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Bobby Hart and Will Beatty To Compete At RT

gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2016 1:19 pm
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Art Stapleton & #8207;@art_stapleton 1m1 minute ago

McAdoo says Newhouse will be evaluated this week. Won't practice, no details other than Bobby Hart + Will Beatty will compete at RT. #Giants
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2016 1:21 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 2m2 minutes ago

Safety Mykkele Thompson (knee) will be out for "a few weeks," McAdoo said.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/19/2016 1:21 pm : link
New York Giants ‏@Giants 6m6 minutes ago

Coach McAdoo said RB Rashad Jennings (hand) will be limited in practice to start the week.
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Anakim : 9/19/2016 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13130511 Eric from BBI said:
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New York Giants ‏@Giants 2m2 minutes ago

Safety Mykkele Thompson (knee) will be out for "a few weeks," McAdoo said.


I wonder if the Giants look at Shiloh Keo
I'd love us to pick up another OL. We are so thin there.  
yatqb : 9/19/2016 1:26 pm : link
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The good thing  
ryanmkeane : 9/19/2016 1:26 pm : link
is that Newhouse is probably the OL we can most afford to lose. Let's hope Hart/Beatty can at least provide competent play there for the time being.
I am hoping WIll Beatty pulls a Cruz  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/19/2016 1:30 pm : link
on the Giants
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Beer Man : 9/19/2016 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13130511 Eric from BBI said:
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New York Giants ‏@Giants 2m2 minutes ago

Safety Mykkele Thompson (knee) will be out for "a few weeks," McAdoo said.
Mykkele Thompson, is looking like another in a long line of injury prone players (:<
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Go Terps : 9/19/2016 1:46 pm : link
It's been a fun start, but the OL looks like it could be a problem against decent fronts.
It would be nice if the light bulb went on for Hart, but he seemed to  
Victor in CT : 9/19/2016 1:51 pm : link
struggle in preseason. Hopefully it was because of the switch to the left side.
Well, they made it through camp in great shape, but  
speedywheels : 9/19/2016 1:52 pm : link
looks like the injury bug is starting to take hold. I know guys always get dinged and no team stays 100% healthy, but...
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section125 : 9/19/2016 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13130580 Go Terps said:
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It's been a fun start, but the OL looks like it could be a problem against decent fronts.


You expected something different? It is a limited line right now. Hopefully Flowers improves and Beatty can win the RT job (or Hart) and push Newhouse to the bench.
Hart and Beatty  
Jay on the Island : 9/19/2016 1:59 pm : link
will compete at RT with Anthony Davis?
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santacruzom : 9/19/2016 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13130515 Eric from BBI said:
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New York Giants ‏@Giants 6m6 minutes ago

Coach McAdoo said RB Rashad Jennings (hand) will be limited in practice to start the week.


I'm sure Jennings will be limited, but what does that have to do with his hand? Zing!!
Hart seems like the backup to multiple positions  
robbieballs2003 : 9/19/2016 2:18 pm : link
So that might work against him. If Hart starts at RT and someone else goes down then Beatty would move to tackle and Hart most likely would go to either guard position. That is a lot of shuffling. If Beatty is the RT then Hart would be the backup at LG, RG, and RT. Obviously, they will go with the player that gives them the best chance to win but with everything being equal I think Beatty gets the nod.
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Go Terps : 9/19/2016 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13130597 section125 said:
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In comment 13130580 Go Terps said:


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It's been a fun start, but the OL looks like it could be a problem against decent fronts.



You expected something different? It is a limited line right now. Hopefully Flowers improves and Beatty can win the RT job (or Hart) and push Newhouse to the bench.


I wouldn't expect Beatty or Hart to be appreciably better than Newhouse.
Hopefully Newhouse is  
TommyWiseau : 9/19/2016 2:20 pm : link
back soon, we need all the depth we can get. As for Hart and Beatty, may the best man win.
What gets me  
blueblood'11 : 9/19/2016 2:33 pm : link
While I love what the Giants did in the offseason to retool the defense, with all the weapons they have on offense, why wouldn't the Giants at the very least try and bolster this unit. They are scary. They can't run block for shit and yesterday against a not so great defensive line they got some pressure on Eli.
RE: Hopefully Newhouse is  
SoDev : 9/19/2016 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13130659 TommyWiseau said:
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back soon, we need all the depth we can get. As for Hart and Beatty, may the best man win.


This.
RE: The good thing  
Simms11 : 9/19/2016 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13130537 ryanmkeane said:
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is that Newhouse is probably the OL we can most afford to lose. Let's hope Hart/Beatty can at least provide competent play there for the time being.


Watch what you ask for?! Hart is probably no better then Newhouse and Beatty hasn't played RT in quite a few years!
RE: What gets me  
AnnapolisMike : 9/19/2016 2:40 pm : link
In comment 13130685 blueblood'11 said:
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While I love what the Giants did in the offseason to retool the defense, with all the weapons they have on offense, why wouldn't the Giants at the very least try and bolster this unit. They are scary. They can't run block for shit and yesterday against a not so great defensive line they got some pressure on Eli.


