To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
The fact that your are evlauating Jennings and/or Vereen in this game is truly disturbing
To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
The fact that your are evlauating Jennings and/or Vereen in this game is truly disturbing
To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
The fact that your are evlauating Jennings and/or Vereen in this game is truly disturbing
Not really. I mentioned it in the game thread. No one saw Jameel McClain getting cut last year after leading the Giants in tackles the prior year. I dare anyone to say he was on anyone's tongue.
RE: I am rooting for Williams but Darkwa I have to admit has good ST
To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
I totally agree, I am not impressed with Jennings or Vereen. When you consider what those two are making, it doesn't add up with what we have seen so far in preseason. Vereen probably disappoints me the most, I think Rainey is way shiftier than him. There's no way this will happen but this would be my rotation:
Jennings/Darkwa
Rainey (third down back)
Perkins(redshirt unless there are injuries)
And Paul Perkins needs to work on his ball protection else he'll go nowhere in the NFL. No way Perkins gets cut as a rookie still learning but you can bet he'll be doing drills on ball protection in practice for the rest of this year. I think Perkins is a regular on the inactive squad.
Perkins is a lock and I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's our starting RB by Halloween.
He had better work on his ball security.
He hasn't really flashed and he has dropped the rock multiple times. It's concerning, but he is a fifth round pick. There's a reason for that. These draft "experts" throw out comparisons to guys like LeSean McCoy, and everyone gets excited, but some guys need more time. That being said, and I hope I'm wrong because he will probably make the team, I don't see a lot of upside for Andre Williams, his lack of vision is scary. You can't just bowl over guys in the NFL (eg. Ron Dayne), you have to follow your blocks but know when it's the right time to improvise.
I'd take Darkwa but I think they will keep Williams
Jennings, Vereen, and Perkins are locks. Sorry but a rookie learning curve is to be expected from Perkins and he plays specials. Williams has improved in pass pro a little but nowhere else. He doesn't play specials. He's been "trying to improve his catching" for 2 years now and still can't catch. Right now I'd keep Rainey over Williams.
and tell me that Jennings was the clear cut starting RB I would laugh at them. Perkins has been iffy this preseason and he had a better showing at moving off the LOS. Coming into this game Jennings had 13 rushing attempts for 21 yards. Coming off a -1 yard game against the Jets.
With Williams as they are doing with Cruz. Letting their past perceptions influence their present ones and the route they would take wrt the roster.
But I think that's wrong on both counts. Williams is not the same physique or runner that he was last year. Nobody has out performed him and he has outperformed most of the others. This year. Certainly, nobody has beaten him out, so you have to go to secondary or tertiary reasons to let him go.
Likewise, pretty much every WR on the preseason roster has played more and outperformed Cruz. If he was anyone else, he would have been gone two days ago.
So, it really comes down to whether we should make decisions based on what was, or what is.
You can make a case running back is our worst position talent wise on the entire team. And that's saying a lot considering our tight ends and linebackers.
You can make a case running back is our worst position talent wise on the entire team. And that's saying a lot considering our tight ends and linebackers.
I'm not super impressed with Jennings, but his salary is just over $2M this year, which is pretty low for a seasoned vet. The craziest one to me is Vereen, the guy makes the most of any of the RB's ($3.15M) and I am not impressed. For that kind of money for a situational RB I would expect much more.
Jennings, Vereen, and Perkins are locks. Sorry but a rookie learning curve is to be expected from Perkins and he plays specials. Williams has improved in pass pro a little but nowhere else. He doesn't play specials. He's been "trying to improve his catching" for 2 years now and still can't catch. Right now I'd keep Rainey over Williams.
How do you know that Williams still can't catch? How many passes have been thrown his way this preseason?
RE: I think, with different conclusions, people are doing the same thing
With Williams as they are doing with Cruz. Letting their past perceptions influence their present ones and the route they would take wrt the roster.
But I think that's wrong on both counts. Williams is not the same physique or runner that he was last year. Nobody has out performed him and he has outperformed most of the others. This year. Certainly, nobody has beaten him out, so you have to go to secondary or tertiary reasons to let him go.
Likewise, pretty much every WR on the preseason roster has played more and outperformed Cruz. If he was anyone else, he would have been gone two days ago.
