and a bitch to come back from) and they parted ways, the door was wide open for Will Beatty to call it a career. But he did not.

If the long recovery period + not knowing whether he would be re-signed anywhere, I take this as a good sign for his commitment and desire, whatever position he winds up playing.
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AP in Halfmoon : 8/30/2016 3:50 pm : link
Gilbride, "We made the gamble that William Beatty was the guy at LT. There's no question he has the physical talent but toughness is the key"
people say soft  
UConn4523 : 8/30/2016 3:50 pm : link
when comparing him to his peers. Giants had a clear stance quickly cutting Beatty/Schwartz, not sure where the confusion is.
This was in the making when they released him...  
Rory : 8/30/2016 3:50 pm : link
Hopefully he takes the RT position and helps the run game.

Now just got sign Patrick Lewis from the Seahawks to back up guard / center and lets go.
He's getting paid like depth. We should adjust our expectations  
Heisenberg : 8/30/2016 3:52 pm : link
accordingly.
RE: Ok. Explain this to me. If Beatty is such a good signing then why  
Mason : 8/30/2016 3:52 pm : link
In comment 13094741 baadbill said:
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wasn't he signed earlier in the pre-season? Did he suddenly get better or did the Giants simply get more desperate? Has to be one or the other (and clearly Beatty didn't suddenly become a better player over the past 3 weeks).

Am I missing something? Are we really expecting to see someone unsigned through the 3rd preseason game become a rock on the OL this year? Is that seriously a valid expectation?


You mean here with the Giants? Or elsewhere because he was in demand with about 6 to 7 teams but he wasn't interested.
It's possible  
AP in Halfmoon : 8/30/2016 3:53 pm : link
he's healthy with a new attitude.
RE: Ok. Explain this to me. If Beatty is such a good signing then why  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13094741 baadbill said:
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wasn't he signed earlier in the pre-season? Did he suddenly get better or did the Giants simply get more desperate? Has to be one or the other (and clearly Beatty didn't suddenly become a better player over the past 3 weeks).

Am I missing something? Are we really expecting to see someone unsigned through the 3rd preseason game become a rock on the OL this year? Is that seriously a valid expectation?


In comparison to what we have I find it hard to believe that Beatty is any worse than our 5th best offensive lineman. You can make a strong argument he's our 3rd best.

Teams with good linemen and/or young prospects they believe in dont need a player like Beatty. we have few good lineman and 1 7th rd pick who may have potential. Coupled with knowing the offense this move was a no brainer!
RE: quote  
Klaatu : 8/30/2016 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13094745 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Gilbride, "We made the gamble that William Beatty was the guy at LT. There's no question he has the physical talent but toughness is the key"


Thanks. I thought it was Gilbride who questioned his toughness.
RE: He's getting paid like depth. We should adjust our expectations  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13094756 Heisenberg said:
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accordingly.


So are Jerry and Newhouse. Neither of them were ever as good as Beatty. Does it mean they're better today? Doubt it but I find it hard to believe that at some point Will Beatty wont be taking over at either RT or LT.
RE: RE: quote  
Rory : 8/30/2016 3:58 pm : link
In comment 13094768 Klaatu said:
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In comment 13094745 AP in Halfmoon said:


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Gilbride, "We made the gamble that William Beatty was the guy at LT. There's no question he has the physical talent but toughness is the key"



Thanks. I thought it was Gilbride who questioned his toughness.


This could be in relation to recovery from injuries as well. Specifically his back
RE: It's possible  
Tesla : 8/30/2016 3:59 pm : link
In comment 13094759 AP in Halfmoon said:
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he's healthy with a new attitude.


If you take a look at his Twitter account you'll see he's got two young kids with another on the way. I'm sure he's well motivated not just to hit his incentives for this season but to earn a contact after this as well.

