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McAdoo said on post game int was on Shepard...

JCin332 : 9/11/2016 8:31 pm
Then Shepard confirmed in his interview and said was supposed to come back for ball...

But the dim bulbs on the game thread soldier on...

Also congrats to Eli on his 28th career 4th quarter comeback and 34th career GWD...

That is all...
It would seem obvious  
Matt in SGS : 9/11/2016 8:32 pm : link
when the WR coach was in his face after the play. He's a rookie, and odds are he'll learn faster than Ruben Randle did...well, Randle never did.
I thought it was obvious.  
GiantFilthy : 9/11/2016 8:33 pm : link
I mean they only showed three replays that showed Shep stop his route and showed no quickness in turning around. It was as if he thought his job was just to clear out for the run or something.
I immediately thought the int was on Shepard -  
Del Shofner : 9/11/2016 8:33 pm : link
as between Eli and a rookie in his first NFL game, which was more likely to be the one who got the play wrong?
If this is the unpolished rookie Shepard  
steve in ky : 9/11/2016 8:34 pm : link
I can't wait to see the more seasoned version
RE: If this is the unpolished rookie Shepard  
Danny Kanell : 9/11/2016 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13116180 steve in ky said:
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I can't wait to see the more seasoned version


+1
RE: If this is the unpolished rookie Shepard  
Sec 103 : 9/11/2016 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13116180 steve in ky said:
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I can't wait to see the more seasoned version

+1
RE: RE: If this is the unpolished rookie Shepard  
Boy Cord : 9/11/2016 8:36 pm : link
In comment 13116186 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13116180 steve in ky said:


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I can't wait to see the more seasoned version



+1


Odell Beckham Jr Junior

His TD was a thing of beauty.
Some people just wait to jump on Eli for anything  
PatersonPlank : 9/11/2016 8:36 pm : link
The guy completed 70% of his passes today, with 3TDs and 1 Int.
Of course it was.  
Britt in VA : 9/11/2016 8:37 pm : link
He got to the top of his route and just stood up. It's like he didn't even know the ball was coming to him.
it was not a smart throw  
hitdog42 : 9/11/2016 8:38 pm : link
it was also poor execution from the rook.
It was pretty funny when I was jumped on  
Mr. Bungle : 9/11/2016 8:38 pm : link
for suggesting this possibility on the game thread.
Yes, he should have come back to the ball BUT  
EricJ : 9/11/2016 8:39 pm : link
the CB was in his back pocket. Eli should have seen that and went somewhere else.
Eli  
AcidTest : 9/11/2016 8:39 pm : link
was fine. The Int was clearly on Shepard. He looks great.
RE: it was not a smart throw  
Britt in VA : 9/11/2016 8:39 pm : link
In comment 13116211 hitdog42 said:
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it was also poor execution from the rook.


It's a timing thing. Eli throws that ball before Sheppard makes the break. He can't predict that Sheppard was going to quit on the route like that. It's a bang bang throw.
he threw off his back foot a bit  
hitdog42 : 9/11/2016 8:41 pm : link
and the throw looked like someone who though he would have soft coverage on the backside. again... if he runs the full route, their is likely no INT, there is also likely no catch-
eli is still responsible due to the fact  
dep026 : 9/11/2016 8:41 pm : link
he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
You could see how frustrated Sheperd was  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/11/2016 8:41 pm : link
That he couldn't come back......if it weren't go that INT, Giants win easily
RE: Yes, he should have come back to the ball BUT  
JCin332 : 9/11/2016 8:41 pm : link
In comment 13116216 EricJ said:
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the CB was in his back pocket. Eli should have seen that and went somewhere else.


What do you think this is peewee? It is a timing throw...
he's already 1000 times better than randle  
adambear : 9/11/2016 8:42 pm : link
please never mention them in the same sentence again
Carr also read that play like a short story.  
Boy Cord : 9/11/2016 8:43 pm : link
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RE: eli is still responsible due to the fact  
hitdog42 : 9/11/2016 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13116232 dep026 said:
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he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.


first career agreement. cheers to that! both players mentioned on this thread played excellent games today. Eli was in full command, we just didnt have the ball enough. Going to be a big year.
In the NFL, sometime its the receivers responsiblity to get to the  
PatersonPlank : 9/11/2016 8:44 pm : link
spot first and win the ball. Shepard stopped fighting back. You also saw Donnell blow it too. He had man to man coverage with the LB and Eli put the ball on his hands, but he didn't make the play. McAdoo ripped him a new one. Receivers at this level don't just run around, they need to win 1-on-1 matchups.
Really?  
section125 : 9/11/2016 8:44 pm : link
Your 13 year QB just turns and throws a blind pass and that is the WR's fault? Eli cannot just turn and throw. Suppose Sheppard had fallen down?
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?