So, it really comes down to whether we should make decisions based on what was, or what is.
Cruz helped us win a Super Bowl. He has earned the patience of the fans and the organization. Williams has done nothing so far for this team other than run into contact. That's the difference.
I can't believe that the bottom spot roster guys have looked better rushing the ball than the top guys. If you are a coach and fan that should worry you at least a little.
That's one way to go. With Cruz, I hope that you're right
If we had a choice between keeping an extra WR or an extra RB and the options were Cruz as the extra wideout or Williams as the extra RB, I would pick Cruz every time. Even if Cruz is out week 1 I wouldn't second guess, because we have better guys and could get another one with more upside than Williams. That being said, I hope Cruz comes back and Williams is the next Bo Jackson, because I'm pretty sure they are going to keep him.
He looked good tonight but in the last preseason game who can really tell much. Our bottom of the roster is better than your bottom of the roster..okay. Other than that, he's done very little. With Harris being a better returner, Rainey has no function on the team and, if people are going to only go by past history, he's not really got all that much talent.
I can't believe that the bottom spot roster guys have looked better rushing the ball than the top guys. If you are a coach and fan that should worry you at least a little.
That's one way to go. With Cruz, I hope that you're right
If we had a choice between keeping an extra WR or an extra RB and the options were Cruz as the extra wideout or Williams as the extra RB, I would pick Cruz every time. Even if Cruz is out week 1 I wouldn't second guess, because we have better guys and could get another one with more upside than Williams. That being said, I hope Cruz comes back and Williams is the next Bo Jackson, because I'm pretty sure they are going to keep him.
i agree completely with your last statement. I hope so too and I also think they keep both. But I do think Williams is much improved from last year and, unfortunately, I think Cruz is cooked.
than Williams or Darkwa ....
But who the hell knows but I have never been impressed
with Williams .
Darkwa runs hard but he has been fragile too with Rainey
you get a Decent Runner with some burst and good vision
he smoothe as a receiver and can Return Kicks and Punts .
I don't get the love for Williams ..
I can't believe that the bottom spot roster guys have looked better rushing the ball than the top guys. If you are a coach and fan that should worry you at least a little.
Tavares king out performed beckham and shephard and Cruz combined.
This preseason talk is killing me. It's worse this year than ever. Finally it's over thank Christ.
RE: If one honestly breaks down these preseason games
and tell me that Jennings was the clear cut starting RB I would laugh at them. Perkins has been iffy this preseason and he had a better showing at moving off the LOS. Coming into this game Jennings had 13 rushing attempts for 21 yards. Coming off a -1 yard game against the Jets.
you are really dumb. I'm just gonna leave it at that. Jennings is no Gurley or Bell by any stretch, but he is by far the most talented and multi-dimensional player in this group. His preseason consisted of getting hit at the handoff about 75% of the time so, yeah, he didn't look good.
RE: Prior to this game Darkwa was on many cut lists..
Now in a meaningless game with 10th stringers, he's suddenly back in the running..Only on BBI..😜
Yep, these opinions are solely due to tonight's game. Maybe some BBIers have him on their cut lists while others who are posting on this thread never have. BBI has a lot of different people. Thanks for your usual constructive contribution.
Darkwa just is a better natural runner. Williams has terrible instincts. As far as that position, I keep Darkwa, Vereen, Jennings, and Perkins. I actually hoped Vereen would be the guy we traded, and keep Rainey, but that doesn't seem very likely. Williams has been a huge disappointment. Time to cut bait.
Now in a meaningless game with 10th stringers, he's suddenly back in the running..Only on BBI..😜
I've always preferred Darkwa to Williams, and I'm not far from preferring him to Jennings. I think Jennings is going to become an aged and ineffective RB right before our eyes this year.
I can't believe that the bottom spot roster guys have looked better rushing the ball than the top guys. If you are a coach and fan that should worry you at least a little.
Not sure what's so special about 31 year old Jennings or Vereen. HB 's have to block, i get it, but they have gain yards too.
The guy is a huge weapon in the red zone. How many games last year when the coverage was good inside the 20 would you look to see if Eli could dump the ball underneath and let Vereen make a score.
The guy has gamer mentality, speed, hands, and proven success in scoring.