Also, here's what JPP had to say about him around 6 months ago:

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I'll tell you this Will Beatty, bro you made me a better player. You prepared me to face the best Offensive tackles in the NFL. That's why I made it look so easy at times, all because of you my boy. I know you have plenty more football left in you...
RE: RE: Giants have two GMs  
HomerJones45 : 8/30/2016 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13094528 drkenneth said:
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and J Mara is the 800 pound gorilla (when he wants to be). Have a hunch he might be the motor behind this move.

Also possible that he was the one who wanted Conklin at draft time, while Reese was stuck on Floyd.



You're really assuming a lot here.
No, he isn't.
RE: RE: Ok. Explain this to me. If Beatty is such a good signing then why  
baadbill : 8/30/2016 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13094767 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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In comment 13094741 baadbill said:


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wasn't he signed earlier in the pre-season? Did he suddenly get better or did the Giants simply get more desperate? Has to be one or the other (and clearly Beatty didn't suddenly become a better player over the past 3 weeks).

Am I missing something? Are we really expecting to see someone unsigned through the 3rd preseason game become a rock on the OL this year? Is that seriously a valid expectation?



In comparison to what we have I find it hard to believe that Beatty is any worse than our 5th best offensive lineman. You can make a strong argument he's our 3rd best.

Teams with good linemen and/or young prospects they believe in dont need a player like Beatty. we have few good lineman and 1 7th rd pick who may have potential. Coupled with knowing the offense this move was a no brainer!


So why didn't the Giants sign him 2 weeks ago? What changed so late in the preseason?
Good Move IMHO  
Trainmaster : 8/30/2016 4:01 pm : link
If Beatty is at least "serviceable", this is a good move. Anything more is a bonus.

I think the Giants can suffer a loss (I know, knock on wood) to one of the starters (with the possible exception of Richburg) and be able to shuffle things around and be somewhat OK.
...  
NYGTBlair : 8/30/2016 4:02 pm : link
Beatty is a good start and I would bring in Schwartz too.. We have the money and he is an upgrade over Jerry and Hart. Its nice to know that Reese is working for his job. The Giants are in a win now mode..
RE: Interesting  
M.S. : 8/30/2016 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13094614 Kivorka said:
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that all the BBI "resident experts" said he would never be resigned but here we are. Giants must be very concerned about the oline. Oh I forgot it's only preseason.

Well played, Sir! This signing exposes a ton of bullshit that's been dressed up as BBI threads over the past several weeks (if not months.) Bottom line: Giants management is scrambling to shore up a painfully obvious weakness. Hope Beatty can help. But he is no panacea.
RE: RE: RE: Ok. Explain this to me. If Beatty is such a good signing then why  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13094784 baadbill said:
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In comment 13094767 Old Dirty Beckham said:


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In comment 13094741 baadbill said:


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wasn't he signed earlier in the pre-season? Did he suddenly get better or did the Giants simply get more desperate? Has to be one or the other (and clearly Beatty didn't suddenly become a better player over the past 3 weeks).

Am I missing something? Are we really expecting to see someone unsigned through the 3rd preseason game become a rock on the OL this year? Is that seriously a valid expectation?



In comparison to what we have I find it hard to believe that Beatty is any worse than our 5th best offensive lineman. You can make a strong argument he's our 3rd best.

Teams with good linemen and/or young prospects they believe in dont need a player like Beatty. we have few good lineman and 1 7th rd pick who may have potential. Coupled with knowing the offense this move was a no brainer!



So why didn't the Giants sign him 2 weeks ago? What changed so late in the preseason?


Health and perhaps they didnt expect their offensive lineman to play so poorly through three games in the preseason.
RE: ...  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13094789 NYGTBlair said:
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Beatty is a good start and I would bring in Schwartz too.. We have the money and he is an upgrade over Jerry and Hart. Its nice to know that Reese is working for his job. The Giants are in a win now mode..


