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McAdoo's first game: Thoughts?

dep026 : 9/12/2016 9:06 am
Always great to get a win and no matter if there were mistakes, you win and learn from them. A couple of good and bad things stood out to me though.

Bad:
Clock Management at the end of the 1st. I know it worked out, but it was very risky. After Cruz's 1st catch in the drive, there was rough 45-50 seconds left in the half at the Cowboys' 16 yard line. I felt they should have burned a time out. Instead the clock ran down to 20 seconds after another Cruz catch. We were really limited in what we could run and were left with timeouts in our pockets. Fortunately, we were able to score, but I think the clock could have been stopped earlier.

I also thought he forced the run to start the 2nd half. I believe the first 5 first downs we had in the 2nd half we ran the ball with little success. Then we followed it up with play-action as well. I understand we needed to run to keep them off the field, but I felt it was a bit forced and we lost some rhythm that we gained in the first half.

Good:
I love how Ben and the coaches got on players early for making mistakes. Shephard and Donnell both were chewed out for mistakes that hurt the team. I am a firm believer in tough love, and a team that hasnt made the playoffs in years needs a little of that.

No RB by committee. THANK GOD. Both Vereen and Jennings had good games yesterday and we stuck with them.

At first, I thought Ben would need to throw the ball on the last drive, but he did the right thing by running it and then punting it. A rookie HC may have made a mistake trying to go for it by throwing it, but he definitely did the smart thing.



Anything else stand out to you guys? It was tough to judge the offense since they were not on the field for a lot of the game.


Regarding  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2016 9:11 am : link
the end of first half clock management:

Most of the time I would agree - but how many times have we seen this team give the ball back to the opponent with 30-45 seconds left - and have them easily score? Or at least march down the field with a FG chance.

This is absolutely a better defense, and could be very good. But I actually liked the fact that McAdoo made sure that Dallas didn't get the ball back there (whether he did that intentionally or not). I'd rather let the clock go all the way down, get some points, and not give the ball back to the other team.

Other notes from McAdoo - I thought there was a nice controlled presence on the sideline throughout. Even when things started to get a little dicey, and when we were down in the first half and second - there was no panic. Not saying there was ever "panic" with Coughlin - but his style was a little more "throw your hands up in the air" when things go awry type of thing. McAdoo seems like he is going to be a little more controlled. Different strokes for different folks, but I like that.
Still alot of work needs to be done on BOTH sides of the ball  
superspynyg : 9/12/2016 9:11 am : link
But the end result was nice!!! A win is a win!! 1-0 BABY!!!!!
He got the W  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/12/2016 9:12 am : link
in a game that we come accustomed to losing over the past couple years. Very refreshing.

I was impressed - our coaching staff is NFL quality  
cosmicj : 9/12/2016 9:12 am : link
and this was their first game in a tough situation.

Instead of focussing on some of the individual mistakes (and there were a few), look at the fact that the Giants D clearly made adjustments in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and proceeded to limit the Dallas O after the first three drives.

I also liked how McAdoo looked calm and collected on the sidelines. And though he made some mistakes, he also made some really good calls, like that series of running plays on the Giants final drive.
Good start  
trueblueinpw : 9/12/2016 9:13 am : link
Looked like they were ready to play. I was thinking last night and trying to remember if there were any unforced errors. I thought Sheps poor route running on the INT was an unforced error. But they're were no wasted timeouts or too many men in the huddle or dumb penalties. I felt like the rookies were ready to play and the vets did what they were supposed to do.

Let's not put Ben in a hoodie just yet, but he didn't seem overwhelmed.
RE: I was impressed - our coaching staff is NFL quality  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2016 9:14 am : link
In comment 13117028 cosmicj said:
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I also liked how McAdoo looked calm and collected on the sidelines. And though he made some mistakes, he also made some really good calls, like that series of running plays on the Giants final drive.

