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Giants Work Out Kickers

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/6/2016 6:19 pm
Jordan Raanan ESPN Staff Writer

The Giants worked out a pair of veteran kickers Tuesday in Shayne Graham and Cody Parkey. Also kicker Aldrick Rosas and a large linemen contingent that included former Jets Vladimir Ducasse and Mackenzie Bernadeau.

Jordan Raanan & #8207;@JordanRaanan 1m1 minute ago

Those kicker workouts interesting with vested vet Randy Bullock on roster as Josh Brown serves 1-game ban. Could face $670K decision
Those kickers would be vested as well  
ron mexico : 9/6/2016 6:51 pm : link
Right?

Graham for sure
The loser of the Eagles' kick-off figured to get a look.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/6/2016 6:52 pm : link
Both have performed under NFL pressure, and neither is vested. Most reports out of Philly suggest that Parkey had not regained his 2014 form, which might explain why the Giants didn't put in a waiver claim.
RE: Those kickers would be vested as well  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/6/2016 6:53 pm : link
Ron mexico said:
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Right?

Graham for sure

No, only Graham. His presence in particular suggests that the team is not sold on Bullock.
What about Robbie Gould  
Mr. Bungle : 9/6/2016 6:58 pm : link
or Kai Forbath?
Bernadeau looks like a huge depth upgrade over Jones.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/6/2016 7:52 pm : link
He pocketed about $875K in bonus and guarantees from Jacksonville. Now he can probably be had for veteran minimum, with a discounted cap hit under $700K.

I don't think Bernadeau has lost all that much, and he has never been seriously injured since his last year at Bentley. He's just a classic sixth/seventh lineman, and he lost out to younger, better talent in Dallas and Jax.
If Bullock is adequate in Week 1, I think Brown will be cut loose.  
Ivan15 : 9/6/2016 7:57 pm : link
considering their previous statements, Mara and McAdoo have to take a stand.

Even if Bullock doesn't work out, I still think Brown has to go.
RE: If Bullock is adequate in Week 1, I think Brown will be cut loose.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/6/2016 8:08 pm : link
Ivan15 said:
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considering their previous statements, Mara and McAdoo have to take a stand.

Even if Bullock doesn't work out, I still think Brown has to go.

Bullock just has to make it to Game day. If they let his salary guarantee kick in, it almost certainly means Brown is toast
I have to believe they will either bring in a vet...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/6/2016 8:11 pm : link
and let Brown go or bring in a non-vested guy and Brown stays. I can't see Bullock lasting
RE: I have to believe they will either bring in a vet...  
UberAlias : 9/6/2016 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13106591 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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and let Brown go or bring in a non-vested guy and Brown stays. I can't see Bullock lasting
No doubt. It would be very surprising if it wasn't one of these scenarios.
If the plan is to cut Brown loose  
BlackLight : 9/6/2016 8:22 pm : link
why wait on it? Won't we owe him his full year's salary if we wait until Monday to let him go?
I think Ducasse makes less sense than Bernadeau.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/6/2016 8:28 pm : link
Although Ducasse is younger with a spiffy draft pedigree, his ability to kick outside to tackle is much less attractive than Bernadeau's ability to play center.
I think Brown..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/6/2016 8:32 pm : link
has to be on the roster to get the entire year paid - which means they have until week 2 to make a decision on him.
RE: I think Ducasse makes less sense than Bernadeau.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/6/2016 8:33 pm : link
In comment 13106622 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Although Ducasse is younger with a spiffy draft pedigree, his ability to kick outside to tackle is much less attractive than Bernadeau's ability to play center.


Except Ducasse is a name and should therefore be quite popular on here
I'd be surprised if they kept Bullock for this game, unless as  
yatqb : 9/6/2016 9:03 pm : link
Fat Man says, they then cut Brown.

As for a reserve on the OL, I expect that unless they bring in another non-vested kid, they'll wait a week to bring a vet in, and then either cut Johnson or move Hart to the PS if he clears waivers.
Vlad  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/6/2016 9:11 pm : link
Ducasse is terrible. Atleast the other French dude can play a little bit, although maybe the Dallas O-Line made him better than he actually was...
RE: Vlad  
Anakim : 9/6/2016 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13106672 McNally's_Nuts said:
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Ducasse is terrible. Atleast the other French dude can play a little bit, although maybe the Dallas O-Line made him better than he actually was...


Bernardeau isn't French?
Why cut Brown?  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/6/2016 9:24 pm : link
Isn't he the most consistent option?
I'm not sure Bullock is guaranteed yet  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/6/2016 9:53 pm : link
Everything I've read says he's guaranteed "if he is on the roster for week one". Which implies they don't have to pay him if they release him before Sunday.
It is..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/6/2016 10:02 pm : link
week one. Before then - no
RE: I'm not sure Bullock is guaranteed yet  
Boy Cord : 9/6/2016 10:17 pm : link
In comment 13106735 Jim in Fairfax said:
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Everything I've read says he's guaranteed "if he is on the roster for week one". Which implies they don't have to pay him if they release him before Sunday.


Dude's sitting on a lottery ticket. One day of real work for what, $600k+?

Let's say he is on the roster week one and is cut, but then signs elsewhere later in the season. Does he collect from both teams, or does his income offset?

Either way, the Giants are most likely on the hook for the entire cap hit and the new team as well.
Bernadeau isn't French.  
Klaatu : 9/7/2016 12:16 am : link
He was born in Waltham, Massachusetts. And it's Mackenzy, with a 'y,' not an 'ie.' Career backup, but he did start a bunch of games for Carolina in 2010, and for Dallas in 2012 and 2013, mostly at LG, with a little RG and C sprinkled in here and there.

Ducasse never even came close to justifying his pick in the 2nd round.
Guaranteed Salary  
FJ : 9/7/2016 8:08 am : link
Theoretically, the salary for a veteran is guaranteed if he's on the roster for game 1, but there are a couple of conditions:
1. If he's cut, and ends up getting picked up by another team later in the season, I believe the original team is off the hook.
2. He has to file with the league at the end of the season to receive this "termination pay" which he is only able to receive once in his career. If he has received it before this year, he's not eligible again. If he expects to play again in the future, he may want to wait to take his termination pay in a subsequent season (but there's no guarantee that he'll be on an opening day roster again).
3. From what I've seen, I think the CBA indicates eligibility for termination pay requires that a player must have completed 4 NFL seasons. I believe Bullock has only played 3 seasons plus one on IR. Does that make him eligible?
Another OL available  
Carson53 : 9/7/2016 10:09 am : link
The Josh Kline for Rowe, plus a conditional 4th Rd. pick,
well it's now just the draft pick....Kline has been waived
by the Pats. Hey JR, put down the golf clubs, and pick up the phone. He cam play guard or tackle too.
RE: What about Robbie Gould  
Carson53 : 9/7/2016 10:12 am : link
In comment 13106495 Mr. Bungle said:
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or Kai Forbath?
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No and no.
RE: RE: What about Robbie Gould  
djstat : 9/7/2016 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13107194 Carson53 said:
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or Kai Forbath?

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No and no.


Just don't sign a kicker and score TD's if it ever comes down to Gould or Forbath
RE: RE: What about Robbie Gould  
chopperhatch : 9/7/2016 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13107194 Carson53 said:
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In comment 13106495 Mr. Bungle said:


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or Kai Forbath?

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No and no.


Why no to Goukd? Has his leg strength and accuracy dropped off?
By all accounts..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/7/2016 12:47 pm : link
Gould's ability fell off a cliff this year. He had been horrible not just in camp, but also in preseason.
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