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Can we FINALLY put the preseason observations to bed??!!!

djm : 9/12/2016 11:14 am
Not to say the OL is great or won't be exposed at times this season, it probably will. The Dallas defensive front is challenged to say the least, but it's still an NFL defense coached by one of the better DCs in the NFL.

The OL was great yesterday. It looked like chicken fried dog shit throughout August. Why? WHo cares. IT doesn't matter.

Vernon looked great in camp. l He looked great in the preseason and he looked great yesterday in week 1. The preseason is useful in looking at individuals in a vacuum, so to speak, but looking at the collective play or even taking too many bad plays on offense or defense and taking that as some sort of harbinger of things to come is just illogical. It's fools gold. And once again, this theory of mine and some others here has been proven to be truth.

We will go through the same thing next year. Go Giants.

I think the real test is in either week 3 or week 4  
robbieballs2003 : 9/12/2016 11:17 am : link
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Did we learn  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2016 11:18 am : link
that our offensive line was really good yesterday?

Forgive me if I am still skeptical after a good performance against a juco offensive line. Was glad to see they had a good game, but nothing was proven yesterday.
They were slow to open holes for the run game  
NorwoodWideRight : 9/12/2016 11:20 am : link
early on, but they did a fair job of protecting Eli, who had some time to make his reads. I'd say they did a serviceable job.
Yup, we've been saying this shit  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 11:21 am : link
since OTAs and were largely ignored..At best, we got, "I know it's only preseason, but..."

The BUT was always bullshit..People who have watched pre-season should really no better..

IT WILL STILL take another 2-4 games to get the cohesiveness, consistency and jelling we covet..We were saying that also..

Oh and about those meaningless lack of snaps Eli got in preseason.......
also know better  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 11:22 am : link
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Hard To Judge Defensive And Offensive Lines After Week 1  
Trainmaster : 9/12/2016 11:24 am : link
The Giants defensive line, with lots of personnel changes, were up against an extremely talented Dallas OL that has a lot of experience playing together. Dallas OL with a slight win (no sacks), but Elliot didn't hang 150 yards on the Giants either.

The Giants offensive line was up against a make shift, talented depleted Dallas defensive line. Eli had reasonable protection and the run game was OK. Again, hard to judge.
I agree with robbie  
old man : 9/12/2016 11:24 am : link
Coincidentally, I was thinking Let's get thru the first 1/4 of the season to get a good sample of what the team has. We have a good variety of opponents re their strengths and weaknesses to measure ours.
I would say no, not yet  
Johnny5 : 9/12/2016 11:28 am : link
The Cowboys had a no name DL and they still caused us problems. There are still questions on how the OL and more importantly TE blocking will hold up vs. the better defenses in the league.
One thing I noticed  
njm : 9/12/2016 11:48 am : link
They were running to the left a lot more than in preseason. And it should be remembered that Pugh missed some time in August. While there is division about Flowers here, I don't think anyone's been bashing Pugh and Richburg.
Ironic  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2016 11:51 am : link
that people can get worked up about fan conclusions from pre-season, but are very happy to draw conclusions from just one regular season game.

How about we play a few meaningful games against teams that aren't starting a 4th round rookie QB and a juco defensive line?
RE: Did we learn  
BigBlueShock : 9/12/2016 11:57 am : link
In comment 13117467 Mike from Ohio said:
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that our offensive line was really good yesterday?

Forgive me if I am still skeptical after a good performance against a juco offensive line. Was glad to see they had a good game, but nothing was proven yesterday.

I'm sure if the OL had an atrocious game yesterday, you'd have all the proof you'd need though, right? The negativity on this board is comical.
Every week is different  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/12/2016 12:00 pm : link
They may have faced the best OL and worst DL of the season.
RE: Ironic  
BigBlueShock : 9/12/2016 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13117540 Mike from Ohio said:
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that people can get worked up about fan conclusions from pre-season, but are very happy to draw conclusions from just one regular season game.

How about we play a few meaningful games against teams that aren't starting a 4th round rookie QB and a juco defensive line?

