(? I think) predicted this as his camp surprise (Kelvin Sheppard wins the starting MIKE role) and I thought he had a better chance of being cut than this happening.
this only shows Carl Banks knows more than me. LOL.
If they really felt good about him they wouldn't need to do this. I also now see zero reason to keep Logan on the PS, Johnson basically has his spot now. Open up the PS slot to a young kid.
There is no way the Giants are carrying 3 qb's....
I agree. I think there's something else going on. Either a Nassib drop or trade. TE/OL seems plausible. Seems strange to drop the apparently 2nd MLB just to bring in a practice dummy.
and Josh Johnson can do that better than Logan Thomas?
I don't know what J Johnson looks like, maybe he has the same hair color and eyes. Same height and weight. Went to school together. Live in same town and have the same fav food?
Prescott and Johnson are far more elusive runners than Thomas
Logan Thomas will be let go from the PS now that Johnson is on the roster. They have a similar skill set and Johnson is obviously the better passer but Thomas has much better size.
and Josh Johnson can do that better than Logan Thomas?
I don't know what J Johnson looks like, maybe he has the same hair color and eyes. Same height and weight. Went to school together. Live in same town and have the same fav food?
Josh Johnson is a 31 year old career backup (mostly) on his 11th tea who hasn't been on an active NFL roster in three seasons or thrown a pass in a game in 5 years.
he is not a running QB anymore (and wasn't really ever) and never had as strong an arm as Thomas.
but..as usual and I'm not being flippant here, Reese and co know far more than us fans.
is now on his 11th team in 8 years, and hasn't thrown a pass in an NFL regular season game since 2012. Yuck, seems like a waste. Must just be a replacement for Thomas, but they both seem equally sucky to me.
is a brutal indictment of Nassib. They obviously don't trust him. Johnson is a veteran presence who they think can do a better job of leading the Giants once he learns the offense. In the interim, they have to carry three QBs, so Brinkley had to go. Nassib basically forced Brinkley off the roster.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Nassib released once Johnson learns the offense, especially if we have injuries and need to promote someone from the PS as a result. Nassib is in the last year of his rookie contract, so the cap hit from releasing him would be negligible.
this is his 2nd go round here, he was here for about
a week or so last summer I seem to recall? He was let go
well before preseason. I doubt he will be here long.
They need to find another O Lineman or TE, at least.
this is his 2nd go round here, he was here for about
a week or so last summer I seem to recall? He was let go
well before preseason. I doubt he will be here long.
They need to find another O Lineman or TE, at least.
is a brutal indictment of Nassib. They obviously don't trust him. Johnson is a veteran presence who they think can do a better job of leading the Giants once he learns the offense. In the interim, they have to carry three QBs, so Brinkley had to go. Nassib basically forced Brinkley off the roster.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Nassib released once Johnson learns the offense, especially if we have injuries and need to promote someone from the PS as a result. Nassib is in the last year of his rookie contract, so the cap hit from releasing him would be negligible.
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Nassib is a brutal indictment of Nassib. I am not sure
I have ever seen a QB with less of an internal clock...
and someone who can't feel pressure when the defender is a
yard or two away. It wouldn't bother me if they get rid
of Nassib, I've stated he is hot garbage.
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
this is his 2nd go round here, he was here for about
a week or so last summer I seem to recall? He was let go
well before preseason. I doubt he will be here long.
They need to find another O Lineman or TE, at least.
is part of the longer team solution than just one week it doesn't make much sense.
If the Giants reached the final conclusion on Nassib and it's not good, why not sign someone like Matt Flynn who is a FA, and has experience and at least mild success in this offense.
Johnson has bounced around to 10 NFL teams and an arena team. I think the book on him is written.
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
is part of the longer team solution than just one week it doesn't make much sense.
If the Giants reached the final conclusion on Nassib and it's not good, why not sign someone like Matt Flynn who is a FA, and has experience and at least mild success in this offense.
Johnson has bounced around to 10 NFL teams and an arena team. I think the book on him is written.
I agree. Bottom line,if Eli goes down,we're sunk. There's no Jeff Hostetler in the wings!
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Exactly.. and I was throwing bricks at the TV the moment we drafted him. I really wonder how much this pick was due to TC vs Reese. I would be ok if we don't draft another guy from Syracuse or BC for the next 10 years. Other than Snee those selections have absolutely sucked.
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
If McCants is still in the league that's more an indictment of Flaherty, I think. The one guy that goes elsewhere develops to the point where he actually has an NFL career? Sheeze.
and his extended playing time, I've grown to think less of his future here, if he had any to begin with ):
It wasn't only that he had some abysmal stretches of play, was inaccurate in his long throws, much better on the short throws and slants where he needed to whip them in, little pocket awareness, and virtually no escapability--in fact, in Eli and Nassib, the Giants may have the least mobile QB combo in the NFL--it was his demeanor.
