3 fumbles is what made it come down to the last minute. Should have won going away. Running game terrible today. But, in the end won. Gotta pick it up, against better opponent's.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Odell and Vernon are our two best players
If Rueben Randle dropped 2 TDs like OBJ did this week and put up some yards...everyone on BBI would say he was atrocious. We have to be consistent here. He had 2 chances to score.... dropped both.
fair point.
Does this team need a running back who can get around the corner?
Seems like ever since Larry Csonka and Mercury Morris that it's been the rule that a team should have at least one threat to turn the corner, else the other team's defensive front can just concentrate itself more in the center and the defensive backs have easier run support responsibilities.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Odell and Vernon are our two best players
NOnteam has been a pain for us for years. We beat them. Plus I think the offense was not fully engaged. By that I mean they looked at the NO defensive backs and thought this was going to be a easy game for us. Plus I think they kinda was looking at the skins game a little too much. But w all that we dominated this game. If it wasn't for all the dumb mistakes, it's not close. Let's cekebrate this and get ready for the skins!!!
exactly. We should expect more from OBJ for how great he is.
Not my meaning.
Treating OBJ the same as Randle is beyond foolish. The same standard doesn't apply to everyone. Much should be expected from Beckham, but nitpicking when he doesn't make every play is too petty for my taste. You know at the end of the year he's going to give to 10 TDs and 1200+ yards.
exactly. We should expect more from OBJ for how great he is.
Not my meaning.
Treating OBJ the same as Randle is beyond foolish. The same standard doesn't apply to everyone. Much should be expected from Beckham, but nitpicking when he doesn't make every play is too petty for my taste. You know at the end of the year he's going to give to 10 TDs and 1200+ yards.
But he is good enough to do better than that. Instead of 1200/10..... maybe t should be 1500/15. We should expect more from our best.
But I think it was criminal to not use Jennig in the goal line the two times you were there with a full three downs. It made no sense, to go with those shotgun draws with your smallest RB. How do you not put in your power back and just pound to in. They didn't even try. Hopefully
McAdoo learns how to better use his RBs in this situation, 100% of the time you Give it to your bruiser on the goal line if your running it.
without the benefit of all of the camera angles and replays. However, this is what I saw....
Agree with the comments about the defense and the general comments on the offense. This is what I saw...
1. We are unable to consistently move the chains. We get a long pass every couple of drives but then stall.
2. The offensive line continues to be a problem. No consistency in the run game and too many penalties.
3. Eli has not been accurate during the first two games. There are too many passes that he is so far off of the mark that the receiver cannot get two hands on the ball. This has stalled drives too.
4. Play calling needs to be improved as well. For me it is also play design.
I am as happy as the rest of you that we are 2-0. That is huge and gives us a big head start in the division. That being said, we will not compete against the better teams in the league with the way this offense is playing right now. We have played two teams that are weak on defense and we have two total offensive TDs against them.
Now... lets bury the Redskins next week. They are 0-2 and will be fighting for their lives.
But that's 2 weeks in a row against supposed weak defenses that our offense has looked terrible. Again happy for the win, but I am still concerned.
And I am so, SO sick of the shotgun draw... lol
They were atrocious today, with the mistakes made, but the offense really didn't look terrible in week one -- they had a down third quarter, but they mostly just had limited opportunities due to Dallas dominating the clock.
on Eli's accuracy today. I'm a bit tough on Eli but the receivers had more to do with the incompletes than Eli. To me, aside from the sideline pass in the 3rd qtr to VC which seemed high and wide, he had a very accurate day. Aside from Shepard (8 of 8) they all dropped passes - some the DBs got lucky no PI was called.
3. Eli has not been accurate during the first two games. There are too many passes that he is so far off of the mark that the receiver cannot get two hands on the ball. This has stalled drives too.
Eli had 9 incompletions out of 41 attempts today, with four drops and a throw away (per FO). There wasn't a lot of twisting and contorting out there either on the completions, outside of Cruz's one at the end (which was a typical QB throwing the ball up for his WR to make a play deal).
If you're looking for appreciably greater accuracy, at least on the plays they're running and types of throws being attempted, I'm not sure there's a QB in existence for you.
interesting what he can do when he has some players. Defense is playing with conviction, tackling has been good, players in position, very few blown assignments.
Saints defense was overmatched and it played hard and well. Too bad Rob Ryan isn't still the coordinator.
% has to do with the system we run vs the accuracy of the QB so to speak. Just look at Dak P. and the cowboys and what they are trying to do. What was he 22/30 today? Does that mean he is accurate? fuck no, it's the way they run their scheme to limit the burden on him as a rookie.
38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball.
LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.
Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.
38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball.
LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.
Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.
There were 4 drops last week out of his 9 incompletions. So again, your way off statement is quite silly. Ill have to rewatch which 2 misses were inaccurate that ended drives. I think your statement about today is absolutely ludicrous. He made some throws on 3rd down that were dropped that were unbelievable.