This was my biggest takeway. Moment doesn't seem too big for Ben.
I did like that he got on Donnell  
SomeFan : 9/12/2016 9:17 am : link
Did not like clock nanagement. This game seemed to be one we should have more easily handled. But a win trumps all.
There were a few things I didn't like...  
UberAlias : 9/12/2016 9:17 am : link
But he got a super important win on the road against a tough opponent in his first game. So I will set aside any other considerations and give him an A+.
Hard to believe the criticism for the end of the half  
BillT : 9/12/2016 9:17 am : link
The Giants went down and stuck it in the end zone with no time left and that a bad thing! I pray for more bad clock management just like that. As they say on SC, I thought he was "Cool as the other side of the pillow."
Good game  
Shockwave : 9/12/2016 9:18 am : link
Nice to see Vereen getting more carries. He defintiley has that elusiveness that the others lack. Jennings looked good, but still is just average to me. Unless there is a huge hole somewhere he is not going anywhere and lacks the ability to break tackles or find new lanes. Runs like Jacobs did his last few years...

Would have been nice to get Beckham the ball more. I think he had 8 targets so that's good, but only 4 catches. Most of routes seemed to be shorter ones other than the 45 yarder he caught early on.

Offense was good overall for a Dallas game. But I still see a lot of that predictable play calling on 1st down.

Defense could be something special, all the pieces are there and these guys will continue to gel over the next few weeks. The more wins we get early on will be huge as it will make us that much better when the defense finally comes together as one. If we lose a bunch of games early on it may be to late to recover from later on.



RE: I did like that he got on Donnell  
Giantology : 9/12/2016 9:19 am : link
In comment 13117047 SomeFan said:
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Did not like clock nanagement. This game seemed to be one we should have more easily handled. But a win trumps all.


Division games are rarely "easily handled"
one criticism  
giantfan2000 : 9/12/2016 9:22 am : link
I thought McAdoo was too conservative on the last offensive series

specifically on a 2nd down a few seconds before 2 minute warning

if you run the ball , the clock is going to stop at the two minute warning anyway so you are not going to burn a ton of time

you have Eli Manning and a great receivering corp --
throw a pass in that situation

a first down pretty much ends the game be more aggressive
I think Donnell is on thin ice with the coaches  
cosmicj : 9/12/2016 9:22 am : link
It isn't just BBI that's disappointed in him. I think LD is a placeholder until Jerell learns more and then he'll be a sub, which is an acceptable role for him IMO.
I had no issues with his clock management at the end of the first half  
ZogZerg : 9/12/2016 9:25 am : link
I actually liked. He did not want his defense back on the field as they were well worn. So, he took the ball with 4+ minutes on the clock and ran the clock down to prevent Dallas from getting the ball back. Too often this team would take time outs that ended up giving the opposing team more time to work with.
RE: one criticism  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2016 9:26 am : link
In comment 13117065 giantfan2000 said:
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if you run the ball , the clock is going to stop at the two minute warning anyway so you are not going to burn a ton of time

you have Eli Manning and a great receivering corp --
throw a pass in that situation

I was yelling for that as well. But hey, I can understand why they wanted to keep pounding.
RE: I had no issues with his clock management at the end of the first half  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2016 9:27 am : link
In comment 13117083 ZogZerg said:
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I actually liked. He did not want his defense back on the field as they were well worn. So, he took the ball with 4+ minutes on the clock and ran the clock down to prevent Dallas from getting the ball back. Too often this team would take time outs that ended up giving the opposing team more time to work with.

My thoughts exactly. We've given the ball back to the opponent with less than 30 seconds before, only to give up an easy FG.
A win is a win  
David B. : 9/12/2016 9:28 am : link
That said, I thought the Giants were very conservative on both sides of the ball.

They committed to stuffing the run, and they did. They could have thrown a ton of blitzes at a rookie QB. They didn't.

On offense, it's pretty clear that the Giants (still) move the ball best by throwing to their WRs. But they were intent on getting run going (fine with me), and underneath passes to the RBs.

I think that had they been more aggressive in the passing game, they could have taken more advantage of Dallas' ragged D and put more points on the board. They didn't. And if the plan was to control the clock, they didn't do that either.

