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Terrance Williams and the out of bounds fiasco

BleedBlue : 9/11/2016 11:52 pm
anybody see NFL Network the gameday overtime?

prime and LT literally said terrance williams cost dallas the game!?!?!

are these two dudes smoking crack or what?

He got TACKLED at the 40, if he immediately ran out of bounds when he caught it he would have been out around the 45-50 this would have made for a 60+ yarder...

1. yes he could maybe make it but lets not act like its guaranteed
2. that didnt COST them the game...like wtf. no credit for the giants stopping the golden boy zeke? no love for the giants WRs?

man i am SO HAPPY when we beat dallas, it literally is so much sweeter because of the constant blowathon that these networks have for Dallas
Doesn't matter  
Rambo : 9/11/2016 11:58 pm : link
He had 3 seconds on the clock, was about 5 yards away from out of bounds and there was a chance Cromartie would get to him beforehand and tackle him inbounds. Made no difference.
Dallas fans are  
giantgiantfan : 9/12/2016 12:04 am : link
believing this. We'd believe it to if Dan Bailey was our kicker. We feel we beat ourselves in week 1 too. Ultimately they let it come down to a play and it failed. They could not beat us in the trenches, they had no big plays, and they even won the turnover battle.

Fuck em, we fucked em right in their house.
Bailey's first kick would have been good from 60+  
Vanzetti : 9/12/2016 12:34 am : link
Best kicker in the game.

So while it is ridiculous to say Williams cost them the game, I think he would have had a shot at making the FG from the 45 yardline
Bummer  
Klaatu : 9/12/2016 12:48 am : link
....
He should have went out of bounds  
ZogZerg : 9/12/2016 6:51 am : link
but, no one knows whether they even would have tried the 63+ yard kick, and if he did, made it. So yeah, they are the typical fools who assumed if he went out of bounds that he would have been at the same yard line.
Did you guys not watch  
5BowlsSoon : 9/12/2016 6:56 am : link
He made a 56 yard fg with plenty to spare. So, why would you think a 60 yard fg would have been too much?
Just saw a replay on the last play  
blueblood'11 : 9/12/2016 7:12 am : link
No way he gets out of bounds. DRC was right there. Williams had no other option other then to give himself up and maybe then Dallas could clock it and try what would have easily been a 60 yard plus field goal and given Bailey's leg who doesn't know whether he makes it or not.
Do yourself a favor  
mfsd : 9/12/2016 7:12 am : link
don't listen to those twits after a game.
to the OP  
Tuckrule : 9/12/2016 7:54 am : link
so your saying williams made the right play by staying in bounds? Of course it was a bonehead play. You gotta get out of bounds and worse case throw up a hail mary. You can see dez in the background pointing and yelling for williams to run towards the sideline
Smart play  
Carson53 : 9/12/2016 8:07 am : link
by DRC, using the sideline as his friend, Williams blinked,
and I loved it. I think they would have tried a hail mary,
but with Bailey, who knows?
That dude is just automatic, him, Tucker and Gostkowski
are the three great kickers in the league. That is my opinion.
DRC had position on him  
Beer Man : 9/12/2016 8:18 am : link
I don't think he could have made it to the sideline
.....  
Klaatu : 9/12/2016 8:22 am : link
here is the definitive replay  
Del Shofner : 9/12/2016 8:33 am : link
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watch this for the answer on the out of bounds fiasco - ( New Window )
I just watched it again  
therealmf : 9/12/2016 8:40 am : link
and it sure looks to me that he could have gotten out of bounds at about the 47 yard line. Right after he makes the catch and starts to turn down field, he and DRC are about 3 to 4 yards from the sideline and 6 yards apart. If he made the decision right then he had everychance of getting out of bounds.

Not saying it cost them the game, but it did cost them another play. Bonehead play.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000700525/Clock-runs-out-after-Williams-doesn-t-get-out-of-bounds
If he headed for the sideline with DRC in position,  
WideRight : 9/12/2016 8:46 am : link
Th
The most likely outcome  
WideRight : 9/12/2016 8:48 am : link
would be contact with DRC, forcing him backwards and out of bounds.

That would mean his point of progress would still have been in bounds, and the clock would continue to run.
Yes he should have gotten out of bounds  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2016 8:50 am : link
and that's not why they lost.

We scored more...
He ensured the loss, he didn't cause the loss  
sb from NYT Forum : 9/12/2016 8:51 am : link
Big difference.
RE: The most likely outcome  
therealmf : 9/12/2016 8:55 am : link
In comment 13116966 WideRight said:
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would be contact with DRC, forcing him backwards and out of bounds.

That would mean his point of progress would still have been in bounds, and the clock would continue to run.


