Giants -4.5 vs Saints

We still could have (should have) won that game (last 2 minutes blah, blah, blah, - script).

I think the Giants cover.

fewer than 7 touchdowns, the Giants should be fine.

God, was that 2015 defense a pathetic disgrace.

is completely different that the one that gave up 50 pts.

... was the one that really hammered home the need for some of the offseason changes we have seen?

game was that the Giants had two interceptions, one returned for a touchdown and STILL gave up 52 points.

With Sunday's Referee - Gene Steratore

and play the Saints.

a few of those terrible losses from last year in the first two games.

would love to see the OL build on Sunday's performance and open up some holes. The league wide perception on New Orleans seems pretty low but it's still Brees and he can still drop 40 on nearly any team in the league. I have no doubt the Giants receivers and TEs can torch that secondary but I'd really prefer to not get into a shoutout. And the passing game will open up even more if they establish the run early and give the safeties something to think about before getting into their drops.

On a personal note, I might hate the Saints more than any non-diviosnal team. It would be really nice to knock the crap out of them. They've won 5 of the last 7 meetings and all of those were blowouts. Average margin of defeat is 22 points. That Christmas Eve fiasco in 2006 made for a miserable holiday.

In comment 13121089 Bold Ruler said:

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and play the Saints.

Giants have only played the Saints at home once in the last 9 years

Giants and Saints have only played 5 times in the last 10 years

Landon Collins 78
BRANDON MERRIWEATHER 78
Cromartie 77
JAYRON HOSLEY 70
Kennard 62
KERRY WYNN 56
Hankins 55
Ayers 49
Casillas 47
UANI UNGA 43
Cullen Jenkins 42
GEORGE SELVIE 35
MARKUS KUHN 34
TRUMAINE MCBRIDE 31
TREVIN WADE 30
Jay Bromley 23
Jasper Brinkley 22
DAMONTRE MOORE 14
CRAIG DAHL 11

Jayron Hosley and Trevin Wade combined to allow 11 receptions on 11 targets for 216 yards and 4 touchdowns.

In comment 13121089 Bold Ruler said:

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and play the Saints.

I believe you're referring to opening at home against NFC South team, last year was the Falcons.

In comment 13121112 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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Landon Collins 78 BRANDON MERRIWEATHER 78 Cromartie 77 JAYRON HOSLEY 70 Kennard 62 KERRY WYNN 56 Hankins 55 Ayers 49 Casillas 47 UANI UNGA 43 Cullen Jenkins 42 GEORGE SELVIE 35 MARKUS KUHN 34 TRUMAINE MCBRIDE 31 TREVIN WADE 30 Jay Bromley 23 Jasper Brinkley 22 DAMONTRE MOORE 14 CRAIG DAHL 11 Jayron Hosley and Trevin Wade combined to allow 11 receptions on 11 targets for 216 yards and 4 touchdowns.

Says it all

In comment 13121102 j_rud said:

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On a personal note, I might hate the Saints more than any non-diviosnal team. It would be really nice to knock the crap out of them. They've won 5 of the last 7 meetings and all of those were blowouts. Average margin of defeat is 22 points. That Christmas Eve fiasco in 2006 made for a miserable holiday.

I hate them almost as much as the Eagles, MNF shellacking from 2011 comes to mind. Drew Brees is a phony, Sean Payton's visor annoys me. As George Carlin said, "who the fuck wants to see the top of your head?"

In comment 13121089 Bold Ruler said:

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and play the Saints.

And Minnesota on the road.

Where we kicked the complete shit out of them, that was the game where David Wilson broke out as a possible impact player.

Jimmy Graham gave up, Antrel Rolle lit him up on multiple occasions

That we roll the Saints and I almost never have those.

the tournament, as Parcels likes to call it. If we play like we did against the Cowboys defensively or offensively we lose this week. If we build on the good and eliminate the bad we could dominate because we have better personnel - - but no guarantees. I think our young talent gets better but I'm the original glass half full fan.

The saints OL is not Dallas and the Saints corners won't hold ours.

In comment 13121251 ANGPASS said:

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The saints OL is not Dallas and the Saints corners won't hold ours.

Defensive lines are probably similar and Saints corners look worse. Our Offense can match theirs (see last year) and our Defense is way improved this go around. I like our chances, but the Saints can force almost anyone into a shoot out.

turn into sacks of Brees.

