New York Giants - New Orleans Saints Post-Game Discussion

In comment 13128641 Johnny5 said:

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But that's 2 weeks in a row against supposed weak defenses that our offense has looked terrible. Again happy for the win, but I am still concerned. And I am so, SO sick of the shotgun draw... lol

They were atrocious today, with the mistakes made, but the offense really didn't look terrible in week one -- they had a down third quarter, but they mostly just had limited opportunities due to Dallas dominating the clock.

on Eli's accuracy today. I'm a bit tough on Eli but the receivers had more to do with the incompletes than Eli. To me, aside from the sideline pass in the 3rd qtr to VC which seemed high and wide, he had a very accurate day. Aside from Shepard (8 of 8) they all dropped passes - some the DBs got lucky no PI was called.

In comment 13128682 EricJ said:

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How was halftime? Did they have players from the '86 team?

In comment 13128682 EricJ said:

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3. Eli has not been accurate during the first two games. There are too many passes that he is so far off of the mark that the receiver cannot get two hands on the ball. This has stalled drives too.

Eli had 9 incompletions out of 41 attempts today, with four drops and a throw away (per FO). There wasn't a lot of twisting and contorting out there either on the completions, outside of Cruz's one at the end (which was a typical QB throwing the ball up for his WR to make a play deal).

If you're looking for appreciably greater accuracy, at least on the plays they're running and types of throws being attempted, I'm not sure there's a QB in existence for you.

interesting what he can do when he has some players. Defense is playing with conviction, tackling has been good, players in position, very few blown assignments.

Saints defense was overmatched and it played hard and well. Too bad Rob Ryan isn't still the coordinator.

Lol. How many dropped balls

that some people here, despite watching every game for years, have no idea what they are watching.

OBJ had a horrible game? He had 8 catches for 86 yards and drew two pass interference penalties deep.

Eli inaccurate today? Didn't he complete 78% of his passes today?

38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball.

LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.

In comment 13128700 Rick5 said:

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In comment 13128682 EricJ said: Quote: How was halftime? Did they have players from the '86 team?

Carson, Banks, Martin, and Bavaro. I think LT was watching from Tootsie's in Miami.

% has to do with the system we run vs the accuracy of the QB so to speak. Just look at Dak P. and the cowboys and what they are trying to do. What was he 22/30 today? Does that mean he is accurate? fuck no, it's the way they run their scheme to limit the burden on him as a rookie.

In comment 13128728 dep026 said:

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38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball. LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.

Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.

In comment 13128757 EricJ said:

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In comment 13128728 dep026 said: Quote: 38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball. LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate. Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.

There were 4 drops last week out of his 9 incompletions. So again, your way off statement is quite silly. Ill have to rewatch which 2 misses were inaccurate that ended drives. I think your statement about today is absolutely ludicrous. He made some throws on 3rd down that were dropped that were unbelievable.

In comment 13128757 EricJ said:

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In comment 13128728 dep026 said: Quote: 38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball. LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate. Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.

TWO games:

Eli Manning: 51/69, 74% completion percentage, 575 yards, 3 TD's, 1 INT, Quarterback Ratings of 110.3 and 104.1 respectively.

The offense will be fine. Sometimes it's just bad luck and these are things that can be corrected. I feel that we got a bad call a couple of times ( Eli fumble, No call on Cruz mugging). I believe the coach should of kicked a field goal instead of going for it. We have to remember it is a rookie coach and he is learning about his team as well as the players. We should have given the ball to Jennings three straight times. With him on the sidelines they new what we were going to do. Shepard is awesome and Cruz is back. Correct me if I'm wrong but Odel started a little slow as far as touchdowns last year too. We still haven't played a real strong team yet and won't get away with these errors with one. A little surprised that we haven't got any turnovers which worry me a little. Awesome to be 2 and 0!!!

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With an amazing pass today just to have someone drop it. Cruz, Beckham, anyone else? I think he's accurate enough. :-)

I was pumped after the win and then I read some of this thread. Winning in the NFL is really hard. Good teams win games even when they don't play well. Bring on the Redskins!

In comment 13128682 EricJ said:

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without the benefit of all of the camera angles and replays. However, this is what I saw.... Agree with the comments about the defense and the general comments on the offense. This is what I saw... 1. We are unable to consistently move the chains. We get a long pass every couple of drives but then stall. 2. The offensive line continues to be a problem. No consistency in the run game and too many penalties. 3. Eli has not been accurate during the first two games. There are too many passes that he is so far off of the mark that the receiver cannot get two hands on the ball. This has stalled drives too. 4. Play calling needs to be improved as well. For me it is also play design. I am as happy as the rest of you that we are 2-0. That is huge and gives us a big head start in the division. That being said, we will not compete against the better teams in the league with the way this offense is playing right now. We have played two teams that are weak on defense and we have two total offensive TDs against them. Now... lets bury the Redskins next week. They are 0-2 and will be fighting for their lives.

