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Giants release Safeties Bennett Jackson and Cooper Taylor

Anakim : 8/30/2016 2:34 pm
Jordan Raanan & #8207;@JordanRaanan
The Giants released safeties Cooper Taylor and Bennett Jackson, per source.
Guess A Giant Life  
Vin R : 8/30/2016 2:35 pm : link
Won't have a happy ending
Another 5th round reach  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 2:36 pm : link
goes bust.
Well two young picks who did nothing  
SGMen : 8/30/2016 2:36 pm : link
I think Jackson is eligible for PS?
Elite Mobster will have a shit fit  
Anakim : 8/30/2016 2:36 pm : link
Can't wait to see
Excellent moves  
5BowlsSoon : 8/30/2016 2:37 pm : link
Two less injuries waiting to happen are gone. Thank you
RE: Another 5th round reach  
jcn56 : 8/30/2016 2:37 pm : link
In comment 13094414 jeff57 said:
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goes bust.


What the hell is a 5th round reach?!
jcn..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/30/2016 2:38 pm : link
code for another opportunity for one of Reese's biggest fans to take another swipe.
RE: RE: Another 5th round reach  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13094423 jcn56 said:
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goes bust.



What the hell is a 5th round reach?!

Picking someone who shouldn't have been drafted. See also Myyykellle.
Had to be done  
DavidinBMNY : 8/30/2016 2:39 pm : link
If Jackson is eligible for PS it's worth it to give him a shot there. I could see that. He can play multiple spots and be called up in a pinch. CB, Slot, and Safety. Maybe not well, but he'd be a good guy to keep around.

What is interesting is who has jumped these guys. I think it's clear Andrew Adams and Justin Currie jumped those guys and they are both UDFA. One of those guys might make the team.
Currie blows IMO  
DennyInDenville : 8/30/2016 2:41 pm : link
He looked awful.

Hope Thompson and Behre are the 3 and 4
MyKell Thompson*  
DennyInDenville : 8/30/2016 2:41 pm : link
Not to be confused with Darian
all those measurables gone to waste  
ColHowPepper : 8/30/2016 2:43 pm : link
Adrian Thompson we know is a lock, so it seems as though Behre, injury prone as he may be, is safe for the moment, along with Klaatu's Mykele Thompson. I'd have thought Currie would be first to go, shows what I know. Then there's Andrew Adams, AA as either Spags or BM calls him.

This would be primary go to today but for Will Beatty.
Goes to show how much better we are then last year  
Big Rick in FL : 8/30/2016 2:43 pm : link
Jackson was a starter last year at this time. Now he can't even make the final 75.
Addition of Beatty means 10 more cuts to go...  
TheMick7 : 8/30/2016 2:44 pm : link
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RE: Another 5th round reach  
Randy in CT : 8/30/2016 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13094414 jeff57 said:
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goes bust.
Pipe down, dick wad. Pick the best players whatever round.
Thought Jackson had a shot, but hopefully for both guys  
Jimmy Googs : 8/30/2016 2:46 pm : link
they can latch on somewhere.

In the end, neither was going to really contribute positively anyway...
Could the emergence of Adams have anything to do with  
Canton : 8/30/2016 2:48 pm : link
their release as well?
RE: RE: Another 5th round reach  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13094481 Randy in CT said:
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goes bust.

Pipe down, dick wad. Pick the best players whatever round.


Agree. And neither he nor Mykkelle were. But all the Reese defenders can do when they're provided wrong, from day one, is call names. Actually, they hurl insults when you say it was wrong on draft day, and continue to the bitter end.
RE: RE: RE: Another 5th round reach  
Klaatu : 8/30/2016 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13094434 jeff57 said:
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goes bust.



What the hell is a 5th round reach?!


Picking someone who shouldn't have been drafted. See also Myyykellle.


To you, maybe. Not to Gil Brandt.
Since I didn't follow OTAs and minicamp,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/30/2016 2:50 pm : link
was Jackson fully healed or still recovering?
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/30/2016 2:51 pm : link
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But all the Reese defenders can do when they're provided wrong, from day one, is call names


The fact that Reese "defenders" exist is only because of posters who illogically want to blame every bad move on him and give no credit.