This is totally off topic but I"e been trying to send you the madden invite. Do you have the game yet? Email me at madden17bbi@gmail.com
Can't wait for Schwartz to sign next  
Giants2012 : 8/30/2016 4:06 pm : link
lol, what a joke.
Gilbride's comments were made public  
JonC : 8/30/2016 4:06 pm : link
the players' comments were not, none that I recall.

RE: RE: RE: Giants have two GMs  
drkenneth : 8/30/2016 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13094781 HomerJones45 said:
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In comment 13094528 drkenneth said:


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In comment 13094521 shyster said:


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and J Mara is the 800 pound gorilla (when he wants to be). Have a hunch he might be the motor behind this move.

Also possible that he was the one who wanted Conklin at draft time, while Reese was stuck on Floyd.



You're really assuming a lot here.


No, he isn't.


How so? Still waiting on Coughlin's 3 offers to coach. ANy news on that?
The  
AcidTest : 8/30/2016 4:08 pm : link
posters who said this would never happen were not irrational, although they might have moderated their stance after the OL had such a poor showing in three straight games, even though it was the preseason.

I thought the Giants had moved on from Beatty, but started to advocate during the third preseason game that they should at least inquire about bringing him back. I'm glad they did. Before this signing, our best depth was Hart, a second year seventh round pick who has been underwhelming this preseason.

Good job Jerry.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2016 4:08 pm : link
Mykkele also had some reps with the 1st team.
HIOW bout  
OC2.0 : 8/30/2016 4:09 pm : link
1 of you naysayers tell me what the downside is here. Cause I don't see it
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section125 : 8/30/2016 4:13 pm : link
In comment 13094695 B in ALB said:
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Beatty.

1.) He knows the offense already. So very little learning curve. He needs timing and to get his nose bloodied.

2.) He has not been beaten up in camp - and remember camp is not what it used to be, either.

He may not be ready for Dallas as starter, but he's likely the 3rd and short/goal line tackle eligible. By NLT game 3 he's starting RT. Because of the pass rushing of today, I don't know if the traditional LT and RT physical requirements are the same as 10 years ago.

Being cut and seeing how nobody really wanted him probably cut some of the resentment he had toward NYG.



If these guys are "beat up" already under the new CBA then maybe they need to rethink their career choice. What's going to happen in Week 9? A sudden second wind? Come on. I get what you're saying but there is absolutely no reason these guys shouldn't be ready to go Week 1.


I'm saying HE is not nicked up - like Pugh and Jerry. He's not being cut by a team and has small injuries. He's clean and should have no reason not to be game ready in two weeks maybe three weeks..nothing to hold him back.
If they can get him  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 4:16 pm : link
they should sign Sullivan from the Vikings. This team doenst have a backup C.

He'll probably get a job elsewhere though where he can start.
RE: HIOW bout  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 4:17 pm : link
In comment 13094818 OC2.0 said:
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1 of you naysayers tell me what the downside is here. Cause I don't see it


There is none and there never has been. They are just sticking to their guns because they said it would never happen.

RE: RE: He's getting paid like depth. We should adjust our expectations  
Heisenberg : 8/30/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13094773 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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In comment 13094756 Heisenberg said:


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accordingly.



So are Jerry and Newhouse. Neither of them were ever as good as Beatty. Does it mean they're better today? Doubt it but I find it hard to believe that at some point Will Beatty wont be taking over at either RT or LT.


I would say better than 50-50 at some point. But not a certainty by any stretch. Dude has been out of work all offseason for a reason and is now being paid at essentially replacement veteran level. I'm in favor of giving him a shot but it's not clear to me that he will be better than Newhouse. His potential is definitely higher though so it's worth a try.
RE: The  
M.S. : 8/30/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13094813 AcidTest said:
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posters who said this would never happen were not irrational, although they might have moderated their stance after the OL had such a poor showing in three straight games, even though it was the preseason.