Jennings you could argue might slow down or lose a step. Vereen is 27 and still in his prime. He's a top 10 3rd down back and a great addition to the backfield.
I've flip-flopped on this - I believe the staff sees something in Williams that makes them think he is the best options for lead back if Jennings gets hurt.
Personally, I'd lean Darkwa over Williams, but I have a hunch it will be Williams who sticks
How do you know that Williams still can't catch? How many passes have been thrown his way this preseason?
1) There is a reason they don't throw to him.
2) The very few they did were dump offs, he dropped them. He looks bad when trying to catch the ball. Not a hands catcher.
Again I'll say I like Williams but not for this offense.
++All RBs need good pass protection which I think he's improved on. This is pretty much the only reason I like Williams for this offense.
+He can push a pile and pickup a hard yard or two.
-He needs a good hole to hit which this OL can't provide. There is no wiggle in his game. He's more of a power runner.
-A WCO offense places more emphasis on passing then running. The dumpoff is a large part of the offense and Williams is no threat.
-I don't think he's shown very good vision. He's still running into the backs of his OL. He's trying to power through.
-Doesn't play specials
Darkwa
--Pass protection still needs a lot of work. This hurts his case more than anything IMHO.
+He plays specials and does it well
+He's shown better vision than Williams IMHO.
+He's also shown he can get the tough 1 or 2 yards.
+He can catch which is very important for a WCO.
How do you know that Williams still can't catch? How many passes have been thrown his way this preseason?
1) There is a reason they don't throw to him.
2) The very few they did were dump offs, he dropped them. He looks bad when trying to catch the ball. Not a hands catcher.
When did they ever throw to him this preseason? I don't think they ever did, so your assertion that they threw him a few dumpoffs and he dropped them doesn't pass the smell test.
he did something we haven't seen a lot of this preseason -- he blocked really well and helped keep the pocket integrity for Nassib -- thus allowing him to make touch down plays
He did it consistently and well -- and was very active in protecting the pocket.
He also ran in the way you would like to see -- hard and with vision at the seam - even when there wasn't a lot of seam. It was absolutely the best performance I've ever seen out of him.
You want upside -- that's upside -- he's really improving his technique.
Darkwa can't do that kind of pocket blocking for you. I don't think he does have an upside, what he gives you is a good special teams player and an inconsistent runner -- who has some good runs and is admittedly an elusive runner --- however -- he is not as strong as Williams. Williams is in tremendous shape. I couldn't believe the way he was blocking last night. Bellichick threw some curves at the offensive line last night and WIlliams was up to the task.
I would definitely keep Williams over Darkwa.
I'm afraid we're stuck with Perkins so it comes down to
I really like Rainey except for the 2 fumbles (1 lost) in the 1st preseason game. He's 29 with no way to stash him. He has shown the most in preseason. Most versatile. Best inside an outside runner. Pretty good receiver and pass protector. Could fill in for Vereen or Jennings.
Williams is touted as the only "big back" but he and Jennings are listed at the same weight, and I heard that Williams has dropped weight in the offseason. He does seem a lot quicker and better able to get at least 4 yards per carry now.
My knock against Darkwa is that in the past, he would come in for 2 good running plays and do nothing the rest of the game. Also may be a bit injury prone.
I changed my mind about 3 times as I wrote this so I have to go with the draft pick Williams.
pre-season games, we'd be looking for 2 new QBs. I can't believe people are saying Jennings, a proven vet, needs to prove something in pre-season??? Brady certainly didn't look like the best QB of all time either. Its PRE-SEASON!!! Jennings is a good back, his only issue has been durability, which was ok last year.
Perkins is a lock and I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's our starting RB by Halloween.
He had better work on his ball security.
Indeed, 2 lost fumbles this preseason and a dropped pass
last night, that would have been a first down.
He will make the team though. Lets see what they do
with the trio of Williams, Darkwa and Rainey.
Darkwa saved a touchdown last night on that run back by Jones, on a punt return. I don't think Wing would have caught him, just an educated guess.
When it's crunch-time and we need to pass, Williams is the best at protecting Eli. Darkwa is much more dangerous and fun to watch and has potential on ST's, maybe, but coaches value The Franchise.