Sitting on the bench with Sullivan to go over his decision making, reads, and throws, Nassib had what I'm going to call a very flat affect. He did not seem invested in the analysis, the discussion Sullivan was trying to have, it was a bare nod of acknowledgement and that was it. No questions, no animated dialogue, no disagreement. He looked like a guy who has sat behind a very good NFL QB for three years and doesn't harbor much of hope to ascend in his profession. He looked to me to be disinterested.
That's what I saw; and of course it's all speculation on my part, but that's how I read the body action and (lack of) exchanges between him and his OC. That's not good.
I agree. Bottom line,if Eli goes down,we're sunk. There's no Jeff Hostetler in the wings!
That is flawed thinking. Sure, if Eli goes down for the year, no one on the roster can save us, but what if he is out for 3-4 games? You need someone who can get you a win or 2. I don't think Nassub is that guy. That said, I'm not sure Josh Johnson is either, but I'd be surprised if this move were made solely for scout team reasons. We'll find out soon enough.
You have a backup QB who you have seen ability in but has fattened up without any competition playing behind the most reliable guy in the game and has clearly regressed. They still believe in him but need to motivate. So you don't dish out big bucks for a name guy because it is more about the guy you already have, and the guy you bring in can help run some scout team looks but more importantly send a warning shot in the direction of your back up as a message to get his shit together that holding a clip board won't cut it.
This team is a runaway train headed for Tiptonville
like unicorns in the NFL and acquired for way over expected prices, if Josh Johnson had talent how do you explain this being his 11th NFL team and 12th team overall if you include his stint in the USFL where most talented QB's stop off.
like unicorns in the NFL and acquired for way over expected prices, if Josh Johnson had talent how do you explain this being his 11th NFL team and 12th team overall if you include his stint in the USFL where most talented QB's stop off.
Sorry, not the USFL, he's not that old, the even better UFL (Sacramento Mountain Lions)
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McAdoo: Josh Johnson competition for Nassib #Giants
I'm just confused as to why they didn't get a BETTER QB then. Like Matt Barkley or Kevin Hogan or even Aaron Murray. Johnson isn't very good.
Why did he wait until now to decide to give Nassib real competition? He had all spring and summer. Maybe I gotten so use to how Coughlin handles a roster from year to year but is this normal?
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
It's not defensible when you have a franchise QB who doesn't miss games.
Why did he wait until now to decide to give Nassib real competition? He had all spring and summer. Maybe I gotten so use to how Coughlin handles a roster from year to year but is this normal?
Because other QBs were still in camp. Where would they find a QB to bring in before cut day?
Let go our best LB (which isn't saying much) for a retread QB that no one else wants. I don't get it. Unless maybe Nassib is hurt. Or god forbid you know who.
Let go our best LB (which isn't saying much) for a retread QB that no one else wants. I don't get it. Unless maybe Nassib is hurt. Or god forbid you know who.
I bet you $1000 Giants don't think Brinkley was their best LB. Or in the top 6.
Have no idea what they see in the QB (vs other options) but the kid on the PS is a goner IMO. And Nassib is in trouble.
Let go our best LB (which isn't saying much) for a retread QB that no one else wants. I don't get it. Unless maybe Nassib is hurt. Or god forbid you know who.
I don't know if he is our best LB, but it is odd we release a LB who was our starter last season and has had an ok preseason for a QB that will be on the roster for only one week.
Let go our best LB (which isn't saying much) for a retread QB that no one else wants. I don't get it. Unless maybe Nassib is hurt. Or god forbid you know who.
I don't know if he is our best LB, but it is odd we release a LB who was our starter last season and has had an ok preseason for a QB that will be on the roster for only one week.
Come on, they were never going to keep 8 LBs. Somebody was stealing time and looks like Brinkley was that guy.
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
It's not defensible when you have a franchise QB who doesn't miss games.
i see this a lot and it makes absolutely no sense. Injuries are random. Just because Eli hasn't missed a game, doesn't mean his season, or even career, doesn't end tomorrow. Peyton never missed any games either....until he did.
I don't know if picking Nassib was the best move, but I do know that not picking him or or critic sing his inexperience or any other comment that is predicated on Eli never getting hurt, is fallacious reasoning.
People have clearly overestimated Brinkley. At least compared to the team had him rated. Also, the team was never going to keep 8 LBs, so it was only a matter of time regardless.
