I mean they only showed three replays that showed Shep stop his route and showed no quickness in turning around. It was as if he thought his job was just to clear out for the run or something.
It's a timing thing. Eli throws that ball before Sheppard makes the break. He can't predict that Sheppard was going to quit on the route like that. It's a bang bang throw.
and the throw looked like someone who though he would have soft coverage on the backside. again... if he runs the full route, their is likely no INT, there is also likely no catch-
he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
first career agreement. cheers to that! both players mentioned on this thread played excellent games today. Eli was in full command, we just didnt have the ball enough. Going to be a big year.
In the NFL, sometime its the receivers responsiblity to get to the
spot first and win the ball. Shepard stopped fighting back. You also saw Donnell blow it too. He had man to man coverage with the LB and Eli put the ball on his hands, but he didn't make the play. McAdoo ripped him a new one. Receivers at this level don't just run around, they need to win 1-on-1 matchups.
Your 13 year QB just turns and throws a blind pass and that is the WR's fault? Eli cannot just turn and throw. Suppose Sheppard had fallen down?
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?
Your 13 year QB just turns and throws a blind pass and that is the WR's fault? Eli cannot just turn and throw. Suppose Sheppard had fallen down?
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?
So Yes I'm calling BS on blaming Sheppard.
Case in point one of the dim bulbs from game thread...
he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
first career agreement. cheers to that! both players mentioned on this thread played excellent games today. Eli was in full command, we just didnt have the ball enough. Going to be a big year.
I think we have agreed before! But I think its a play they both can learn from and improve on.
the CB was in his back pocket. Eli should have seen that and went somewhere else.
McAdoo said the primary mistake was he turned the wrong way... secondly he was supposed to come back hard to the ball... said it was a rookie mistake ... at no point did McAdoo even hint he had any issue with Eli throwing the pass
Your 13 year QB just turns and throws a blind pass and that is the WR's fault? Eli cannot just turn and throw. Suppose Sheppard had fallen down?
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?
So Yes I'm calling BS on blaming Sheppard.
So you think that Coach McAdoo and Sheppard himself are being dishonest when they put it on him?
Or do you think they were protecting Eli by taking responsibility? If so, why does a 12 year veteran, 2 time Superbowl MVP need protecting by a rookie WR?
if not most of the throws Eli makes in this offense have an 'anticipation' element to them. In other words, Eli isn't always throwing to an open receiver - he's throwing to a spot on the field and counting on the receiver to get himself open.
Dollars to donuts, the INT today was in that category. The play calls for Eli to have the ball out of his hands before the receiver has made his move to come back.
if not most of the throws Eli makes in this offense have an 'anticipation' element to them. In other words, Eli isn't always throwing to an open receiver - he's throwing to a spot on the field and counting on the receiver to get himself open.
Dollars to donuts, the INT today was in that category. The play calls for Eli to have the ball out of his hands before the receiver has made his move to come back.
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It today's NFL, you don't take a 7 step drop and wait for a guy to get separation and wave his hand at you. 80% of passes are made before a receiver makes his cut. Guy runs the wrong wrote or runs it sloppy, INTs happen.
Good and Bad Moments and is to be expected ....
This Defense is going to get better and If they stay
healthy the 10 wins I thought they could get will be
obtained .
He kinda bailed on the play and didn't finish his route. Eli threw to a spot. It happens... rookie mistake. The kid came up huge on his TD and is going to be a hell of a player.
He kinda bailed on the play and didn't finish his route. Eli threw to a spot. It happens... rookie mistake. The kid came up huge on his TD and is going to be a hell of a player.
I can live with the rookie mistakes. Long as he's not still doing the same thing year 4 like his predecessor.
Exactly, bad plays are generally not 100% one player's fault.
The CB was already breaking on the ball when Eli let it go and the pass did not have any zip. Eli probably should have gone elsewhere. It was either an INT or an INC. Shepherd's bad play made it an INT.
Opinions are opinions but in this case it is clearly a fact. Let's see-they run the reply 3 times and you can clearly see Shepherd stops his route and does not come back for the ball, then as Shepard comes off the field, the OC is in his grille about it, then in a post game press conference the head coach tells you it is not on Eli and the player himself admits it was his fault and posters here are still blaming Eli? Just stop!
Turned wrong and allowed the CB to get inside of him. Had he run the route correctly he would have screened the defender off and prevented a pick had he not caught the ball.
understand what is the likely scenario. The play is set up such that the WR is informed to turn around on his route after a certain time because if the blitz comes the QB will have to let it go. It looks atrocious on the QB but there are likely so many plays in the game where the WR does the right thing and it looks like that was the play all along. The coaches were mad because the rookie didn't do what he had to do in that scenario and on a route that requires timing and the WR coming back on the ball. It makes Eli look even worse because Eli probably sees this and has to decide if he should throw it and hope hes there, or hold it and take the sack.
he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
Sure. Even though there's confirmation of what happened and who was at fault, you state something different. Shut your stupid pie hole.
Even when I didn't know who's fault it was, I wasn't lambasted Eli--mistakes happen. I can't imagine the shit you dim bulbs post on game threads and will never participate.
RE: love seeing JC rush to the defense of a 35 year old millionnaire
the game thread was a shitshow with several posters declaring the game over at the start of the 4th quarter, the prerequisite dupes throwing out racist posts and general stupidity that said Eli is cooked.