So they use different names to be derogatory - "Reese defenders" Reese apologists", etc. Why is it such a bad thing to support the team you root for instead of wish ill?
They were really hyping Jackson at FS last year....  
Tesla : 8/30/2016 2:51 pm : link
before he hurt his knee. Plus he could play both corner and safety. Maybe he hasn't fully recovered from the injury.
RE: LOL..  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13094508 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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But all the Reese defenders can do when they're provided wrong, from day one, is call names



The fact that Reese "defenders" exist is only because of posters who illogically want to blame every bad move on him and give no credit.

So they use different names to be derogatory - "Reese defenders" Reese apologists", etc. Why is it such a bad thing to support the team you root for instead of wish ill?


Huh? You're right. He's never made a bad pick, a bad trade, or a bad move. Go team!
haha  
UConn4523 : 8/30/2016 2:52 pm : link
a 5th round reach, is there such a thing? Guy takes a shot on a player he liked later in the draft, news at 11. If you want to hate Reese for that, I really don't know what to tell you.
RE: all those measurables gone to waste  
Klaatu : 8/30/2016 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13094462 ColHowPepper said:
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Adrian Thompson we know is a lock, so it seems as though Behre, injury prone as he may be, is safe for the moment, along with Klaatu's Mykele Thompson. I'd have thought Currie would be first to go, shows what I know. Then there's Andrew Adams, AA as either Spags or BM calls him.

This would be primary go to today but for Will Beatty.


My Mykkele Thompson? You would also have to say my Justin Currie, too, along with Andrew Adams.
RE: Another 5th round reach  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2016 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13094414 jeff57 said:
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goes bust.


Just like 75-80% of what's picked in that round everywhere else.
And yet..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/30/2016 2:54 pm : link
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Huh? You're right. He's never made a bad pick, a bad trade, or a bad move. Go team!


Even there you don't acknowledge anything good. I guess the guy doesn't have 2 SB rings, right?

Boo, Giants! You suck!!
Always good to get rid of injury prone players  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/30/2016 2:55 pm : link
that haven't done much.
RE: Another 5th round reach  
giantgiantfan : 8/30/2016 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13094414 jeff57 said:
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goes bust.


Thats like saying a guy drafted in the 10th round of fantasy football was a reach...
Hard to take a poster seriously when they  
drkenneth : 8/30/2016 2:59 pm : link
think there is such thing as a 5th round "reach".
LMAO I thought '5th round reach' was initially a joke  
David in LA : 8/30/2016 3:00 pm : link
Most of the prospects this far back are far from finished products, and the odds of these guys making it past their first deal isn't particularly great. Unless you want to be a dumbass and cherrypick a few names we could have picked with 20/20 hindsight, this is one of the stupider gripes I've seen here.
Cooper Taylor really had to go.  
Mr. Bungle : 8/30/2016 3:02 pm : link
And it wasn't just the injuries. His angles and tackling weren't very good. Just this last game against the Jets, he threw his shoulder into a ball carrier, and of course just bounced off. Didn't even make an effort to wrap.

That's not how you play safety in the NFL. Or at any level, really.

I wish him well in his personal life, but I won't miss him taking up a Giants roster spot.
RE: Hard to take a poster seriously when they  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13094544 drkenneth said:
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think there is such thing as a 5th round "reach".

Adrian Robinson, Cooper Taylor, Mykkelle. Yes, if you take guys who have no business being drafted at all in round 5, it's a reach. That's how you miss the playoffs 6 out of 7 years. Seriously.
Jeff  
Anakim : 8/30/2016 3:06 pm : link
To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.
RE: LOL..  
Reb8thVA : 8/30/2016 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13094508 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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But all the Reese defenders can do when they're provided wrong, from day one, is call names



The fact that Reese "defenders" exist is only because of posters who illogically want to blame every bad move on him and give no credit.

So they use different names to be derogatory - "Reese defenders" Reese apologists", etc. Why is it such a bad thing to support the team you root for instead of wish ill?


I'm no going to tar and feather Reese for a 5th round pick that didn't pan out. Rounds 1-4 is a different story. If you look at the Taylor pick it looked like a worthwhile bet. He had good measurables and played a position of need.

That said, I would make a counter argument that the existence of "Reese critics" was only in response to the "In Reese we Trust" chorus that refused to acknowledge that poor drafting was killing this team.