So tell me, what's it like to go through life so miserably? This so called 4th round QB and juco defensive line were picked to beat the Giants by a ton of people. But, right on que, when the Giants win, any team they beat now instantly sucks. Classic "true fan" negativity.
RE: I would say no, not yet  
Rory : 9/12/2016 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13117503 Johnny5 said:
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The Cowboys had a no name DL and they still caused us problems. There are still questions on how the OL and more importantly TE blocking will hold up vs. the better defenses in the league.


just because it was no name doesn't mean they arent talented players , oline effectiveness comes through more execution then the level of competition. I didn't see many errors in blocking schemes yesterday. Everyone seemed to gel nicely especially the guards.

BB56 is right alot of people need to keep their idiotic thoughts to themselves
BigBlueShock  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2016 12:04 pm : link
You are an idiot.

For the record, I was not one of the people on here whining about the offensive line during the pre-season. I thought it was stupid and premature.

I also think celebrating the arrival of our offensive line as solid unit is premature. That is what my post was about.

Calm down. Breathe. Work on your reading comprehension.
As far as the OL goes  
Stu11 : 9/12/2016 12:04 pm : link
I think the schedule makers did us a big solid. Dallas/NO/Wash D lines aren't lighting any worlds on fire. Therefore they have like a month to build some confidence and chemistry together.
RE: Did we learn  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13117467 Mike from Ohio said:
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that our offensive line was really good yesterday?

Forgive me if I am still skeptical after a good performance against a juco offensive line. Was glad to see they had a good game, but nothing was proven yesterday.


I didn't say we learned anything other than the sky falling mantra from August was a bunch of nonsense. People were literally writing off the entire season because the OL was in a state of crisis.

You missed the point.
RE: I think the real test is in either week 3 or week 4  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:05 pm : link
In comment 13117465 robbieballs2003 said:
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Absolutely. The true tests lie ahead but it's apparent the OL is not in a state of crisis. Not yet at least.

RE: Hard To Judge Defensive And Offensive Lines After Week 1  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13117490 Trainmaster said:
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The Giants defensive line, with lots of personnel changes, were up against an extremely talented Dallas OL that has a lot of experience playing together. Dallas OL with a slight win (no sacks), but Elliot didn't hang 150 yards on the Giants either.

The Giants offensive line was up against a make shift, talented depleted Dallas defensive line. Eli had reasonable protection and the run game was OK. Again, hard to judge.


Hard to judge? But August preseason games are fair to judge?

Keep digging in everyone. Ill see you next August.
RE: Ironic  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13117540 Mike from Ohio said:
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that people can get worked up about fan conclusions from pre-season, but are very happy to draw conclusions from just one regular season game.

How about we play a few meaningful games against teams that aren't starting a 4th round rookie QB and a juco defensive line?


JEsus H christ...

Keep diggin in. It takes a some serious stubborn bones to keep on trucking in the face of truth.

Again, where did I say the OL has etched anything in stone? What I said was the OL doom and gloom crap from August was just that--CRAP. They didn't look like crap yesterday. Correct? IF anything one could say they looked damn good.

RE: BigBlueShock  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13117589 Mike from Ohio said:
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You are an idiot.

For the record, I was not one of the people on here whining about the offensive line during the pre-season. I thought it was stupid and premature.

I also think celebrating the arrival of our offensive line as solid unit is premature. That is what my post was about.

Calm down. Breathe. Work on your reading comprehension.


No one is fucking celebrating. You're just being a cranky fuck. Have a nice afternoon.
RE: RE: Hard To Judge Defensive And Offensive Lines After Week 1  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 12:10 pm : link
In comment 13117599 djm said:
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In comment 13117490 Trainmaster said:


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The Giants defensive line, with lots of personnel changes, were up against an extremely talented Dallas OL that has a lot of experience playing together. Dallas OL with a slight win (no sacks), but Elliot didn't hang 150 yards on the Giants either.