Still, it worked out due to the improved Defense and the bonehead play by the Dallas WR. If he doesn't screw that up, and Dallas kicks the FG, this performance looks much worse.
Like most  
Old Dirty Beckham : 9/12/2016 9:31 am : link
I thought his handling of the clock at the end of the first half was poor. Definitely thought we were too conservative with some of our second half possessions.

Loved him getting on Donnell. As frustrating as Donnell is people here need to realize that he's the only TE on the roster capable of making the TD Grab he did. Will Tye isnt making that play.
The 2nd down run  
KWhite2250 : 9/12/2016 9:34 am : link
On the last drive was a 1st down if the safety didnt come in and pop the rb. That would've ended the game most likely. So it was just a great play by a player to keep dallas in it
They won on the road against  
section125 : 9/12/2016 9:45 am : link
an unknown entity - Dak Prescott. That is most impressive.

I would have prefered they saved a little more time on the end of the half drive by calling time out. You can always eat time by running the ball and inside the 10 (had they gotten there) the extra time allows for a run or two.

Thought the D was too conservative - but likely defending against Dak running. Once Dallas had to move the ball by passing, the rush amped it up.

No real complaints or criticisms.
One issue that continued from last year  
gmenatlarge : 9/12/2016 9:50 am : link
was we seem to come out after halftime like crap all the time. Would like to see that change, after all you watch a team like the pats and they always seem to come out and do whatever is needed at the time offense, defense whatever!
I give him an A-  
Bluesbreaker : 9/12/2016 9:51 am : link
and that's a Great start Road Opener Vs hated Cowboys who
most of the prognosticators are picking to win the
division .
The Team was Ready the Gameplan IMO worked and he is not
afraid to send a message for costly mistakes and I don't
think Larry Donnell is going anywhere . He is good red
zone target as much abuse as he takes he is our Best
TE target . I agree Tye doesn't make that play .
More organized,  
oldog : 9/12/2016 9:51 am : link
better control, calmer. More aware of and reactive to the game circumstances. Won with a comprehensive team effort.
His first game  
joeinpa : 9/12/2016 10:14 am : link
was the most satisfying win in 4 seasons, this being the 4th season.
RE: one criticism  
gtt350 : 9/12/2016 10:32 am : link
In comment 13117065 giantfan2000 said:
Quote:
I thought McAdoo was too conservative on the last offensive series

specifically on a 2nd down a few seconds before 2 minute warning

if you run the ball , the clock is going to stop at the two minute warning anyway so you are not going to burn a ton of time

you have Eli Manning and a great receivering corp --
throw a pass in that situation

a first down pretty much ends the game be more aggressive




THIS^
My main takeaway  
RobCarpenter : 9/12/2016 10:37 am : link
Was he managed the game very well overall -- was very aware of what was happening on the field.

Putting the game in the defense's hands at the end of the game will pay big dividends for this team down the road.

He still needs to get some clothes that aren't too big for him, though.
RE: one criticism  
fireitup77 : 9/12/2016 10:47 am : link
In comment 13117065 giantfan2000 said:
Quote:
I thought McAdoo was too conservative on the last offensive series

specifically on a 2nd down a few seconds before 2 minute warning

if you run the ball , the clock is going to stop at the two minute warning anyway so you are not going to burn a ton of time

you have Eli Manning and a great receivering corp --
throw a pass in that situation

a first down pretty much ends the game be more aggressive


I originally thought the same thing. I went back and looked and we had to snap the ball with 2:11 seconds. If we threw the ball and it was incomplete the clock stops before the two minute warning. Meaning that the two minute warning comes after third down instead of second. Dallas would have gotten the ball back with just under two minutes. The run was the right call.
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Go Terps : 9/12/2016 11:26 am : link
I liked the way the end of the first half was handled. The time/timeouts situation made sense.