38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball.
LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.
Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.
TWO games:
Eli Manning: 51/69, 74% completion percentage, 575 yards, 3 TD's, 1 INT, Quarterback Ratings of 110.3 and 104.1 respectively.
The offense will be fine. Sometimes it's just bad luck and these are things that can be corrected. I feel that we got a bad call a couple of times ( Eli fumble, No call on Cruz mugging). I believe the coach should of kicked a field goal instead of going for it. We have to remember it is a rookie coach and he is learning about his team as well as the players. We should have given the ball to Jennings three straight times. With him on the sidelines they new what we were going to do. Shepard is awesome and Cruz is back. Correct me if I'm wrong but Odel started a little slow as far as touchdowns last year too. We still haven't played a real strong team yet and won't get away with these errors with one. A little surprised that we haven't got any turnovers which worry me a little. Awesome to be 2 and 0!!!
I was pumped after the win and then I read some of this thread. Winning in the NFL is really hard. Good teams win games even when they don't play well. Bring on the Redskins!
without the benefit of all of the camera angles and replays. However, this is what I saw....
Agree with the comments about the defense and the general comments on the offense. This is what I saw...
1. We are unable to consistently move the chains. We get a long pass every couple of drives but then stall.
2. The offensive line continues to be a problem. No consistency in the run game and too many penalties.
3. Eli has not been accurate during the first two games. There are too many passes that he is so far off of the mark that the receiver cannot get two hands on the ball. This has stalled drives too.
4. Play calling needs to be improved as well. For me it is also play design.
I am as happy as the rest of you that we are 2-0. That is huge and gives us a big head start in the division. That being said, we will not compete against the better teams in the league with the way this offense is playing right now. We have played two teams that are weak on defense and we have two total offensive TDs against them.
Now... lets bury the Redskins next week. They are 0-2 and will be fighting for their lives.
Eli has been very accurate. Not a good point by you at all.
Who'd thunk a low scoring game..only 1 offensive td between the two.
What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here.
Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all.
Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder.
Who'd thunk a low scoring game..only 1 offensive td between the two.
What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here.
Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all.
Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder.
PJ Williams was ok - concussion, but was moving and breathing ok. He was up for x-rays or CT scan of the neck, but it was believed he would make it home on the team plane. Was momentarily knocked out.
Who'd thunk a low scoring game..only 1 offensive td between the two.
What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here.
Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all.
Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder.
PJ Williams was ok - concussion, but was moving and breathing ok. He was up for x-rays or CT scan of the neck, but it was believed he would make it home on the team plane. Was momentarily knocked out.
Wow..thats great news..thanks section for update..it really looked bad..everyone jumped up waving their arms for some help right immediately after play..great news
The only criticism (not even a criticism really) I have of Coach McAdoo is how sticks with Donnell and Tye even when they're not playing well. I'd like to see what Jerell Adams can do. He's probably a better blocker than both (though that's not saying much) and he's very underrated in the passing game. He's probably faster than both, just as big as Donnell (and bigger than Tye) and while his hands may not be as good as either of them, it's not a huge drop-off.
The run game the O-line thats a area to be concerned with .
Even the the runs that gained yardage was more so on
the elusive gritty runs by Vereen .
Newhouse is not great that we know but he is our starter .
we are seriously thin there .
You're right rally looking for things to complain about
If Rueben Randle dropped 2 TDs like OBJ did this week and put up some yards...everyone on BBI would say he was atrocious. We have to be consistent here. He had 2 chances to score.... dropped both.
fair point.
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(Besides Eli). Both played mediocre games, especially Vernon who was invisible. Yet we won and it should've been a comfortable win.
We have depth, we have an actual team this year.
Odell had 8 catches for over 80 yds
Invisible?
Did you actually watch the game?
Becham had a horrific game today. I dont even know how that can be questioned.
Horrific?
Maybe you need to learn the definition of the word?
Great....no
He was ok.....
If Rueben Randle dropped 2 TDs like OBJ did this week and put up some yards...everyone on BBI would say he was atrocious.
The lowest common denominator shouldn't be the standard you're aiming for.
Not my meaning.
Treating OBJ the same as Randle is beyond foolish. The same standard doesn't apply to everyone. Much should be expected from Beckham, but nitpicking when he doesn't make every play is too petty for my taste. You know at the end of the year he's going to give to 10 TDs and 1200+ yards.
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exactly. We should expect more from OBJ for how great he is.
Not my meaning.
Treating OBJ the same as Randle is beyond foolish. The same standard doesn't apply to everyone. Much should be expected from Beckham, but nitpicking when he doesn't make every play is too petty for my taste. You know at the end of the year he's going to give to 10 TDs and 1200+ yards.
But he is good enough to do better than that. Instead of 1200/10..... maybe t should be 1500/15. We should expect more from our best.
McAdoo learns how to better use his RBs in this situation, 100% of the time you Give it to your bruiser on the goal line if your running it.
