Punting from the 39 instead of 4th and 1 to win the game....

would have gone for it, but it isn't cowardly not to do so.

It was just a really shitty punt.

with 2 minutes left instead of 1.

enjoy the moment.

If we hadn't made it, and Dallas did just what they did on that last drive, we'd have lost.

I also think that it sends a message to the defense that McAdoo believes in them.

In comment 13116561 yatqb said:

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If we hadn't made it, and Dallas did just what they did on that last drive, we'd have lost. I also think that it sends a message to the defense that McAdoo believes in them.

You put the pressure on Prescott to win it. He is still a rookie, learning and such. The punt was the right call. Maybe if we had TE Will Johnson who could actually block we may have gone for it. Don't know, just saying.

Look at the scenario

Dallas has a really good kicker with long range accuracy

Dallas has R QB

You punt and make him try to go the distance needed

Problem is the punt went into the end as there was no one there.

it's arguable, but Mc decided to play the percentages and have faith in Wing who, remember, has a history of pinning inside the 10.

Not super clear cut either way, but I'm completely fine with his decision even if the Giants had lost.

In comment 13116566 stretch234 said:

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Look at the scenario Dallas has a really good kicker with long range accuracy Dallas has R QB You punt and make him try to go the distance needed Problem is the punt went into the end as there was no one there.

yea because deossie air mailed one to wing. i would have lost my shit if that cost the giants the game.

With 2:15 left and 10 ticks left they inexplicably ran. Obviously you run the clock to 1 and call timeout there. Then figure out a play that takes 6 seconds and runs to the warning win or lose.

I was fine punting where they did. They fucked up earlier though

that was the RIGHT one was Jack Del Rio going for the 2pt conversion to win it. If I were a HC, I would always do that rather than gamble with OT.

And if it wasn't for the high snap Wing had a better shot to pin them deep.

then I definitely go for it on 4th and 1, otherwise I think with the amount of time left in the game and the place on the field and then out of TO's you punt the ball 100% of the time.

with a 1pt lead, if you don't make it they need 20 yards to win the game.

and wing pins them at the 5, no one would be thinking it was the wrong call. It all had to do with the snap.

Not too bad, but yes, starting at 20 was scary. They only need 40'yds to kick fg.

In comment 13116570 MetsAreBack said:

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With 2:15 left and 10 ticks left they inexplicably ran. Obviously you run the clock to 1 and call timeout there. Then figure out a play that takes 6 seconds and runs to the warning win or lose. I was fine punting where they did. They fucked up earlier though

I was thinking same thing, but most incomplete passes take less than 6 seconds. A 3 or 4 second difference and I would do what you suggest.

you DO NOT go for that. IMO the giants should have

1. take a delay of game and punted(more room to punt and work on pinning inside 10 plus you take another second off the clock LOL)

2. tried to draw them offside then take delay...

based on my two options i cannot see why trying to draw them off was an issue? line up and see if you could get a DL to jump...considering the personnel they had on the field, it would have been possible to get one of those inexperienced DL to jump and we end the game that way. end of the day i agree with a punt it was just a dog shit punt

In comment 13116570 MetsAreBack said:

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With 2:15 left and 10 ticks left they inexplicably ran. Obviously you run the clock to 1 and call timeout there. Then figure out a play that takes 6 seconds and runs to the warning win or lose. I was fine punting where they did. They fucked up earlier though

I just reviewed the DVR and the second down snap was at 2:10 with only :02 left on the snap clock.

So I think your premise is false.

If we convert on 4th and 1, we win the game. If we don't, we gift Dallas an extra 35 seconds to score the winning points. As it turned out, they almost won the game with the time they did have.

We lost 5 games last year because our defense couldn't hold onto a lead down the stretch. These guys need to nut up and do their jobs. And if they still aren't able to do it after the money the team spent this offseason, I'd like to find that out now, so I can save myself the aggravation of watching them this fall.

and won ...

The worst case scenario in going for it is ... worse.

Good call

Try to get them offsides and take the 5 yard penalty. Then punt. Bailey scares the shit out of me. That dude can hit from 65 yard out.

with 1:12 left in a 1-pt game and the ball on the opposing 39 yard line you don't go for it n 4th and 1. It's not aggressive, it's malpractice.

you don't spend $200M on your defense to set them up to fail.

You punt the ball and let them play like the Giants did.

I think 30 coaches do that exact same thing. Maybe 2 go for it. Maybe and they're not two coaches who would have a long NFL history.

It was an easy call.

if you go for it and don't make it, you're going to lose the game. If the punter executes, you have a very small chance to lose the game

facing a 4th round rookie QB.

If Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers are on the other side, MAYBE you could debate it

in these kinds of things.

Today, though, I can't fault NYG for trusting the defense (and punter) more than the offense, in that situation.

