either Beatty stayed a guy we moved on from for various reasons or he got back in shape with a better attitude and got a second chance. The second scenario seemed highly unlikelg. something had to have changed for us to bring him back and as I posted on the AZ interest thread, I wonder what shape he'd be in right now without a fire lit under his ass.
Do they take the heat off Flowers and move him to the right side of the line, or does Will B. play RT?
The plan right now is for Beatty to play on the right side but I think they're going to flip before mid season and Flowers is going to end up at RT with WB back at LT.
against the Jets. He also played LG the entire first half against the Bills the week before. Got two series at RT in that game in third period.
I know there's also practices, but before the Pugh injury, my recollection is that the competition between Newhouse and Hart was up in the air. And Hart has also had to spend time at LG in practices the last two weeks in anticipation of playing there in the games.
I'm not a huge Hart fan but it seems an odd context to render a verdict on Hart as an OT. There's been a lot more of Newhouse at OT on display the last two weeks.
I guess we'll see.
Not sure how we can be real happy with this development.
We sign a cast-off OL that we know very well (and cut) and somehow fans should be pleased with this move? It wreaks of desperation and of a failure by the team to address a problem that was quite obvious in the offseason. Feel real bad for Eli. He deserves better up front.
Beatty did the right thing for himself - surgery. The Giants wanted him to "play through the pain", he wouldn't go for it, so they showed him the door.
Now he's back, rested and healthy. I think it's going to work out fine for him and the team.
that I don't like Beatty much at all as a player and did not except this at all. I'll root for him to kick ass and eat crow if he does - I just don't think this is a good move.
We sign a cast-off OL that we know very well (and cut) and somehow fans should be pleased with this move? It wreaks of desperation and of a failure by the team to address a problem that was quite obvious in the offseason. Feel real bad for Eli. He deserves better up front.
We cut him in a money move. There is no doubt he can play. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that this was a contingency plan all along and they said "call us before you sign somewhere else."
and Flowers better get the lead out of his ass because there is a lot of talk about how rough and tough he is and we move no one on his side of the field and he is victimized by every speed rusher he faces.
RE: Not sure how we can be real happy with this development.
We sign a cast-off OL that we know very well (and cut) and somehow fans should be pleased with this move? It wreaks of desperation and of a failure by the team to address a problem that was quite obvious in the offseason. Feel real bad for Eli. He deserves better up front.
Simple. He's better than Newhouse. Everything else you mentioned is a sunk cost at this point in time. Split milk
I don't think its very complicated. The team ALWAYS says they are looking for players that can help and make the team better. They've tried on a number of occasions this off season to upgrade the talent level on the OL whether starter or back up. At 31 Beatty should still be able to provide that. Whether he can still be a starter is up to the coaches but he upgrades the talent pool. Most teams need 8-9 players. We now have the 5 current starters and Beatty and Hart. That's 7 and someone like Cleary as a developmental type at the end of the bench playing specials. That should give Solari a bit more to work with.
I do not know how you could possibly think it's better to have zero
Why ?
He wasn't all world and if anyone with two eyes couldn't
see this as a Good attempt to improve the Team is smoking
crack ..
Beatty wasn't all pro and surely wan't chopped liver .
He is more liked then most think and I could see him temporarily unseating Flowers . If big If that he does
end up at some point Starting at LT Imagine Flowers
may even Flourish and Improve the Run Game to respectability
Give the Guy a Chance before making irrational statements
I also hope they can add a back up Center ,,
...given the sieve our right OL has been dating back to last season and how pathetic they've come out of the gate in preseason any upgrade to Newhouse is a welcome addition at this 11th hour. How much of an upgrade Beatty will be remains to be seen.
After reading through this entire thread I swear some people just make shit up to fit their narrative.
Beatty was a good player who was cut A) to free up money for the moves they made this off-season and B) because the organization was trying to move on from injured players. I believe it also rubbed the FO the wrong way that Beatty didn't play last season after it appeared his pec injury healed.
