Left tackle is a premium position. 32 teams in the league and with only two weeks until the season starts, he had to "clear the air" with the Giants in order to get an offer. And the offer was $1.1M with $750K in incentives. Not exactly starting quality OT money, is it?
Money talks, bullshit walks. And the money says William Beatty is not a savior. Air quality has gotten nothing to do with it.
The Panthers and the Cardinals. It seems to me that Beatty really wanted to come back to the Giants, and if that's true, a call to Jerry Reese after the Jets game made a lot of sense.
Left tackle is a premium position. 32 teams in the league and with only two weeks until the season starts, he had to "clear the air" with the Giants in order to get an offer. And the offer was $1.1M with $750K in incentives. Not exactly starting quality OT money, is it?
Money talks, bullshit walks. And the money says William Beatty is not a savior. Air quality has gotten nothing to do with it.
Who says other teams weren't interested. People on here have already said they had heard he had interest from Carolina and Arizona.
RE: It still doesn't explain why other teams weren't interested
Left tackle is a premium position. 32 teams in the league and with only two weeks until the season starts, he had to "clear the air" with the Giants in order to get an offer. And the offer was $1.1M with $750K in incentives. Not exactly starting quality OT money, is it?
Money talks, bullshit walks. And the money says William Beatty is not a savior. Air quality has gotten nothing to do with it.
several beat writers reported he had offers (at least one others) and other interest. he maybe figured if he's going to be a backup why not be a backup close to home. Just my guess.
likes the way McAdoo operates. No idea if that also means he didn't get along well with TC, but having exposure to McAdoo already means he's a guy he'd play for. He also spent his time in the CT/NY/NJ area the last 6-7 years, so i'm guessing his preference was to not move his family.
So you think the main thing separating Beatty from an offer from the Giants was some air freshener?
I don't think the Giants were going to reach out to him on their own or ever planned on it. Right or wrong. That's why I was so surprised by the signing yesterday. But if he came to them, it makes more sense to me.
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL Aug 16
#Eagles had interest in OT Will Beatty. With Peters hurt, Lane Johnson facing possible suspension & Dennis Kelly traded it would make sense.
Jaguars Update @JaguarsUpdate Aug 19
Jaguars say offer to LT Will Beatty not indication of concern about Kelvin Beachum
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Former Giants OT Will Beatty worked out in Carolina today #nfl
A person would want to stay in the area he has lived in for several years. Seems like we at least matched other offers. He just had a baby. Think about that for a second. Moving to a new city with a newborn is not easy. New pediatrician, new nanny, etc....it's a bigger factor then most people realize.
But that's just teams doing their homework. And what kind of offers did he get? It doesn't cost anything to offer him a vet minimum deal with no guarantee of making the 53 man roster. If he had an attractive offer from another team, he would've signed it instead of waiting until August 30th to accept the deal with the Giants.
Teams were kicking the tires, nobody was courting him. He had added value with the Giants because he knows the offense, so it's only natural that they would be the team willing to offer more than the vet minimum. As for it being guaranteed, it was going to be guaranteed anyway once he made the roster for week one. And the incentive money is pretty paltry, too.
Nobody was saying "now there's a guy who can be our starting left tackle."
Milton, there was asshat info from the main Beatty thread
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL Aug 16
#Eagles had interest in OT Will Beatty. With Peters hurt, Lane Johnson facing possible suspension & Dennis Kelly traded it would make sense.
Jaguars Update @JaguarsUpdate Aug 19
Jaguars say offer to LT Will Beatty not indication of concern about Kelvin Beachum
The First Down @TheFirstDown Aug 18
Former Giants OT Will Beatty worked out in Carolina today #nfl
Exactly! All those teams, particularly the Eagles, in need of a tackle and none of them made him a serious offer.
It sounds to me like he was waiting for a team to offer him more than the vet minimum. When that wasn't happening, he gave the Giants a call. And the Giants were desperate for depth.
that he has a place in Secaucus, and I believe he just had a baby.
