for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Our new fullback.....

cnewk : 9/12/2016 3:23 pm
Presenting our new fullback....at least for 2 plays on the Giants final drive. Brett Jones was lined up as fullback for 1st and 2nd down on the final series of plays. The result was a gain of 1 and a loss of 3, but he actually did his job pretty well.

The Cowboys put 8 men in the box on these 2 plays, so the extra lineman in the backfield might have had a negative impact by allowing the defense to focus more on the run, but Jones demolished LB Gachkar. He makes contact with him at the line of scrimmage (Cowboy 46). Jennings is tackled quickly because Donnell can't make his block and Jerry can't get a block on Lee. By the time Jennings is tackled for essentially no gain, Jones has pushed his man 4 yards down field to the 42. He keeps pushing him well past the 40 and out of the picture.



The play didn't work, but it was fun to see the big guy line up as a FB and lay the wood on the linebacker.
Good post with great pics  
BurlyMan : 9/12/2016 3:25 pm : link
On the radio broadcast they were saying that if Jennings follows Barrett he would have had a big gainer.
thanks cnewk  
giants#1 : 9/12/2016 3:27 pm : link
Didn't notice that during the game. It'll be interesting if they mix in some stuff like this with 3 WR at some point (instead of 2 WR + Donnell/Tye).

Can you breakdown the play(s) where Flowers was lined up on the right side (I think Beatty played LT with Flowers shifting to jumbo TE)?
Good Guy  
GruningsOnTheHill : 9/12/2016 3:29 pm : link
I was in the Canadian Rockies last year when I read a good article about Jones in the local paper. He had a great year in the Canadian league but his dream was to play amongst the best in the NFL; he was excited to be with the Giants. Hard-working, humble guy.
That's who that was?  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/12/2016 3:30 pm : link
That was awesome. On the one play that got stopped, he completely obliterated his guy an extra 5 yards down the field.
Yeah  
HoustonGiant : 9/12/2016 3:30 pm : link
they let Whitlock go, and I din't realize it until a friend pointed out the "small Canadian" was playing FB.
I have been wondering...  
manh george : 9/12/2016 3:37 pm : link
which backup OL would end up being used as a FB, given the lack of a formal FB on the roster and the extreme limitations of our TE's as potential H-Backs. I guess now we know. Am I wrong, or did I also see Tye lined up that way a couple of times?

I have suspected that when Beatty re-signed, that he might end up doing some of this as well. Perhaps he still will, once he is acclimated fully. I have long felt that there were opportunities for teams to use back-up OL that are quick but possibly a little undersized to be starters as blocking backs.
Whitlock  
lugnut : 9/12/2016 3:38 pm : link
is on our PS, no?
RE: Whitlock  
Giantsfan79 : 9/12/2016 3:41 pm : link
In comment 13118271 lugnut said:
Quote:
is on our PS, no?


He's on IR not the practice squad.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: Whitlock  
BlueHurricane : 9/12/2016 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13118271 lugnut said:
Quote:
is on our PS, no?


IR
No.  
manh george : 9/12/2016 3:42 pm : link
Waived injured. From GiantsWire:

Quote:
Meanwhile, Whitlock suffered a mid-foot sprain in Saturday’s 21-20 victory over the New York Jets and, as recently as Monday morning, had been pondering surgery. Given the severity of the injury and the need for surgery, it’s unlikely he’ll play again until 2017.
I only saw one play with an unbalanced line  
cnewk : 9/12/2016 3:44 pm : link
It was the first play of their final drive. Beatty was not in. The line went Tye,Pugh,Richburg,Jerry,Newhouse Flowers.

DT Crawford looks confused when he lines up and notices Tye is playing tackle, he looks back at the LB, but then quickly gets back in his stance with no change to the alignment.

Pugh (circled) pulls and helps open up a big lane for Jennings. Newhouse does a good job of blocking his man to the inside, and Flowers easily keeps his man away from the play. Crawford is able to disengage with Richburg an make the tackle 7 yards downfield. If it wasn't him it probably would have bee Lee at the same spot. A nice 7 yard gain.



This would be a nice play to review with a better camera angle.
He's been a nice story  
BillT : 9/12/2016 3:45 pm : link
Spent a year on the PS to get his game together. Made the team year two, got a uniform and 2 snaps on offense, 9 on ST.
thanks cnewk  
giants#1 : 9/12/2016 3:49 pm : link
that's the play I was thinking of. Wasn't sure if there were any others.
Great Thread!  
ZogZerg : 9/12/2016 3:52 pm : link
..
RE: I only saw one play with an unbalanced line  
FJ : 9/12/2016 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13118294 cnewk said:
Quote:
It was the first play of their final drive. Beatty was not in. The line went Tye,Pugh,Richburg,Jerry,Newhouse Flowers.
...