Beatty is a talented player when healthy and motivated. While Flowers projects as a better LT in the future, I think Beatty is better in pass pro now. Beatty is without a doubt an immediate upgrade over Newhouse.
Signing Beatty for 1 mil is a no brainier given the state of the OL and the Giants got better today.
The posters screaming for any OL get their wish.
The posters who said the Giants would never take him back look out of touch with reality.
The offensive line is so bad they feel Beatty is an improvement.
On the plus side I think? they saved some money lol.
Beatty, 31, may turn out to be the better LT, something he's done a lot of in the NFL and pretty well in his last year before tearing his pec. Not a lot of time to find out about that now, but say it's so. Then he plays LT for the Giants and Flowers learns to play RT.
How many years has Beatty got left, even if it turns out that he's sensational right now? Not too many. Enough for Flowers to develop and get a shot at LT again. This all seems hopelessly optimistic, but what's not to like about it?
After reading through this entire thread I swear some people just make shit up to fit their narrative.
Beatty was a good player who was cut A) to free up money for the moves they made this off-season and B) because the organization was trying to move on from injured players. I believe it also rubbed the FO the wrong way that Beatty didn't play last season after it appeared his pec injury healed.
Beatty is a talented player when healthy and motivated. While Flowers projects as a better LT in the future, I think Beatty is better in pass pro now. Beatty is without a doubt an immediate upgrade over Newhouse.
Signing Beatty for 1 mil is a no brainier given the state of the OL and the Giants got better today.
Beatty at his height was a very good pass protector which is what you need first and foremost at LT. Many of us here wanted gim resigned and he got a strong contract due to a very good year previous.
He is a bit injry prone and there are questions about just how much he loves football. But if healthy and motivated , he should be an above average pass protector which will be huge for us.
RE: RE: Also got to remember the guy has been out of football
Like Prince before him sometimes we BBIers overrate our players. Remember when some suggested we give Prince 5 to 8 million a year. He ended up not even close. My guess is that Mr Beatty might have valued his services more then other teams and BBIers.In the end his best offer was likely the Giants deal, not close to his old deal. Lets hope he is worth it
Teams have found diamonds in the rough with signings like this before. No one here is putting Beatty in the pro bowl much like someone shouldn't dismiss the signing as camp fodder or irrelevant. Teams have gotten lucky before -- Giants included. Beatty actually might be a pretty safe bet to hold his own. He's not a bad player when healthy. He's been humbled seems to be in top shape -- hey why not. It has happened before why not now. At the very least low risk depth move it pushes the incumbents. Competition can't hurt. I assumed no way he was coming back but might as well get on board.
What intrigues me is why Beatty waited until now to sign a contract
I'm guessing, without knowing, that he will make the final roster regardless of his play in what remains of the preseason. If so, did sign now because now he's finally healthy? Or did he sign now because he wanted to avoid the OTAs and most of camp - not because it was work, but because he didn't want to feel as if he had to win a roster spot.
All the people saying, "this isn't a good move," or, "what is there to get excited about," or "nobody signed him, so he's not going to help," need to sit down and relax.
First of all, it is a good move. Why? Because we have a tackle position with Marshall freaking Newhouse as the starter. And I'm sure Marshall is a nice guy, and I'm sure he works hard, but this is a results business, and Marshall was not getting good results. Not this year, and not last year, either.
And if Marshall Newhouse is your starter, then those backups must be even worse... and they are. When your starters can't score any points in approximately 4 quarters of football against the Bills and the Jets, and your franchise QB doesn't even have time on almost every snap to even get the ball to his first read, you cannot go into the season without doing something. It may work, and it may not, but you have to do something.
So Beatty might end up bolstering the OL, or he may never get on the field. But the status quo was a no quo. Criticize Beatty if you want, but he wasn't the one stinking up the field all preseason.
So everyone take a deep breath, cross your fingers, and hope he can give Eli the protection he needs to be effective at RT.