The Giants offensive line was up against a make shift, talented depleted Dallas defensive line. Eli had reasonable protection and the run game was OK. Again, hard to judge.



Hard to judge? But August preseason games are fair to judge?

Keep digging in everyone. Ill see you next August.


CLASSIC!!!
and you know what?  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:14 pm : link
I will fucking celebrate. I am sky high today. We just won a hope opener in Dallas. The Giants just gave their season a good nudge in the right direction for once while putting Dallas in the cross hairs of a little heat and negativity. Victor Cruz scored a TD yesterday. Shepard did too.

Damn fucking right I am celebrating. Sports are supposed to be fun. IF a Giants fan can't walk around feeling happy today why the fuck are you even a fan?

Go sell cranky pants someplace else. We haven't suffered enough misery for 3 years?

Yesterday was a great fucking win. Biggest win we've had in 3 years. Care to argue that ?
hope openeer = home opener  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:15 pm : link
freudian slip
Practice!  
mdthedream : 9/12/2016 12:16 pm : link
who said anything about PRACTICE?
Me too  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/12/2016 12:17 pm : link
I'm fucking giddy.
djm  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2016 12:17 pm : link
I'm digging in on what? My opinion that our OLine sucks? I never said that. Since you are struggling with the concept, I will say it again.

I never said that.

It was premature to claim the OLine sucks based on pre-season alone. WE AGREE ON THIS POINT. What I said was that it was also premature to conclude that they don't suck based on one game against an undermanned team.

Lots of people on these threads seem to need a lot of validation for their views.
all month long  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:18 pm : link
all we heard from everywhere was the OL sucks. Not just shaky...no...it totally sucked. All summer long. Every single prognostication started and ended with the OL sucking big hairy balls. Every single one.

So the Giants come out and run the ball down the cowboys fucking throats and keep Eli upright, win the game...and I am being told to relax and wait another month? Fuck that.

Go Giants! And go Giants OL. They deserve a game ball. I don't care if they played Ball state yesterday. The negative talk had to bother them this past month.
Completely discounting  
lugnut : 9/12/2016 12:20 pm : link
preseason is a little ridiculous, too, though. Preseason's purpose for the coaching staff is to exhibit players, try plays, see how guys do, make assessments, forecast the future, then make cuts. Fans like us using it to...watch players, make assessments, forecast the future is not exactly out of whack. For eff's sake, if the coaches can base cuts on it, why can't we base anything on it?
Mike  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:21 pm : link
this is an I told you so moment. You can disagree all you want but we saw enough yesterday to conclude that the OL was in fact ready for the season.

You came here maybe not necessarily disputing that specific point but you certainly didn't endorse it either.

I'll say it again. Anyone that takes preseason performance as gospel needs to own the fuck up and admit they were wrong. The OL might struggle at times it probably will but don't sit here and tell me that the OL didn't make a lot of people look like they over-reacted.
RE: djm  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13117644 Mike from Ohio said:
[quote] I'm digging in on what? My opinion that our OLine sucks? I never said that. Since you are struggling with the concept, I will say it again.

I never said that.

It was premature to claim the OLine sucks based on pre-season alone. WE AGREE ON THIS POINT. What I said was that it was also premature to conclude that they don't suck based on one game against an undermanned team.

Lots of people on these threads seem to need a lot of validation for their views. [/quote

I'm one of those that wants my view to be validated. we all dug in all summer long and were told blasted away by the masses.
RE: Completely discounting  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13117655 lugnut said:
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preseason is a little ridiculous, too, though. Preseason's purpose for the coaching staff is to exhibit players, try plays, see how guys do, make assessments, forecast the future, then make cuts. Fans like us using it to...watch players, make assessments, forecast the future is not exactly out of whack. For eff's sake, if the coaches can base cuts on it, why can't we base anything on it?


I never said to discount it completely. Read the OP again. Of course it's important but it's important for different reasons than many around here seem to believe.
djm with the right attitude  
AnnapolisMike : 9/12/2016 12:24 pm : link
It was a win against a divisional opponent on the road to start the season. If was a great win with lots of positives. It was nice to get off to the right start for a change of pace. It was nice to see a defense that played well. It was nice to see the Giants gain 100 yards on the ground.