It was both wildly exciting and soul crushing depressing.

In comment 13121209 Joey in VA said:

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That we roll the Saints and I almost never have those.

That's me too

It seems that many on this forum need more evidence to realize that our D is legit. Bryant being held to 1 catch for 8 yards was not luck.All the non-receptions were contended and knocked away.

Our secondary can all cover and have legit speed. Snead nor Cooks will be breaking free on go routes. Our secondary will be showcased this weekend, and the results will obviously surprise many on this forum. Brees will not have a clean pocket and his receivers will not easily shake their press coverage.

I believe that the Giants will win by 2 TD's or more.

are critical this week...we have to get them off the field on 3rd down and we have to convert on offense to also keep their offense off the field.

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-had we needed to play saints in playoffs I don't feel we would have won

Maybe you all know, but their "top" corner broke his fibula last sunday so he is out.

Their secondary will be manned by PJ Williams who is a 2nd year guy drafted in the third round, and the other top two corners are undrafted free agents.

In other words, start every Giant WR on your fantasy team...

only the title.

my bad...

in Dallas was and an indicator that maybe this team can be pretty good.

A loss to the woeful Saints at home would be a loss you don't take following a big win, if you are a good team.

it's a game the Giants have to win if they want to have a decent record

is flucking dangerous

interesting to see how many non starters/non NFL players played so many snaps for us last year.

In comment 13121209 Joey in VA said:

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That we roll the Saints and I almost never have those.

Same here..more confident in this game than last week. Just feel the giants d is going to pressure brees a lot and forcing quite a few turnovers..i think the giants roll on them here sunday

In comment 13121489 Big Blue '56 said:

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is flucking dangerous

Hes good..but on road hes sometimes not the same qb

with this game..

If this was November or December when it might be cold and windy, I'd feel a heckuva lot more confident. If the weather Sunday is rather balmy, it's almost like Brees playing indoors..

Not saying we'll lose. Not in the least. Just that my confidence level is nowhere near yours and Joey's

Sunday. I'll be there so that sucks but also sucks in terms of making some flukey plays.

In comment 13121529 Big Blue '56 said:

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with this game.. If this was November or December when it might be cold and windy, I'd feel a heckuva lot more confident. If the weather Sunday is rather balmy, it's almost like Brees playing indoors.. Not saying we'll lose. Not in the least. Just that my confidence level is nowhere near yours and Joey's

Hey pops, I watched the Oakland NO game start to finish last week, and neither team was anywhere close to prepared on defense. The Saints will score, I don't doubt that but their defense is still in shambles and ours isn't. Mr. Apple will play plenty I assume, Brees should be going after him with Michael Thomas but that's a matchup he's used to. Cooks really can't be controlled, he's just that fast but Willie Snead blew up and he's not a game changer, I expect Janoris or DC to clamp him down. If I'm Brees, I'm going after Apple, our LBs and Landon Collins downfield.

Aside from Cam Jordan and maybe Paul Kruger if he finds his form they lack pass rush and Eli should have time to do what he wants. I expect a track meet that we win because we have superior defense talent to a year ago. If it rains, bye bye Saints.

In comment 13121112 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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Landon Collins 78 BRANDON MERRIWEATHER 78 Cromartie 77 JAYRON HOSLEY 70 Kennard 62 KERRY WYNN 56 Hankins 55 Ayers 49 Casillas 47 UANI UNGA 43 Cullen Jenkins 42 GEORGE SELVIE 35 MARKUS KUHN 34 TRUMAINE MCBRIDE 31 TREVIN WADE 30 Jay Bromley 23 Jasper Brinkley 22 DAMONTRE MOORE 14 CRAIG DAHL 11 Jayron Hosley and Trevin Wade combined to allow 11 receptions on 11 targets for 216 yards and 4 touchdowns.

Guys? Please look at this. Study it. Then look at our present roster. For the foreseeable future, we're making a run.

In comment 13121209 Joey in VA said:

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That we roll the Saints and I almost never have those.

Still cautious of Brees however, the way we're playing, plus the weather coming together to be Meh at gametime, their deficiencies...Yeah, we should win.