So he needed the paycheck. Players talk about location and loyalty, but 99% of the time it's all about the money. If the Eagles had made him a serious offer, Philadelphia is not far from Secaucus. But he didn't have the added value of already knowing the Eagles offense, so he wasn't worth it to them.
RE: It still doesn't explain why other teams weren't interested
Left tackle is a premium position. 32 teams in the league and with only two weeks until the season starts, he had to "clear the air" with the Giants in order to get an offer. And the offer was $1.1M with $750K in incentives. Not exactly starting quality OT money, is it?
Money talks, bullshit walks. And the money says William Beatty is not a savior. Air quality has gotten nothing to do with it.
The goal is to upgrade the line via starters or backups, and it would seem that his healthy addition would accomplish this.
Nobody was claiming he was a savior. Your first question was "why didn't he have interested elsewhere?"
He did. Don't move the goalpost.
I'm not moving the goal post, I'm clarifying it's location. And inviting him for a visit and making him a vet minimum offer doesn't qualify as interest in my books. More like curiosity. If the interest was serious, the offer would've exceeded what the Giants offered.
Enough of the negative comments, because there is no negative here. Low cost. Upgrade over all but three OL on the roster. Knows the organization and system. Just stop it with the negative crap. The problem isn't signing Beatty. The problem was not upgrading the OL during the offseason.
Enough of the negative comments, because there is no negative here. Low cost. Upgrade over all but three OL on the roster. Knows the organization and system. Just stop it with the negative crap. The problem isn't signing Beatty. The problem was not upgrading the OL during the offseason.
For real. Are we judging how good Beatty is based on how much the jags offered?
Beatty possibly not being ready for week 1, and being slowly eased back into things. Flowers just took all the reps last year, the entire off season this year, and will to start the season at LT. They will constantly assess but there's absolutely nothing to go off of to suggest Beatty is the better LT other than he played that position 2 years ago.
A person would want to stay in the area he has lived in for several years. Seems like we at least matched other offers. He just had a baby. Think about that for a second. Moving to a new city with a newborn is not easy. New pediatrician, new nanny, etc....it's a bigger factor then most people realize.
It's like the scene on the HBO show "Ballers" on Sunday.
Ricky was shopping his services to other teams and had offers but he really wanted to stay in Miami where he was born and raised and willing to take a little less.
They finally got him the deal that worked for him, but just as the episode ended, his agent called him with an offer from Los Angeles for more money guaranteed.
We will find out if he took the offer next week. But sometimes a guy just like to be close and not uproot if all things are equal.
And departed the Giants on "not-so-friendly" terms, so why would the number of teams interested not be small ? (Perception is everything)
Sounds like (from the reports of his work-out) that he's been working hard to get himself back into great shape. He did the right thing to protect his health, so now he's ready to play for the team he knows best.
I saw an interview (forget by whom) with Chris Snee. Snee was asked what position Beatty would play when he returned, presumably after the bye week.
Chris Snee was clear with his answer: left tackle. Snee said that Beatty had the experience and the technique to play LT, and that Flowers could move to RT. According to Snee, Flowers, at that time, was less effective than Beatty had been before the pectoral injury.
Anyway, don't be shocked if this switch happens some time later this season. I don't think it will, but if Beatty is looking good, and healthy, it could happen.
RE: We didn't sign him to be our starting LT though
I think Beatty's likely to be on the bench for quite some time, as veteran depth. That's fine, given what he was paid.
I don't know if he was promised anything other than a fair shot, but if you read his interview Beatty says he does not want to be on the bench. I don't think he would have signed if he was told he was going to be a backup
...and I'm not saying anyone thought he would be a savior.
I'm just saying that him "clearing the air" with Reese had nothing to do with it. It's just spin. He took the best offer he could get and he had added value to the Giants based on familiarity with the offense, so it makes sense that they would be the team willing to offer more than the risk-free vet minimum.
