Many here discounted his contributions last season because he "failed to finish or make plays". Another case of fans relying too much on sack numbers to evaluate a DL.
This Dallas game is an excellent example of a guy making plays and having an impact without the sacks.
JPP had at least 5 QB pressures that forced throwaways. And 2 of them came on consecutive plays to force a punt. This came late in the 4th, right after the Giants took the lead.
He worked Free and setup the inside move when we needed it. My 9 year old said "DEs aren't supposed to break ankles" which is what he did with the inside move. JPP forced the punt at a critical part of the game.
That's a guy making an impact with his quick QB pressures.
Only one game but I think we may have the best pair of DEs in the NFL in 2016. With Snacks and the big bump in team speed in back 7 this defense will help us compete for it all this year.
Very exciting start for NYG!
The other amazing thing is that somehow people seemed to think he is either lazy or lacks effort. He has always been a relentless, max effort football player.
I'm so glad he's back.
I agree with the end of your post KWALL where you state that our D is gonna be real good this year and that is going to make us a legit Super Bowl contender.
The other amazing thing is that somehow people seemed to think he is either lazy or lacks effort. He has always been a relentless, max effort football player.
I'm so glad he's back.
Maybe it has something to do with his seasons after 2011, which includes arriving at camp overweight - and then blowing off several fingers and all that followed.
I'm glad he's playing well. I still don't think he's the same JPP of the 2011 season, but he's better than the alternatives on the roster.
Jackrabbit was on the field for all of the defensive snaps, and DRC was only out for one.
I was pleased (but not surprised) with the performance of the DL, and JPP in particular. We better enjoy him this year because I'm not entirely sure he will be a Giant next year.
Also - Jackrabbit was my biggest pleasant surprise of the game. I don't know what grade he's going to be given, but he had tight coverage all game long from what I could see. I'm going to watch the all-22 angle tonight and will focus closely on the secondary.
Full team snap counts - ( New Window )
Alfred Morris breaks a lot of tackes
On the field he always played hard and hustled.
The other amazing thing is that somehow people seemed to think he is either lazy or lacks effort. He has always been a relentless, max effort football player.
I'm so glad he's back.
People are hard on him because as good as he's been, he's never really maxed out his potential (i.e consistent 12-15 sack player). And the lazy moniker some people attribute to him (I'm not one of those) is due to his offseason efforts. He's always given 120% effort on the field.
Comes back slow in 2013 after the surgery, finally starts making a difference again and then messes up his shoulder.
The truth is that a healthy JPP has proven over and over again to be a highly productive/dominant JPP.
Liking this line.
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Always has been. For some reason the "general" NYG fanbase has always been hard on him (hard to believe after 2011) but when the guy is on the field he is disruptive.
The other amazing thing is that somehow people seemed to think he is either lazy or lacks effort. He has always been a relentless, max effort football player.
I'm so glad he's back.
People are hard on him because as good as he's been, he's never really maxed out his potential (i.e consistent 12-15 sack player).
12-15 sacks every year is a unrealistic standard to set.
That was exemplary work, they are both studs.
That would be my dream.
If you pull up the photo from Eli giving Mac the game ball yesterday look at his gut. He's fat.
The reason? In the last week alone he has posted on instagram eating Popeyes and Five Guys.
I hope we get our moneys worth this year and let him move on. No way I give stubby any kind of long term $$
I know I will get flamed for this and I welcome it.
Duh
Time will tell. The gameplan going in was to stop the run and not let Dak beat us with his feet. Mission accomplished. Now, lets see how many sacks we get against Brees. I'm saying at least 3
But you can't discount having Snacks next to him causing Martin to slide left and account for him leaving Free on an even bigger island out there. Plus the early corner blitzes by DRC gave them something to think about.
And you'd think Witten would do a solid job of blocking JPP in those cases but JPP just threw him around like a ragdoll. I think we're seeing Witten's age shine through a bit.
I thought this was a really good game by Spags - especially after that first crazy long drive and the fact that they got points on their first two drives. Spags mixed up coverages really well, shuffled the DL around a bit, the LBs were in good positions to stop the run (basically neutralizing their supposed big threat) and Prescott really couldn't get big chunks of yardage through the air.