Overall I thought he had a very good game. My one qualm would be with the last possession. Specifically, the plays on first and second down. For reasons beyond my understanding the shotgun runs up the middle were hugely effective all game. This I didn't understand why they opted to go under center for those two plays. It seemed to clutter the middle of the field (where our backs were most effective), and resulted in the 3rd and long that Jennings almost converted with the same shotgun run.

I don't have any data to support this but the offense seems to have been operating better out of the shotgun for a couple years now.
I only have 1 complaint  
hitdog42 : 9/12/2016 12:53 pm : link
and that is running on first down and getting stuffed... and following it up with play action... omit that sequence from the playbook and I am happy.
McAdoo  
siena16 : 9/12/2016 1:45 pm : link
Let's see Big Ben get on Eli or Odell when they make mistakes. Comparing a guy who just won his first game to a coach who has won over 100 and two super bowls is ludicrous
Team was prepared and played a hard and smart brand of football  
Torrag : 9/12/2016 1:47 pm : link
Put it in the bank and look to grow off this win.

That said I didn't like going with the back to back jumbo run formations at the end of regulation. Those are give up calls that give you no chance to earn the first down and end the game with the ball in our hands. It almost cost us the win.
RE: Team was prepared and played a hard and smart brand of football  
RobCarpenter : 9/12/2016 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13117932 Torrag said:
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Put it in the bank and look to grow off this win.

That said I didn't like going with the back to back jumbo run formations at the end of regulation. Those are give up calls that give you no chance to earn the first down and end the game with the ball in our hands. It almost cost us the win.


?? If not for that hit by the Dallas DB Jennings gets the first down and the game is over.
I thought yesterday's game  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:51 pm : link
was very similar to the 2007 Giants Dallas playoff game. Dallas controlled the ball for most of the half only to see the Giants bounce back with a somewhat quick strike offense. Second half the Giants slowly mounted pressure on the QB and running game. Dallas falls short at the end. The world rejoices.
rob  
Torrag : 9/12/2016 2:17 pm : link
Running for 1 yard on 1st down. Running for a three yard loss on second down to set up a 3rd and 12. It isn't exactly inspired play calling to run it again. Yeah they got 11 yards but imo that's still a give up call and you rarely to never convert that 3rd down.

One first down in that situation and we run the clock out on them. With the ball in our hands. After the 1 yard gain on 1st down I would have liked to see something more creative. We had options they hadn't pressured Eli all day.
RE: My main takeaway  
Les in TO : 9/12/2016 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13117356 RobCarpenter said:
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Was he managed the game very well overall -- was very aware of what was happening on the field.

Putting the game in the defense's hands at the end of the game will pay big dividends for this team down the road.

He still needs to get some clothes that aren't too big for him, though.
yes, someone needs to give him a slim fit t shirt and maybe a non-retro 1988 haircut :)
Excellent game plan  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/12/2016 3:30 pm : link
A fucking +
RE: one criticism  
shabu : 9/12/2016 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13117065 giantfan2000 said:
Quote:
I thought McAdoo was too conservative on the last offensive series

specifically on a 2nd down a few seconds before 2 minute warning

if you run the ball , the clock is going to stop at the two minute warning anyway so you are not going to burn a ton of time

you have Eli Manning and a great receivering corp --
throw a pass in that situation

a first down pretty much ends the game be more aggressive


I agree with this.. however consider this. The fact that the defense can actually end a game and get the Giants a win, happened. I think i am glad Macadoo said, win it spags.

Its a good thing in the end of course cause it worked !
I said essentially the same thing and you're on the money  
Torrag : 9/12/2016 7:27 pm : link
Quote:
paraphrasing giantfan2000:

I thought McAdoo was too conservative on the last offensive series.

Specifically on a 2nd down a few seconds before 2 minute warning.

If you run the ball , the clock is going to stop at the two minute warning anyway so you are not going to burn much time. You have a well protected Eli Manning and a great receiving corp - be more creative in that situation. A first down ends the game. Be more aggressive.


That said McAdoo coached a good game for his first time out of the gate and the team was clearly well prepared to battle both physically and mentally for as long as it took to secure a victory.
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