I take you point Fatman. Some of the criticism of Reese has certainly been over the top and ridiculous, but that said some of his decisions are worthy of questioning.
Wish I had a dime for all the goodwill...  
M.S. : 8/30/2016 3:06 pm : link

...stuff written about Cooper Taylor on BBI.

Would be a very rich man.
Classy  
Anakim : 8/30/2016 3:07 pm : link
Bennett Jackson Jr. ‏@B_Jax2
Thank you @Giants for giving me the opportunity to play for this organization the past 2 years. Wish nothing but the best for this team #NYG
RE: RE: LOL..  
drkenneth : 8/30/2016 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13094568 Reb8thVA said:
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But all the Reese defenders can do when they're provided wrong, from day one, is call names



The fact that Reese "defenders" exist is only because of posters who illogically want to blame every bad move on him and give no credit.

So they use different names to be derogatory - "Reese defenders" Reese apologists", etc. Why is it such a bad thing to support the team you root for instead of wish ill?



I'm no going to tar and feather Reese for a 5th round pick that didn't pan out. Rounds 1-4 is a different story. If you look at the Taylor pick it looked like a worthwhile bet. He had good measurables and played a position of need.

That said, I would make a counter argument that the existence of "Reese critics" was only in response to the "In Reese we Trust" chorus that refused to acknowledge that poor drafting was killing this team.

I take you point Fatman. Some of the criticism of Reese has certainly been over the top and ridiculous, but that said some of his decisions are worthy of questioning.


The point is that all GMs have "decisions worthy of questioning"

and 5th rounds have a high bust rate.
RE: Jeff  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13094567 Anakim said:
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To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.


One time, okay. Three times over the space of a couple of years? Not okay.
Interesting. Berhe and Thompson sticking at least for now.  
Heisenberg : 8/30/2016 3:10 pm : link
Jackson and Taylor seemed like measurable/athlete dudes who couldn't stay healthy and weren't good enough when they were.
Can't post a thread so someone else has to  
Anakim : 8/30/2016 3:10 pm : link
Jordan Raanan ‏@JordanRaanan
The #Giants also released WR K.J. Maye and CB Joe Powell, per sources. Maye flashed at times. Saw some potential.
Wait  
B in ALB : 8/30/2016 3:13 pm : link
I just read right here on BBI that Cooper Taylor's preseason statistics were so good that he was virtually a shoe-in for a lot of playing time this season. What happened?!?
Should have drafted Tavarres King!  
drkenneth : 8/30/2016 3:13 pm : link
Big miss.
2013 Draft - ( New Window )
Jackson is definitely eligible for the practice squad.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/30/2016 3:15 pm : link
Although that tweet does read like a final farewell, I wouldn't be surprised to see him return in September.

It's not that unusual to waive a PS-ticketed player in the first round of cuts. I think they did it last year with Will Tye.
RE: RE: Jeff  
David in LA : 8/30/2016 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13094592 jeff57 said:
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To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.



One time, okay. Three times over the space of a couple of years? Not okay.


Accorsi squeezed in 3 "5th Round Reaches" (can this now be in BBI vernacular?) in a span of two years with Nick Greison, John Markam, and Jonathan Carter. FIRE REESE! ACCORSI!
King  
Carson53 : 8/30/2016 3:16 pm : link
looks like he has made this team, I didn't realize he was 26
until I read it yesterday. He has bounced around a bit.
RE: RE: Jeff  
Klaatu : 8/30/2016 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13094592 jeff57 said:
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To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.



One time, okay. Three times over the space of a couple of years? Not okay.


Here's a link to the 2013 draft

2013 NFL Draft

Please point out all of the great players Reese passed on to "reach" for Cooper Taylor.
RE: Currie blows IMO  
Carson53 : 8/30/2016 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13094447 DennyInDenville said:
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He looked awful.

Hope Thompson and Behre are the 3 and 4
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Maybe, but he made a big hit late in the game against
the Jets, denying a first down. That is really what
preseason is all about, making an impression on the coaches.
Jackson just can't seem to break the rotation  
JonC : 8/30/2016 3:20 pm : link
at FS or CB. Berhe sealed their fates, and Currie is rising.
RE: RE: RE: Jeff  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13094623 Klaatu said:
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To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.