Let's get a win against a shaky Saints team next week and see what they can do against what is probably our competition for the division.
djm - forget it  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2016 12:24 pm : link
I keep forgetting that there is a slice of BBI that think they are the only people who know how to be a fan. I have lived and died with this team since the 70s, and am thrilled at yesterday's game, but I don't write about it on a website the same way you do, so I am a shitty fan.

Go get bent you self righteous douchebag.
I know it's tough  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2016 12:28 pm : link
NOT to comment sometimes, cause it really is bad, but preseason literally means less than nothing, and the Giants playing decently well on the OL yesterday shouldn't have to be the reason why people change their minds about preseason.
Jeez, what's this place going to be like after a loss?  
njm : 9/12/2016 12:28 pm : link
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Mike  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:29 pm : link
you came in talking shit with an angry tone. What did you expect? You literally shit all over the positive tone and doubled down on it after I pointed out that I never said the OL would be great after one week. I don't even think the OL will be great at all. Fair to above average is my take.

Go look at your first post. It's laced with attitude. Of course I was going to react.
matter of fact  
djm : 9/12/2016 12:32 pm : link
your first two posts came off as kind of cranky. And your point that we need to wait a few weeks was mentioned by me, in my first post. I said it more than once! only one game...dallas isn't very good bla bla bla...I said those very words! Was that not enough for you? Nope...you had to calm everyone the fuck down....go shit in your hat.

Lugs, totally agree with the first part of your point  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 12:36 pm : link
And that has been my major point through all the years..

Here's where we disagree:

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Fans like us using it to...watch players, make assessments, forecast the future is not exactly out of whack. For eff's sake, if the coaches can base cuts on it, why can't we base anything on it?



I want to be clear on this. Fans can assess and say anything they want, that is their right. They SHOULD NOT imv, make any statement in preseason and present it AS FACT moving forward. That is and always has been bullshit, imo..As for cuts, the coaches view performance differently than we do. They take in things that fans often make short shrift of im
djm  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2016 12:40 pm : link
it's alright, Mike is waiting until the OL has a medicore game to say "see, this is gonna kill us all year" even if we start out 3-0.
RE: Completely discounting  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2016 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13117655 lugnut said:
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preseason is a little ridiculous, too, though.

Honestly, I don't think it is. People should discount every single second of preseason. There is zero basis and evidence for future performance, and it means less than nothing - except maybe a few guys on the 3rd/4th string bubble making the team or not.
We outrushed the vaunted Dallas running game  
PatersonPlank : 9/12/2016 12:47 pm : link
and Eli was sacked once. What more do you want? Preseason is meaningless for stats. Its for looking a different players, situations, and schemes.
Giants  
stretch234 : 9/12/2016 12:51 pm : link
People want to bitch for the sake of bitching.

Now the first game of the regular season is a less meaningful game because of Dallas DL, and who was not playing?

They won a divisional road game to start the year.
RE: djm  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2016 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13117717 ryanmkeane said:
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it's alright, Mike is waiting until the OL has a medicore game to say "see, this is gonna kill us all year" even if we start out 3-0.


Great post. Clearly you understood everything I said. I never once ripped on the OLine, but don't let that stop you from putting words in my mouth to argue with. Have fun!
RE: djm  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13117717 ryanmkeane said:
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it's alright, Mike is waiting until the OL has a medicore game to say "see, this is gonna kill us all year" even if we start out 3-0.


ryan, he is not alone. Fans nowadays seem more concerned about being right than owning up to what we perceive to be reality..Preseason has always meant squat save for team evaluations for roster purposes, imv..That's why regulars get limited snaps, Eli barely played and offenses and defenses are so vanilla..
RE: djm  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13117717 ryanmkeane said:
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it's alright, Mike is waiting until the OL has a medicore game to say "see, this is gonna kill us all year" even if we start out 3-0.