In comment 13121430 Jimmy Googs said:

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Maybe you all know, but their "top" corner broke his fibula last sunday so he is out. Their secondary will be manned by PJ Williams who is a 2nd year guy drafted in the third round, and the other top two corners are undrafted free agents. In other words, start every Giant WR on your fantasy team...

Good, I have both Shepard and Cruz.

In comment 13121112 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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Landon Collins 78 BRANDON MERRIWEATHER 78 Cromartie 77 JAYRON HOSLEY 70 Kennard 62 KERRY WYNN 56 Hankins 55 Ayers 49 Casillas 47 UANI UNGA 43 Cullen Jenkins 42 GEORGE SELVIE 35 MARKUS KUHN 34 TRUMAINE MCBRIDE 31 TREVIN WADE 30 Jay Bromley 23 Jasper Brinkley 22 DAMONTRE MOORE 14 CRAIG DAHL 11 Jayron Hosley and Trevin Wade combined to allow 11 receptions on 11 targets for 216 yards and 4 touchdowns.

How many of these guys aren't even on a NFL roster anymore?

In comment 13121112 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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Landon Collins 78 BRANDON MERRIWEATHER 78 Cromartie 77 JAYRON HOSLEY 70 Kennard 62 KERRY WYNN 56 Hankins 55 Ayers 49 Casillas 47 UANI UNGA 43 Cullen Jenkins 42 GEORGE SELVIE 35 MARKUS KUHN 34 TRUMAINE MCBRIDE 31 TREVIN WADE 30 Jay Bromley 23 Jasper Brinkley 22 DAMONTRE MOORE 14 CRAIG DAHL 11 Jayron Hosley and Trevin Wade combined to allow 11 receptions on 11 targets for 216 yards and 4 touchdowns.

This really does say it all

The Giants are a very different team this year

are not as prolific on the road as they are at home. The Saints will put up some points but not 52. I see a 35-25 game here in our favour.

But this is important as this is our home opener and a game we should win. Will tell a lot about this team. Plus, I would love to be playing the Skins, a game I will see live, with a 2-0 record.

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meaning the oddsmakers don't have a great feel for this game either way. -4.5 to -5.5 is usually the range for this.

But on the Saints and playing on the road, I went back over the last 2 years to see what they have done in those games in September and October when the weather is seasonably warm.

They have played 9 such games, losing 7 of them.

They have given up an average of 28 points in the games, while only averaging 23.

They have only scored 30 points or more in only 1 (ONE) of the games, while giving up 30+ in 4 of the games.

So the Saints offense has not produced at the same rate they do at home even in ideal conditions (5 of the road games were played indoors).

In my head this lines up as a 30-20 Giants win with them covering.

The Team we fielded last year especially on Defense is
gone . Early returns tell me that the Saints will
not hang another 50 on us .
Breese is great and they have speed at WR but Our
Offense should be more consistent each week .
We must have positive yards when we run on 1st and 10
and sustain some drives win time of possession and the
Defense will take care of the rest
34-17 Giants

In comment 13121704 Greg from LI said:

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Greg -- that bears repeating! -- and also the upgrade from Hosley to Apple is also immense

In comment 13121112 shockeyisthebest8056 said:

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Landon Collins 78 BRANDON MERRIWEATHER 78 Cromartie 77 JAYRON HOSLEY 70 Kennard 62 KERRY WYNN 56 Hankins 55 Ayers 49 Casillas 47 UANI UNGA 43 Cullen Jenkins 42 GEORGE SELVIE 35 MARKUS KUHN 34 TRUMAINE MCBRIDE 31 TREVIN WADE 30 Jay Bromley 23 Jasper Brinkley 22 DAMONTRE MOORE 14 CRAIG DAHL 11 Jayron Hosley and Trevin Wade combined to allow 11 receptions on 11 targets for 216 yards and 4 touchdowns.

That is one awful roster of names right there.

Just win the game. By 1 or 30. We can really establish some early momentum if we don't fuck this up. Two NFC and an NFCE win out of the gate.

I guaranteed Minnesota would cover. This week I guarantee the Titans will cover the 6 points.

IIRC. That tells you how friggin' bad the rest of that secondary played.

I also remember Ben Watson was basically playing catch with Brees that day like nobody was even around.

and lost the best player in it in the Raiders game. We should pick them apart and win big, IMO.