I thought the Giants had moved on from Beatty, but started to advocate during the third preseason game that they should at least inquire about bringing him back. I'm glad they did. Before this signing, our best depth was Hart, a second year seventh round pick who has been underwhelming this preseason.

Good job Jerry.

AcidTest... out of all due respect, the signing of Will Beatty is not really a good job, but rather a move made out of desperation.
Left Tackle, Right Tackle, Guard  
David B. : 8/30/2016 4:25 pm : link
Can't quite figure this out:

Pugh, a 1st round pick, was an "all Big East" OLT and Syracuse for 3 years. Somehow, he can't be an OLT in the pros -- despite that 2013 he started all 16 games and only allowed 3 sacks.

David Diehl - 5th round OG. But apparently HE can play OLT.

Flowers - 9th overall. Two years starting OLT at a major football factory. People HERE don't think he can be an OLT. The Giants do. They're likely correct, but fans are impatient. BIG TOUGH KID with big upside. Just needs to do the work. Sadly for some of you, the Giants LIKE Flowers at OLT. If they thought Flowers was awful and wanted to mess with that, they could have bumped Pugh back to OLT and Flowers to ORT without re signing Beatty. They haven't.

Bobby Hart - late round college ORT who the Giants brass said "projected to OG in the pros." By training camp, he's a backup ORT and backup OG, not winning a starting job over very average Jerry and Newhouse.

Beatty - 2nd round pick -- plays both OT spots (he filled in for McKenzie at ORT for 4 games) Can't stay healthy -- even off the field. He's not being brought in to play OLT. But IF he is healthy -- which is a big IF, he could provide depth at either spot, and maybe challenge Newhouse at some point during the season.
" do you have heart now? " Reese  
gtt350 : 8/30/2016 4:26 pm : link
" for a million bucks you becha" Beatty
RE: Wish I could bump the threads from after the bills game  
djm : 8/30/2016 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13094472 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Don't be so sure they signed BEatty simply because things looked bad in that game. Some of you are sticking your chest out with the told you so stuff but it's likely the Giants saw things we didn't see that prompted them to sign Beatty. And I don't necessarily think those things took place in the first quarter of a preseason game.
RE: RE: The  
AcidTest : 8/30/2016 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13094872 M.S. said:
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In comment 13094813 AcidTest said:


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posters who said this would never happen were not irrational, although they might have moderated their stance after the OL had such a poor showing in three straight games, even though it was the preseason.

I thought the Giants had moved on from Beatty, but started to advocate during the third preseason game that they should at least inquire about bringing him back. I'm glad they did. Before this signing, our best depth was Hart, a second year seventh round pick who has been underwhelming this preseason.

Good job Jerry.


AcidTest... out of all due respect, the signing of Will Beatty is not really a good job, but rather a move made out of desperation.


I agree it's a move out of desperation. But it's still good that Jerry didn't let whatever differences originally existed between the Giants and Betty prevent him from reassessing the situation based on our current needs.
RE: HIOW bout  
Boy Cord : 8/30/2016 4:32 pm : link
In comment 13094818 OC2.0 said:
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1 of you naysayers tell me what the downside is here. Cause I don't see it


Zero downside. Inexpensive. Experience with the Giants and this offense. Quite possibly better than all but three OL on the roster. People calling this signing a joke should realize the joke was the inaction from this offseason, not this signing.
but hey  
djm : 8/30/2016 4:32 pm : link
if the signing of Beatty convinces some of you that the OL is a state of crisis, have at it.

They signed a a guy off the street to a one year deal.
RE: RE: Wish I could bump the threads from after the bills game  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 4:33 pm : link
In comment 13094888 djm said:
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In comment 13094472 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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Don't be so sure they signed BEatty simply because things looked bad in that game. Some of you are sticking your chest out with the told you so stuff but it's likely the Giants saw things we didn't see that prompted them to sign Beatty. And I don't necessarily think those things took place in the first quarter of a preseason game.