One time, okay. Three times over the space of a couple of years? Not okay.



Here's a link to the 2013 draft

2013 NFL Draft

Please point out all of the great players Reese passed on to "reach" for Cooper Taylor.

Quinten Dial, Micah Hyde, Luke Wilson, Zac Stacy all would have contributed more than Taylor did.
RE: Interesting. Berhe and Thompson sticking at least for now.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/30/2016 3:21 pm : link
The cuts seem to suggest that the medical staff expects both Thompsons to be cleared very soon. Meanwhile, Adams and Currie figure to play a lot against New England, with a chance to cement a practice squad slot.
RE: RE: Interesting. Berhe and Thompson sticking at least for now.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2016 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13094638 Big Blue Blogger said:
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The cuts seem to suggest that the medical staff expects both Thompsons to be cleared very soon. Meanwhile, Adams and Currie figure to play a lot against New England, with a chance to cement a practice squad slot.


Mykkele Thompson practiced yesterday and today.
RE: Jackson just can't seem to break the rotation  
Big Blue '56 : 8/30/2016 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13094634 JonC said:
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at FS or CB. Berhe sealed their fates, and Currie is rising.


No one's answered my question: Did Jackson ever get back to healthy? Pre-injury, they seemed to be quite high on him last preseason
Normally, it takes longer than 12 months  
JonC : 8/30/2016 3:24 pm : link
to return to 100% on the field, Bruce. Specific to BJ, I don't know. Not sure he's athletic enough for CB not strong and physical enough for S.
Jeff  
Rocky369 : 8/30/2016 3:25 pm : link
were you spouting those players before the draft?
Shame about Jackson, couldn't stay healthy  
mfsd : 8/30/2016 3:26 pm : link
Taylor just isn't an NFL player
RE: Jeff  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 3:27 pm : link
In comment 13094655 Rocky369 said:
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were you spouting those players before the draft?


LOL. The goalposts continue to move.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jeff  
Klaatu : 8/30/2016 3:29 pm : link
In comment 13094636 jeff57 said:
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To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.



One time, okay. Three times over the space of a couple of years? Not okay.



Here's a link to the 2013 draft

2013 NFL Draft

Please point out all of the great players Reese passed on to "reach" for Cooper Taylor.


Quinten Dial, Micah Hyde, Luke Wilson, Zac Stacy all would have contributed more than Taylor did.


LOL, talk about "reaches."

The fact is that just like Gerris Wilkinson, Cooper Taylor was a talented kid who turned out to be injury prone. Rather than a reach, he was the type of player that you take a chance on in day three of the draft. There are no sure things in the 5th round, nor are there any reaches. You can kill Reese for a Marvin Austin or Clint Sintim in the 2nd round, or even a Jernigan or Hosley in the 3rd, but in the 5th? Puh-leeze. That's just "reaching" for something to bitch about.
RE: RE: Interesting. Berhe and Thompson sticking at least for now.  
Heisenberg : 8/30/2016 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13094638 Big Blue Blogger said:
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The cuts seem to suggest that the medical staff expects both Thompsons to be cleared very soon. Meanwhile, Adams and Currie figure to play a lot against New England, with a chance to cement a practice squad slot.


Yeah, I expect them to get time at FS, since right now it seems like it's the Thompsons is all they have at that spot and both show injury concerns. But injury concerns have been pretty common in this group.
RE: RE: RE: LOL..  
Reb8thVA : 8/30/2016 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13094591 drkenneth said:
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But all the Reese defenders can do when they're provided wrong, from day one, is call names



The fact that Reese "defenders" exist is only because of posters who illogically want to blame every bad move on him and give no credit.

So they use different names to be derogatory - "Reese defenders" Reese apologists", etc. Why is it such a bad thing to support the team you root for instead of wish ill?



I'm no going to tar and feather Reese for a 5th round pick that didn't pan out. Rounds 1-4 is a different story. If you look at the Taylor pick it looked like a worthwhile bet. He had good measurables and played a position of need.

That said, I would make a counter argument that the existence of "Reese critics" was only in response to the "In Reese we Trust" chorus that refused to acknowledge that poor drafting was killing this team.