It's never a crime to not use Jennings.
And I am so, SO sick of the shotgun draw... lol
Banks called it on radio.
Agree with the comments about the defense and the general comments on the offense. This is what I saw...
1. We are unable to consistently move the chains. We get a long pass every couple of drives but then stall.
2. The offensive line continues to be a problem. No consistency in the run game and too many penalties.
3. Eli has not been accurate during the first two games. There are too many passes that he is so far off of the mark that the receiver cannot get two hands on the ball. This has stalled drives too.
4. Play calling needs to be improved as well. For me it is also play design.
I am as happy as the rest of you that we are 2-0. That is huge and gives us a big head start in the division. That being said, we will not compete against the better teams in the league with the way this offense is playing right now. We have played two teams that are weak on defense and we have two total offensive TDs against them.
Now... lets bury the Redskins next week. They are 0-2 and will be fighting for their lives.
And I am so, SO sick of the shotgun draw... lol
They were atrocious today, with the mistakes made, but the offense really didn't look terrible in week one -- they had a down third quarter, but they mostly just had limited opportunities due to Dallas dominating the clock.
How was halftime? Did they have players from the '86 team?
Eli had 9 incompletions out of 41 attempts today, with four drops and a throw away (per FO). There wasn't a lot of twisting and contorting out there either on the completions, outside of Cruz's one at the end (which was a typical QB throwing the ball up for his WR to make a play deal).
If you're looking for appreciably greater accuracy, at least on the plays they're running and types of throws being attempted, I'm not sure there's a QB in existence for you.
Saints defense was overmatched and it played hard and well. Too bad Rob Ryan isn't still the coordinator.
OBJ had a horrible game? He had 8 catches for 86 yards and drew two pass interference penalties deep.
Eli inaccurate today? Didn't he complete 78% of his passes today?
LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.
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How was halftime? Did they have players from the '86 team?
Carson, Banks, Martin, and Bavaro. I think LT was watching from Tootsie's in Miami.
LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.
Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.
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38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball.
LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.
Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.
There were 4 drops last week out of his 9 incompletions. So again, your way off statement is quite silly. Ill have to rewatch which 2 misses were inaccurate that ended drives. I think your statement about today is absolutely ludicrous. He made some throws on 3rd down that were dropped that were unbelievable.
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38 of them, the receivers had two hands on the ball.
LOL. WOW. Those 3 incompletions must have been really inaccurate.
Yes his accuracy improved today vs the prior week. My original comment above is about the first TWO games. He did have 2 drive killing misses today. Much better than last week where he was way off. Please do not mis-interpret what I am saying. The offensive struggles are NOT Eli's fault. Just that at times he does this and when the offensive line is a huge problem, we need Eli to be flawless.
TWO games:
Eli Manning: 51/69, 74% completion percentage, 575 yards, 3 TD's, 1 INT, Quarterback Ratings of 110.3 and 104.1 respectively.
Agree with the comments about the defense and the general comments on the offense. This is what I saw...
1. We are unable to consistently move the chains. We get a long pass every couple of drives but then stall.
2. The offensive line continues to be a problem. No consistency in the run game and too many penalties.
3. Eli has not been accurate during the first two games. There are too many passes that he is so far off of the mark that the receiver cannot get two hands on the ball. This has stalled drives too.
4. Play calling needs to be improved as well. For me it is also play design.
I am as happy as the rest of you that we are 2-0. That is huge and gives us a big head start in the division. That being said, we will not compete against the better teams in the league with the way this offense is playing right now. We have played two teams that are weak on defense and we have two total offensive TDs against them.
Now... lets bury the Redskins next week. They are 0-2 and will be fighting for their lives.
Eli has been very accurate. Not a good point by you at all.
What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here.
Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all.
Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder.
What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here.
Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all.
Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder.
PJ Williams was ok - concussion, but was moving and breathing ok. He was up for x-rays or CT scan of the neck, but it was believed he would make it home on the team plane. Was momentarily knocked out.
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Who'd thunk a low scoring game..only 1 offensive td between the two.
What a difference the defense is..being there and seeing it live. They hit their run fits..around the ball..good technique..hit...aggressive. everything we havent seen in a few years here.
Any word/update on the injured saint player..scary as he did not move at all.
Cruz..still battling..im happy for him..seems to have a chip on shoulder.
PJ Williams was ok - concussion, but was moving and breathing ok. He was up for x-rays or CT scan of the neck, but it was believed he would make it home on the team plane. Was momentarily knocked out.
Wow..thats great news..thanks section for update..it really looked bad..everyone jumped up waving their arms for some help right immediately after play..great news
He's been amazing so far. The only questionable throw I've seen him make was the Brandon Carr INT and that may not have even been his fault.
Even the the runs that gained yardage was more so on
the elusive gritty runs by Vereen .
Newhouse is not great that we know but he is our starter .
we are seriously thin there .