Agree. The Giants releasing their "best" LB is about equal to
been sitting on the bench for a few years behind the most reliable signal caller in the game and not faced any true competition regresses, team signs cheap arm who is not likely any legitimate long term option == motivational tactic.
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
It's not defensible when you have a franchise QB who doesn't miss games.
i see this a lot and it makes absolutely no sense. Injuries are random. Just because Eli hasn't missed a game, doesn't mean his season, or even career, doesn't end tomorrow. Peyton never missed any games either....until he did.
I don't know if picking Nassib was the best move, but I do know that not picking him or or critic sing his inexperience or any other comment that is predicated on Eli never getting hurt, is fallacious reasoning.
If you have a franchise QB and he goes down, a backup QB isn't going to save your season. So if you're consistently using mid to late round picks on developmental QBs "just in case" your franchise QB goes down, you're wasting valuable resources on guys who won't impact your team long term -- and you're stripping yourself of the opportunity to take a guy at another position who actually could impact.
The situation with Eli makes selecting developmental QBs even worse. If you have a QB like Ben R who has a history of getting dinged and missing time, then I get taking a flier on a guy even though I don't agree with it. Having a franchise QB should carry the ancillary benefit of not having to waste resources on the position. The Giants have wasted a 4th and a 6th on Nassib, a 5th on Bomar, a 6th on Woodson, and another pick to acquire Sage Rosenfels from the Vikings. Zero ROI when those picks could been used to gamble on other guys who could actually impact.
Re: the current move of cutting Brinkley for a trash 3rd string QB -- I don't see the logic behind it. Brinkley actually made some plays last year with a bad defense around him. So we cut a guy who is decent depth at a minimum for a guy who won't ever play and shouldn't even be on a 53 man roster?
apparently claim they've bee saying since OTA's McAdoo wanted 3 QB's, and it now they claim meant on the 53-man not the one on the PS like Thomas.
So some are claiming "see we told you".
I have a hard time buying it. If Eli goes down I do not see Josh Johnson (or Nassib for that matter) as a difference maker, and I believe the season is pretty much over. I hate 3 QB's on the 53-man roster - especially when one of them is not a rookie/young developmental guy like in New England. I thought the Pats over-played their hand, but I'm pretty sure now they'll flip Garoppolo for a 1st or two and they have their new backup with Brissett. That's IMO what Reese was trying to do with Nassib, but he fell for a reason it seems.
if they want a guy to "hold down the fort" for an extended time frame if Eli is short-term injured it seems like a Matt Flynn, TJ Yates, etc. type who has had NFL success, maybe been in a playoff game and is familiar with the offense makes more sense.
RE: This is 100% about giving Nassib a kick in the butt
You have a backup QB who you have seen ability in but has fattened up without any competition playing behind the most reliable guy in the game and has clearly regressed. They still believe in him but need to motivate. ...more importantly send a warning shot in the direction of your back up as a message to get his shit together that holding a clip board won't cut it.
UA, this tends to lend some support to what I posted in my 12:15 PM, which read in part:
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...Sitting on the bench with Sullivan to go over his decision making, reads, and throws, Nassib had what I'm going to call a very flat affect. He did not seem invested in the analysis, the discussion Sullivan was trying to have, it was a bare nod of acknowledgement and that was it. No questions, no animated dialogue, no disagreement. He looked like a guy who has sat behind a very good NFL QB for three years and doesn't harbor much of hope to ascend in his profession. He looked to me to be disinterested.
Who knows? We may learn more during the week.
Johnson may provide a different style than Eli or Nassib.
To be honest, I'm confused with this move but I'm not a coach so I'll leave it to them and say "thanks for bringing in some competition for Nassib."
end up starting by the bye week this year. Manning didn't play two games this preseason and the coaches have a tough decicision who starts the Dallas game. Nassib clearly beat out Manning last preseason and Manning only started because of his salary. This Johnson guy was clearly brought in to back up Nassib when Nassib takes over the starting role at some point this season.
is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
I was just thinking, let just assume for a moment that coach Mac wanted to have 3QBs, Nassib as backup and a veteran just in case.
I would much rather have TJ Yates, but he was just recently medically cleared from an ACL tear. Is there an advantage if we sign him after week one?
Maybe Josh Johnson was what they thought was best available with minimal salary, then cut him and sign TJ yates after week one if he passes the physical
He's a heck of an athlete. Posted a 4.44 at the combine.
technically 11th NFL team b/c he had two stints each in SF and CIN.
Not to mention the UFL Sacramento Mountain Lions.
I think best case is to hope we never see him on the field.
when you make 12 different professional football stops in 8 years you're no longer a heck of an athlete, you're a journeyman.