Even though he looks a bit better, he still had less yards per carry then either Rainey or Darkwa yesterday. He also has the lowest yards per carry then any other back in the NFL the last two years. He can't catch a cold and looks uncomfortable going out for a pass. There isn't anything he does that is even average except pick up the blitz. That is not enough for me to keep him. For you anti Perkins folks, don't get down on him too quickly. He has more natural running ability to make guys miss then anyone else on the roster,he catches the ball well, and will stick his nose in there and block.
other than Vereen, remember the win over Dallas last year? Darkwa came into the game like he was shot out of a cannon.
Added a spark to the Giants running game that had been missing all year. After that he got dinged up a bit, hurt his back and wasn't quite as effective. Excellent on ST, I'd hate to see the Giants lose him or Williams.. Don't need Rainey, have Harris.. Not sure if I'd risk putting Perkins on the PS, but ideally that's how I'd start off..
Darkwa.
Better natural runner. Runs with more determination. Makes something when there's nothing. Better receiver. Better on specials. There is really no choice except that JR has to protect himself having drafted Williams.
He'll be doing that with Flowers next year too.
Even though he looks a bit better, he still had less yards per carry then either Rainey or Darkwa yesterday. He also has the lowest yards per carry then any other back in the NFL the last two years. He can't catch a cold and looks uncomfortable going out for a pass. There isn't anything he does that is even average except pick up the blitz. That is not enough for me to keep him. For you anti Perkins folks, don't get down on him too quickly. He has more natural running ability to make guys miss then anyone else on the roster,he catches the ball well, and will stick his nose in there and block.
According to one site I saw it was 9 carries for 37 versus 10 for 35. So fewer yards per carry for Williams but in terms of total yards its not much different. Also, Williams last 3 carries were the last 3 offensive plays of the game when they were trying to run out the clock against a defense stacking for the run.
No. Just No.
To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
I'm with you. Perkins was really hyped up at the time of the draft and I'm disappointed.
2) Perkins
3) Dwarka
3rd down Vareen
To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
The fact that your are evlauating Jennings and/or Vereen in this game is truly disturbing
Perkins has his up and downs this preseason but they like his skillset. He missed time. Has to maintain control.
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To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
The fact that your are evlauating Jennings and/or Vereen in this game is truly disturbing
And silly
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value when his head on straight.
To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
The fact that your are evlauating Jennings and/or Vereen in this game is truly disturbing
Not really. I mentioned it in the game thread. No one saw Jameel McClain getting cut last year after leading the Giants in tackles the prior year. I dare anyone to say he was on anyone's tongue.
To be honest, I would take them both. I don't like anything I seen from Jennings this preseason. Not one damn thing. Not even tonight. He got outplayed by Williams, Rainey and Darkwa.
Vereen didn't look good himself and was bad on pass pro against backups.
I totally agree, I am not impressed with Jennings or Vereen. When you consider what those two are making, it doesn't add up with what we have seen so far in preseason. Vereen probably disappoints me the most, I think Rainey is way shiftier than him. There's no way this will happen but this would be my rotation:
Jennings/Darkwa
Rainey (third down back)
Perkins(redshirt unless there are injuries)
He had better work on his ball security.
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Perkins is a lock and I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's our starting RB by Halloween.
He had better work on his ball security.
He hasn't really flashed and he has dropped the rock multiple times. It's concerning, but he is a fifth round pick. There's a reason for that. These draft "experts" throw out comparisons to guys like LeSean McCoy, and everyone gets excited, but some guys need more time. That being said, and I hope I'm wrong because he will probably make the team, I don't see a lot of upside for Andre Williams, his lack of vision is scary. You can't just bowl over guys in the NFL (eg. Ron Dayne), you have to follow your blocks but know when it's the right time to improvise.
But I think that's wrong on both counts. Williams is not the same physique or runner that he was last year. Nobody has out performed him and he has outperformed most of the others. This year. Certainly, nobody has beaten him out, so you have to go to secondary or tertiary reasons to let him go.
Likewise, pretty much every WR on the preseason roster has played more and outperformed Cruz. If he was anyone else, he would have been gone two days ago.
So, it really comes down to whether we should make decisions based on what was, or what is.
I'm not super impressed with Jennings, but his salary is just over $2M this year, which is pretty low for a seasoned vet. The craziest one to me is Vereen, the guy makes the most of any of the RB's ($3.15M) and I am not impressed. For that kind of money for a situational RB I would expect much more.