In comment 13116555 Vanzetti said:

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It was just a really shitty punt.

High snap but he should have lofted it shorter than the endzone IMO.

In comment 13116561 yatqb said:

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If we hadn't made it, and Dallas did just what they did on that last drive, we'd have lost. I also think that it sends a message to the defense that McAdoo believes in them.

Yes!

In comment 13116597 BleedBlue said:

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you DO NOT go for that. IMO the giants should have 1. take a delay of game and punted(more room to punt and work on pinning inside 10 plus you take another second off the clock LOL) 2. tried to draw them offside then take delay... based on my two options i cannot see why trying to draw them off was an issue? line up and see if you could get a DL to jump...considering the personnel they had on the field, it would have been possible to get one of those inexperienced DL to jump and we end the game that way. end of the day i agree with a punt it was just a dog shit punt

+1

That was the only tough call. Could go either way there.

But overall our four minute drill was not mismanaged like last year. Loved commitment to running and playing the time game.

Compared to the trying to have it both ways logic of last year.

I would have taken the 5 yard delay of game penalty to give Wing a little more room to pin them.

Jennings was ripping off 8 and 11 yard runs against a stacked box that knew we were running.

The play in my honest unpopular opinion is to win the fucking game right there, especially on the road. Just get the yard and go home.

In comment 13116661 Giants2012 said:

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In comment 13116555 Vanzetti said: Quote: It was just a really shitty punt. High snap but he should have lofted it shorter than the endzone IMO.

that is why they need me as a 2nd punter, I always kick it about 30-35 yards.

In comment 13116708 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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Jennings was ripping off 8 and 11 yard runs against a stacked box that knew we were running. The play in my honest unpopular opinion is to win the fucking game right there, especially on the road. Just get the yard and go home.

the Giants were running surprisingly well, but the context to me is irrelevant, you play that exactly like McAdoo did 100% of the time. 4th and 1 defense is a different look and the Giants didn't have many (any?) short yardage chances, but no reason to go for it anyway, none. the Cowboys had 0 timeouts and the Giants D was playing well, no reason to force an ultimatum play at that point.

Is the QB sneak in the playbook now that Coughlin's not the HC?

Do we want it to be?

Baileys too good to risk that kind of real estate. I might have tried some play action earlier in the series, I mean, you've got Eli and OBJ and Cruz and Shep so there's a lot of playmakers on the field, but once it was 4th down it was the right call to punt. Bad snap kept the punter from making a good punt but what are you gonna do there?

In comment 13116708 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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Jennings was ripping off 8 and 11 yard runs against a stacked box that knew we were running. The play in my honest unpopular opinion is to win the fucking game right there, especially on the road. Just get the yard and go home.

Actually, on that last series, the first and second down runs into the stacked box lost two yards.

On 3rd and 12, Giants went to the shotgun and Dallas, amazingly enough, respected the pass and left a soft middle for the draw play.

That wasn't happening on fourth down.

to pick up the first on 3rd down.

He played it smart and they team won.

I;m just happy they had enough of a running game to where they were able to tun out so much of the clock that they did and a defense up to the task to keep them from getting in FG range.

Had he not been disciplined enough ans gambled we could easily be sitting here talking about how we lost another close on at the end.

If Giants don't make it, they (Dallas) doesn't have to go very far to get into Bailey's range, which has become easily 50 plus. What the Giants needed there was Wing to put the ball inside the 10!!! It was all about field position and making them go farther using up more clock. Maybe Mac goes for it in a game with a lesser kicker, who knows?!

By the way, Bailey is a beast of a kicker. Giants could use another kicker like him.

though the adrenaline rush that comes in those situations makes you want to go for it.

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In comment 13116556 OBJ_AllDay said:

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with 2 minutes left instead of 1.

^This. Going for it is the wrong move. If they had gone for it abd didn't get it Dallas would have won the game. There is little doubt in my mind they would have gotten in range.

In comment 13116630 pjcas18 said:

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with 1:12 left in a 1-pt game and the ball on the opposing 39 yard line you don't go for it n 4th and 1. It's not aggressive, it's malpractice. you don't spend $200M on your defense to set them up to fail. You punt the ball and let them play like the Giants did. I think 30 coaches do that exact same thing. Maybe 2 go for it. Maybe and they're not two coaches who would have a long NFL history.

Belichick went for it on his own 30 yard line. :)

anyone Coughlin was Criticized for not running at the end of games but instead throwing the ball trying to close games out.

Yesterday McAdoo runs the ball and instead of allowing the offense to an the game turns it her to his new defense. Now we question him. Fans are so predictable.

That is his strength. He did it all pre-season. That's what Mac expected to happen.

However, it was a BAD SNAP where he just made sure to get the punt off.

If you don't make it on 4th and 1 the game is OVER. he went with the odds there.