He's the definition of journeyman. It's kind of a head scratcher for me, because McAdoo has been saying Nassib had a good offseason, and then also seems to imply he needs a kick in the ass.
and MacAdoo said it was competition for Nassib, who was awful in preseason.
I see no reason not to take the coach at his word here.
Yea, I mean he was so forthright throughout that interview, how could you not? My Q is: Competition how?
What strategic advantage is there to this supposed lie?
I was being funny (trying to) with the forthright bit - but serious in asking how this creates competition at this point in the season. Johnson won't know the system for a few weeks. Exactly what does McAdoo expect to happen to Nassib in the meantime? He's going to hold his clipboard tighter?
Nassib sucks. He sucked when 30% of BBI said he was sending Manning to the bench. He sucked when 90% of BBI said he was the future after Manning retired. He sucked when Reese traded up for him. He'll suck when his rookie contract is up and he tests FA and resigns with the Giants for half of what he's making now. And signing Josh Johnson isn't going to change ANY of that.
The majority of this site never thought the trade/draft pick made sense from the time it was made and think it makes less sense after seeing Nassib play for three+ years.
No idea where you pull your percentages from. Actually, I do have an idea.
The majority of this site never thought the trade/draft pick made sense from the time it was made and think it makes less sense after seeing Nassib play for three+ years.
No idea where you pull your percentages from. Actually, I do have an idea.
Ok. So a slight exaggeration. So what? My point stands. BBI (or a large vocal portion of BBI) thought he was the future. Laughable then. Just sad now.
The majority of this site never thought the trade/draft pick made sense from the time it was made and think it makes less sense after seeing Nassib play for three+ years.
No idea where you pull your percentages from. Actually, I do have an idea.
Ok. So a slight exaggeration. So what? My point stands. BBI (or a large vocal portion of BBI) thought he was the future. Laughable then. Just sad now.
I just think a very very small percentage of people ever though Nassib was going to replace Eli and an even smaller percentage than that very very small percentage after seeing Nassib play.
Just my opinion.
Every fan base has Whackos why should the Giants be immune.
The majority of this site never thought the trade/draft pick made sense from the time it was made and think it makes less sense after seeing Nassib play for three+ years.
No idea where you pull your percentages from. Actually, I do have an idea.
Ok. So a slight exaggeration. So what? My point stands. BBI (or a large vocal portion of BBI) thought he was the future. Laughable then. Just sad now.
I just think a very very small percentage of people ever though Nassib was going to replace Eli and an even smaller percentage than that very very small percentage after seeing Nassib play.
Just my opinion.
Every fan base has Whackos why should the Giants be immune.
Fair enough. More to the point - Nassib sucks. Signing Johnson isn't suddenly going to change that. What, exactly, is the "competition" McAdoo expects to take place? And this is suddenly going to result in Nassib ... what? Becoming good? Valuable? Ambidextrous so he can hold the clipboard during practice with either hand?
the rules may have changed, so take it with a grain of salt, but....
any vet (5? or more years of accrued seasons) on the roster as of opening day are guaranteed the full year's salary. Thus, if they want avoid paying Johnson for the year, he has to be off the roster by Sunday (although technicalities with filing may move the date up)
after opening day, teams can add a vet and are only responsible for the week to week salary. the full year guarantee goes out the window. So, there is absolutely a benefit to have waited til next Monday to have signed Johnson.
corresponding move?
Interesting. Nassib or the kid gone?
Interesting. Nassib or the kid gone?
the kid (Logan Taylor?) is on the PS. Johnson is not PS eligible.
or what kid?
Interesting. Nassib or the kid gone?
Wasn't Logan Thomas already gone?
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Ian Rapaport just confirmed as well.
Interesting. Nassib or the kid gone?
the kid (Logan Taylor?) is on the PS. Johnson is not PS eligible.
or what kid?
Logan Thomas. Didn't realize that. Yeah, so Nassib it must be.
Wow
Wow
Wow, why Brinkley?
I do not see him as an upgrade over anyone.
I'd rather sign Matt Flynn. He should even be sort of familiar with the McAdoo system.
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per Art.
Wow
Wow, why Brinkley?
Dunno. They must like Shepard and Robinson to man the middle.
Is this the realization that Nassib can't even come in to finish a game?
Wow
NFL is a brutal world. Watch him sign with Dallas
Per Art.
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per Art.
Wow
Wow, why Brinkley?
I think Reese is trading for Kuechly
Is Johnson an upgrade over Nassib? I suppose by default he must be...
this only shows Carl Banks knows more than me. LOL.
and Josh Johnson can do that better than Logan Thomas?
