Not to say the OL is great or won't be exposed at times this season, it probably will. The Dallas defensive front is challenged to say the least, but it's still an NFL defense coached by one of the better DCs in the NFL.
The OL was great yesterday. It looked like chicken fried dog shit throughout August. Why? WHo cares. IT doesn't matter.
Vernon looked great in camp. l He looked great in the preseason and he looked great yesterday in week 1. The preseason is useful in looking at individuals in a vacuum, so to speak, but looking at the collective play or even taking too many bad plays on offense or defense and taking that as some sort of harbinger of things to come is just illogical. It's fools gold. And once again, this theory of mine and some others here has been proven to be truth.
We will go through the same thing next year. Go Giants.
Forgive me if I am still skeptical after a good performance against a juco offensive line. Was glad to see they had a good game, but nothing was proven yesterday.
The BUT was always bullshit..People who have watched pre-season should really no better..
IT WILL STILL take another 2-4 games to get the cohesiveness, consistency and jelling we covet..We were saying that also..
Oh and about those meaningless lack of snaps Eli got in preseason.......
The Giants offensive line was up against a make shift, talented depleted Dallas defensive line. Eli had reasonable protection and the run game was OK. Again, hard to judge.
How about we play a few meaningful games against teams that aren't starting a 4th round rookie QB and a juco defensive line?
Forgive me if I am still skeptical after a good performance against a juco offensive line. Was glad to see they had a good game, but nothing was proven yesterday.
I'm sure if the OL had an atrocious game yesterday, you'd have all the proof you'd need though, right? The negativity on this board is comical.
How about we play a few meaningful games against teams that aren't starting a 4th round rookie QB and a juco defensive line?
So tell me, what's it like to go through life so miserably? This so called 4th round QB and juco defensive line were picked to beat the Giants by a ton of people. But, right on que, when the Giants win, any team they beat now instantly sucks. Classic "true fan" negativity.
just because it was no name doesn't mean they arent talented players , oline effectiveness comes through more execution then the level of competition. I didn't see many errors in blocking schemes yesterday. Everyone seemed to gel nicely especially the guards.
BB56 is right alot of people need to keep their idiotic thoughts to themselves
For the record, I was not one of the people on here whining about the offensive line during the pre-season. I thought it was stupid and premature.
I also think celebrating the arrival of our offensive line as solid unit is premature. That is what my post was about.
Calm down. Breathe. Work on your reading comprehension.
Forgive me if I am still skeptical after a good performance against a juco offensive line. Was glad to see they had a good game, but nothing was proven yesterday.
I didn't say we learned anything other than the sky falling mantra from August was a bunch of nonsense. People were literally writing off the entire season because the OL was in a state of crisis.
You missed the point.
Absolutely. The true tests lie ahead but it's apparent the OL is not in a state of crisis. Not yet at least.
The Giants offensive line was up against a make shift, talented depleted Dallas defensive line. Eli had reasonable protection and the run game was OK. Again, hard to judge.
Hard to judge? But August preseason games are fair to judge?
Keep digging in everyone. Ill see you next August.
How about we play a few meaningful games against teams that aren't starting a 4th round rookie QB and a juco defensive line?
JEsus H christ...
Keep diggin in. It takes a some serious stubborn bones to keep on trucking in the face of truth.
Again, where did I say the OL has etched anything in stone? What I said was the OL doom and gloom crap from August was just that--CRAP. They didn't look like crap yesterday. Correct? IF anything one could say they looked damn good.
For the record, I was not one of the people on here whining about the offensive line during the pre-season. I thought it was stupid and premature.
I also think celebrating the arrival of our offensive line as solid unit is premature. That is what my post was about.
Calm down. Breathe. Work on your reading comprehension.
No one is fucking celebrating. You're just being a cranky fuck. Have a nice afternoon.
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The Giants defensive line, with lots of personnel changes, were up against an extremely talented Dallas OL that has a lot of experience playing together. Dallas OL with a slight win (no sacks), but Elliot didn't hang 150 yards on the Giants either.
The Giants offensive line was up against a make shift, talented depleted Dallas defensive line. Eli had reasonable protection and the run game was OK. Again, hard to judge.
Hard to judge? But August preseason games are fair to judge?
Keep digging in everyone. Ill see you next August.
CLASSIC!!!
Damn fucking right I am celebrating. Sports are supposed to be fun. IF a Giants fan can't walk around feeling happy today why the fuck are you even a fan?
Go sell cranky pants someplace else. We haven't suffered enough misery for 3 years?
Yesterday was a great fucking win. Biggest win we've had in 3 years. Care to argue that ?
I never said that.
It was premature to claim the OLine sucks based on pre-season alone. WE AGREE ON THIS POINT. What I said was that it was also premature to conclude that they don't suck based on one game against an undermanned team.
Lots of people on these threads seem to need a lot of validation for their views.