I'm happy about the move. If he stays healthy, he is an upgrade to our depth and important insurance against Flowers shitting the bed. I'm actually more concerned about Flowers than I am about Newhouse. At least with Newhouse, you know what you're getting and you can scheme and game plan accordingly. With Flowers, it's hard to know what to expect. And that's scary.
...and I'm not saying anyone thought he would be a savior.
I'm just saying that him "clearing the air" with Reese had nothing to do with it. It's just spin. He took the best offer he could get and he had added value to the Giants based on familiarity with the offense, so it makes sense that they would be the team willing to offer more than the risk-free vet minimum.
I'm happy about the move. If he stays healthy, he is an upgrade to our depth and important insurance against Flowers shitting the bed. I'm actually more concerned about Flowers than I am about Newhouse. At least with Newhouse, you know what you're getting and you can scheme and game plan accordingly. With Flowers, it's hard to know what to expect. And that's scary.
You need two sides to make a deal, Milton - maybe prior to reaching out and clarifying, the Giants had no interest in him whatsoever. His phone call opened the door to a signing.
Could just be team spin, although I'm not sure why they'd do that.
Those other "offers" must have been vet min. That shows you what other Teams thought about him.
I don't dislike the move by the Giants, Beatty is probably already better than any of the BU scrubs we have at Tackle. But, I just don't see the "savior" feeling that many are acting like. I can see his role as a 6th lineman in goal line situations and possibly replace our RT a couple of months from now.
NO ONE (who at liberty to say) knows what went on. I doubt they were all singing kumbaya, but I also doubt that mgt was slamming the door on his ass on the way out. He was an overpriced guy who had injuries. Cutting him was standard operating procedure for most teams.
It's quite obvious that the relationship wasn't as bad as almost every 'asshat' had us believe.
If healthy, the guy is a starter. Not a great starter, but a decent one. at minimum, a very good backup. health and attitude are the big question marks. after a season of coming close to getting zero dollars, I'm guessing the attitude has been adjusted.
...should consider his earnings from 2013-2015. A few 100K one way or another on his 2016 deal wasn't going to make much difference to a guy with career earnings north of $25MM. If he was desperate for anything, I would guess it was a chance to redeem himself and earn one last big payday next year.
Unless there's credible asshat information about the level of interest elsewhere, I don't think we can conclude much about whether the Giants paid a premium - or got a discount, for that matter.
...that Will Beatty's return was somewhat easier because Coughlin and Flaherty are gone. Kinder, gentler TC notwithstanding, those two guys are pretty old-school. And yes, I realize that Coughlin was fired before Beatty was cut.
we're in an age where athletes are expected to protect themselves. Beatty obviously protected himself. the 'asshats' claimed this turned the team off. the fans turned on him because he chose to protect himself (granted, this was kind of easy because he was middle of the road, or less).
do we really want to root for a team that doesn't have the employee's best interest at heart?
Beatty was injured in the offseason....and then when he tried to come back, he suffered another injury....
There are some that say he refused to play with that injury....but just how bad was it? Could he have injured himself more by trying to play with it? Can you blame him for refusing to play with an injury, if he felt that the Giants were going to force him to take a paycut? He could have injured himself more, with no chance of playing the following year, and also lowing his possibility of getting a better deal with another team....
Fact is, Beatty's contract was costly, the last few years of it.....and he was coming back from two injuries.....and he was on the wrong side of 30.....
Did Reese even offer him a restructure/paycut? If he did, did Beatty refuse it? Was there even a stipulation, that he might have to play RT? So did Beatty refuse a paycut/restructure? Did he think he would get more as a free agent than what the Giants offered? If he did, he was mistaken.....
We will never know the true answers to these questions, unless someone in the media actually asks them.....
Fact is, Reese let him go....and did not have a player on his bench that was as good as Beatty......
I have recently hurt my rotator cuff and it was minor probably just an inflammation of tendons. I could barely lift my arm up to put my shirt on. I can only imagine what an injury that requires surgery would feel like.
likes the way McAdoo operates. No idea if that also means he didn't get along well with TC, but having exposure to McAdoo already means he's a guy he'd play for. He also spent his time in the CT/NY/NJ area the last 6-7 years, so i'm guessing his preference was to not move his family.