There's a new man in town.
This is the only thing that would make any sense of this move!
At this point I could see them cutting a tight end to add another linebacker lol.
The roster is very different than expected.
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To be Dak Prescott this week in practice.
This is the only thing that would make any sense of this move!
Well it makes plenty of sense.
Even that shitbag Florio mentioned it in his analysis of this move.
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To be Dak Prescott this week in practice.
This is the only thing that would make any sense of this move!
Not to me it doesn't. Logan Thomas is far more like Dak Prescott than Josh Johnson is.
I agree. I think there's something else going on. Either a Nassib drop or trade. TE/OL seems plausible. Seems strange to drop the apparently 2nd MLB just to bring in a practice dummy.
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To be Dak Prescott this week in practice.
and Josh Johnson can do that better than Logan Thomas?
I don't know what J Johnson looks like, maybe he has the same hair color and eyes. Same height and weight. Went to school together. Live in same town and have the same fav food?
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To be Dak Prescott this week in practice.
and Josh Johnson can do that better than Logan Thomas?
I don't know what J Johnson looks like, maybe he has the same hair color and eyes. Same height and weight. Went to school together. Live in same town and have the same fav food?
Josh Johnson is a 31 year old career backup (mostly) on his 11th tea who hasn't been on an active NFL roster in three seasons or thrown a pass in a game in 5 years.
he is not a running QB anymore (and wasn't really ever) and never had as strong an arm as Thomas.
but..as usual and I'm not being flippant here, Reese and co know far more than us fans.
maybe....if they gave him a mirror?
LOL
1. Giants are going to break tradition (3 QBs) in order to have a 31 one year old journeyman on the roster;
2. Giants are cutting Nassib in favor of said journeyman;
3. Johnson is a short-term answer to a question;
Only the last one makes sense...
Josh Johnson Article - ( New Window )
1. Giants are going to break tradition (3 QBs) in order to have a 31 one year old journeyman on the roster;
2. Giants are cutting Nassib in favor of said journeyman;
3. Johnson is a short-term answer to a question;
Only the last one makes sense...
yep, they must have really had doubts about Brinkley to cut him for a one-week scout team QB.
Sign Johnson. Done.
And now:
Waive Logan Thomas and place Johnson on PS in his place.
Sign OL to take Brinkley's spot on the 53 man roster.
Sign Johnson. Done.
And now:
Waive Logan Thomas and place Johnson on PS in his place.
Sign OL to take Brinkley's spot on the 53 man roster.
Sounds right to me. I can't imagine this results in 3 QBs on the 53...
I wouldn't be surprised to see Nassib released once Johnson learns the offense, especially if we have injuries and need to promote someone from the PS as a result. Nassib is in the last year of his rookie contract, so the cap hit from releasing him would be negligible.
a week or so last summer I seem to recall? He was let go
well before preseason. I doubt he will be here long.
They need to find another O Lineman or TE, at least.
Sign Johnson. Done.
And now:
Waive Logan Thomas and place Johnson on PS in his place.
Sign OL to take Brinkley's spot on the 53 man roster.
I can't imagine that Johnson is eligible for the practice squad.
a week or so last summer I seem to recall? He was let go
well before preseason. I doubt he will be here long.
They need to find another O Lineman or TE, at least.
That was Josh Freeman....
Sign Johnson. Done.
And now:
Waive Logan Thomas and place Johnson on PS in his place.
Sign OL to take Brinkley's spot on the 53 man roster.
Johnson has been ineligible for the PS for 5 years.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Nassib released once Johnson learns the offense, especially if we have injuries and need to promote someone from the PS as a result. Nassib is in the last year of his rookie contract, so the cap hit from releasing him would be negligible.
Nassib is a brutal indictment of Nassib. I am not sure
I have ever seen a QB with less of an internal clock...
and someone who can't feel pressure when the defender is a
yard or two away. It wouldn't bother me if they get rid
of Nassib, I've stated he is hot garbage.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
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this is his 2nd go round here, he was here for about
a week or so last summer I seem to recall? He was let go
well before preseason. I doubt he will be here long.
They need to find another O Lineman or TE, at least.
That was Josh Freeman....
Oh yeah, had them confused, LOL.
If the Giants reached the final conclusion on Nassib and it's not good, why not sign someone like Matt Flynn who is a FA, and has experience and at least mild success in this offense.
Johnson has bounced around to 10 NFL teams and an arena team. I think the book on him is written.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
If the Giants reached the final conclusion on Nassib and it's not good, why not sign someone like Matt Flynn who is a FA, and has experience and at least mild success in this offense.
Johnson has bounced around to 10 NFL teams and an arena team. I think the book on him is written.