So the Giants come out and run the ball down the cowboys fucking throats and keep Eli upright, win the game...and I am being told to relax and wait another month? Fuck that.
Go Giants! And go Giants OL. They deserve a game ball. I don't care if they played Ball state yesterday. The negative talk had to bother them this past month.
You came here maybe not necessarily disputing that specific point but you certainly didn't endorse it either.
I'll say it again. Anyone that takes preseason performance as gospel needs to own the fuck up and admit they were wrong. The OL might struggle at times it probably will but don't sit here and tell me that the OL didn't make a lot of people look like they over-reacted.
[quote] I'm digging in on what? My opinion that our OLine sucks? I never said that. Since you are struggling with the concept, I will say it again.
I never said that.
It was premature to claim the OLine sucks based on pre-season alone. WE AGREE ON THIS POINT. What I said was that it was also premature to conclude that they don't suck based on one game against an undermanned team.
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I'm one of those that wants my view to be validated. we all dug in all summer long and were told blasted away by the masses.
I never said to discount it completely. Read the OP again. Of course it's important but it's important for different reasons than many around here seem to believe.
Let's get a win against a shaky Saints team next week and see what they can do against what is probably our competition for the division.
Go get bent you self righteous douchebag.
Go look at your first post. It's laced with attitude. Of course I was going to react.
Here's where we disagree:
Fans like us using it to...watch players, make assessments, forecast the future is not exactly out of whack. For eff's sake, if the coaches can base cuts on it, why can't we base anything on it?
I want to be clear on this. Fans can assess and say anything they want, that is their right. They SHOULD NOT imv, make any statement in preseason and present it AS FACT moving forward. That is and always has been bullshit, imo..As for cuts, the coaches view performance differently than we do. They take in things that fans often make short shrift of im
Honestly, I don't think it is. People should discount every single second of preseason. There is zero basis and evidence for future performance, and it means less than nothing - except maybe a few guys on the 3rd/4th string bubble making the team or not.
Now the first game of the regular season is a less meaningful game because of Dallas DL, and who was not playing?
They won a divisional road game to start the year.
Great post. Clearly you understood everything I said. I never once ripped on the OLine, but don't let that stop you from putting words in my mouth to argue with. Have fun!
ryan, he is not alone. Fans nowadays seem more concerned about being right than owning up to what we perceive to be reality..Preseason has always meant squat save for team evaluations for roster purposes, imv..That's why regulars get limited snaps, Eli barely played and offenses and defenses are so vanilla..
That's just it though. I said the OL is far from a finished product. Wasn't like I started a pollyanna thread laced with blind optimism.
I don't see the harm in feeling good today. I wasn't trying to sound like a dick with the I told you so crap about preseason play. But it was tiring to hear it all month long and yesterday's game was refreshing to see.
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it's alright, Mike is waiting until the OL has a medicore game to say "see, this is gonna kill us all year" even if we start out 3-0.
Great post. Clearly you understood everything I said. I never once ripped on the OLine, but don't let that stop you from putting words in my mouth to argue with. Have fun!
And it's clear that you misunderstood everything I said in the OP and beyond. Go find anything in my posts that even comes close to what you inferred. Not once did I prop this OL up to unrealistic levels. Not once. You couldn't wait to ride in on your horse and douse the flames of optimism while making shit up along the way.
The OL will have its moments both good and bad but it's as clear as day that the perceived sloppy shit we saw in AUgust did NOT carry over into the regular season.
Some shit might carry over but we rarely ever know for sure. That's my point. It's impossible to truly quantify in preseason what sucks and what doesn't.
I'm sure if the Giants kicked ass all preseason this wouldn't be a thread.
And how many OL lost their jobs based on preseason performance? The team sure was concerned, huh? You are so simple it's scary.
That has nothing to do with the OP. That's a vortex and yes of course there needs to be practice games.
Radar--simple question for you and anyone else that insists on fighting the good fight:
Did the OL look better yesterday than it did for the entire preseason? Just answer yes or no and then we can move on. Because that was the very point of this thread.
Yes or no?
And don't tel me it's Dallas. NYG OL also "played" against some shite fronts in August so the dallas point carries no weight.
Did the Giants OL dramatically improve its play based on what we witnessed in August? Yes or no.
Donnell can't maintain a block.
Collins doesn't have the 'feel' or hands to make a pick.
and while yes, the OL played very well let's be realistic. Between the suspensions and injuries the Cowboys D-line is one of the worst in the NFL. They will face a tougher test almost every week than the one they faced yesterday. Good start though and we'll put it in the bank and move on.
For evaluation of 75-90 jobs? Sure..Wasn't there serious talk before the current CBA of scaling back preseason to 2 GAMES and adding 2 more to the regular season? It may never be implemented, but it shows what the powers that be think of its (preseason) importance
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The Cowboys had a no name DL and they still caused us problems. There are still questions on how the OL and more importantly TE blocking will hold up vs. the better defenses in the league.
just because it was no name doesn't mean they arent talented players , oline effectiveness comes through more execution then the level of competition. I didn't see many errors in blocking schemes yesterday. Everyone seemed to gel nicely especially the guards.