Maybe the problem was with Flaherty, as long as we are conjecturing.
RE: RE: Milton, there was asshat info from the main Beatty thread
that he has a place in Secaucus, and I believe he just had a baby.
So he needed the paycheck. Players talk about location and loyalty, but 99% of the time it's all about the money. If the Eagles had made him a serious offer, Philadelphia is not far from Secaucus. But he didn't have the added value of already knowing the Eagles offense, so he wasn't worth it to them.
Part of it is money, but he might also not want to move so he can raise a family.
Money talks, bullshit walks. And the money says William Beatty is not a savior. Air quality has gotten nothing to do with it.
Money talks, bullshit walks. And the money says William Beatty is not a savior. Air quality has gotten nothing to do with it.
Who says other teams weren't interested. People on here have already said they had heard he had interest from Carolina and Arizona.
Money talks, bullshit walks. And the money says William Beatty is not a savior. Air quality has gotten nothing to do with it.
several beat writers reported he had offers (at least one others) and other interest. he maybe figured if he's going to be a backup why not be a backup close to home. Just my guess.
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Makes a lot more sense now.
So you think the main thing separating Beatty from an offer from the Giants was some air freshener?
I don't think the Giants were going to reach out to him on their own or ever planned on it. Right or wrong. That's why I was so surprised by the signing yesterday. But if he came to them, it makes more sense to me.
#Eagles had interest in OT Will Beatty. With Peters hurt, Lane Johnson facing possible suspension & Dennis Kelly traded it would make sense.
Jaguars Update @JaguarsUpdate Aug 19
Jaguars say offer to LT Will Beatty not indication of concern about Kelvin Beachum
The First Down @TheFirstDown Aug 18
Former Giants OT Will Beatty worked out in Carolina today #nfl
Teams were kicking the tires, nobody was courting him. He had added value with the Giants because he knows the offense, so it's only natural that they would be the team willing to offer more than the vet minimum. As for it being guaranteed, it was going to be guaranteed anyway once he made the roster for week one. And the incentive money is pretty paltry, too.
Nobody was saying "now there's a guy who can be our starting left tackle."
#Eagles had interest in OT Will Beatty. With Peters hurt, Lane Johnson facing possible suspension & Dennis Kelly traded it would make sense.
Jaguars Update @JaguarsUpdate Aug 19
Jaguars say offer to LT Will Beatty not indication of concern about Kelvin Beachum
The First Down @TheFirstDown Aug 18
Former Giants OT Will Beatty worked out in Carolina today #nfl
It sounds to me like he was waiting for a team to offer him more than the vet minimum. When that wasn't happening, he gave the Giants a call. And the Giants were desperate for depth.
He did. Don't move the goalpost.
Money talks, bullshit walks. And the money says William Beatty is not a savior. Air quality has gotten nothing to do with it.
He did. Don't move the goalpost.
For real. Are we judging how good Beatty is based on how much the jags offered?
It's like the scene on the HBO show "Ballers" on Sunday.
Ricky was shopping his services to other teams and had offers but he really wanted to stay in Miami where he was born and raised and willing to take a little less.
They finally got him the deal that worked for him, but just as the episode ended, his agent called him with an offer from Los Angeles for more money guaranteed.
We will find out if he took the offer next week. But sometimes a guy just like to be close and not uproot if all things are equal.
And departed the Giants on "not-so-friendly" terms, so why would the number of teams interested not be small ? (Perception is everything)
Sounds like (from the reports of his work-out) that he's been working hard to get himself back into great shape. He did the right thing to protect his health, so now he's ready to play for the team he knows best.
It's a win-win deal, now.
Chris Snee was clear with his answer: left tackle. Snee said that Beatty had the experience and the technique to play LT, and that Flowers could move to RT. According to Snee, Flowers, at that time, was less effective than Beatty had been before the pectoral injury.