RE: What intrigues me is why Beatty waited until now to sign a contract
I'm guessing, without knowing, that he will make the final roster regardless of his play in what remains of the preseason. If so, did sign now because now he's finally healthy? Or did he sign now because he wanted to avoid the OTAs and most of camp - not because it was work, but because he didn't want to feel as if he had to win a roster spot.
If they've guaranteed him $1M then he's very likely to make the roster, especially considering the reserves we currently have.
admission that the mistake of not addressing the disaster of an OL in the off-season has presented itself. Like many, I wanted an early OL pick in the draft but I can honestly sat that I'm not unhappy with the Apple pick. He looks every bit the part but somewhere, somehow, I would have liked to have seen an OL pick. After coming up empty there I was certain they had a plan B in place but again, nada in FA. No use crying over spilled milk but what frustrates beyond descripition is leaving our franchise QB hanging out to dry in the autumn years of his career ...when he needs the best possible protection the most. The shitty play was evident last season and the personnel hadn't changed along the line, unforgivable IMO. I pray they can put this thing together with spit, glue and tape so that we can witness Eli flourish and make another run to glory.
admission that the mistake of not addressing the disaster of an OL in the off-season has presented itself. Like many, I wanted an early OL pick in the draft but I can honestly sat that I'm not unhappy with the Apple pick. He looks every bit the part but somewhere, somehow, I would have liked to have seen an OL pick. After coming up empty there I was certain they had a plan B in place but again, nada in FA. No use crying over spilled milk but what frustrates beyond descripition is leaving our franchise QB hanging out to dry in the autumn years of his career ...when he needs the best possible protection the most. The shitty play was evident last season and the personnel hadn't changed along the line, unforgivable IMO. I pray they can put this thing together with spit, glue and tape so that we can witness Eli flourish and make another run to glory.
I prefer Apple over OL. Apple is 6'1" and the Giants need a tall corner to pair with RC who's 6'2". Jenkins is only 5'10" and taller receivers are going to exploit their height advantage (as evidenced by the Decker TD on Saturday). The Giants OL this year is the same as last year and last year the offense was not the problem. It was the horrific defense.
admission that the mistake of not addressing the disaster of an OL in the off-season has presented itself. Like many, I wanted an early OL pick in the draft but I can honestly sat that I'm not unhappy with the Apple pick. He looks every bit the part but somewhere, somehow, I would have liked to have seen an OL pick. After coming up empty there I was certain they had a plan B in place but again, nada in FA. No use crying over spilled milk but what frustrates beyond descripition is leaving our franchise QB hanging out to dry in the autumn years of his career ...when he needs the best possible protection the most. The shitty play was evident last season and the personnel hadn't changed along the line, unforgivable IMO. I pray they can put this thing together with spit, glue and tape so that we can witness Eli flourish and make another run to glory.
I prefer Apple over OL. Apple is 6'1" and the Giants need a tall corner to pair with RC who's 6'2". Jenkins is only 5'10" and taller receivers are going to exploit their height advantage (as evidenced by the Decker TD on Saturday). The Giants OL this year is the same as last year and last year the offense was not the problem. It was the horrific defense.
You must have misunderstood what I said about Apple, I said I was "not unhappy" with the pick. And all you had to do was watch the Eagles game in Philly last year and most of last season then roll it all into this preseason to see that the OL is too often overmatched.
admission that the mistake of not addressing the disaster of an OL in the off-season has presented itself. Like many, I wanted an early OL pick in the draft but I can honestly sat that I'm not unhappy with the Apple pick. He looks every bit the part but somewhere, somehow, I would have liked to have seen an OL pick. After coming up empty there I was certain they had a plan B in place but again, nada in FA. No use crying over spilled milk but what frustrates beyond descripition is leaving our franchise QB hanging out to dry in the autumn years of his career ...when he needs the best possible protection the most. The shitty play was evident last season and the personnel hadn't changed along the line, unforgivable IMO. I pray they can put this thing together with spit, glue and tape so that we can witness Eli flourish and make another run to glory.
It's not an admission of a mistake. It's an ongoing process.