I agree. Bottom line,if Eli goes down,we're sunk. There's no Jeff Hostetler in the wings!
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is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Exactly.. and I was throwing bricks at the TV the moment we drafted him. I really wonder how much this pick was due to TC vs Reese. I would be ok if we don't draft another guy from Syracuse or BC for the next 10 years. Other than Snee those selections have absolutely sucked.
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is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
MLB Brinkley is a journeyman who had a younger guy (Sheppard) beat him out.
Also, I think MLB Brinkley will be available next Monday should the Giants decide to remodel the roster again. These are "bottom of the roster" moves.
MLB Brinkley is a journeyman who had a younger guy (Sheppard) beat him out.
Also, I think MLB Brinkley will be available next Monday should the Giants decide to remodel the roster again. These are "bottom of the roster" moves.
Or he could be in Dallas by tomorrow....
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is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
If McCants is still in the league that's more an indictment of Flaherty, I think. The one guy that goes elsewhere develops to the point where he actually has an NFL career? Sheeze.
exactly.
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So, I'd expect a couple of moves in the next week or so.
It wasn't only that he had some abysmal stretches of play, was inaccurate in his long throws, much better on the short throws and slants where he needed to whip them in, little pocket awareness, and virtually no escapability--in fact, in Eli and Nassib, the Giants may have the least mobile QB combo in the NFL--it was his demeanor.
Sitting on the bench with Sullivan to go over his decision making, reads, and throws, Nassib had what I'm going to call a very flat affect. He did not seem invested in the analysis, the discussion Sullivan was trying to have, it was a bare nod of acknowledgement and that was it. No questions, no animated dialogue, no disagreement. He looked like a guy who has sat behind a very good NFL QB for three years and doesn't harbor much of hope to ascend in his profession. He looked to me to be disinterested.
That's what I saw; and of course it's all speculation on my part, but that's how I read the body action and (lack of) exchanges between him and his OC. That's not good.
I agree. Bottom line,if Eli goes down,we're sunk. There's no Jeff Hostetler in the wings!
That is flawed thinking. Sure, if Eli goes down for the year, no one on the roster can save us, but what if he is out for 3-4 games? You need someone who can get you a win or 2. I don't think Nassub is that guy. That said, I'm not sure Josh Johnson is either, but I'd be surprised if this move were made solely for scout team reasons. We'll find out soon enough.
Why would they cut a QB when Brown comes back? They'll cut Bullock, unless you think they're carrying 2 kickers.
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Rob, you really think they'd release a player they otherwise like just to improve one practice week? I disagree, homeboy!
Brinkley hasn't practiced in a week or so - and there is nothing to prevent him from coming back.
McAdoo: Josh Johnson competition for Nassib #Giants
I'm just confused as to why they didn't get a BETTER QB then. Like Matt Barkley or Kevin Hogan or even Aaron Murray. Johnson isn't very good.
Based on what? Because Johnson had a strong preseason and Nassib didn't?
Sorry, not the USFL, he's not that old, the even better UFL (Sacramento Mountain Lions)
McAdoo: Josh Johnson competition for Nassib #Giants
I'm just confused as to why they didn't get a BETTER QB then. Like Matt Barkley or Kevin Hogan or even Aaron Murray. Johnson isn't very good.
Why did he wait until now to decide to give Nassib real competition? He had all spring and summer. Maybe I gotten so use to how Coughlin handles a roster from year to year but is this normal?
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is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
It's not defensible when you have a franchise QB who doesn't miss games.
Sign Johnson. Done.
And now:
Waive Logan Thomas and place Johnson on PS in his place.
Sign OL to take Brinkley's spot on the 53 man roster.
In your dreams! The Gmen aren't getting any other help on the OL. Don't you remember we were told Jerry, Newhouse, Flowers are all fine.
Why did he wait until now to decide to give Nassib real competition? He had all spring and summer. Maybe I gotten so use to how Coughlin handles a roster from year to year but is this normal?
Because other QBs were still in camp. Where would they find a QB to bring in before cut day?
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per Art.
Wow
Wow, why Brinkley?
I think Reese is trading for Kuechly
Is a trade for Kuechly something you've heard?
I bet you $1000 Giants don't think Brinkley was their best LB. Or in the top 6.
Have no idea what they see in the QB (vs other options) but the kid on the PS is a goner IMO. And Nassib is in trouble.
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Let go our best LB (which isn't saying much) for a retread QB that no one else wants. I don't get it. Unless maybe Nassib is hurt. Or god forbid you know who.
I don't know if he is our best LB, but it is odd we release a LB who was our starter last season and has had an ok preseason for a QB that will be on the roster for only one week.