Did Dez Bryant play yesterday?
That would be my dream.
If you pull up the photo from Eli giving Mac the game ball yesterday look at his gut. He's fat.
The reason? In the last week alone he has posted on instagram eating Popeyes and Five Guys.
I hope we get our moneys worth this year and let him move on. No way I give stubby any kind of long term $$
I know I will get flamed for this and I welcome it.
Huh? Wow, stupid is strong with you.
I do agree bigger culprits were the DTs as I thought Dak had a nice clear vision straight ahead as nobody was in his face...
12-15 sacks every year is a unrealistic standard to set.
Maybe for every year, but its not unrealistic for an elite DE to average that during his prime. Strahan averaged 12 sacks/season from 26-34. Von Miller's averaged 12 to start his career including an injury shortened season. Jared Allen averaged 13 sacks/season from his rookie year to his age 31 season.
And while those are high expectations, that's what many (most?) expected from JPP after his 2011 campaign. So while he's been a great player, he's still fallen short of the lofty expectations that were set for him after his early success.
It would be like Beckham maxing out as a Rod Smith level player. A team drafting Rod Smith in the 1st round every year is going to have some great success, but after his 1st two seasons, I think most would consider that a disappointing career for Beckham.
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Is that he has a great season and prices himself off of the Giants.
That would be my dream.
If you pull up the photo from Eli giving Mac the game ball yesterday look at his gut. He's fat.
The reason? In the last week alone he has posted on instagram eating Popeyes and Five Guys.
I hope we get our moneys worth this year and let him move on. No way I give stubby any kind of long term $$
I know I will get flamed for this and I welcome it.
Huh? Wow, stupid is strong with you.
OK Joe Pa tell me what I said that was stupid and/or not fact. I'll wait.
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12-15 sacks every year is a unrealistic standard to set.
Maybe for every year, but its not unrealistic for an elite DE to average that during his prime. Strahan averaged 12 sacks/season from 26-34. Von Miller's averaged 12 to start his career including an injury shortened season. Jared Allen averaged 13 sacks/season from his rookie year to his age 31 season.
And while those are high expectations, that's what many (most?) expected from JPP after his 2011 campaign. So while he's been a great player, he's still fallen short of the lofty expectations that were set for him after his early success.
It would be like Beckham maxing out as a Rod Smith level player. A team drafting Rod Smith in the 1st round every year is going to have some great success, but after his 1st two seasons, I think most would consider that a disappointing career for Beckham.
I am sorry that JPP disappointed you in not being one of the top three pass rushing DEs in the history of football.
I would suggest to give it a few games. Both Vernon and JPP will get their sacks. Both have in the past. That hey play the run equally well is a bonus and not as common. Dallas' OL is one of the better and the run was utterly shut down. Spags played it very safe in the first half. Once he took off the training wheels Dallas' O was crap. If not for the INT they most likely don't score.
Sorry, was replying to don mexico ... who was setting unrealistic expectations.
You can make the argument that JPP when healthy is far more dominant than Tuck or Osi ever were.
Tuck had his own injury issues and had to basically be begged out on to the practice field by Rolle before turning it on in 2011.
Osi was definitely a dominant pass rusher with a unique skill set of causing strip sacks but vs. the run was a different story.
JPP's 2011 was the best season for a Giants defensive player not named Taylor or Strahan.
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Is that he has a great season and prices himself off of the Giants.
That would be my dream.
If you pull up the photo from Eli giving Mac the game ball yesterday look at his gut. He's fat.
The reason? In the last week alone he has posted on instagram eating Popeyes and Five Guys.
I hope we get our moneys worth this year and let him move on. No way I give stubby any kind of long term $$
I know I will get flamed for this and I welcome it.
Huh? Wow, stupid is strong with you.
OK Joe Pa tell me what I said that was stupid and/or not fact. I'll wait.
Literally everything you typed was stupid.
I'd try and lock JPP up right now. He deserves a long term deal.
Oh and limerick your post is just dumb. Omg he's got a gut... The guy would eat you as a snack and then run sprints.