That's just it though. I said the OL is far from a finished product. Wasn't like I started a pollyanna thread laced with blind optimism.

I don't see the harm in feeling good today. I wasn't trying to sound like a dick with the I told you so crap about preseason play. But it was tiring to hear it all month long and yesterday's game was refreshing to see.
RE: RE: djm  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13117784 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 13117717 ryanmkeane said:


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it's alright, Mike is waiting until the OL has a medicore game to say "see, this is gonna kill us all year" even if we start out 3-0.



Great post. Clearly you understood everything I said. I never once ripped on the OLine, but don't let that stop you from putting words in my mouth to argue with. Have fun!


And it's clear that you misunderstood everything I said in the OP and beyond. Go find anything in my posts that even comes close to what you inferred. Not once did I prop this OL up to unrealistic levels. Not once. You couldn't wait to ride in on your horse and douse the flames of optimism while making shit up along the way.

None of us really believes 1 game proves anything..  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 1:03 pm : link
What we do believe is that anything meaningful culled from pre-season is silly..It's for the team, not the fans, imv..Enjoy preseason all one wants, I watch and cringe hoping against significant injuries
same here fiddy  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:11 pm : link
I look at this this way. If you take a team-lets' say the Giants for example and follow their off-season and get to June or so--and let's say you feel good about their chances after the off-season is polished off. Then August rolls around and the team stays very healthy but looks a little shaky in the fake games...if you go ahead and change your prognostication based on the weird shaky play in those fake games? You're nuts to do so in my view. And plenty of people did just that and took the OL to task. That is crazy to me. That's my point here.

The OL will have its moments both good and bad but it's as clear as day that the perceived sloppy shit we saw in AUgust did NOT carry over into the regular season.

Some shit might carry over but we rarely ever know for sure. That's my point. It's impossible to truly quantify in preseason what sucks and what doesn't.
Mike I will end this stupid argument on a good note  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:15 pm : link
I don't think you came here looking to truly shit on the parade...you were just defending your take that it's still early. And it is most definitely is. Long season ahead. We are all Giants fans and just want to win. Let's hope that the OL holds up all year long. One down...15 to go. IT's all good brother.
and that goes out to all the fuckos who went bat shit crazy in August  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:15 pm : link
as well.
nope  
chris r : 9/12/2016 1:18 pm : link
players win and lose jobs based on preseason and you want to pretend it doesnt matter? No.
lol  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:19 pm : link
good job.
even worse it doesn't matter because of one regular season game  
chris r : 9/12/2016 1:20 pm : link
again, no.

I'm sure if the Giants kicked ass all preseason this wouldn't be a thread.
My favorite complaint about preseason  
RobCarpenter : 9/12/2016 1:25 pm : link
was when fans would hyperventilate about the 'horrendous play calling'.
I'm not doing it radar  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:26 pm : link
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RE: nope  
BigBlueShock : 9/12/2016 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13117847 chris r said:
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players win and lose jobs based on preseason and you want to pretend it doesnt matter? No.

And how many OL lost their jobs based on preseason performance? The team sure was concerned, huh? You are so simple it's scary.
So then the question is  
micky : 9/12/2016 1:32 pm : link
Do they really need to play preseason games anymore?
RE: So then the question is  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13117887 micky said:
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Do they really need to play preseason games anymore?


That has nothing to do with the OP. That's a vortex and yes of course there needs to be practice games.

Radar--simple question for you and anyone else that insists on fighting the good fight:

Did the OL look better yesterday than it did for the entire preseason? Just answer yes or no and then we can move on. Because that was the very point of this thread.

Yes or no?
yes or no?  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:38 pm : link
then we can settle my point once and for all.

And don't tel me it's Dallas. NYG OL also "played" against some shite fronts in August so the dallas point carries no weight.

Did the Giants OL dramatically improve its play based on what we witnessed in August? Yes or no.
'put the preseason observations to bed?'...  
Torrag : 9/12/2016 1:41 pm : link
...some observations held true.