Considering all we who are "puffing our chests out" get to see is the game if we could see what the coaches saw with less exposure I'd say that's even more reason to feel good about ourselves.

RE: If they can get him  
Carson53 : 8/30/2016 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13094847 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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they should sign Sullivan from the Vikings. This team doenst have a backup C.

He'll probably get a job elsewhere though where he can start.


You don't like the Canadian import?
I thought that dude was suppose to be the best center
in the CFL. Last year he was on IR, don't know what they feel
about him. Nobody ever talks about Jones.
A little 'asshat'  
Fred-in-Florida : 8/30/2016 4:38 pm : link
information. Figured I get blasted if I posted it earlier and if he never signed OMG!

He's had offers to go to other teams but was waiting on the Giants. He has a townhouse in Secaucus (sp) and wanted to stay!
in all likelyhood  
djm : 8/30/2016 4:38 pm : link
the Giants were considering this move 5-6 months ago. As a matter of fact i'd bet they were. I don't think Newhouse has regressed. And I don't think they plan on starting Beatty at LT. They have certainly been monitoring guys like Beatty and likely figured if camp shakes a certain way, let's say that no other tackle or player emerges as a clear cut starter or reliable backup (Hart, Stingley) they can sign a guy like Beatty IF he's in good shape and wants a fair deal.

It's possible Beatty never starts a game this year.



RE: HIOW bout  
Klaatu : 8/30/2016 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13094818 OC2.0 said:
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1 of you naysayers tell me what the downside is here. Cause I don't see it


It was never about any downside. It was more about not much of an upside.

But, as Eric pointed out in another thread, it probably has more to do with Hart playing poorly than it does with Flowers or Newhouse. As a swing-tackle, Beatty is clearly a better option than Hart. Whether or not he becomes a starter remains to be seen.
RE: RE: RE: Wish I could bump the threads from after the bills game  
djm : 8/30/2016 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13094903 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Don't be so sure they signed BEatty simply because things looked bad in that game. Some of you are sticking your chest out with the told you so stuff but it's likely the Giants saw things we didn't see that prompted them to sign Beatty. And I don't necessarily think those things took place in the first quarter of a preseason game.



Considering all we who are "puffing our chests out" get to see is the game if we could see what the coaches saw with less exposure I'd say that's even more reason to feel good about ourselves.


You're locked in. I won't bother debating this crap with you. It's not always black and white. If beatty doesn't play a game this season can we revisit this thread?

It's a one year deal for a guy that's been out of football for a while now yet this is a move out of desperation? WTF are some of you talking about?
RE: in all likelyhood  
Old Dirty Beckham : 8/30/2016 4:42 pm : link
In comment 13094911 djm said:
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the Giants were considering this move 5-6 months ago. As a matter of fact i'd bet they were. I don't think Newhouse has regressed. And I don't think they plan on starting Beatty at LT. They have certainly been monitoring guys like Beatty and likely figured if camp shakes a certain way, let's say that no other tackle or player emerges as a clear cut starter or reliable backup (Hart, Stingley) they can sign a guy like Beatty IF he's in good shape and wants a fair deal.

It's possible Beatty never starts a game this year.




Newhouse hasnt regressed, he just plain old sucks.

I would be shocked if Beatty doesnt take over a job at some point.
I for one  
Fred-in-Florida : 8/30/2016 4:44 pm : link
like the signing. He was injured last year. There is no downside to this. He's better than any other Tackle except Flowers...maybe!

RE: A little 'asshat'  
ZogZerg : 8/30/2016 4:45 pm : link
In comment 13094909 Fred-in-Florida said:
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information. Figured I get blasted if I posted it earlier and if he never signed OMG!

He's had offers to go to other teams but was waiting on the Giants. He has a townhouse in Secaucus (sp) and wanted to stay!


Interesting Info Fred. Didn't know that he had offers from other teams. That is good to hear.
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