Beatty was inactive.
Welcome back, cnewk.  
Racer : 9/12/2016 4:29 pm : link
You're one one of the guys whose stuff I scan the board for regularly...been several weeks. Thanks for the post.
cnewk...  
manh george : 9/12/2016 4:50 pm : link
my comments were not about an unbalanced line, They were about using a backup OL as a a true fullback, behing the QB and in front of the HB.

Thoughts?
Good working catching this.  
Ira : 9/12/2016 4:56 pm : link
I like Jones and hope he can continue to find a way to contribute.
That was great, cnewk.  
yatqb : 9/12/2016 5:00 pm : link
I only noticed Jones running off the field once...didn't catch him in at FB. Gotta give props to McAdoo for that...TC would never have done either the unbalanced line or the OL at FB.
RE: cnewk...  
cnewk : 9/12/2016 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13118442 manh george said:
Quote:
my comments were not about an unbalanced line, They were about using a backup OL as a a true fullback, behing the QB and in front of the HB.

Thoughts?


Yeah, I was responding to giants#1. I don't have my notes in front of me ru now, but they used Donnell and Tye in the H back and FB position a number of times.

I like the idea of using a backup OL in a fullback role. It seems like Tye and Donnell both struggle in this role. They just aren't good at lead blocking. I was impressed with Jones in this role for the two plays he was in.

Like said in my first post, having Jones in the backfield does make it easier for the defense to discount the pass. And you could see that by how Dallas defended it (though at that stage of the game a run was expected anyway). For them to use him in that role more frequently I think they would have to pass with him as FB as well.
The bowltr bowl with passing with Jones at FB  
cnewk : 9/12/2016 5:27 pm : link
Is you certainly aren't going to have him go out for a pass, and pass blocking in the backfield is a lot different than pass blocking as a lineman. You could probably do play action effectively. But you are probably talking 4 or 5 plays as the most you would see him in there, unless he has a lot more skills than expected.
Nice job cnewk  
T in NJ : 9/12/2016 5:30 pm : link
This would be a great Jumbo look.
Yikes!  
cnewk : 9/12/2016 6:38 pm : link
"the bowltr bowl" should be "the trouble". I guess that's what I get for trying to post on my phone....
How cool would it be if Jones could catch a little  
JFIB : 9/12/2016 7:47 pm : link
I'm sure he's more than capable of handling pass protection from the back field. If he could catch the ball at all he could be used in a trick play of sorts on the goal line!
Here is a gif of the play  
cnewk : 9/13/2016 8:24 am : link
You can see both Pugh and Jones driving their LBs well downfield.



Lee shoots the gap and makes the tackle along with Irving who runs right through Donnell. Even with Donnell's lousy block, Jennings had a chance at a big gain if Lee gets blocked.

It's hard to see exactly what happens in the middle. It looks like Jerry trips over Thornton as Richburg takes him to the ground. If Jerry is able to get to Lee, Jennings has a chance of getting a first down and putting the game away.
Didn't  
Joeguido : 9/13/2016 8:31 am : link
notice that during the game. Thanks for the gif.
and lol  
area junc : 9/13/2016 9:22 am : link
there's that incompetent boob Larry Donnell getting his ass handed to him at the LOS while everyone else opens up a big hole.
If LD just forces his man outside it's fine but he lets the guy go INSIDE so he can easily disrupt the run.

Guy is killing this team, who cares if he makes an occasional good catch.
RE: and lol  
section125 : 9/13/2016 9:29 am : link
In comment 13119828 area junc said:
Quote:
there's that incompetent boob Larry Donnell getting his ass handed to him at the LOS while everyone else opens up a big hole.
If LD just forces his man outside it's fine but he lets the guy go INSIDE so he can easily disrupt the run.

Guy is killing this team, who cares if he makes an occasional good catch.


Only thing Donnell's DE does is fall on the pile after Lee stuffed the play.
you're  
area junc : 9/13/2016 9:31 am : link
joking right? if donnell makes his block jennings is 1on1 with Lee and has a chance to do something. Instead he gets hit by 2 guys closing from different directions.

There's always an unblocked defender the RB has to make miss. It can't be 2. It's the difference between 2-3 yards and 0 yards.
and section even if you're right  
area junc : 9/13/2016 9:33 am : link
(I disagree but who cares) the point is - look at that block by Donnell.

Just look at it.

