I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't watch the games here, since not everyone agrees with you. Was that really necessary? Seriously, you can't just leave it at he's better without the patronizing comment?
Was up to speed from day one and continues to get better. Joseph took some time to beast.. The early returns have been better for Hankins.. He will have to continue to improve though to stay ahead of Joseph in my mind.
Linval is one of the top 5 strongest players in the game, he is a beast. Barry was savy but relentless but is not on the same talent level as Linval. Johnathan is a good combination of the two actually and is clearly a better player than Barry ever was. But anyone who says Hankins is better than Joseph is lying. Hankins has cost far less these past 4 years but Joseph has established himself as one of the best at DT while Hankins is just getting started. Linval has hit his ceiling though while Hankins has shown at very least he has a high floor and he is only expected to improve. Easy answer, with Hankins we have one of the best DLines. Swap him for Linval, then we have THE best DLine hands down.
Hankins is a better pass rusher overall than Linval. Might be a case for each against the run. Joseph did not play great in his first season at Minny but did much better last season despite missing some time. He does have tremendous talent around him, too.
I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't watch the games here, since not everyone agrees with you. Was that really necessary? Seriously, you can't just leave it at he's better without the patronizing comment?
It's not you. There's a band of negativists here who contribute little but jump on anyone who does contribute.
They are to be tolerated: sad creatures desperate for a feeling of worthiness and empowerment.
Hankins is a better pass rusher overall than Linval. Might be a case for each against the run. Joseph did not play great in his first season at Minny but did much better last season despite missing some time. He does have tremendous talent around him, too.
This!!!!! He has background rushing from the outside. As such he was not expendable because he has the quicks to play the 3 tech. Honestly, i think I like Hankins better because of his ability to do it all
Very possibly the best of the three but it's hard to tell without knowing the assignments. He was the 4th round pick with pedestrian measurables and the other two were 2nd round picks with superior size and strength, but Cofield was a technician with good instincts who made others around him better. That's why he was starting at DT as a rookie while the other two spent their rookie years mostly as inactives.
He had the potential to be one of the best but injuries slowed him down. Whenever he was at a peak of dominance the injury bug would bite him. As a fan it was frustrating to see becasuse it was obvious how good this guy was.
I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't watch the games here, since not everyone agrees with you. Was that really necessary? Seriously, you can't just leave it at he's better without the patronizing comment?
It's not you. There's a band of negativists here who contribute little but jump on anyone who does contribute.
They are to be tolerated: sad creatures desperate for a feeling of worthiness and empowerment.
I was mad when the Giants let Joseph go. But to tell you truth I think Hankins is quickly becoming his equal. He gets more penetration then Joseph did and is a very good run stopper. Couple that with Snacks Harrison if he stays healthy they will be very hard to run on allowing the Giants to put more pressure on the passing game. You saw that in the Dallas game especially in the second half. There really was nowhere for Elliot to go.
Very possibly the best of the three but it's hard to tell without knowing the assignments. He was the 4th round pick with pedestrian measurables and the other two were 2nd round picks with superior size and strength, but Cofield was a technician with good instincts who made others around him better. That's why he was starting at DT as a rookie while the other two spent their rookie years mostly as inactives.
I will always love Barry for that great take down on Brady in the Superbowl.
in MIN. Zimmer took him up a notch but he is also playing within a far superior D than he ever did with Fewell. fun D to watch
thought it was interesting one of the NYG linebackers recently called Hankins the best run stopper in the NFL. Not Snacks - but Hankins. Of course Rolle used to call Linval All World too but it shows what his teammates think about him. i had personally never considered Hankins at that level but maybe i should
Very possibly the best of the three but it's hard to tell without knowing the assignments. He was the 4th round pick with pedestrian measurables and the other two were 2nd round picks with superior size and strength, but Cofield was a technician with good instincts who made others around him better. That's why he was starting at DT as a rookie while the other two spent their rookie years mostly as inactives.
I will always love Barry for that great take down on Brady in the Superbowl.
The memorable one was Jay Alford with a textbook sack as he caught Brady off his feet and drove him to the ground.
He had the potential to be one of the best but injuries slowed him down. Whenever he was at a peak of dominance the injury bug would bite him. As a fan it was frustrating to see becasuse it was obvious how good this guy was.
The flashes of top Griffin were ridiculous, but he was one of those guys who could never stay on the field. Even when he went to the Redskins, he never showed the full package he did as a young Giant.
The Hammer is still the standard at DT for the last 25 years. Freddie Robbins is also superior to Cofield and Hankins at this point.
it's a good question overall - cofield had the best pass rush of the 3 too IMO although even that is plenty debatable.
another thing with cofield is how shockingly good he was as a 34 NT with WAS. he got hurt the next year but there was a year he was looking like an All Pro NT.
Joseph go. That's the sad part. Is what it is at this point but compare what Joseph got overall to what the Giants just gave Harrison. Reese fucked up DT after hitting on both Hankins and Joseph. Austin was a bust and Bromley isnt even in the same area code as Hankins whom they must re-sign.