I'm suspecting Giants had targets on the OL in both the draft and FA, but the value relative to draft position and/or contract $ commitment wasn't there.
Bratty is back because none of the other options worked out and no UDFA gem was discovered in training camp. He's also healthy now and wasn't last spring when the cut was announced.
Perhaps Beatty's departure was less acrimonious than many fans assumed. And maybe, a few months after Coughlin and Flaherty left the building, some grudges began to abate.
Whatever Will Beatty may be, he's not David Diehl or Shaun O'Hara or Rich Seubert, and he's sure not Chris Snee. Coughlin and Flaherty seemed to love those guys, and stuck with them through good times and bad. If the grumpy old men were still running the show, I suspect Beatty's return would have been more controversial.
admission that the mistake of not addressing the disaster of an OL in the off-season has presented itself. Like many, I wanted an early OL pick in the draft but I can honestly sat that I'm not unhappy with the Apple pick. He looks every bit the part but somewhere, somehow, I would have liked to have seen an OL pick. After coming up empty there I was certain they had a plan B in place but again, nada in FA. No use crying over spilled milk but what frustrates beyond descripition is leaving our franchise QB hanging out to dry in the autumn years of his career ...when he needs the best possible protection the most. The shitty play was evident last season and the personnel hadn't changed along the line, unforgivable IMO. I pray they can put this thing together with spit, glue and tape so that we can witness Eli flourish and make another run to glory.
It's not an admission of a mistake. It's an ongoing process.
I'm suspecting Giants had targets on the OL in both the draft and FA, but the value relative to draft position and/or contract $ commitment wasn't there.
Bratty is back because none of the other options worked out and no UDFA gem was discovered in training camp. He's also healthy now and wasn't last spring when the cut was announced.
You call it a "process" and I'll call it an experiment that's been ongoing since the last SB. Sure, there are those that will point to the various draft picks but in my opinion there have been reaches in the draft, poor evaluation on the FA side and the "process" itself started too late. We needed, and still do need, more cornerstone OL and we're still seeing the FO shuffling the deck.
For Beatty to contribute more than sitting on the bench
they'd have to break up the left side of the OL and kick Flowers to RT, which means several moves they've been avoiding since Beatty went down a year ago.
NYG swallowed pride to reverse their course, and so did Beatty, to return for $1M.
they'd have to break up the left side of the OL and kick Flowers to RT, which means several moves they've been avoiding since Beatty went down a year ago.
Time will tell. I wouldn't rule out Beatty at RT. Let's see how Flowers and Newhouse fare while Beatty gets up to speed and into football shape.
I agree that WB opens the year as the swing tackle. That means he'll get 2nd team reps (at least) on both sides. Solari can take the evaluation from there.
was not possible, it would be foolish of me to make any strong pronouncements as it pertains to him..That said, I'd be further surprised (shocked?) if EF is moved at this point..Beatty of course is insurance at OLT..
I thought they made the right decision originally, it was time to move on from TC leftovers who were determined to be under-performing, struggling with injuries, not earning the full value of their contract, etc. The tea leaves followed suit, until now.
It's a bit disappointing to go in the reverse direction of a good decision, imv.
The plan right now is for Beatty to play on the right side but I think they're going to flip before mid season and Flowers is going to end up at RT with WB back at LT.
I know there's also practices, but before the Pugh injury, my recollection is that the competition between Newhouse and Hart was up in the air. And Hart has also had to spend time at LG in practices the last two weeks in anticipation of playing there in the games.
I'm not a huge Hart fan but it seems an odd context to render a verdict on Hart as an OT. There's been a lot more of Newhouse at OT on display the last two weeks.
I guess we'll see.
Beatty did the right thing for himself - surgery. The Giants wanted him to "play through the pain", he wouldn't go for it, so they showed him the door.
Now he's back, rested and healthy. I think it's going to work out fine for him and the team.
I would bet the Giants have been talking to him for a while about the possibility of his return.
and Flowers better get the lead out of his ass because there is a lot of talk about how rough and tough he is and we move no one on his side of the field and he is victimized by every speed rusher he faces.