I take you point Fatman. Some of the criticism of Reese has certainly been over the top and ridiculous, but that said some of his decisions are worthy of questioning.



The point is that all GMs have "decisions worthy of questioning"

and 5th rounds have a high bust rate.


Dr. Kenneth, are you capable of acknowledging that any criticism of Reese is legitimate? Any time anyone makes a post criticizing Reese you have almost a knee jerk reaction to rush to his defense. You did that in you response to my post. Your reaction was to say "all GMs have questionable decisions" implying whether intended or not that Reese is beyond reproach.

I can actually give Reese credit. I think this year's draft was outstanding. The draft didn't go they way I hoped but we got solid players. I applaud Reese for sticking with his convictions and selecting Apple rather than going all Cedric Jones and forcing a bad need pick like Tunsill. In a few year we will all be happy he took Apple.

I think Reese is very good at identifying talent at the WR, DE, and CB positions. For the most part his WR picks during his tenure have been very good. Nicks, Smith, Manningham and OBJ all produced at high levels. Hopefully, Shepphard will continue the trend. There have been busts like Barden but his overall record is strong.

I challenge you to say something critical of Reese.
These discussions always get poisoned by hindsight  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2016 3:32 pm : link
"They should have drafted the guy that became a real good player that nobody really saw coming!"
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Jeff  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13094670 Klaatu said:
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To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.



One time, okay. Three times over the space of a couple of years? Not okay.



Here's a link to the 2013 draft

2013 NFL Draft

Please point out all of the great players Reese passed on to "reach" for Cooper Taylor.


Quinten Dial, Micah Hyde, Luke Wilson, Zac Stacy all would have contributed more than Taylor did.



LOL, talk about "reaches."

The fact is that just like Gerris Wilkinson, Cooper Taylor was a talented kid who turned out to be injury prone. Rather than a reach, he was the type of player that you take a chance on in day three of the draft. There are no sure things in the 5th round, nor are there any reaches. You can kill Reese for a Marvin Austin or Clint Sintim in the 2nd round, or even a Jernigan or Hosley in the 3rd, but in the 5th? Puh-leeze. That's just "reaching" for something to bitch about.

More moving the goal posts. All those guys, except perhaps Wilson, were productive in a big time program. Not comparable at all with Taylor.
RE: These discussions always get poisoned by hindsight  
jeff57 : 8/30/2016 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13094677 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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"They should have drafted the guy that became a real good player that nobody really saw coming!"


It's not hindsight when you say at the time it was a bad pick. And I was asked who would have been better. So I picked out a few names.
RE: RE: Another 5th round reach  
djm : 8/30/2016 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13094524 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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goes bust.



Just like 75-80% of what's picked in that round everywhere else.


probably closer to 90-95% but you're point remains.
RE: RE: RE: Interesting. Berhe and Thompson sticking at least for now.  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/30/2016 3:36 pm : link
Eric from BBI said:
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Mykkele Thompson practiced yesterday and today.

Thanks Eric. I saw that he returned. Didn't realize he was full-go already. That's good news. Hope he keeps his head up, literally and figuratively.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Interesting. Berhe and Thompson sticking at least for now.  
Big Blue '56 : 8/30/2016 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13094698 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Mykkele Thompson practiced yesterday and today.


Thanks Eric. I saw that he returned. Didn't realize he was full-go already. That's good news. Hope he keeps his head up, literally and figuratively.


Did you mean Darian and not Mykkele?
And yet, after his performance during the Shrine Game and practices...  
Klaatu : 8/30/2016 3:40 pm : link
Taylor was drawing comparisons to Kam Chancellor - another 5th round pick - from Gil Brandt and others. Taylor would have been perfect - dare I say "tailor-made" - for the Deon Grant role in Perry Fewell's defense. He simply couldn't stay healthy.
I'm shocked by Taylor cut  
Mason : 8/30/2016 3:43 pm : link
Jackson not so much. He couldn't even get over the hump of M. Thompson since OTAs.
This one I got right  
Carson53 : 8/30/2016 3:50 pm : link
I wanted them both cut, after Currie made that hit
the other night, my instincts told me he would survive
the first cut. Lets face it, they saw Taylor on IR and little
else from Taylor.
RE: RE: RE: RE: LOL..  
drkenneth : 8/30/2016 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13094674 Reb8thVA said:
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But all the Reese defenders can do when they're provided wrong, from day one, is call names



The fact that Reese "defenders" exist is only because of posters who illogically want to blame every bad move on him and give no credit.