Harrison IMO is an admittance of that. The old Ravens strategy where your two DTs are monsters.
if they keep Hankins, the others drafted flew away after their rookie contracts. I think Robbins was underrated as a pass rusher. Since they don't seem to have a heir apparent,
I would hope they keep Hankins.
a couple posters (great job thanks) Hankins was a beast. He looked better then before he got hurt. He was all over - maybe Snacks has just been such an upgrade that it has spilled over. Maybe Snacks is helping Hankins read and improved his technique. I also think Hankins put on some weight - he isn't that far behind Snacks.
I don't know who is better because Joseph was impressive.
Very possibly the best of the three but it's hard to tell without knowing the assignments. He was the 4th round pick with pedestrian measurables and the other two were 2nd round picks with superior size and strength, but Cofield was a technician with good instincts who made others around him better. That's why he was starting at DT as a rookie while the other two spent their rookie years mostly as inactives.
Sums it up very well. Can't knock any of them, but Cofield outperformed everybody's expectations.
I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't watch the games here, since not everyone agrees with you. Was that really necessary? Seriously, you can't just leave it at he's better without the patronizing comment?
It's not you. There's a band of negativists here who contribute little but jump on anyone who does contribute.
They are to be tolerated: sad creatures desperate for a feeling of worthiness and empowerment.
he got a very reasonable contract in Minnesota, 31 over 5. I dont understand that move at all. We should have both Joseph and Hankins.
I dont know why the recent history of the Giants is to draft DTs and not resign them when they develop reasonable. So then we use #2 picks on their replacements.
but LinJo never played the 3T here. He was the 1, with Canty at 3.
he would come off the field on passing situations in favor of Tuck or JPP inside.
my biggest gripe with LinJo (and I was in the camp he was good, not great) was he seemed to fail to show up vs. the Cowboys and Eagles. we'd talk all game about being strong up front and then get shoved around by our rivals.
Even in his first season in Minnesota he was considered to be a disappointment given his contract. His career took off last season, and good for him, but it's pure hindsight to claim that he was that player for the Giants and deserving of that contract.
a couple posters (great job thanks) Hankins was a beast. He looked better then before he got hurt. He was all over - maybe Snacks has just been such an upgrade that it has spilled over. Maybe Snacks is helping Hankins read and improved his technique. I also think Hankins put on some weight - he isn't that far behind Snacks.
I don't know who is better because Joseph was impressive.
Hankins has been the NT for all purposes. Now he's at the 3 Tech and has a dude that you need two guys on a lot and is immovable for the most part in the run game. He's the best DT Hankins has had next to him ever. IIRC he came in to spell for Joseph so he never really played next to Linval. No idea why the never tried those two next to each other more. I BLAME Reese for fucking up for letting Joseph go for a reasonable deal but this DL has potential to wreak havok.
IMO I also think they were very vanilla last week u til they had to be more aggressive as I think Spags will need to get to Brees. Very interested to see how and I guess if this DL collapses the pocket vs the Saints . They need to get pressure up the middle on Brees
Even in his first season in Minnesota he was considered to be a disappointment given his contract. His career took off last season, and good for him, but it's pure hindsight to claim that he was that player for the Giants and deserving of that contract.
That's just No true . His Contract was not some break the bank deal. He just got a lot of money year one. The Reese contongent here kept harping on that . It's the up front money bonus that always counts. And he got a lot less than Snacks
Harrison got 24 million guaranteed and Joseph got 12.5 million guaranteed two years later. Joesph's yearly average is 6.5 million. Even 2 years ago that was more than reasonable.
He was a very good player coming into his prime. Playing for a. Unimaginative system DC. Big shocker he's playing better under Zimmer who was a guy I would have loved as our HC a few years ago. Is there any question who is better coach between Fewell or Zimmer?
Joseph was very good. As good, or maybe better than Hank.
LOL. I'm so use to us calling him Linval up here. I thought when he first posted this he was talking about Willam Joseph. You're right Linval was good.
Although Linval was never as good here as he's been with Minnesota.
it's a new world for hankins. snacks gets doubled as does JPP. every week. hankins is a load for any G trying to block him 1on1.
in the past, its been hankins doubled w/Kuhn 1on1
That last assertion is not entirely accurate. (The myth of Kuhn.) I haven't seen anyone comment about Hankins on roller skates yet -- which happened at least once vs. Dallas -- or his being *injury prone* either.
"Linval you ain't got one, you don't know what it FEELS LIKE!!!!l"
I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't watch the games here, since not everyone agrees with you. Was that really necessary? Seriously, you can't just leave it at he's better without the patronizing comment?
I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't watch the games here, since not everyone agrees with you. Was that really necessary? Seriously, you can't just leave it at he's better without the patronizing comment?
It's not you. There's a band of negativists here who contribute little but jump on anyone who does contribute.
They are to be tolerated: sad creatures desperate for a feeling of worthiness and empowerment.
This!!!!! He has background rushing from the outside. As such he was not expendable because he has the quicks to play the 3 tech. Honestly, i think I like Hankins better because of his ability to do it all
Joseph was very good. As good, or maybe better than Hank.