Look at DRC's feet. He was decelerating when Williams looked upfield. All Williams had to do was take 2 or 3 steps and dive.
I don't know how anyone can watch the replay  
Mad Mike : 9/12/2016 8:57 am : link
and genuinely think he couldn't have made it out of bounds. It seems obvious he could have, but he would've had to pretty much go straight out, which would have cost a lot of yardage. The resulting kick would have been longer than Bailey's career long, probably by more than a few yards. That doesn't mean he would've missed, but it would have been a very miss-able kick, even for someone as good as him. Obviously it's silly to say his decision cost them the game, but it was still the wrong decision.
DRC made the play of the game  
NNJ Tom : 9/12/2016 8:58 am : link
watch it in slow motion, he clearly moves up-field cutting of Williams and baiting him to turn it up field. If he tries to go immediately out of bounds, DRC crushes him. Game over either way.

Stupid of them to blame Williams.
before the ball was snapped  
EricJ : 9/12/2016 9:02 am : link
in the game thread. I was saying that the Giants needed to protect the sidelines and keep the WRs from getting out of bounds. That they did not have enough time to run a second play. Even if the pass went for 30 yards, the game would have been over. Anything short of a TD the game would have been over if the WR was kept in bounds.

So, DRC made the right call. Williams should have gone to the sideline and even though it would mean Bailey's attempt would have been 5 yards longer, that is the only chance they had. Plus, Bailey has the leg to make that.
RE: RE: The most likely outcome  
WideRight : 9/12/2016 9:05 am : link
In comment 13116978 therealmf said:
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In comment 13116966 WideRight said:


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would be contact with DRC, forcing him backwards and out of bounds.

That would mean his point of progress would still have been in bounds, and the clock would continue to run.



Look at DRC's feet. He was decelerating when Williams looked upfield. All Williams had to do was take 2 or 3 steps and dive.


If Williams had it in his mind to to go straight out, yes. But he caught it with a plan to plant and face the D. Both were decelerating. Probably could have made it while maintaining forward progress.....

The final point is that DRC played that catch perfectly....

Bad move by Williams  
SomeFan : 9/12/2016 9:09 am : link
As others gave said, he took away any chance.
RE: RE: RE: The most likely outcome  
therealmf : 9/12/2016 9:10 am : link
In comment 13117005 WideRight said:
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In comment 13116978 therealmf said:


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In comment 13116966 WideRight said:


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would be contact with DRC, forcing him backwards and out of bounds.

That would mean his point of progress would still have been in bounds, and the clock would continue to run.



Look at DRC's feet. He was decelerating when Williams looked upfield. All Williams had to do was take 2 or 3 steps and dive.



If Williams had it in his mind to to go straight out, yes. But he caught it with a plan to plant and face the D. Both were decelerating. Probably could have made it while maintaining forward progress.....

The final point is that DRC played that catch perfectly....


No the final point being that Williams could have made it out of bounds AND his plan should not have been to face the defense. That is why it was a bonehead play. He should have known his job was to advance the ball a few yards not score a TD.
DRC  
SomeFan : 9/12/2016 9:13 am : link
Seems to be our best defensive player. Love his game.
RE: Bailey's first kick would have been good from 60+  
Randy in CT : 9/12/2016 9:14 am : link
In comment 13116762 Vanzetti said:
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Best kicker in the game.

So while it is ridiculous to say Williams cost them the game, I think he would have had a shot at making the FG from the 45 yardline
If you think a 60 is a gimme or even 50/50 when the game is on the line, then I don't know what to tell you.
RE: Just saw a replay on the last play  
Bernie : 9/12/2016 9:14 am : link
In comment 13116843 blueblood'11 said:
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No way he gets out of bounds. DRC was right there. Williams had no other option other then to give himself up and maybe then Dallas could clock it and try what would have easily been a 60 yard plus field goal and given Bailey's leg who doesn't know whether he makes it or not.


this was not an option for him. It was 3rd down and he caught the ball well short of the 1st down. There was not time to get the field goal team on the field if he did that. His only option was to try and head for the sticks along the sideline, but DRC would have cut him off. Candidly, once he was caught in the middle of the field, he should have tried to lateral the ball.
RE: I don't know how anyone can watch the replay  
Enoch : 9/12/2016 9:19 am : link
In comment 13116984 Mad Mike said:
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and genuinely think he couldn't have made it out of bounds. It seems obvious he could have, but he would've had to pretty much go straight out, which would have cost a lot of yardage. The resulting kick would have been longer than Bailey's career long, probably by more than a few yards. That doesn't mean he would've missed, but it would have been a very miss-able kick, even for someone as good as him. Obviously it's silly to say his decision cost them the game, but it was still the wrong decision.

