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Punting from the 39 instead of 4th and 1 to win the game....

Flanker7 : 9/11/2016 10:30 pm
Nobody is really talking about it because we won... but how do you not go for it on that 4th and 1 from the 39?

Our O-line was abusing Dallas on that drive. Jennings was running great. Instead, you punt the ball 19 fucking yards instead of taking a 50/50 shot at just ending the game right then and there.

I'm sorry, but I'd bet almost any statistical model has going for it as the right play. A 19 yard punt instead of a 50% chance of ending the game on the spot? Not the right call.

We got lucky, but that cowardly call almost cost us the game, IMO. 19 yards is not enough of a difference to pass on a 50% chance of winning the game right away.
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What I didnt understand  
Deej : 9/12/2016 7:59 am : link
is why Eli didnt go up there and try to draw them offside. Worst case scenario is that we take a 5 yard penalty. We;; frankly we could have used the extra space to punt. So the only real downside is that a penalty would have stopped the clock, which is a problem you can minimize by not lining up until the last 6-7 seconds.

But as for going for it vs. punting, I agree punting was right. Had to make them march the field.
Sometimes it really is kinda simple  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 8:06 am : link
and the best analysis stares you in the face. You CANNOT give a short field with the strongest leg in football, Bailey's, looming..There are no sure things(picking up the yard) at play here. Besides, the talk on here since FA started was how we had the worst line in football. Some said "ever."

It was the absolute right call, imo
And Deej, agreed  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 8:08 am : link
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Although, now that I think about it,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 8:10 am : link
Had Dallas scored, we would have wasted a sorely need TO given how little time would have remained
RE: no shot  
NNJ Tom : 9/12/2016 9:02 am : link
In comment 13116597 BleedBlue said:
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you DO NOT go for that. IMO the giants should have

1. take a delay of game and punted(more room to punt and work on pinning inside 10 plus you take another second off the clock LOL)

2. tried to draw them offside then take delay...

based on my two options i cannot see why trying to draw them off was an issue? line up and see if you could get a DL to jump...considering the personnel they had on the field, it would have been possible to get one of those inexperienced DL to jump and we end the game that way. end of the day i agree with a punt it was just a dog shit punt


Agreed. At least try to draw them off. Eli is good at that.
it was the right call  
Les in TO : 9/12/2016 9:04 am : link
if it was romo behind center for dallas, given his history of engineering game winning drives, i think we would have went for it rather than risk putting it back in romo's hands.
The key was that Dallas had no timeouts  
PatersonPlank : 9/12/2016 9:05 am : link
Based on that, it was smarter to take off some more time and make them go 55 yards then leave them only 35 yds away from Bailey's range. I bet if the Cowboys had a timeout or two we would have tried it.
RE: Don't get the nitpicking here  
PatersonPlank : 9/12/2016 9:08 am : link
In comment 13116853 RobCarpenter said:
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Giving the Cowboys a shorter field was a huge risk there.

Also, the coach is telling the defense that he trusts them. It builds confidence for the D.


This is a good point. Vernon even brought it up after the game. It showed the defense that McAdoo trusted them. Vernon made the point of saying we are a different D than last year, and it felt great when the coach showed confidence in us.
Punting  
giantsfan227B : 9/12/2016 9:20 am : link
was the right call. The long snap sucked which disrupted timing. If he hung it the way he would have liked it probably would have been around the 5-10 yard line.

wing  
area junc : 9/12/2016 9:29 am : link
had a tough night. the call could go either way but high snap or not, wing needs to put the ball around the 10 yard line. don't need it at the 1 but inside the 10 is the goal, with lots of hang

as it turned out, big conidence boost for our D. Williams couldn't run out of bounds because DRC played smart heads up ball wouldn't let him. winning play by DRC
in real time I thought  
Enzo : 9/12/2016 9:31 am : link
maybe they should go for it but going up against a rookie QB makes punting the right call IMO. If it's Brady or Rodgers or some other all world QB, I think trying to get the one yard becomes more of a discussion.
RE: wing  
cosmicj : 9/12/2016 9:33 am : link
In comment 13117096 area junc said:
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had a tough night. the call could go either way but high snap or not, wing needs to put the ball around the 10 yard line. don't need it at the 1 but inside the 10 is the goal, with lots of hang


Bullshit. The snap was awful and Wing's number one job is to catch the ball, avoid a block and catastrophe, and punt that baby downfield as quickly as possible. He did his job.
dude, it's Thomas. He's the Picasso of ridiculous bullshit.  
Greg from LI : 9/12/2016 9:38 am : link
You're exactly right. Once that snap was bad, Wing's responsibility is to get rid of the ball ASAP. A touchback isn't ideal, but it sure as hell beats a blocked punt.
yes  
feelflows : 9/12/2016 9:40 am : link
bad snap, bad punt.

That being said, it couldn't hurt to bring Feagles in to school the kid on directional punting.
Wing tries to get cute  
cosmicj : 9/12/2016 9:40 am : link
and BBI is probably committing hara-kiri right now after the Cowboys win by 2 points after an easy FG. That's a game-saving play.
If he doesn't handle the snap  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/12/2016 9:42 am : link
it's a disaster. Holy shit, some of you are unreal
it's a pooch punt  
area junc : 9/12/2016 9:45 am : link
not exactly the most difficult thing in the world, bad snap or not
what was his excuse when he did it earlier in the game too?

like I said, he had a rough night. Not a disaster put struggled on his short game
i just went back and looked at it  
area junc : 9/12/2016 9:56 am : link
to make sure i didn't miss something.

ball was chest high but a little to the right. not exactly a difficult snap to field. i'm sure he expects better of himself there
Pin them back  
DaBigBluez : 9/12/2016 10:20 am : link
no problem punting - but have to pin them down - thought a corner kick was the play and avoid a touch back
Made sense to line up and do a hard count...  
NYGiants4 : 9/12/2016 2:05 pm : link
In my opinion, as others have also stated, I agree that in that position on the field, with a yard to go, it probably would have made a good amount of sense to hurry up to the line of scrimmage and have Eli bark out a hard-count, in an attempt to have the Cowboys jump offside.

There really would be no risk at all in doing so, because under no situation would the ball be hiked. If successful, the reward would have been significant.

All in all, it seemed like a textbook hard-count situation.

With the pressure of the moment on Dallas to make a stop with their back's to the wall and with the way they had been torched on the ground in the 4th, there really seemed to be a good possibility that they might have been drawn off and the game would have been over at that moment.
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