So they use different names to be derogatory - "Reese defenders" Reese apologists", etc. Why is it such a bad thing to support the team you root for instead of wish ill?



I'm no going to tar and feather Reese for a 5th round pick that didn't pan out. Rounds 1-4 is a different story. If you look at the Taylor pick it looked like a worthwhile bet. He had good measurables and played a position of need.

That said, I would make a counter argument that the existence of "Reese critics" was only in response to the "In Reese we Trust" chorus that refused to acknowledge that poor drafting was killing this team.

I take you point Fatman. Some of the criticism of Reese has certainly been over the top and ridiculous, but that said some of his decisions are worthy of questioning.



The point is that all GMs have "decisions worthy of questioning"

and 5th rounds have a high bust rate.



Dr. Kenneth, are you capable of acknowledging that any criticism of Reese is legitimate? Any time anyone makes a post criticizing Reese you have almost a knee jerk reaction to rush to his defense. You did that in you response to my post. Your reaction was to say "all GMs have questionable decisions" implying whether intended or not that Reese is beyond reproach.

I can actually give Reese credit. I think this year's draft was outstanding. The draft didn't go they way I hoped but we got solid players. I applaud Reese for sticking with his convictions and selecting Apple rather than going all Cedric Jones and forcing a bad need pick like Tunsill. In a few year we will all be happy he took Apple.

I think Reese is very good at identifying talent at the WR, DE, and CB positions. For the most part his WR picks during his tenure have been very good. Nicks, Smith, Manningham and OBJ all produced at high levels. Hopefully, Shepphard will continue the trend. There have been busts like Barden but his overall record is strong.

I challenge you to say something critical of Reese.


Of course I can be critical of Reese, I just choose not to be fucking stupid.

-I wanted Cordy Glenn over Wilson
-I thought we should have kept Martellus Bennett

Im sure there are more moves I didnt like, thats just off the top of my head.

If you need me to explain why bitching about a 5th round pick busting out is idiotic, then theres not much I can do for you.

I have news for you: All GMs have busts, thats just the way the draft works.

Reese has been very successful in the 1st round:

-He drafted one of the best players in the game in Beckham. You mentioned the success hes had drafting WRs.

-Hes rebuilt the defense.

The OL is still a work in progress, but every team in the league has holes. Teams all over the league have OL issues- Look at the Colts- They drafted the best QB prospect in a decade, and he gets his ass handed to him every Sunday. Bears, Packers, San Diegoall have OL issues.

If you want to replace Reese, Im fine with that. Im not related to him, I dont really give a shit. But, if you think a new GM is gonna start pulling Pro Bowlers out of the 5th round, youre going to be disappointed. Has he really missed on a 1st round pick? (Wilson?)

You have posters all over making huge leaps and assumptions here. Lots of stupid.

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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2016 4:05 pm : link
he had a scare today..grabbed at his Achilles area again, but stayed in practice.
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Reb8thVA : 8/30/2016 4:05 pm : link
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But all the Reese defenders can do when they're provided wrong, from day one, is call names



The fact that Reese "defenders" exist is only because of posters who illogically want to blame every bad move on him and give no credit.

So they use different names to be derogatory - "Reese defenders" Reese apologists", etc. Why is it such a bad thing to support the team you root for instead of wish ill?



I'm no going to tar and feather Reese for a 5th round pick that didn't pan out. Rounds 1-4 is a different story. If you look at the Taylor pick it looked like a worthwhile bet. He had good measurables and played a position of need.

That said, I would make a counter argument that the existence of "Reese critics" was only in response to the "In Reese we Trust" chorus that refused to acknowledge that poor drafting was killing this team.

I take you point Fatman. Some of the criticism of Reese has certainly been over the top and ridiculous, but that said some of his decisions are worthy of questioning.



The point is that all GMs have "decisions worthy of questioning"

and 5th rounds have a high bust rate.



Dr. Kenneth, are you capable of acknowledging that any criticism of Reese is legitimate? Any time anyone makes a post criticizing Reese you have almost a knee jerk reaction to rush to his defense. You did that in you response to my post. Your reaction was to say "all GMs have questionable decisions" implying whether intended or not that Reese is beyond reproach.