Eli has been very accurate. Not a good point by you at all.

don't forget Donnell's big drop

Who'd thunk a low scoring game..only 1 offensive td between the two.

What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here.

Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all.

Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder.

In comment 13128861 micky said:

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Who'd thunk a low scoring game..only 1 offensive td between the two. What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here. Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all. Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder.

PJ Williams was ok - concussion, but was moving and breathing ok. He was up for x-rays or CT scan of the neck, but it was believed he would make it home on the team plane. Was momentarily knocked out.

...passing when we should be running and vice versa

backward ?

In comment 13128868 section125 said:

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In comment 13128861 micky said: Quote: Who'd thunk a low scoring game..only 1 offensive td between the two. What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here. Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all. Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder. PJ Williams was ok - concussion, but was moving and breathing ok. He was up for x-rays or CT scan of the neck, but it was believed he would make it home on the team plane. Was momentarily knocked out.

Wow..thats great news..thanks section for update..it really looked bad..everyone jumped up waving their arms for some help right immediately after play..great news

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Manning was extremely sharp, threading the needle

Was as good as I have ever seen him today. There should be no criticism at all about his play.

But on a long 3rd down completion to Shepard and slightly better throw where he leads him and it's a touchdown

The only criticism (not even a criticism really) I have of Coach McAdoo is how sticks with Donnell and Tye even when they're not playing well. I'd like to see what Jerell Adams can do. He's probably a better blocker than both (though that's not saying much) and he's very underrated in the passing game. He's probably faster than both, just as big as Donnell (and bigger than Tye) and while his hands may not be as good as either of them, it's not a huge drop-off.

In comment 13128964 AP in Halfmoon said:

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Manning was extremely sharp, threading the needle

He's been amazing so far. The only questionable throw I've seen him make was the Brandon Carr INT and that may not have even been his fault.

It's the mental part that affected his stock.

he probably had the worst game of his life today and caught 8 for 84.

The offense left points on the board but this defense is the real deal. Giants should cruise through the division.

The run game the O-line thats a area to be concerned with .
Even the the runs that gained yardage was more so on
the elusive gritty runs by Vereen .
Newhouse is not great that we know but he is our starter .
we are seriously thin there .

Eli was on the money today. Without the fumbles today, this game would have been a walk.

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would lose and drive Giants fans crazy in the process. If only we hadn't had three fumbles, a dropped TD pass, a missed field goal, and untimely penalties, we might have won the damn game. But wait. We did win the damn game.

In comment 13129033 Britt in VA said:

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It's the mental part that affected his stock.

So it's been said, but IDK, I'd like to hear it from Big Ben himself. Maybe it's not just the mental aspect? IDK

IMO, it would take some really lousy play to be worse then Donnell. We did see the first Donnell falling on his head today. I am certain there will be more to come.

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Looking at my notes, seven of Eli Manning's nine incompletions were dropped/could have been caught.

I agree it's a position that needs to be upgraded but he gets too much criticism here, IMO.

In comment 13129323 Anakim said:

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Dan DugganVerified account ‏@DDuggan21 Looking at my notes, seven of Eli Manning's nine incompletions were dropped/could have been caught.

He was very inaccurate though.

In comment 13129325 AP in Halfmoon said:

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I agree it's a position that needs to be upgraded but he gets too much criticism here, IMO.

What does he do well that doesnt deserve criticism?

except when he drops them.

In comment 13128292 dairborn said:

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I was pretty pissed at him but coming up huge on a much harder catch then beckum had on that 3rd and 8.....that was a money play and key

Beckum hasn't been on the team in years.

In comment 13129314 Marty866b said:

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IMO, it would take some really lousy play to be worse then Donnell. We did see the first Donnell falling on his head today. I am certain there will be more to come.

And one catch after the patented bobble. Probably more of those to come, too. Just hope they don't lead to turnovers.

but quarters 2 through 4 Eli looked incredible. The throw on the run to his left like 30 yards down the field to Cruz? Perfectly placed. The penultimate throw of the game to Beckham? Perfectly placed. Both were huge gains that probably should have been caught.

He moved well in the pocket (for Eli) and took two sacks instead of forcing it. I can't believe anyone is criticizing him based on what I saw and the stat line. What other pocket-passing QB would have done better than Eli today?

In comment 13128503 area junc said:

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We run right, or up the middle almost exclusively with the same handful of plays. Very rarely do we run behind Flowers at the POA. The passing game is dink and dunk. just can't get fully behind the WCO and this is not a good version of it IMO

Teams are not going to let OBJ break the game. They're just not. And as solid as Jennings is, he's not scaring anyone.

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Just silly