Imagine us with Todd Gurley now, Beatty at LT, and Mitchell Schwartz at RT.
How do you know that Williams still can't catch? How many passes have been thrown his way this preseason?
But I think that's wrong on both counts. Williams is not the same physique or runner that he was last year. Nobody has out performed him and he has outperformed most of the others. This year. Certainly, nobody has beaten him out, so you have to go to secondary or tertiary reasons to let him go.
Likewise, pretty much every WR on the preseason roster has played more and outperformed Cruz. If he was anyone else, he would have been gone two days ago.
So, it really comes down to whether we should make decisions based on what was, or what is.
Cruz helped us win a Super Bowl. He has earned the patience of the fans and the organization. Williams has done nothing so far for this team other than run into contact. That's the difference.
If we had a choice between keeping an extra WR or an extra RB and the options were Cruz as the extra wideout or Williams as the extra RB, I would pick Cruz every time. Even if Cruz is out week 1 I wouldn't second guess, because we have better guys and could get another one with more upside than Williams. That being said, I hope Cruz comes back and Williams is the next Bo Jackson, because I'm pretty sure they are going to keep him.
They are facing weaker talent.
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That's one way to go. With Cruz, I hope that you're right
If we had a choice between keeping an extra WR or an extra RB and the options were Cruz as the extra wideout or Williams as the extra RB, I would pick Cruz every time. Even if Cruz is out week 1 I wouldn't second guess, because we have better guys and could get another one with more upside than Williams. That being said, I hope Cruz comes back and Williams is the next Bo Jackson, because I'm pretty sure they are going to keep him.
But who the hell knows but I have never been impressed
with Williams .
Darkwa runs hard but he has been fragile too with Rainey
you get a Decent Runner with some burst and good vision
he smoothe as a receiver and can Return Kicks and Punts .
I don't get the love for Williams ..
Tavares king out performed beckham and shephard and Cruz combined.
This preseason talk is killing me. It's worse this year than ever. Finally it's over thank Christ.
you are really dumb. I'm just gonna leave it at that. Jennings is no Gurley or Bell by any stretch, but he is by far the most talented and multi-dimensional player in this group. His preseason consisted of getting hit at the handoff about 75% of the time so, yeah, he didn't look good.
Yep, these opinions are solely due to tonight's game. Maybe some BBIers have him on their cut lists while others who are posting on this thread never have. BBI has a lot of different people. Thanks for your usual constructive contribution.
I've always preferred Darkwa to Williams, and I'm not far from preferring him to Jennings. I think Jennings is going to become an aged and ineffective RB right before our eyes this year.
Not sure what's so special about 31 year old Jennings or Vereen. HB 's have to block, i get it, but they have gain yards too.
Age or Youth?
The guy has gamer mentality, speed, hands, and proven success in scoring.
Jennings you could argue might slow down or lose a step. Vereen is 27 and still in his prime. He's a top 10 3rd down back and a great addition to the backfield.
One guy can't rush the ball, the other can't catch, the other can't block. Nobody stands out IMO.
One guy can't rush the ball, the other can't catch, the other can't block. Nobody stands out IMO.
He averages a yard more per carry than Williams in his career and had the same ypc as Darkwa did last year.
Williams
Perkins
I've flip-flopped on this - I believe the staff sees something in Williams that makes them think he is the best options for lead back if Jennings gets hurt.
Personally, I'd lean Darkwa over Williams, but I have a hunch it will be Williams who sticks
I think the coaches see him as a better alternate on short yardage than Darkwa.
Rainey looks great against guys who will not be in the NFL, but he is a smaller, slower, less talented version of Perkins
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How about an HB who can do it all and a backup?
One guy can't rush the ball, the other can't catch, the other can't block. Nobody stands out IMO.
He averages a yard more per carry than Williams in his career and had the same ypc as Darkwa did last year.
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1) There is a reason they don't throw to him.
2) The very few they did were dump offs, he dropped them. He looks bad when trying to catch the ball. Not a hands catcher.
Again I'll say I like Williams but not for this offense.
++All RBs need good pass protection which I think he's improved on. This is pretty much the only reason I like Williams for this offense.
+He can push a pile and pickup a hard yard or two.