Will the Giants remake the line before the opener?
He wasn't all world and if anyone with two eyes couldn't
see this as a Good attempt to improve the Team is smoking
crack ..
Beatty wasn't all pro and surely wan't chopped liver .
He is more liked then most think and I could see him temporarily unseating Flowers . If big If that he does
end up at some point Starting at LT Imagine Flowers
may even Flourish and Improve the Run Game to respectability
Give the Guy a Chance before making irrational statements
I also hope they can add a back up Center ,,
Beatty was a good player who was cut A) to free up money for the moves they made this off-season and B) because the organization was trying to move on from injured players. I believe it also rubbed the FO the wrong way that Beatty didn't play last season after it appeared his pec injury healed.
Beatty is a talented player when healthy and motivated. While Flowers projects as a better LT in the future, I think Beatty is better in pass pro now. Beatty is without a doubt an immediate upgrade over Newhouse.
Signing Beatty for 1 mil is a no brainier given the state of the OL and the Giants got better today.
The posters who said the Giants would never take him back look out of touch with reality.
The offensive line is so bad they feel Beatty is an improvement.
On the plus side I think? they saved some money lol.
How many years has Beatty got left, even if it turns out that he's sensational right now? Not too many. Enough for Flowers to develop and get a shot at LT again. This all seems hopelessly optimistic, but what's not to like about it?
Beatty was a good player who was cut A) to free up money for the moves they made this off-season and B) because the organization was trying to move on from injured players. I believe it also rubbed the FO the wrong way that Beatty didn't play last season after it appeared his pec injury healed.
Beatty is a talented player when healthy and motivated. While Flowers projects as a better LT in the future, I think Beatty is better in pass pro now. Beatty is without a doubt an immediate upgrade over Newhouse.
Signing Beatty for 1 mil is a no brainier given the state of the OL and the Giants got better today.
Beatty at his height was a very good pass protector which is what you need first and foremost at LT. Many of us here wanted gim resigned and he got a strong contract due to a very good year previous.
He is a bit injry prone and there are questions about just how much he loves football. But if healthy and motivated , he should be an above average pass protector which will be huge for us.
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For a year, off injury, so its going take a bit to get back to par. People expecting to go right off the bat.
Should be ready by Week 12. Can't wait
You're a ray of sunshine.
First of all, it is a good move. Why? Because we have a tackle position with Marshall freaking Newhouse as the starter. And I'm sure Marshall is a nice guy, and I'm sure he works hard, but this is a results business, and Marshall was not getting good results. Not this year, and not last year, either.
And if Marshall Newhouse is your starter, then those backups must be even worse... and they are. When your starters can't score any points in approximately 4 quarters of football against the Bills and the Jets, and your franchise QB doesn't even have time on almost every snap to even get the ball to his first read, you cannot go into the season without doing something. It may work, and it may not, but you have to do something.
So Beatty might end up bolstering the OL, or he may never get on the field. But the status quo was a no quo. Criticize Beatty if you want, but he wasn't the one stinking up the field all preseason.
So everyone take a deep breath, cross your fingers, and hope he can give Eli the protection he needs to be effective at RT.
If they've guaranteed him $1M then he's very likely to make the roster, especially considering the reserves we currently have.
I prefer Apple over OL. Apple is 6'1" and the Giants need a tall corner to pair with RC who's 6'2". Jenkins is only 5'10" and taller receivers are going to exploit their height advantage (as evidenced by the Decker TD on Saturday). The Giants OL this year is the same as last year and last year the offense was not the problem. It was the horrific defense.
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admission that the mistake of not addressing the disaster of an OL in the off-season has presented itself. Like many, I wanted an early OL pick in the draft but I can honestly sat that I'm not unhappy with the Apple pick. He looks every bit the part but somewhere, somehow, I would have liked to have seen an OL pick. After coming up empty there I was certain they had a plan B in place but again, nada in FA. No use crying over spilled milk but what frustrates beyond descripition is leaving our franchise QB hanging out to dry in the autumn years of his career ...when he needs the best possible protection the most. The shitty play was evident last season and the personnel hadn't changed along the line, unforgivable IMO. I pray they can put this thing together with spit, glue and tape so that we can witness Eli flourish and make another run to glory.
