So I am in a 12 team league with a bunch of people.. a handful of them are friends of mine. A few are friends of friends. We have our draft tomorrow night and a couple of the guys in the league just basically admitted that they use the FantasyPros "Draft Wizard".. basically this is a paid service that links up to your draft and you input all of the settings and everything and it more or less tells you who to draft in real time.
It gives you the suggestion based on consensus "expert" rankings basically the way their website does.. it takes everything into account, your positions, what you still need, etc.. it basically takes all the leg work and thought out of drafting. I'm sure it's not perfect but for someone like me, who has done countless mocks and my own research and formed my own opinions of players.. I'll admit, it annoys me that people are using this.
It feels really fucking cheap and shitty. It's only a $50 league and I'm positive I can still draft a team of my own just as good as these stupid computers can but it still bothers me. Am I out of line for calling these dudes out and telling them I think it's essentially "cheating" ?
I'd be annoyed, but chances are they'd just sit there and make whatever picks were on the draft board built by that same company anyway.
And on top of that, the chances are also that you'll beat those computer generated teams.
i agree it's lame, but that's the world we're living in
The key is always....luck and hitting on some late round sleepers and good use of waiver wire
I drafted my 10 team league team the other night with nothing. I jotted down a few notes beforehand and referenced some rankings a couple times if I wanted to double check on recent news on a player or something but that was it. Meanwhile these guys are paying for services that do everything for them.
Whatever, I'm just going to draft a better team than theirs and talk shit the entire season and make them feel like losers.
It's based on "consensus" rankings.. so it takes like a whole ton of rankings and condenses them and averages them out.
No, it's not. Yahoo doesn't give you a short list of who to take every time your turn is up with a percentage.
its like using a sperm doner vs getting your partner pregnant. you get a kid at the end either way but its better if its yours even if it gets your crappy genes
Exactly. Worry about your own team and let the other owners worry about their team. Relax. Have fun. It isn't your job to determine the level of fun other owners are having.
I wouldnt say anything, though other than to make fun of them. I wouldnt make it an issue. But its annoying and cheap for sure.
Finally a topic to make me reactivate/recreate my account that has been toast since the hacking. Never really posted on anything but ff topics.
The guys you play with in this league might as well let the computer auto draft for them.
LOL.. I'm good, thanks for the useless input.
It was just a question since it's a money league. I was curious as to how other people would view it.
I don't think all of you really understand how what I am describing works since you keep comparing it to regular rankings. But it's all good.
Just seems weak to me. I'm not quitting the league or kicking them out because of it.
There is so much about fantasy football that you cannot control (novice or experts). Plus, what those sites cannot help you with is suggesting players by how some coaches manage their team, or whether there are a certain number of QBs already taken and if you want a good one you better take one now vs the WR that the site is recommending.
You can dominate your league if you study what each team/coach wants to do with their offense. Learn who the go-to guys are and I dont mean the obvious players that will go in the first two rounds. Stay away from players on certain teams and lean towards players who are on teams that will score a lot = more opportunity.
Dont waste your time with defenses and kickers until your last two picks
That being said, I don't agree with a lot of these lists and we all have our own opinion. At the end of the day, I think it only gives you a very small advantage. To me, fantasy football is 50% draft, 25% luck and 25% management. So at the draft, these programs(which aren't much different than the lists we use), gives him a very small advantage.
I'll get extra enjoyment beating this guy and I'll be sure to let him know about it.
What is the difference between bringing a print out and crossing off the names as they are picked?
Also, in that app, which i use to track the draft, yoi can go in and manually move guys up and down.
What is the difference between bringing a print out and crossing off the names as they are picked?
Also, in that app, which i use to track the draft, yoi can go in and manually move guys up and down.
The difference is that a cheat sheet doesn't sync up with your draft in real time and tell you who to pick when you are up based on who is left in the pool, what positions you need filled and who the best players available are.
I feel like it takes all the fun out of drafting and is really lame. But like I said.. I'm not going to leave the league over it I am just going to draft a better team myself and give them shit all year.
I feel like it takes all the fun out of drafting and is really lame.
Then those guys are missing out on the fun. I agree that drafting is fun. I am in some yahoo leagues and I do the mock drafts when I have time. You get that "fun" you are talking about as often as you want.
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You do know if say you have a league from cbs the cheat sheets you print from the sight are league specific right?
What is the difference between bringing a print out and crossing off the names as they are picked?
Also, in that app, which i use to track the draft, yoi can go in and manually move guys up and down.
The difference is that a cheat sheet doesn't sync up with your draft in real time and tell you who to pick when you are up based on who is left in the pool, what positions you need filled and who the best players available are.
I feel like it takes all the fun out of drafting and is really lame. But like I said.. I'm not going to leave the league over it I am just going to draft a better team myself and give them shit all year.
arc, I've used a few different versions of those tools myself (through free trials or other incentives) to test them out to see if I'm missing out on anything. Anyone who is using them without adding their own reasoning is not gaining any advantage on you.
Are they building a better team than they would on their own? Probably, but from a competitive standpoint what difference does it make whether a tool is doing it or they actually spent the time to come to that answer on their own. At the end of the day, you'll be better off from making your own informed decisions rather than going off a generic template, no matter how sophisticated it might be.