Anyway, don't be shocked if this switch happens some time later this season. I don't think it will, but if Beatty is looking good, and healthy, it could happen.
I don't know if he was promised anything other than a fair shot, but if you read his interview Beatty says he does not want to be on the bench. I don't think he would have signed if he was told he was going to be a backup
I'm just saying that him "clearing the air" with Reese had nothing to do with it. It's just spin. He took the best offer he could get and he had added value to the Giants based on familiarity with the offense, so it makes sense that they would be the team willing to offer more than the risk-free vet minimum.
I'm happy about the move. If he stays healthy, he is an upgrade to our depth and important insurance against Flowers shitting the bed. I'm actually more concerned about Flowers than I am about Newhouse. At least with Newhouse, you know what you're getting and you can scheme and game plan accordingly. With Flowers, it's hard to know what to expect. And that's scary.
I'm just saying that him "clearing the air" with Reese had nothing to do with it. It's just spin. He took the best offer he could get and he had added value to the Giants based on familiarity with the offense, so it makes sense that they would be the team willing to offer more than the risk-free vet minimum.
I'm happy about the move. If he stays healthy, he is an upgrade to our depth and important insurance against Flowers shitting the bed. I'm actually more concerned about Flowers than I am about Newhouse. At least with Newhouse, you know what you're getting and you can scheme and game plan accordingly. With Flowers, it's hard to know what to expect. And that's scary.
You need two sides to make a deal, Milton - maybe prior to reaching out and clarifying, the Giants had no interest in him whatsoever. His phone call opened the door to a signing.
Could just be team spin, although I'm not sure why they'd do that.
I don't dislike the move by the Giants, Beatty is probably already better than any of the BU scrubs we have at Tackle. But, I just don't see the "savior" feeling that many are acting like. I can see his role as a 6th lineman in goal line situations and possibly replace our RT a couple of months from now.
It's quite obvious that the relationship wasn't as bad as almost every 'asshat' had us believe.
If healthy, the guy is a starter. Not a great starter, but a decent one. at minimum, a very good backup. health and attitude are the big question marks. after a season of coming close to getting zero dollars, I'm guessing the attitude has been adjusted.
Unless there's credible asshat information about the level of interest elsewhere, I don't think we can conclude much about whether the Giants paid a premium - or got a discount, for that matter.
goes against what I just said about relations not being that bad, but..... his play wasn't so bad that he shouldn't have gotten offers.
he's a BBI whipping boy, but he wasn't that bad. Wasn't good, but nowhere near as bad as the whipping post says.
do we really want to root for a team that doesn't have the employee's best interest at heart?
Beatty was injured in the offseason....and then when he tried to come back, he suffered another injury....
There are some that say he refused to play with that injury....but just how bad was it? Could he have injured himself more by trying to play with it? Can you blame him for refusing to play with an injury, if he felt that the Giants were going to force him to take a paycut? He could have injured himself more, with no chance of playing the following year, and also lowing his possibility of getting a better deal with another team....
Fact is, Beatty's contract was costly, the last few years of it.....and he was coming back from two injuries.....and he was on the wrong side of 30.....
Did Reese even offer him a restructure/paycut? If he did, did Beatty refuse it? Was there even a stipulation, that he might have to play RT? So did Beatty refuse a paycut/restructure? Did he think he would get more as a free agent than what the Giants offered? If he did, he was mistaken.....
We will never know the true answers to these questions, unless someone in the media actually asks them.....
Fact is, Reese let him go....and did not have a player on his bench that was as good as Beatty......
Maybe the problem was with Flaherty, as long as we are conjecturing.
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that he has a place in Secaucus, and I believe he just had a baby.
So he needed the paycheck. Players talk about location and loyalty, but 99% of the time it's all about the money. If the Eagles had made him a serious offer, Philadelphia is not far from Secaucus. But he didn't have the added value of already knowing the Eagles offense, so he wasn't worth it to them.
Part of it is money, but he might also not want to move so he can raise a family.