I prefer Apple over OL. Apple is 6'1" and the Giants need a tall corner to pair with RC who's 6'2". Jenkins is only 5'10" and taller receivers are going to exploit their height advantage (as evidenced by the Decker TD on Saturday). The Giants OL this year is the same as last year and last year the offense was not the problem. It was the horrific defense.
You must have misunderstood what I said about Apple, I said I was "not unhappy" with the pick. And all you had to do was watch the Eagles game in Philly last year and most of last season then roll it all into this preseason to see that the OL is too often overmatched.
It's not an admission of a mistake. It's an ongoing process.
I'm suspecting Giants had targets on the OL in both the draft and FA, but the value relative to draft position and/or contract $ commitment wasn't there.
Bratty is back because none of the other options worked out and no UDFA gem was discovered in training camp. He's also healthy now and wasn't last spring when the cut was announced.
I mean, Tunsil fell but we didn't bite so who would you wants?
It is a passing league and the more solid DB's you have the better off you are on defense. Our defense needed a lot of help.
Perhaps Beatty's departure was less acrimonious than many fans assumed. And maybe, a few months after Coughlin and Flaherty left the building, some grudges began to abate.
Whatever Will Beatty may be, he's not David Diehl or Shaun O'Hara or Rich Seubert, and he's sure not Chris Snee. Coughlin and Flaherty seemed to love those guys, and stuck with them through good times and bad. If the grumpy old men were still running the show, I suspect Beatty's return would have been more controversial.
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admission that the mistake of not addressing the disaster of an OL in the off-season has presented itself. Like many, I wanted an early OL pick in the draft but I can honestly sat that I'm not unhappy with the Apple pick. He looks every bit the part but somewhere, somehow, I would have liked to have seen an OL pick. After coming up empty there I was certain they had a plan B in place but again, nada in FA. No use crying over spilled milk but what frustrates beyond descripition is leaving our franchise QB hanging out to dry in the autumn years of his career ...when he needs the best possible protection the most. The shitty play was evident last season and the personnel hadn't changed along the line, unforgivable IMO. I pray they can put this thing together with spit, glue and tape so that we can witness Eli flourish and make another run to glory.
It's not an admission of a mistake. It's an ongoing process.
I'm suspecting Giants had targets on the OL in both the draft and FA, but the value relative to draft position and/or contract $ commitment wasn't there.
Bratty is back because none of the other options worked out and no UDFA gem was discovered in training camp. He's also healthy now and wasn't last spring when the cut was announced.
You call it a "process" and I'll call it an experiment that's been ongoing since the last SB. Sure, there are those that will point to the various draft picks but in my opinion there have been reaches in the draft, poor evaluation on the FA side and the "process" itself started too late. We needed, and still do need, more cornerstone OL and we're still seeing the FO shuffling the deck.
NYG swallowed pride to reverse their course, and so did Beatty, to return for $1M.
Time will tell. I wouldn't rule out Beatty at RT. Let's see how Flowers and Newhouse fare while Beatty gets up to speed and into football shape.
I agree that WB opens the year as the swing tackle. That means he'll get 2nd team reps (at least) on both sides. Solari can take the evaluation from there.
So, now the front office has bitten the bullet and brought him back, will the coaches do the same and pull musical chairs? Fubar.
He doesn't have that kind of status to do that.
It's a bit disappointing to go in the reverse direction of a good decision, imv.
As in many things with BBI, the most accurate answer is somewhere between the two extremes.
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Now he's the savior.
As in many things with BBI, the most accurate answer is somewhere between the two extremes.
No doubt. I always liked Beatty, thought he was solid, not spectacular, and was paid for what he was- an average LT. Good in PP.
I'm all for this..Hope he has something left.