BB56 is right alot of people need to keep their idiotic thoughts to themselves
Idiotic thoughts? LOL
Well Rory, I'll hold the "Go fuck yourself" comment that I was about to respond to you with and just say, I don't disagree with you that they may or may not be decent. That's not even the point. What I said was "WE DON'T KNOW YET AFTER ONE GAME WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESEASON OL AND TE WORRIES CAN BE PUT TO BED." How in the world would that be considered an idiotic thought??
Dallas played about as well as they could have hoped for and still lost. Their D is well coached but will crumble every time and it crumbled yesterday. They were home with a lead and couldn't hold it.
I guess no one will answer my simple question. I know it's hard to accept it for some...
Did the Giants OL play a lot better than the wide held shitty OL perception from August?
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The Cowboys had a no name DL and they still caused us problems. There are still questions on how the OL and more importantly TE blocking will hold up vs. the better defenses in the league.
just because it was no name doesn't mean they arent talented players , oline effectiveness comes through more execution then the level of competition. I didn't see many errors in blocking schemes yesterday. Everyone seemed to gel nicely especially the guards.
BB56 is right alot of people need to keep their idiotic thoughts to themselves
Idiotic thoughts? LOL
Well Rory, I'll hold the "Go fuck yourself" comment that I was about to respond to you with and just say, I don't disagree with you that they may or may not be decent. That's not even the point. What I said was "WE DON'T KNOW YET AFTER ONE GAME WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESEASON OL AND TE WORRIES CAN BE PUT TO BED." How in the world would that be considered an idiotic thought??
J5, I never referenced thoughts as idiotic..I think taking preseason seriously is silly..But you are far from an idiot, my friend
And djm I didn't see our run game as nearly as effective as you did. We cannot run the ball effectively when Eli is under center. We had good runs yesterday but they were mostly from shotgun with those draws that never seem to go away... lol. Now, Cowboys DL may turn out to be decent... and I hope that's the case, because they made Eli pretty uncomfortable.
So until the Giants play the 85 Bears the OL sucks and will forever suck. Thanks for playing.
So until the Giants play the 85 Bears the OL sucks and will forever suck. Thanks for playing.
LOL yeah I'm not that bad, I'll be happy if we hold up against the next 3 games/teams... especially Washington and Minny.
djm - the argument wasn't "Does the Giant's line suck" or "Who loves the Giants more", which is what it seems to have become. We are all hoping the line is solid and we see more games like yesterday then we do games from the past 2 or 3 years.
What bothers me is the number of people on this site that crow about how much smarter they are than everyone else. I am not saying you did that. In fact it wasn't even your specific post I initially responded to. What I get annoyed with is the posts that run something along the lines of "Me and all of the smart people knew this all along. If you though otherwise, you should pay more attention to me."
I would have posted the same response if the preseason expectations were that the line would have been solid and they gave up 11 sacks. It's early, give it more than one game before we throw in the towel.
You are a Giants fan, so you are ok in my book. We are pulling for the same thing this year.
Have a good one.
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I don't think you came here looking to truly shit on the parade...you were just defending your take that it's still early. And it is most definitely is. Long season ahead. We are all Giants fans and just want to win. Let's hope that the OL holds up all year long. One down...15 to go. IT's all good brother.
djm - the argument wasn't "Does the Giant's line suck" or "Who loves the Giants more", which is what it seems to have become. We are all hoping the line is solid and we see more games like yesterday then we do games from the past 2 or 3 years.
What bothers me is the number of people on this site that crow about how much smarter they are than everyone else. I am not saying you did that. In fact it wasn't even your specific post I initially responded to. What I get annoyed with is the posts that run something along the lines of "Me and all of the smart people knew this all along. If you though otherwise, you should pay more attention to me."
I would have posted the same response if the preseason expectations were that the line would have been solid and they gave up 11 sacks. It's early, give it more than one game before we throw in the towel.
You are a Giants fan, so you are ok in my book. We are pulling for the same thing this year.
Have a good one.
If you were in anyway referring to me, All I said and have said for years, is that aside from player evaluations as regards cutting down from 75 ( or whatever the number was) and getting to the final 53, very little, if anything can be culled from preseason, at least along the definitive nature it takes with prognostications on here.
Too, I have stated many times that regardless of how well (or bad) recordwise we start out, it takes around 3-4 games to see any real measure of consistency in play, especially with the OL..
I have been consistent with this take. That veterans of preseason cannot see this is surprising to me..As far as yesterday was concerned I liked what I saw, but in no way does that definitively tell us anything more than that at this point in time..We're 1-0 and I'm elated