This was my take as well. He probably could have made the sideline, but even Dan Bailey isn't automatic from 63 yards out.
This is where  
bc0312 : 9/12/2016 9:19 am : link
the rookie QB was felt. A veteran QB, like Romo, would have made sure that the situation was clear and drilled it into their heads to get out of bounds.
RE: RE: Just saw a replay on the last play  
therealmf : 9/12/2016 9:21 am : link
In comment 13117039 Bernie said:
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In comment 13116843 blueblood'11 said:


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No way he gets out of bounds. DRC was right there. Williams had no other option other then to give himself up and maybe then Dallas could clock it and try what would have easily been a 60 yard plus field goal and given Bailey's leg who doesn't know whether he makes it or not.



this was not an option for him. It was 3rd down and he caught the ball well short of the 1st down. There was not time to get the field goal team on the field if he did that. His only option was to try and head for the sticks along the sideline, but DRC would have cut him off. Candidly, once he was caught in the middle of the field, he should have tried to lateral the ball.


He did not need to head for the sticks. A first down was not the goal as there was very little time. It was 3rd down, they would've/should've/could've kicked/Hail Mary on 4th down. The argument isn't that Williams cost them the game but that he cost them an opportunity for another play.
this is something that would have happened to the giants  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/12/2016 9:22 am : link
so fuck them
It is what it is.  
Giant John : 9/12/2016 9:32 am : link
He didn't get out. Game over. Move on. It was unpleasant having to listen to Aikman/Buck. Even though he probably thought he was impartial, he was pro dallas.
When Williams catches the ball,  
Mark C : 9/12/2016 9:34 am : link
there are ten seconds on the clock. If he'd bolted straight for the sideline, even with DRC reaching for him he could gotten out of bounds with at least seven seconds left. That's enough time to try another short out route to get another five to seven yards.
it looked  
Les in TO : 9/12/2016 9:38 am : link
like williams had enough space from DRC to et out of bounds anywhere from the 45-47 yard line to stop the clock, giving bailey a chance at a 62-64 yard field goal or to run another short play. while drc may have baited him to stay in bounds by taking the angle he did, that was really a massive error by Williams. not the first time boneheaded plays by a wide receiver named Williams have helped the gmen! (see the nfccg in 2011/12)
I get that Bailey is a helluva kicker  
Greg from LI : 9/12/2016 9:45 am : link
But do you know how many 62+ yard FGs have been made in the entire history of the NFL?

Six. So was it possible? Sure, but people are acting as if it would have been automatic and Terrence Williams cost the Cowboys a certain victory, which is ludicrous.
Bailey is a weapon so lets just be happy  
Jimmy Googs : 9/12/2016 9:50 am : link
he didn't get a shot at it...
Hey, I'm thrilled that he didn't even get a chance to try  
Greg from LI : 9/12/2016 9:51 am : link
But odds are against him making that kick.
RE: DRC  
chuckydee9 : 9/12/2016 9:59 am : link
In comment 13117034 SomeFan said:
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Seems to be our best defensive player. Love his game.


+1.. although this year he seems to have a good DL helping him out.. Snacks and Vernon looked really good yesterday..
RE: I get that Bailey is a helluva kicker  
Les in TO : 9/12/2016 10:04 am : link
In comment 13117152 Greg from LI said:
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But do you know how many 62+ yard FGs have been made in the entire history of the NFL?

Six. So was it possible? Sure, but people are acting as if it would have been automatic and Terrence Williams cost the Cowboys a certain victory, which is ludicrous.
I don't see too many people saying it would have been automatic. but it was negligent of Williams to not give him the chance. there is a reason he sat on the field in despair after the game while people tried to console him.
RE: When Williams catches the ball,  
Stan in LA : 9/12/2016 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13117111 Mark C said:
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there are ten seconds on the clock. If he'd bolted straight for the sideline, even with DRC reaching for him he could gotten out of bounds with at least seven seconds left. That's enough time to try another short out route to get another five to seven yards.


This ^^^
RE: I get that Bailey is a helluva kicker  
Stan in LA : 9/12/2016 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13117152 Greg from LI said:
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But do you know how many 62+ yard FGs have been made in the entire history of the NFL?

Six. So was it possible? Sure, but people are acting as if it would have been automatic and Terrence Williams cost the Cowboys a certain victory, which is ludicrous.


Because practically nobody tries 62 yard FG's. And they don't have Bailey kicking.
Alls I knows  
mrvax : 9/12/2016 1:29 pm : link
is placing the blame for the loss squarely on Williams shoulders is for fools.
And  
mrvax : 9/12/2016 1:30 pm : link
Dallas fans should be very happy that they may very well have a decent replacement for Romo!
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