I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't watch the games here, since not everyone agrees with you. Was that really necessary? Seriously, you can't just leave it at he's better without the patronizing comment?
It's not you. There's a band of negativists here who contribute little but jump on anyone who does contribute.
They are to be tolerated: sad creatures desperate for a feeling of worthiness and empowerment.
I will always love Barry for that great take down on Brady in the Superbowl.
thought it was interesting one of the NYG linebackers recently called Hankins the best run stopper in the NFL. Not Snacks - but Hankins. Of course Rolle used to call Linval All World too but it shows what his teammates think about him. i had personally never considered Hankins at that level but maybe i should
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Very possibly the best of the three but it's hard to tell without knowing the assignments. He was the 4th round pick with pedestrian measurables and the other two were 2nd round picks with superior size and strength, but Cofield was a technician with good instincts who made others around him better. That's why he was starting at DT as a rookie while the other two spent their rookie years mostly as inactives.
I will always love Barry for that great take down on Brady in the Superbowl.
The memorable one was Jay Alford with a textbook sack as he caught Brady off his feet and drove him to the ground.
The flashes of top Griffin were ridiculous, but he was one of those guys who could never stay on the field. Even when he went to the Redskins, he never showed the full package he did as a young Giant.
The Hammer is still the standard at DT for the last 25 years. Freddie Robbins is also superior to Cofield and Hankins at this point.
another thing with cofield is how shockingly good he was as a 34 NT with WAS. he got hurt the next year but there was a year he was looking like an All Pro NT.
Harrison IMO is an admittance of that. The old Ravens strategy where your two DTs are monsters.
I would hope they keep Hankins.
Yeah agree.... all three really good but Linval is ahead of the other two.
I don't know who is better because Joseph was impressive.
Sums it up very well. Can't knock any of them, but Cofield outperformed everybody's expectations.
Last year, Hankins was counted on big time.....but before he was injured, he did not perform as expected....
Now you can say, look who was to the left and right of him...maybe that was the reason he didn't play well....
But can't you say the same thing this year? Does he look better than he really is because of who is to the left and right of him this year?
Yes he had 7 sacks two seasons ago....but was that the norm or an aberration?
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guys. Come on you watch the games
I guess I'm not the only one that doesn't watch the games here, since not everyone agrees with you. Was that really necessary? Seriously, you can't just leave it at he's better without the patronizing comment?
It's not you. There's a band of negativists here who contribute little but jump on anyone who does contribute.
They are to be tolerated: sad creatures desperate for a feeling of worthiness and empowerment.
So you're vote goes to Beary Kodiak?
in the past, its been hankins doubled w/Kuhn 1on1
It's just hard for me to see them re-signing Hankins after signing Harrison.
I assume this is sarcastic but he is nowhere near the player Linval is/was.
Cofield is a tougher comparison because he played the 1-technique, where as Hankins played the 3-technique.
Joseph played both and played both very well.
I dont know why the recent history of the Giants is to draft DTs and not resign them when they develop reasonable. So then we use #2 picks on their replacements.
he would come off the field on passing situations in favor of Tuck or JPP inside.
my biggest gripe with LinJo (and I was in the camp he was good, not great) was he seemed to fail to show up vs. the Cowboys and Eagles. we'd talk all game about being strong up front and then get shoved around by our rivals.
thank God that appears to be over
I don't know who is better because Joseph was impressive.
Hankins has been the NT for all purposes. Now he's at the 3 Tech and has a dude that you need two guys on a lot and is immovable for the most part in the run game. He's the best DT Hankins has had next to him ever. IIRC he came in to spell for Joseph so he never really played next to Linval. No idea why the never tried those two next to each other more. I BLAME Reese for fucking up for letting Joseph go for a reasonable deal but this DL has potential to wreak havok.
IMO I also think they were very vanilla last week u til they had to be more aggressive as I think Spags will need to get to Brees. Very interested to see how and I guess if this DL collapses the pocket vs the Saints . They need to get pressure up the middle on Brees
Yep. My bad. Got the people we let go mixed up.
Thanks for your polite correction.
That's just No true . His Contract was not some break the bank deal. He just got a lot of money year one. The Reese contongent here kept harping on that . It's the up front money bonus that always counts. And he got a lot less than Snacks
Harrison got 24 million guaranteed and Joseph got 12.5 million guaranteed two years later. Joesph's yearly average is 6.5 million. Even 2 years ago that was more than reasonable.
He was a very good player coming into his prime. Playing for a. Unimaginative system DC. Big shocker he's playing better under Zimmer who was a guy I would have loved as our HC a few years ago. Is there any question who is better coach between Fewell or Zimmer?
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guys. Come on you watch the games
Joseph was very good. As good, or maybe better than Hank.
LOL. I'm so use to us calling him Linval up here. I thought when he first posted this he was talking about Willam Joseph. You're right Linval was good.
Although Linval was never as good here as he's been with Minnesota.
in the past, its been hankins doubled w/Kuhn 1on1
That last assertion is not entirely accurate. (The myth of Kuhn.) I haven't seen anyone comment about Hankins on roller skates yet -- which happened at least once vs. Dallas -- or his being *injury prone* either.
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