So Yes I'm calling BS on blaming Sheppard.
RE: Really?  
JCin332 : 9/11/2016 8:45 pm : link
In comment 13116250 section125 said:
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Your 13 year QB just turns and throws a blind pass and that is the WR's fault? Eli cannot just turn and throw. Suppose Sheppard had fallen down?
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?

So Yes I'm calling BS on blaming Sheppard.


Case in point one of the dim bulbs from game thread...
RE: RE: eli is still responsible due to the fact  
dep026 : 9/11/2016 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13116246 hitdog42 said:
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In comment 13116232 dep026 said:


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he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.



first career agreement. cheers to that! both players mentioned on this thread played excellent games today. Eli was in full command, we just didnt have the ball enough. Going to be a big year.


I think we have agreed before! But I think its a play they both can learn from and improve on.
RE: Yes, he should have come back to the ball BUT  
baadbill : 9/11/2016 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13116216 EricJ said:
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the CB was in his back pocket. Eli should have seen that and went somewhere else.


McAdoo said the primary mistake was he turned the wrong way... secondly he was supposed to come back hard to the ball... said it was a rookie mistake ... at no point did McAdoo even hint he had any issue with Eli throwing the pass
RE: Really?  
Britt in VA : 9/11/2016 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13116250 section125 said:
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Your 13 year QB just turns and throws a blind pass and that is the WR's fault? Eli cannot just turn and throw. Suppose Sheppard had fallen down?
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?

So Yes I'm calling BS on blaming Sheppard.


So you think that Coach McAdoo and Sheppard himself are being dishonest when they put it on him?

Or do you think they were protecting Eli by taking responsibility? If so, why does a 12 year veteran, 2 time Superbowl MVP need protecting by a rookie WR?
I'm pretty sure many  
BlackLight : 9/11/2016 8:49 pm : link
if not most of the throws Eli makes in this offense have an 'anticipation' element to them. In other words, Eli isn't always throwing to an open receiver - he's throwing to a spot on the field and counting on the receiver to get himself open.

Dollars to donuts, the INT today was in that category. The play calls for Eli to have the ball out of his hands before the receiver has made his move to come back.
Save all these negative comments about Eli  
bluesince56 : 9/11/2016 8:50 pm : link
for when he retires and our future OB takes over the team. Believe me, we will miss Eli.
Why would a new HC lie and throw a rookie player under the bus?  
steve in ky : 9/11/2016 8:53 pm : link
McAdoo would have to be a moron to do that. He would lose the respect of much of his team in his very first game
RE: I'm pretty sure many  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/11/2016 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13116275 BlackLight said:
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if not most of the throws Eli makes in this offense have an 'anticipation' element to them. In other words, Eli isn't always throwing to an open receiver - he's throwing to a spot on the field and counting on the receiver to get himself open.

Dollars to donuts, the INT today was in that category. The play calls for Eli to have the ball out of his hands before the receiver has made his move to come back.


+1

It today's NFL, you don't take a 7 step drop and wait for a guy to get separation and wave his hand at you. 80% of passes are made before a receiver makes his cut. Guy runs the wrong wrote or runs it sloppy, INTs happen.
looked to me at the time  
markky : 9/11/2016 9:04 pm : link
(and i posted in game thread) that shepherd didn't fight for position and was instead looking at the ref. either way, this happens.
Shepard Apple and Thompson all had  
Bluesbreaker : 9/11/2016 9:08 pm : link
Good and Bad Moments and is to be expected ....
This Defense is going to get better and If they stay
healthy the 10 wins I thought they could get will be
obtained .
RE: it was not a smart throw  
Joey in VA : 9/11/2016 9:27 pm : link
In comment 13116211 hitdog42 said:
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it was also poor execution from the rook.
Incorrect, the throw is coming out mid route, Shepard didn't get to the spot, it's 100% on 87.
Clearly was on him...  
arcarsenal : 9/11/2016 10:11 pm : link
He kinda bailed on the play and didn't finish his route. Eli threw to a spot. It happens... rookie mistake. The kid came up huge on his TD and is going to be a hell of a player.
RE: Clearly was on him...  
Jim in Fairfax : 9/11/2016 10:15 pm : link
In comment 13116504 arcarsenal said:
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He kinda bailed on the play and didn't finish his route. Eli threw to a spot. It happens... rookie mistake. The kid came up huge on his TD and is going to be a hell of a player.

I can live with the rookie mistakes. Long as he's not still doing the same thing year 4 like his predecessor.
RE: it was not a smart throw  
Vanzetti : 9/11/2016 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13116211 hitdog42 said:
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it was also poor execution from the rook.


Exactly, bad plays are generally not 100% one player's fault.

The CB was already breaking on the ball when Eli let it go and the pass did not have any zip. Eli probably should have gone elsewhere. It was either an INT or an INC. Shepherd's bad play made it an INT.
Even if he comes back  
KWALL2 : 9/11/2016 10:25 pm : link
The CB is there. But Shepard made it easy for him.

