Nobody is really talking about it because we won... but how do you not go for it on that 4th and 1 from the 39?
Our O-line was abusing Dallas on that drive. Jennings was running great. Instead, you punt the ball 19 fucking yards instead of taking a 50/50 shot at just ending the game right then and there.
I'm sorry, but I'd bet almost any statistical model has going for it as the right play. A 19 yard punt instead of a 50% chance of ending the game on the spot? Not the right call.
We got lucky, but that cowardly call almost cost us the game, IMO. 19 yards is not enough of a difference to pass on a 50% chance of winning the game right away.
you don't spend $200M on your defense to set them up to fail.
You punt the ball and let them play like the Giants did.
I think 30 coaches do that exact same thing. Maybe 2 go for it. Maybe and they're not two coaches who would have a long NFL history.
If Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers are on the other side, MAYBE you could debate it
Today, though, I can't fault NYG for trusting the defense (and punter) more than the offense, in that situation.
High snap but he should have lofted it shorter than the endzone IMO.
I also think that it sends a message to the defense that McAdoo believes in them.
Yes!
1. take a delay of game and punted(more room to punt and work on pinning inside 10 plus you take another second off the clock LOL)
2. tried to draw them offside then take delay...
based on my two options i cannot see why trying to draw them off was an issue? line up and see if you could get a DL to jump...considering the personnel they had on the field, it would have been possible to get one of those inexperienced DL to jump and we end the game that way. end of the day i agree with a punt it was just a dog shit punt
+1
But overall our four minute drill was not mismanaged like last year. Loved commitment to running and playing the time game.
Compared to the trying to have it both ways logic of last year.
The play in my honest unpopular opinion is to win the fucking game right there, especially on the road. Just get the yard and go home.
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It was just a really shitty punt.
High snap but he should have lofted it shorter than the endzone IMO.
that is why they need me as a 2nd punter, I always kick it about 30-35 yards.
The play in my honest unpopular opinion is to win the fucking game right there, especially on the road. Just get the yard and go home.
the Giants were running surprisingly well, but the context to me is irrelevant, you play that exactly like McAdoo did 100% of the time. 4th and 1 defense is a different look and the Giants didn't have many (any?) short yardage chances, but no reason to go for it anyway, none. the Cowboys had 0 timeouts and the Giants D was playing well, no reason to force an ultimatum play at that point.
Do we want it to be?
The play in my honest unpopular opinion is to win the fucking game right there, especially on the road. Just get the yard and go home.
Actually, on that last series, the first and second down runs into the stacked box lost two yards.
On 3rd and 12, Giants went to the shotgun and Dallas, amazingly enough, respected the pass and left a soft middle for the draw play.
That wasn't happening on fourth down.
He played it smart and they team won.
I;m just happy they had enough of a running game to where they were able to tun out so much of the clock that they did and a defense up to the task to keep them from getting in FG range.
Had he not been disciplined enough ans gambled we could easily be sitting here talking about how we lost another close on at the end.
By the way, Bailey is a beast of a kicker. Giants could use another kicker like him.
^This. Going for it is the wrong move. If they had gone for it abd didn't get it Dallas would have won the game. There is little doubt in my mind they would have gotten in range.
you don't spend $200M on your defense to set them up to fail.
You punt the ball and let them play like the Giants did.
I think 30 coaches do that exact same thing. Maybe 2 go for it. Maybe and they're not two coaches who would have a long NFL history.
Belichick went for it on his own 30 yard line. :)
Yesterday McAdoo runs the ball and instead of allowing the offense to an the game turns it her to his new defense. Now we question him. Fans are so predictable.
However, it was a BAD SNAP where he just made sure to get the punt off.
If you don't make it on 4th and 1 the game is OVER. he went with the odds there.
Also, the coach is telling the defense that he trusts them. It builds confidence for the D.
But as for going for it vs. punting, I agree punting was right. Had to make them march the field.
It was the absolute right call, imo
1. take a delay of game and punted(more room to punt and work on pinning inside 10 plus you take another second off the clock LOL)
2. tried to draw them offside then take delay...
based on my two options i cannot see why trying to draw them off was an issue? line up and see if you could get a DL to jump...considering the personnel they had on the field, it would have been possible to get one of those inexperienced DL to jump and we end the game that way. end of the day i agree with a punt it was just a dog shit punt
Agreed. At least try to draw them off. Eli is good at that.
Also, the coach is telling the defense that he trusts them. It builds confidence for the D.
This is a good point. Vernon even brought it up after the game. It showed the defense that McAdoo trusted them. Vernon made the point of saying we are a different D than last year, and it felt great when the coach showed confidence in us.
as it turned out, big conidence boost for our D. Williams couldn't run out of bounds because DRC played smart heads up ball wouldn't let him. winning play by DRC
Bullshit. The snap was awful and Wing's number one job is to catch the ball, avoid a block and catastrophe, and punt that baby downfield as quickly as possible. He did his job.
That being said, it couldn't hurt to bring Feagles in to school the kid on directional punting.
what was his excuse when he did it earlier in the game too?
like I said, he had a rough night. Not a disaster put struggled on his short game
ball was chest high but a little to the right. not exactly a difficult snap to field. i'm sure he expects better of himself there
There really would be no risk at all in doing so, because under no situation would the ball be hiked. If successful, the reward would have been significant.
All in all, it seemed like a textbook hard-count situation.
With the pressure of the moment on Dallas to make a stop with their back's to the wall and with the way they had been torched on the ground in the 4th, there really seemed to be a good possibility that they might have been drawn off and the game would have been over at that moment.