You punt there. Just wasn't executed well.

to be made

For the punt, really bad snap. His number one priority at that point is to get off a clean punt.

This to me isn't a debate when Bailey is the kicker. Assuming you get the yard just because the giants were running well uisn't wise in my opinion, because like it was said earlier, short yardage offense\defense is different. The only thing I thought he might do was keep the offense out to attempt to draw them offside, which to me has zero risk

Giving the Cowboys a shorter field was a huge risk there.

Also, the coach is telling the defense that he trusts them. It builds confidence for the D.

is why Eli didnt go up there and try to draw them offside. Worst case scenario is that we take a 5 yard penalty. We;; frankly we could have used the extra space to punt. So the only real downside is that a penalty would have stopped the clock, which is a problem you can minimize by not lining up until the last 6-7 seconds.

But as for going for it vs. punting, I agree punting was right. Had to make them march the field.

and the best analysis stares you in the face. You CANNOT give a short field with the strongest leg in football, Bailey's, looming..There are no sure things(picking up the yard) at play here. Besides, the talk on here since FA started was how we had the worst line in football. Some said "ever."

It was the absolute right call, imo

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Had Dallas scored, we would have wasted a sorely need TO given how little time would have remained

In comment 13116597 BleedBlue said:

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you DO NOT go for that. IMO the giants should have 1. take a delay of game and punted(more room to punt and work on pinning inside 10 plus you take another second off the clock LOL) 2. tried to draw them offside then take delay... based on my two options i cannot see why trying to draw them off was an issue? line up and see if you could get a DL to jump...considering the personnel they had on the field, it would have been possible to get one of those inexperienced DL to jump and we end the game that way. end of the day i agree with a punt it was just a dog shit punt

Agreed. At least try to draw them off. Eli is good at that.

if it was romo behind center for dallas, given his history of engineering game winning drives, i think we would have went for it rather than risk putting it back in romo's hands.

Based on that, it was smarter to take off some more time and make them go 55 yards then leave them only 35 yds away from Bailey's range. I bet if the Cowboys had a timeout or two we would have tried it.

In comment 13116853 RobCarpenter said:

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Giving the Cowboys a shorter field was a huge risk there. Also, the coach is telling the defense that he trusts them. It builds confidence for the D.

This is a good point. Vernon even brought it up after the game. It showed the defense that McAdoo trusted them. Vernon made the point of saying we are a different D than last year, and it felt great when the coach showed confidence in us.

was the right call. The long snap sucked which disrupted timing. If he hung it the way he would have liked it probably would have been around the 5-10 yard line.

had a tough night. the call could go either way but high snap or not, wing needs to put the ball around the 10 yard line. don't need it at the 1 but inside the 10 is the goal, with lots of hang

as it turned out, big conidence boost for our D. Williams couldn't run out of bounds because DRC played smart heads up ball wouldn't let him. winning play by DRC

maybe they should go for it but going up against a rookie QB makes punting the right call IMO. If it's Brady or Rodgers or some other all world QB, I think trying to get the one yard becomes more of a discussion.

In comment 13117096 area junc said:

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had a tough night. the call could go either way but high snap or not, wing needs to put the ball around the 10 yard line. don't need it at the 1 but inside the 10 is the goal, with lots of hang

Bullshit. The snap was awful and Wing's number one job is to catch the ball, avoid a block and catastrophe, and punt that baby downfield as quickly as possible. He did his job.

You're exactly right. Once that snap was bad, Wing's responsibility is to get rid of the ball ASAP. A touchback isn't ideal, but it sure as hell beats a blocked punt.

bad snap, bad punt.

That being said, it couldn't hurt to bring Feagles in to school the kid on directional punting.

and BBI is probably committing hara-kiri right now after the Cowboys win by 2 points after an easy FG. That's a game-saving play.

it's a disaster. Holy shit, some of you are unreal

not exactly the most difficult thing in the world, bad snap or not
what was his excuse when he did it earlier in the game too?

like I said, he had a rough night. Not a disaster put struggled on his short game

to make sure i didn't miss something.

ball was chest high but a little to the right. not exactly a difficult snap to field. i'm sure he expects better of himself there

no problem punting - but have to pin them down - thought a corner kick was the play and avoid a touch back

In my opinion, as others have also stated, I agree that in that position on the field, with a yard to go, it probably would have made a good amount of sense to hurry up to the line of scrimmage and have Eli bark out a hard-count, in an attempt to have the Cowboys jump offside.

There really would be no risk at all in doing so, because under no situation would the ball be hiked. If successful, the reward would have been significant.

All in all, it seemed like a textbook hard-count situation.

With the pressure of the moment on Dallas to make a stop with their back's to the wall and with the way they had been torched on the ground in the 4th, there really seemed to be a good possibility that they might have been drawn off and the game would have been over at that moment.