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You do know if say you have a league from cbs the cheat sheets you print from the sight are league specific right?
What is the difference between bringing a print out and crossing off the names as they are picked?
Also, in that app, which i use to track the draft, yoi can go in and manually move guys up and down.
The difference is that a cheat sheet doesn't sync up with your draft in real time and tell you who to pick when you are up based on who is left in the pool, what positions you need filled and who the best players available are.
I feel like it takes all the fun out of drafting and is really lame. But like I said.. I'm not going to leave the league over it I am just going to draft a better team myself and give them shit all year.
arc, I've used a few different versions of those tools myself (through free trials or other incentives) to test them out to see if I'm missing out on anything. Anyone who is using them without adding their own reasoning is not gaining any advantage on you.
Are they building a better team than they would on their own? Probably, but from a competitive standpoint what difference does it make whether a tool is doing it or they actually spent the time to come to that answer on their own. At the end of the day, you'll be better off from making your own informed decisions rather than going off a generic template, no matter how sophisticated it might be.
I guess because one guy in the league is bragging about how it won him "4 championships in 5 years" it's rubbing me the wrong way. But those leagues were probably filled with dopes. It won't work in this one.
Of course it's set up online. Again, you're going to tell me having a cheat sheet and crossing off players as they are drafted is the same thing as running a program that syncs with your draft that uses a bunch of algorithms and tells you who to take on a pick by pick basis? Okay.. I don't agree.
Think of it another way, any guy using this is likely doing minimal research so when some injuries strike or guys struggle (which will happen), he'll be underprepared to deal with it compared to everyone doing their own research.
But if you still get to build your team the way you like to, I don't really see the problem.
That's basically my main point. Like if one of these guys win now, everyone's just gonna make jokes about it and if their teams suck, it'll be even funnier.
My advice? Buy a backhoe for $4.99 or get to sweating.
I use the app. I use it to pre-rank my guys and manage the live draft to see who is taken or not. The tool is powerful. You can adjust it based on whether you value security or potential, and you can even prioritize positions.
To be honest, if they just download and go using the default rankings you are WAAAY ahead of the game. Their defaults aren't that good.
My advice? Buy a backhoe for $4.99 or get to sweating.
I use the app. I use it to pre-rank my guys and manage the live draft to see who is taken or not. The tool is powerful. You can adjust it based on whether you value security or potential, and you can even prioritize positions.
To be honest, if they just download and go using the default rankings you are WAAAY ahead of the game. Their defaults aren't that good.
I don't think you're talking about the same thing.. this site they subscribe to is like 20-30 bucks.
And I don't want something telling me who to draft. It takes all the fun out of it for me. I think it's just the principle.
Anyway, I'm really not that pissed about it. I was annoyed when I found out but I'm over it. Like I said, it just seems cheap.
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Are you a Luddite? Is this league set up on-line or do you get the stats from a newspaper and tally the scores at the end of every week?
Of course it's set up online. Again, you're going to tell me having a cheat sheet and crossing off players as they are drafted is the same thing as running a program that syncs with your draft that uses a bunch of algorithms and tells you who to take on a pick by pick basis? Okay.. I don't agree.
In terms of likelihood of success, they're the same. Essentially no different than auto drafting.
Unless the projections on that site are from the Sports Almanac in Back the Future.
These guys are not doing their homework and it's going to come back and bite them.
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You are pissed because you put in extra work to do your own analysis and then these guys show up with something automated. Like if you spent a day digging a ditch with a shovel and then a guy comes by next to you and does his with a backhoe and acts like he is more efficient. Well guess what? He is.
My advice? Buy a backhoe for $4.99 or get to sweating.
I use the app. I use it to pre-rank my guys and manage the live draft to see who is taken or not. The tool is powerful. You can adjust it based on whether you value security or potential, and you can even prioritize positions.
To be honest, if they just download and go using the default rankings you are WAAAY ahead of the game. Their defaults aren't that good.
I don't think you're talking about the same thing.. this site they subscribe to is like 20-30 bucks.
And I don't want something telling me who to draft. It takes all the fun out of it for me. I think it's just the principle.
Anyway, I'm really not that pissed about it. I was annoyed when I found out but I'm over it. Like I said, it just seems cheap.
The app for the draft is $4.99 on google play store or itunes. You are talking about a year long subscription to footballguys.com
I don't subscribe to that or anything else but if someone does I say ore power to them.
Also, it could be that the guys are in more than one league, so the $50 buy in may not be relevant.
A combination of expert rankings and a little personal knowledge is the best way to go. And the best part of Fantasy Football is NOT drafting your team. It's boozing at the draft live with your buddies. For a Father of two, I'd give anything for a night as an adult.
I say allow it. Accidents happen and not everyone who plays fantasy follows it religiously. That is why in the keeper league I am in the commissioner asks that people e-mail him their keepers as well because it allows him to double check if a situation like this occurs. He also posts his keepers on the message board pretty quickly so it is not like he is seeing who everyone else is keeping and then chooses his keepers
Merit? Honor?
It's fucking fantasy football.
I play it and enjoy it but come on.
Let him retract it. I'd rather it be an honest/competitive league then having one team destroy themselves before the season starts.
Merit? Honor?
It's fucking fantasy football.
I play it and enjoy it but come on.
Well said.