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is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
It's not defensible when you have a franchise QB who doesn't miss games.
I don't know if picking Nassib was the best move, but I do know that not picking him or or critic sing his inexperience or any other comment that is predicated on Eli never getting hurt, is fallacious reasoning.
McAdoo: Josh Johnson competition for Nassib #Giants
I'm just confused as to why they didn't get a BETTER QB then. Like Matt Barkley or Kevin Hogan or even Aaron Murray. Johnson isn't very good.
I wouldn't consider Matt Barkley a better option. He isn't good at all.
1) A longtime NFL vet like Josh Johnson isn't Practice Squad eligible, as someone noted above. So he's not replacing Thomas on the PS.
2) They may have given up on Nassib, for whatever reason, and want a different backup for Eli.
3) Brinkley could be re-signed after Week 1; then his salary wouldn't be guaranteed for the season. But they still have a lotta linebackers.
Here's what I don't know:
How does letting Brinkley go affect the cap? If they have a cap savings, might they be clearing space for another signing?
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is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
Yes, he did trade up. He gave up a sixth. Pittsburgh was apparently interested in Nassib, but drafted Landry Jones instead, who has been awful. I supported the Nassib trade, and still do. Using mid to low round picks on a developmental QB every few years is defensible. But it's not defensible that none of Reese's day three OL picks (Brewer, Mosley, Petrus, and Herman) ever developed. I think McCants is still at least in the league.
It's not defensible when you have a franchise QB who doesn't miss games.
i see this a lot and it makes absolutely no sense. Injuries are random. Just because Eli hasn't missed a game, doesn't mean his season, or even career, doesn't end tomorrow. Peyton never missed any games either....until he did.
I don't know if picking Nassib was the best move, but I do know that not picking him or or critic sing his inexperience or any other comment that is predicated on Eli never getting hurt, is fallacious reasoning.
If you have a franchise QB and he goes down, a backup QB isn't going to save your season. So if you're consistently using mid to late round picks on developmental QBs "just in case" your franchise QB goes down, you're wasting valuable resources on guys who won't impact your team long term -- and you're stripping yourself of the opportunity to take a guy at another position who actually could impact.
The situation with Eli makes selecting developmental QBs even worse. If you have a QB like Ben R who has a history of getting dinged and missing time, then I get taking a flier on a guy even though I don't agree with it. Having a franchise QB should carry the ancillary benefit of not having to waste resources on the position. The Giants have wasted a 4th and a 6th on Nassib, a 5th on Bomar, a 6th on Woodson, and another pick to acquire Sage Rosenfels from the Vikings. Zero ROI when those picks could been used to gamble on other guys who could actually impact.
Re: the current move of cutting Brinkley for a trash 3rd string QB -- I don't see the logic behind it. Brinkley actually made some plays last year with a bad defense around him. So we cut a guy who is decent depth at a minimum for a guy who won't ever play and shouldn't even be on a 53 man roster?
So some are claiming "see we told you".
I have a hard time buying it. If Eli goes down I do not see Josh Johnson (or Nassib for that matter) as a difference maker, and I believe the season is pretty much over. I hate 3 QB's on the 53-man roster - especially when one of them is not a rookie/young developmental guy like in New England. I thought the Pats over-played their hand, but I'm pretty sure now they'll flip Garoppolo for a 1st or two and they have their new backup with Brissett. That's IMO what Reese was trying to do with Nassib, but he fell for a reason it seems.
if they want a guy to "hold down the fort" for an extended time frame if Eli is short-term injured it seems like a Matt Flynn, TJ Yates, etc. type who has had NFL success, maybe been in a playoff game and is familiar with the offense makes more sense.
UA, this tends to lend some support to what I posted in my 12:15 PM, which read in part:
Johnson may provide a different style than Eli or Nassib.
To be honest, I'm confused with this move but I'm not a coach so I'll leave it to them and say "thanks for bringing in some competition for Nassib."
He was extremely impressive in the Ravens last preseason game. Crisp accurate passes and the guy is very evasive in the pocket.
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is trading for Nassib. This move seals his fate. As I said, I'm not sure he'll make it to the end of the year. He could be gone once Johnson learns the offense, say around mid season.
Nassib is just one of many mid to late QBs Reese drafted who didn't work out. Bomar, Lorenzen, and Woodson are the others I can remember. But no fault to Reese for trying. The investment was small in each case, and the potential payoff would have been huge.
Didn't JR trade up for Nassib? Imagine if he didn't and maybe for once drafted a solid mid round OL instead?
I have hated the Nassib pick for years
technically 11th NFL team b/c he had two stints each in SF and CIN.