Donnell can't maintain a block.

Collins doesn't have the 'feel' or hands to make a pick.

and while yes, the OL played very well let's be realistic. Between the suspensions and injuries the Cowboys D-line is one of the worst in the NFL. They will face a tougher test almost every week than the one they faced yesterday. Good start though and we'll put it in the bank and move on.
RE: So then the question is  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13117887 micky said:
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Do they really need to play preseason games anymore?


For evaluation of 75-90 jobs? Sure..Wasn't there serious talk before the current CBA of scaling back preseason to 2 GAMES and adding 2 more to the regular season? It may never be implemented, but it shows what the powers that be think of its (preseason) importance
RE: RE: I would say no, not yet  
Johnny5 : 9/12/2016 1:51 pm : link
In comment 13117582 Rory said:
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In comment 13117503 Johnny5 said:


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The Cowboys had a no name DL and they still caused us problems. There are still questions on how the OL and more importantly TE blocking will hold up vs. the better defenses in the league.



just because it was no name doesn't mean they arent talented players , oline effectiveness comes through more execution then the level of competition. I didn't see many errors in blocking schemes yesterday. Everyone seemed to gel nicely especially the guards.

BB56 is right alot of people need to keep their idiotic thoughts to themselves

Idiotic thoughts? LOL

Well Rory, I'll hold the "Go fuck yourself" comment that I was about to respond to you with and just say, I don't disagree with you that they may or may not be decent. That's not even the point. What I said was "WE DON'T KNOW YET AFTER ONE GAME WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESEASON OL AND TE WORRIES CAN BE PUT TO BED." How in the world would that be considered an idiotic thought??
I'm happy  
ryanmkeane : 9/12/2016 1:52 pm : link
that McAdoo seems to not put too much stock in it either, as Eli, Beckham, Shepard, other important playmakers barely played. It was a nice change.
the cowboys DL did NOT cause us any problems  
djm : 9/12/2016 1:55 pm : link
the Giants had the ball how many times yesterday? Ill guess 6 times? They scored half the time they had the ball. Eli was sacked once. The running game flourished.

Dallas played about as well as they could have hoped for and still lost. Their D is well coached but will crumble every time and it crumbled yesterday. They were home with a lead and couldn't hold it.

I guess no one will answer my simple question. I know it's hard to accept it for some...

Did the Giants OL play a lot better than the wide held shitty OL perception from August?
RE: RE: RE: I would say no, not yet  
Big Blue '56 : 9/12/2016 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13117947 Johnny5 said:
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In comment 13117503 Johnny5 said:


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The Cowboys had a no name DL and they still caused us problems. There are still questions on how the OL and more importantly TE blocking will hold up vs. the better defenses in the league.



just because it was no name doesn't mean they arent talented players , oline effectiveness comes through more execution then the level of competition. I didn't see many errors in blocking schemes yesterday. Everyone seemed to gel nicely especially the guards.

BB56 is right alot of people need to keep their idiotic thoughts to themselves


Idiotic thoughts? LOL

Well Rory, I'll hold the "Go fuck yourself" comment that I was about to respond to you with and just say, I don't disagree with you that they may or may not be decent. That's not even the point. What I said was "WE DON'T KNOW YET AFTER ONE GAME WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESEASON OL AND TE WORRIES CAN BE PUT TO BED." How in the world would that be considered an idiotic thought??


J5, I never referenced thoughts as idiotic..I think taking preseason seriously is silly..But you are far from an idiot, my friend
Well...  
Johnny5 : 9/12/2016 2:06 pm : link
I though I answered it. Maybe not. You did not ask it in the way you just phrased in the original post. Did they play better? So, Yes they did play better... It was nice to have Pugh back in there. Jerry played pretty well and I didn't see Newhouse with any specific flubs, but I watched Flowers and LD struggle a bit and Eli was clearly uncomfortable much more so than the rookie on the other side. And the Cowboys DL is really unknown. Am I still worried about how they hold up based on what I saw in preseason? Yep.
fair enough Johnny  
djm : 9/12/2016 2:09 pm : link
..the OL won't be perfect. It will take on water at times. But we can win with it.
BB56  
Johnny5 : 9/12/2016 2:11 pm : link
No... absolutely my friend, my comment was directed at Rory, not you.