I can actually give Reese credit. I think this year's draft was outstanding. The draft didn't go they way I hoped but we got solid players. I applaud Reese for sticking with his convictions and selecting Apple rather than going all Cedric Jones and forcing a bad need pick like Tunsill. In a few year we will all be happy he took Apple.

I think Reese is very good at identifying talent at the WR, DE, and CB positions. For the most part his WR picks during his tenure have been very good. Nicks, Smith, Manningham and OBJ all produced at high levels. Hopefully, Shepphard will continue the trend. There have been busts like Barden but his overall record is strong.

I challenge you to say something critical of Reese.



Of course I can be critical of Reese, I just choose not to be fucking stupid.

-I wanted Cordy Glenn over Wilson
-I thought we should have kept Martellus Bennett

Im sure there are more moves I didnt like, thats just off the top of my head.

If you need me to explain why bitching about a 5th round pick busting out is idiotic, then theres not much I can do for you.

I have news for you: All GMs have busts, thats just the way the draft works.

Reese has been very successful in the 1st round:

-He drafted one of the best players in the game in Beckham. You mentioned the success hes had drafting WRs.

-Hes rebuilt the defense.

The OL is still a work in progress, but every team in the league has holes. Teams all over the league have OL issues- Look at the Colts- They drafted the best QB prospect in a decade, and he gets his ass handed to him every Sunday. Bears, Packers, San Diegoall have OL issues.

If you want to replace Reese, Im fine with that. Im not related to him, I dont really give a shit. But, if you think a new GM is gonna start pulling Pro Bowlers out of the 5th round, youre going to be disappointed. Has he really missed on a 1st round pick? (Wilson?)

You have posters all over making huge leaps and assumptions here. Lots of stupid.


Kenneth, I apologize. I shouldn't have called you out. I am having a very bad day and I just lashed out at you for no good reason. Please accept my apology.
No worries! All good. I would call me out as well! Lol.  
drkenneth : 8/30/2016 4:09 pm : link
Let's just enjoy the season. This is not a perfect team, but there isn't one in the NFL.

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81_Great_Dane : 8/30/2016 4:10 pm : link
Sometimes you get Ahmad Bradshaw in the 7th, and then fans get spoiled and think you should hit on every pick. It never works that way.

And before everybody pisses on the front office, remember that Taylor and Jackson were beaten out by D. Thompson, M. Thompson, Behre and Collins -- all draft picks.
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AcidTest : 8/30/2016 4:11 pm : link
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Taylor just isn't an NFL player


That's it.
Double A  
area junc : 8/30/2016 4:43 pm : link
Anthony Adams is going to make this football team. He really seems like a Spags guy. a good game vs. the Pats will clinch it for Double A imo, he better play like its the Super Bowl

i have to admit, i was pretty psyched about Cooper Taylor after Sehorn compared him to himself after we drafted him. Sapp compared Marvin Austin to himself, too..


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DanMetroMan : 8/30/2016 4:52 pm : link
Art Stapleton ‏@art_stapleton 56s56 seconds ago
Byron Stingily, Bennett Jackson and Cooper Taylor among the 11 moves today as #Giants get to 75.
TE Ryan Malleck waived injured.
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DanMetroMan : 8/30/2016 4:53 pm : link
Pat Leonard ‏@PLeonardNYDN 1m1 minute ago
#Giants cuts: S Cooper Taylor, T Byron Stingily, DB Bennett Jackson, RB Marshaun Coprich; WRs K.J. Maye, Kadron Boone; DB Joe Powell ...
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DanMetroMan : 8/30/2016 4:53 pm : link
Pat Leonard ‏@PLeonardNYDN 22s22 seconds ago
More #Giants cuts: OL Shane McDermott; DTs Davon Coleman, Greg Milhouse; DE Mike Rose. And TE Ryan Malleck waived/injured with burner
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FatMan in Charlotte : 8/30/2016 6:30 pm : link
isn't that Reese hasn't missed on picks. It is the incessant bitching about the guy and blaming him for anything.