Very good play by the CB.
Really?  
redwhiteandbigblue : 9/11/2016 10:26 pm : link
Opinions are opinions but in this case it is clearly a fact. Let's see-they run the reply 3 times and you can clearly see Shepherd stops his route and does not come back for the ball, then as Shepard comes off the field, the OC is in his grille about it, then in a post game press conference the head coach tells you it is not on Eli and the player himself admits it was his fault and posters here are still blaming Eli? Just stop!
Let's call it what it was  
Marty866b : 9/11/2016 10:26 pm : link
A terrible play by both.
Shepard  
hassan : 9/11/2016 10:33 pm : link
Turned wrong and allowed the CB to get inside of him. Had he run the route correctly he would have screened the defender off and prevented a pick had he not caught the ball.
my first impression was that it was Shep's fault  
SirYesSir : 9/12/2016 12:07 am : link
but Eli's lollipop throw made it look worse, and might have added to the problem.
love seeing JC rush to the defense of a 35 year old millionnaire  
chris r : 9/12/2016 12:08 am : link
2 time SB MVP like a white night. It's cute.
I'm sure most people  
SethFromAstoria : 9/12/2016 1:38 am : link
understand what is the likely scenario. The play is set up such that the WR is informed to turn around on his route after a certain time because if the blitz comes the QB will have to let it go. It looks atrocious on the QB but there are likely so many plays in the game where the WR does the right thing and it looks like that was the play all along. The coaches were mad because the rookie didn't do what he had to do in that scenario and on a route that requires timing and the WR coming back on the ball. It makes Eli look even worse because Eli probably sees this and has to decide if he should throw it and hope hes there, or hold it and take the sack.

Next time SS will turn around. Lessons learned.
RE: eli is still responsible due to the fact  
Randy in CT : 9/12/2016 2:54 am : link
In comment 13116232 dep026 said:
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he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
Sure. Even though there's confirmation of what happened and who was at fault, you state something different. Shut your stupid pie hole.

Even when I didn't know who's fault it was, I wasn't lambasted Eli--mistakes happen. I can't imagine the shit you dim bulbs post on game threads and will never participate.
RE: love seeing JC rush to the defense of a 35 year old millionnaire  
JCin332 : 9/12/2016 5:02 am : link
In comment 13116739 chris r said:
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2 time SB MVP like a white night. It's cute.


Well gee whiz i feel like my thread has been validated now that the dunce has chimed in...
Carr did a nice job of anticipating the route but  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2016 6:44 am : link
Both Eli and Shep could have done things better for sure.
As usual..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/12/2016 6:47 am : link
the game thread was a shitshow with several posters declaring the game over at the start of the 4th quarter, the prerequisite dupes throwing out racist posts and general stupidity that said Eli is cooked.

It's absolutely a fact that there are several posters  
Bill L : 9/12/2016 7:47 am : link
who would gladly trade a Giants win for the chance to bash ELi.
Bill L.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 9/12/2016 8:29 am : link
Absolutely. As I stated in my previous post, the replay, the Giants OC, the Giants HC and the player himself stated it was Shepard's fault, not Eli's. Why the hell is this even being debated? I get it, 2+2 equals 5.
didn't Cris Collinsworth say that  
Jersey55 : 9/12/2016 11:16 am : link
there wasn't anything that Sheperd could have done indicating that the INT was on Eli...
RE: RE: eli is still responsible due to the fact  
dep026 : 9/12/2016 11:23 am : link
In comment 13116792 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 13116232 dep026 said:


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he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.

Sure. Even though there's confirmation of what happened and who was at fault, you state something different. Shut your stupid pie hole.

Even when I didn't know who's fault it was, I wasn't lambasted Eli--mistakes happen. I can't imagine the shit you dim bulbs post on game threads and will never participate.


Listen, we all know you are a miserable cunt. One of the most worthless posters ever to contribute to this board. I find it absolutely hysterical that I am labeled as one of the biggest Eli homers ever, so for me to put something on Eli shows that I am being objective in what I saw. I already stated that SS made a mistake. But it also means that Eli may have made a mistake too. Even if SS runs the route right, he most likely would have been blanketed and its not a throw that could be made. The best thing to hope for is an incompletion.

Now going back to your meaningless existence. I wouldnt ask you advice for how to piss in a toilet, because you are such a bitch you need to squat in order to piss. So I will be damned if I ever listen to a single thing you ever say when it comes to football. So ill kindly end this with a fuck you, and have a nice day.
I just watched the play over a couple of times  
Bill in UT : 9/12/2016 4:07 pm : link
and I don't buy that Eli was throwing to a spot in anticipation of Shepherd being there. Maybe SS screwed up early in the route, but Eli had a clear view that Carr was positioned in front of him before he went into his throwing motion. He threw the ball right at Carr, and even worse, he threw it low where SS could not even contest it if he came back towards it.
the end is near, lol  
Les in TO : 9/12/2016 4:14 pm : link
dep is blasted for criticizing Eli. #isthisthereallife?
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