-He needs a good hole to hit which this OL can't provide. There is no wiggle in his game. He's more of a power runner.
-A WCO offense places more emphasis on passing then running. The dumpoff is a large part of the offense and Williams is no threat.
-I don't think he's shown very good vision. He's still running into the backs of his OL. He's trying to power through.
-Doesn't play specials
Darkwa
--Pass protection still needs a lot of work. This hurts his case more than anything IMHO.
+He plays specials and does it well
+He's shown better vision than Williams IMHO.
+He's also shown he can get the tough 1 or 2 yards.
+He can catch which is very important for a WCO.
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How about an HB who can do it all and a backup?
One guy can't rush the ball, the other can't catch, the other can't block. Nobody stands out IMO.
He averages a yard more per carry than Williams in his career and had the same ypc as Darkwa did last year.
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What is your point other than to be a whinny douchenozzle then?
Yeah, it'd be better if we had Adrian Peterson. You dope.
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How do you know that Williams still can't catch? How many passes have been thrown his way this preseason?
1) There is a reason they don't throw to him.
2) The very few they did were dump offs, he dropped them. He looks bad when trying to catch the ball. Not a hands catcher.
When did they ever throw to him this preseason? I don't think they ever did, so your assertion that they threw him a few dumpoffs and he dropped them doesn't pass the smell test.
He did it consistently and well -- and was very active in protecting the pocket.
He also ran in the way you would like to see -- hard and with vision at the seam - even when there wasn't a lot of seam. It was absolutely the best performance I've ever seen out of him.
You want upside -- that's upside -- he's really improving his technique.
Darkwa can't do that kind of pocket blocking for you. I don't think he does have an upside, what he gives you is a good special teams player and an inconsistent runner -- who has some good runs and is admittedly an elusive runner --- however -- he is not as strong as Williams. Williams is in tremendous shape. I couldn't believe the way he was blocking last night. Bellichick threw some curves at the offensive line last night and WIlliams was up to the task.
I would definitely keep Williams over Darkwa.
I really like Rainey except for the 2 fumbles (1 lost) in the 1st preseason game. He's 29 with no way to stash him. He has shown the most in preseason. Most versatile. Best inside an outside runner. Pretty good receiver and pass protector. Could fill in for Vereen or Jennings.
Williams is touted as the only "big back" but he and Jennings are listed at the same weight, and I heard that Williams has dropped weight in the offseason. He does seem a lot quicker and better able to get at least 4 yards per carry now.
My knock against Darkwa is that in the past, he would come in for 2 good running plays and do nothing the rest of the game. Also may be a bit injury prone.
I changed my mind about 3 times as I wrote this so I have to go with the draft pick Williams.
How about an HB who can do it all and a backup?
One guy can't rush the ball, the other can't catch, the other can't block. Nobody stands out IMO.
He averages a yard more per carry than Williams in his career and had the same ypc as Darkwa did last year.
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What is your point other than to be a whinny douchenozzle then?
Yeah, it'd be better if we had Adrian Peterson. You dope.
Praising Vereen's rushing average is "douchenozzle". Wow, he has a higher average than Wiliams. That's really special.
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Perkins is a lock and I wouldn't be even remotely surprised if he's our starting RB by Halloween.
He had better work on his ball security.
Indeed, 2 lost fumbles this preseason and a dropped pass
last night, that would have been a first down.
He will make the team though. Lets see what they do
with the trio of Williams, Darkwa and Rainey.
Darkwa saved a touchdown last night on that run back by Jones, on a punt return. I don't think Wing would have caught him, just an educated guess.
If they didn't have Harris here, might be different.
Why do you feel Perkins is a given? What has he shown this pre season to wow you?
Added a spark to the Giants running game that had been missing all year. After that he got dinged up a bit, hurt his back and wasn't quite as effective. Excellent on ST, I'd hate to see the Giants lose him or Williams.. Don't need Rainey, have Harris.. Not sure if I'd risk putting Perkins on the PS, but ideally that's how I'd start off..
2 months sure as hell isn't enough time to know that Perkins isn't good. He's not getting cut.
Better natural runner. Runs with more determination. Makes something when there's nothing. Better receiver. Better on specials. There is really no choice except that JR has to protect himself having drafted Williams.
He'll be doing that with Flowers next year too.