Not to mention the UFL Sacramento Mountain Lions.
I think best case is to hope we never see him on the field.
when you make 12 different professional football stops in 8 years you're no longer a heck of an athlete, you're a journeyman.
I would much rather have TJ Yates, but he was just recently medically cleared from an ACL tear. Is there an advantage if we sign him after week one?
Maybe Josh Johnson was what they thought was best available with minimal salary, then cut him and sign TJ yates after week one if he passes the physical
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He's a heck of an athlete. Posted a 4.44 at the combine.
technically 11th NFL team b/c he had two stints each in SF and CIN.
Not to mention the UFL Sacramento Mountain Lions.
I think best case is to hope we never see him on the field.
when you make 12 different professional football stops in 8 years you're no longer a heck of an athlete, you're a journeyman.
He's the definition of journeyman. It's kind of a head scratcher for me, because McAdoo has been saying Nassib had a good offseason, and then also seems to imply he needs a kick in the ass.
I see no reason not to take the coach at his word here.
I see no reason not to take the coach at his word here.
Yea, I mean he was so forthright throughout that interview, how could you not? My Q is: Competition how?
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and MacAdoo said it was competition for Nassib, who was awful in preseason.
I see no reason not to take the coach at his word here.
Yea, I mean he was so forthright throughout that interview, how could you not? My Q is: Competition how?
What strategic advantage is there to this supposed lie?
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and MacAdoo said it was competition for Nassib, who was awful in preseason.
I see no reason not to take the coach at his word here.
Yea, I mean he was so forthright throughout that interview, how could you not? My Q is: Competition how?
What strategic advantage is there to this supposed lie?
I was being funny (trying to) with the forthright bit - but serious in asking how this creates competition at this point in the season. Johnson won't know the system for a few weeks. Exactly what does McAdoo expect to happen to Nassib in the meantime? He's going to hold his clipboard tighter?
Nassib sucks. He sucked when 30% of BBI said he was sending Manning to the bench. He sucked when 90% of BBI said he was the future after Manning retired. He sucked when Reese traded up for him. He'll suck when his rookie contract is up and he tests FA and resigns with the Giants for half of what he's making now. And signing Josh Johnson isn't going to change ANY of that.
The majority of this site never thought the trade/draft pick made sense from the time it was made and think it makes less sense after seeing Nassib play for three+ years.
No idea where you pull your percentages from. Actually, I do have an idea.
The majority of this site never thought the trade/draft pick made sense from the time it was made and think it makes less sense after seeing Nassib play for three+ years.
No idea where you pull your percentages from. Actually, I do have an idea.
Ok. So a slight exaggeration. So what? My point stands. BBI (or a large vocal portion of BBI) thought he was the future. Laughable then. Just sad now.
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way beyond a mild exaggeration.
The majority of this site never thought the trade/draft pick made sense from the time it was made and think it makes less sense after seeing Nassib play for three+ years.
No idea where you pull your percentages from. Actually, I do have an idea.
Ok. So a slight exaggeration. So what? My point stands. BBI (or a large vocal portion of BBI) thought he was the future. Laughable then. Just sad now.
I just think a very very small percentage of people ever though Nassib was going to replace Eli and an even smaller percentage than that very very small percentage after seeing Nassib play.
Just my opinion.
Every fan base has Whackos why should the Giants be immune.
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way beyond a mild exaggeration.
The majority of this site never thought the trade/draft pick made sense from the time it was made and think it makes less sense after seeing Nassib play for three+ years.
No idea where you pull your percentages from. Actually, I do have an idea.
Ok. So a slight exaggeration. So what? My point stands. BBI (or a large vocal portion of BBI) thought he was the future. Laughable then. Just sad now.
I just think a very very small percentage of people ever though Nassib was going to replace Eli and an even smaller percentage than that very very small percentage after seeing Nassib play.
Just my opinion.
Every fan base has Whackos why should the Giants be immune.
Fair enough. More to the point - Nassib sucks. Signing Johnson isn't suddenly going to change that. What, exactly, is the "competition" McAdoo expects to take place? And this is suddenly going to result in Nassib ... what? Becoming good? Valuable? Ambidextrous so he can hold the clipboard during practice with either hand?
any vet (5? or more years of accrued seasons) on the roster as of opening day are guaranteed the full year's salary. Thus, if they want avoid paying Johnson for the year, he has to be off the roster by Sunday (although technicalities with filing may move the date up)
after opening day, teams can add a vet and are only responsible for the week to week salary. the full year guarantee goes out the window. So, there is absolutely a benefit to have waited til next Monday to have signed Johnson.