And djm I didn't see our run game as nearly as effective as you did. We cannot run the ball effectively when Eli is under center. We had good runs yesterday but they were mostly from shotgun with those draws that never seem to go away... lol. Now, Cowboys DL may turn out to be decent... and I hope that's the case, because they made Eli pretty uncomfortable.
Mike Francessa, much like some right here  
djm : 9/12/2016 2:11 pm : link
"I won't give the Giants OL a passing grade until they play a real defense"

So until the Giants play the 85 Bears the OL sucks and will forever suck. Thanks for playing.
RE: Mike Francessa, much like some right here  
Johnny5 : 9/12/2016 2:12 pm : link
In comment 13118036 djm said:
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"I won't give the Giants OL a passing grade until they play a real defense"

So until the Giants play the 85 Bears the OL sucks and will forever suck. Thanks for playing.

LOL yeah I'm not that bad, I'll be happy if we hold up against the next 3 games/teams... especially Washington and Minny.
RE: Mike I will end this stupid argument on a good note  
Mike from Ohio : 9/12/2016 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13117836 djm said:
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I don't think you came here looking to truly shit on the parade...you were just defending your take that it's still early. And it is most definitely is. Long season ahead. We are all Giants fans and just want to win. Let's hope that the OL holds up all year long. One down...15 to go. IT's all good brother.


djm - the argument wasn't "Does the Giant's line suck" or "Who loves the Giants more", which is what it seems to have become. We are all hoping the line is solid and we see more games like yesterday then we do games from the past 2 or 3 years.

What bothers me is the number of people on this site that crow about how much smarter they are than everyone else. I am not saying you did that. In fact it wasn't even your specific post I initially responded to. What I get annoyed with is the posts that run something along the lines of "Me and all of the smart people knew this all along. If you though otherwise, you should pay more attention to me."

I would have posted the same response if the preseason expectations were that the line would have been solid and they gave up 11 sacks. It's early, give it more than one game before we throw in the towel.

You are a Giants fan, so you are ok in my book. We are pulling for the same thing this year.

Have a good one.
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In comment 13118187 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 13117836 djm said:


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I don't think you came here looking to truly shit on the parade...you were just defending your take that it's still early. And it is most definitely is. Long season ahead. We are all Giants fans and just want to win. Let's hope that the OL holds up all year long. One down...15 to go. IT's all good brother.



djm - the argument wasn't "Does the Giant's line suck" or "Who loves the Giants more", which is what it seems to have become. We are all hoping the line is solid and we see more games like yesterday then we do games from the past 2 or 3 years.

What bothers me is the number of people on this site that crow about how much smarter they are than everyone else. I am not saying you did that. In fact it wasn't even your specific post I initially responded to. What I get annoyed with is the posts that run something along the lines of "Me and all of the smart people knew this all along. If you though otherwise, you should pay more attention to me."

I would have posted the same response if the preseason expectations were that the line would have been solid and they gave up 11 sacks. It's early, give it more than one game before we throw in the towel.

You are a Giants fan, so you are ok in my book. We are pulling for the same thing this year.

Have a good one.


If you were in anyway referring to me, All I said and have said for years, is that aside from player evaluations as regards cutting down from 75 ( or whatever the number was) and getting to the final 53, very little, if anything can be culled from preseason, at least along the definitive nature it takes with prognostications on here.

Too, I have stated many times that regardless of how well (or bad) recordwise we start out, it takes around 3-4 games to see any real measure of consistency in play, especially with the OL..

I have been consistent with this take. That veterans of preseason cannot see this is surprising to me..As far as yesterday was concerned I liked what I saw, but in no way does that definitively tell us anything more than that at this point in time..We're 1-0 and I'm elated
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