It's absolutely a fact that there are several posters
Absolutely. As I stated in my previous post, the replay, the Giants OC, the Giants HC and the player himself stated it was Shepard's fault, not Eli's. Why the hell is this even being debated? I get it, 2+2 equals 5.
he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
Sure. Even though there's confirmation of what happened and who was at fault, you state something different. Shut your stupid pie hole.
Even when I didn't know who's fault it was, I wasn't lambasted Eli--mistakes happen. I can't imagine the shit you dim bulbs post on game threads and will never participate.
Listen, we all know you are a miserable cunt. One of the most worthless posters ever to contribute to this board. I find it absolutely hysterical that I am labeled as one of the biggest Eli homers ever, so for me to put something on Eli shows that I am being objective in what I saw. I already stated that SS made a mistake. But it also means that Eli may have made a mistake too. Even if SS runs the route right, he most likely would have been blanketed and its not a throw that could be made. The best thing to hope for is an incompletion.
Now going back to your meaningless existence. I wouldnt ask you advice for how to piss in a toilet, because you are such a bitch you need to squat in order to piss. So I will be damned if I ever listen to a single thing you ever say when it comes to football. So ill kindly end this with a fuck you, and have a nice day.
and I don't buy that Eli was throwing to a spot in anticipation of Shepherd being there. Maybe SS screwed up early in the route, but Eli had a clear view that Carr was positioned in front of him before he went into his throwing motion. He threw the ball right at Carr, and even worse, he threw it low where SS could not even contest it if he came back towards it.
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I can't wait to see the more seasoned version
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Odell Beckham Jr Junior
His TD was a thing of beauty.
It's a timing thing. Eli throws that ball before Sheppard makes the break. He can't predict that Sheppard was going to quit on the route like that. It's a bang bang throw.
What do you think this is peewee? It is a timing throw...
first career agreement. cheers to that! both players mentioned on this thread played excellent games today. Eli was in full command, we just didnt have the ball enough. Going to be a big year.
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?
So Yes I'm calling BS on blaming Sheppard.
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?
So Yes I'm calling BS on blaming Sheppard.
Case in point one of the dim bulbs from game thread...
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he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
first career agreement. cheers to that! both players mentioned on this thread played excellent games today. Eli was in full command, we just didnt have the ball enough. Going to be a big year.
I think we have agreed before! But I think its a play they both can learn from and improve on.
McAdoo said the primary mistake was he turned the wrong way... secondly he was supposed to come back hard to the ball... said it was a rookie mistake ... at no point did McAdoo even hint he had any issue with Eli throwing the pass
Want to blame Sheppard for the route, great. The CB was 2 yards ahead of him closer to Eli. Would have been a hell of a comeback to get back around the CB to get to that throw.
How do explain that? Was it a timing route?
So Yes I'm calling BS on blaming Sheppard.
So you think that Coach McAdoo and Sheppard himself are being dishonest when they put it on him?
Or do you think they were protecting Eli by taking responsibility? If so, why does a 12 year veteran, 2 time Superbowl MVP need protecting by a rookie WR?
Dollars to donuts, the INT today was in that category. The play calls for Eli to have the ball out of his hands before the receiver has made his move to come back.
Dollars to donuts, the INT today was in that category. The play calls for Eli to have the ball out of his hands before the receiver has made his move to come back.
+1
It today's NFL, you don't take a 7 step drop and wait for a guy to get separation and wave his hand at you. 80% of passes are made before a receiver makes his cut. Guy runs the wrong wrote or runs it sloppy, INTs happen.
This Defense is going to get better and If they stay
healthy the 10 wins I thought they could get will be
obtained .
I can live with the rookie mistakes. Long as he's not still doing the same thing year 4 like his predecessor.
Exactly, bad plays are generally not 100% one player's fault.
The CB was already breaking on the ball when Eli let it go and the pass did not have any zip. Eli probably should have gone elsewhere. It was either an INT or an INC. Shepherd's bad play made it an INT.
Very good play by the CB.
Next time SS will turn around. Lessons learned.
Even when I didn't know who's fault it was, I wasn't lambasted Eli--mistakes happen. I can't imagine the shit you dim bulbs post on game threads and will never participate.
Well gee whiz i feel like my thread has been validated now that the dunce has chimed in...
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he didnt step into the throw. He should have thrown it away. I am wondering if SS runs it right, if he at least breaks it up. Guess we will never know.
Sure. Even though there's confirmation of what happened and who was at fault, you state something different. Shut your stupid pie hole.
Even when I didn't know who's fault it was, I wasn't lambasted Eli--mistakes happen. I can't imagine the shit you dim bulbs post on game threads and will never participate.
Listen, we all know you are a miserable cunt. One of the most worthless posters ever to contribute to this board. I find it absolutely hysterical that I am labeled as one of the biggest Eli homers ever, so for me to put something on Eli shows that I am being objective in what I saw. I already stated that SS made a mistake. But it also means that Eli may have made a mistake too. Even if SS runs the route right, he most likely would have been blanketed and its not a throw that could be made. The best thing to hope for is an incompletion.
Now going back to your meaningless existence. I wouldnt ask you advice for how to piss in a toilet, because you are such a bitch you need to squat in order to piss. So I will be damned if I ever listen to a single thing you ever say when it comes to football. So ill kindly end this with a fuck you, and have a nice day.