People are routinely called Reese apologists or Reese supporters here, but how many threads are there about the great moves he's making? Meanwhile, there are a lot of threads about how shitty his moves are, there are trite little sayings like Jerry reach and Asleep at the Wheel.

If you can't see the difference between killing him for everything instead of both criticizing him and praising him then you are as fucking stupid as I think for bitching about a 5th round "reach".

jeff57 - name the last fucking post you had that said anything positive about Reese. If you can't, then it is you who is the idiot, not the "apologists" or "supporters".
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chris r : 8/30/2016 6:36 pm : link
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isn't that Reese hasn't missed on picks. It is the incessant bitching about the guy and blaming him for anything.

People are routinely called Reese apologists or Reese supporters here, but how many threads are there about the great moves he's making? Meanwhile, there are a lot of threads about how shitty his moves are, there are trite little sayings like Jerry reach and Asleep at the Wheel.

If you can't see the difference between killing him for everything instead of both criticizing him and praising him then you are as fucking stupid as I think for bitching about a 5th round "reach".

jeff57 - name the last fucking post you had that said anything positive about Reese. If you can't, then it is you who is the idiot, not the "apologists" or "supporters".


The Giants have been lousy for three straight seasons. Therefore the reality-based position is to be more critical than praising of Reese. Yet you never criticize him. Why is that?
Area Junc that's how I see it also  
Maineline : 8/30/2016 6:42 pm : link
AA has caught my attention in a couple of pre season games. He has a nose for the ball and is always trying to make plays. I noticed him in one game stripping the ball out when an opponent was stood up. The play did not stand but I thought I saw Spags coaching him up. Reminds me a bit of Will Hill hopefully without the troubles. Good Call.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 8/30/2016 6:44 pm : link
I do criticize him you contrarian fuckface.

I said just last week that part of the reason we are paying for having to fill holes are the poor drafts a few years ago. I said that Reese should have taken a look at TE's over the offseason.

But I don't sit here every post and make it about Reese. Try and find jeff discussing ANYTHING on BBI that doesn't get punted back to Reese being at fault.

There are actually posters who don't think everything is rosy, but they don't shit on the team every chance they can. You're probably too busy being a smarmy prick to notice.
Bummer about Jackson not producing.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 8/30/2016 6:55 pm : link
I liked him at ND.
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FStubbs : 8/30/2016 7:00 pm : link
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To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.



One time, okay. Three times over the space of a couple of years? Not okay.



Accorsi squeezed in 3 "5th Round Reaches" (can this now be in BBI vernacular?) in a span of two years with Nick Greison, John Markam, and Jonathan Carter. FIRE REESE! ACCORSI!


Hey Nick Griesen was decent.
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Mr. Bungle : 8/30/2016 7:21 pm : link
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i have to admit, i was pretty psyched about Cooper Taylor after Sehorn compared him to himself after we drafted him. Sapp compared Marvin Austin to himself, too...

I've given up buying into comments like that from former star players about prospects. Players aren't scouts. There was even a young guy who LT said reminded him of himself. And that player ended up so inconsequential, I can't even remember who it was.
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David in LA : 8/31/2016 12:32 am : link
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To an extent I agree, but you also need to consider that drafting a player late is also a way of securing his services.



One time, okay. Three times over the space of a couple of years? Not okay.



Accorsi squeezed in 3 "5th Round Reaches" (can this now be in BBI vernacular?) in a span of two years with Nick Greison, John Markam, and Jonathan Carter. FIRE REESE! ACCORSI!



Hey Nick Griesen was decent.


You're right, I take Greisen back. He had a decent career. My point remains that it's slim pickings this far back in the draft. It's the part of the draft where teams roll the dice and look past some red flags for who they think can be the best player. A lot of the times there will be whiffs.
adams has been looking good, however, saw him more as a free safety  
idiotsavant : 8/31/2016 9:57 am : link
perhaps nat berhe was a tad better at reading the action up at the line than coop was.
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chopperhatch : 8/31/2016 11:39 am : link
Expense.....well, sometimes I do, but I've been calling jeff a yutz for months. He's not a troll, hes just a dingbat
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Randy in CT : 8/31/2016 11:43 am : link
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Expense.....well, sometimes I do, but I've been calling jeff a yutz for months. He's not a troll, hes just a dingbat
But you're a cockfuck too, so there's that. Fuckface.
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