That happens constantly, week in, week out. That's not OK.
i pointed out another play earlier  
area junc : 9/13/2016 9:35 am : link
this week, 2nd and 10 before the 2 minute warning. Same exact thing happens. Everyone gets their block, there 3+ yards available up the gut but Donnell gets jacked up and thrown backwards like a child and it's 3rd and 12 instead of 3rd and 6. Then Jennings picks up 11 yards and we punt
Did Baalke tell you that?  
Greg from LI : 9/13/2016 9:35 am : link
RE: you're  
section125 : 9/13/2016 9:38 am : link
In comment 13119843 area junc said:
Quote:
joking right? if donnell makes his block jennings is 1on1 with Lee and has a chance to do something. Instead he gets hit by 2 guys closing from different directions.

There's always an unblocked defender the RB has to make miss. It can't be 2. It's the difference between 2-3 yards and 0 yards.


Lee makes the tackle. If Lee isn't there, Jennings is long gone. Yes a bad block by Donnell.
Oh and I think Donnell should have been cut before the season
RE: you're  
cnewk : 9/13/2016 9:44 am : link
In comment 13119843 area junc said:
Quote:
joking right? if donnell makes his block jennings is 1on1 with Lee and has a chance to do something. Instead he gets hit by 2 guys closing from different directions.

There's always an unblocked defender the RB has to make miss. It can't be 2. It's the difference between 2-3 yards and 0 yards.


Donnell had a terrible "block" for sure. But, Jennings is stuffed even if Donnell makes a perfect block. Lee made the tackle, and Donnell's man made little impact on the play. Even with Donnell getting beat, I think Jennings may have been able to get through the hole, if Lee had been effectively blocked.

If you are looking for a play where Donnell got destroyed and it blew up the play, the next play in the series is the one you want. The play probably wasn't going anywhere anyway, but Donnell got beat so badly there's no way to really know.

It was the only other play Jones was in at FB:
RE: and lol  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/13/2016 9:44 am : link
In comment 13119828 area junc said:
Quote:
there's that incompetent boob Larry Donnell getting his ass handed to him at the LOS while everyone else opens up a big hole.
If LD just forces his man outside it's fine but he lets the guy go INSIDE so he can easily disrupt the run.

Guy is killing this team, who cares if he makes an occasional good catch.


Donnell had a good day blocking, you fucking moron
RE: Welcome back, cnewk.  
jcn56 : 9/13/2016 9:46 am : link
In comment 13118398 Racer said:
Quote:
You're one one of the guys whose stuff I scan the board for regularly...been several weeks. Thanks for the post.


+1, awesome as always and thanks!
Cnewk we could go back and forth  
area junc : 9/13/2016 10:07 am : link
all day, my point is simply if Donnell doesnt give up his inside Jennings will still b tackled by Lee but hes got wiggle room to perform a football move and get a yard or 2. Instead with LDs man crashing down on him it forces RJ into a predictable area where he stuffed for no gain. Who cares anyway, Lee, 2 yards or not we can all see he is hurting the team as a blocker as your next play, and the play around the 2 minute warning, continue to show

How we've gone 3 years keeping this guy on the field so often is scary and we havent rven gotten to his ball security. As others have mentioned hes more of a #3 TE at best who can play in some red zone packages but hes demonstrated week in, week out he cant get the job done blocking. What we are seeing above is not abnormal for him.
Its been a long time since i heard....  
cjac : 9/13/2016 10:10 am : link
69 IS ELIGIBLE!!!!

Giggity
Cnewk we could go back and forth  
area junc : 9/13/2016 10:26 am : link
all day, my point is simply if Donnell doesnt give up his inside Jennings will still b tackled by Lee but hes got wiggle room to perform a football move and get a yard or 2. Instead with LDs man crashing down on him it forces RJ into a predictable area where he stuffed for no gain. Who cares anyway, Lee, 2 yards or not we can all see he is hurting the team as a blocker as your next play, and the play around the 2 minute warning, continue to show

How we've gone 3 years keeping this guy on the field so often is scary and we havent rven gotten to his ball security. As others have mentioned hes more of a #3 TE at best who can play in some red zone packages but hes demonstrated week in, week out he cant get the job done blocking. What we are seeing above is not abnormal for him.
Sorry  
area junc : 9/13/2016 10:26 am : link
for double post ugh
RE: Sorry  
section125 : 9/13/2016 10:31 am : link
In comment 13119980 area junc said:
Quote:
for double post ugh


has to be a record - double posts 19 minutes apart. Sunspots?
Stapleton is posting the coaches tape of Brett Jones Fullback  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/13/2016 11:24 am : link
Take 1
Link - ( New Window )
Here's  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/13/2016 11:25 am : link
Take 2
Link - ( New Window )
Still picture of one of the formations  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/13/2016 11:26 am : link
from coaches tape
Link - ( New Window )
Back to the Corner