I think they did try....who was really available to sign that would have been a huge upgrade?
How did Hart play last Sunday?  
nygirlie : 9/19/2016 2:46 pm : link
He had about 15 offensive snaps.
I guess if he was better than Newhouse he would have been starting.
Newhouse actually is as mediocre  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2016 2:58 pm : link
as BBI exaggerates Beatty to be.
RE: I am hoping WIll Beatty pulls a Cruz  
Blackbeard : 9/19/2016 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13130545 gidiefor said:
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on the Giants


You think we really need another top-notch WR?
RE: Hart and Beatty  
Bleedin Blue : 9/19/2016 3:17 pm : link
In comment 13130614 Jay on the Island said:
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will compete at RT with Anthony Davis?


Ooooooh! I said that on the game thread and got CUSSED OUT!!!
Lol!

I say we use our Saints #1 pick from the Shockey trade to draft another tackle this draft! LOL!!
RE: How did Hart play last Sunday?  
section125 : 9/19/2016 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13130724 nygirlie said:
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He had about 15 offensive snaps.
I guess if he was better than Newhouse he would have been starting.


Well Cameron Jordan didn't get near Eli in those dozen or so plays...Not enough body of work to say. Have to wait for PFF to tell us.
RE: How did Hart play last Sunday?  
Jay on the Island : 9/19/2016 3:35 pm : link
In comment 13130724 nygirlie said:
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He had about 15 offensive snaps.
I guess if he was better than Newhouse he would have been starting.

I am going to rewatch the game tonight and focus on Hart in the 4th quarter.
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section125 : 9/19/2016 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13130657 Go Terps said:
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In comment 13130597 section125 said:


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In comment 13130580 Go Terps said:


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It's been a fun start, but the OL looks like it could be a problem against decent fronts.



You expected something different? It is a limited line right now. Hopefully Flowers improves and Beatty can win the RT job (or Hart) and push Newhouse to the bench.



I wouldn't expect Beatty or Hart to be appreciably better than Newhouse.


It doesn't have to be much better, just better. At least we'll see if Hart is worth spending time on.
Beatty is an upgrade  
JohnVB : 9/19/2016 3:39 pm : link
He was a good player prior to the pec injury.

I think once he's ready to go the line will take a big step forward.
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christian : 9/19/2016 3:40 pm : link
Beatty will need to get in game shape, but having played in the system, knowing play book and being healthy gives him a chance to be an equal level replacement for Newhouse in short order.

Coming to terms with him was a very, very smart move.
There's no OT out there to be had  
JonC : 9/19/2016 3:49 pm : link
Start praying Beatty feels like playing.
I thought it was highly unlikely  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2016 4:03 pm : link
that Cruz and JPP would ever come back and make a positive impact, but they have. Maybe Beatty will add his name to that list?
RE: How did Hart play last Sunday?  
cnewk : 9/19/2016 4:44 pm : link
In comment 13130724 nygirlie said:
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He had about 15 offensive snaps.
I guess if he was better than Newhouse he would have been starting.


Hart was very effective for the little bit he was in the game (especially in pass protection). It is a very small sample size, but it's better than if he was getting beat.
I think this is a blessing in disguise  
PatersonPlank : 9/19/2016 5:51 pm : link
Given a few games with Beatty and our OL will be stronger than ever. Same for Hart if he wins. Newhouse was getting beat on Sunday.
I would think  
old man : 9/19/2016 5:52 pm : link
with the right side work he had, and, WB I believe refusing to try right side play at cut time, advantage: Hart.
And I know They are hardass on EF being a LT, but a roadgrader on the right side would be helpful since its the natural hand side of our RBs, IMO.I think the versatility would help EFs confidence as well, in addition to doing what he loves, smashmouthing.
This is not a case of addition by subtraction  
Modus Operandi : 9/19/2016 6:28 pm : link
There's a reason Newhouse - as underwhelming as he's been - was chosen to be the starter at RT. Not the late round pick, and not the guy who was filling out job applications when teams were running minicamps.

Neither guy is the answer. Let's just hope they do minimal damage.
RE: Beatty is an upgrade  
ZGiants98 : 9/19/2016 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13130856 JohnVB said:
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He was a good player prior to the pec injury.

I think once he's ready to go the line will take a big step forward.


+1
Hart was drafted to be a Guard...  
BMac : 9/19/2016 9:07 pm : link
...Jerry reese said:

We project him as a guard up here for us, Reese said. He has played a lot of football. I think hes only 20 years old. I dont want to say really long arms, but his arms are 33 inches. He has good arm length. Hes played a lot of ball at a high level of competition for Florida State. I see guys like that with his skill set. We see them every Sunday playing in the National Football League. But we do think hes a guard and not a tackle.

I can't find the exact quote from Reese, but he indicated that Hart didn't have "nifty feet." Expecting him to produce at Tackle is pretty far-fetched, although not impossible.
RE: Beatty is an upgrade  
Enoch : 9/19/2016 9:12 pm : link
In comment 13130856 JohnVB said:
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He was a good player prior to the pec injury.

I think once he's ready to go the line will take a big step forward.

It's not the pec that should worry us-- it's the shoulder. It's a tricky joint to operate on. None of us know how his long-term strength, stability, and range of motion might have been affected.
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DonQuixote : 9/20/2016 7:47 am : link
In comment 13130511 Eric from BBI said:
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New York Giants ‏@Giants 2m2 minutes ago

Safety Mykkele Thompson (knee) will be out for "a few weeks," McAdoo said.


That's a bummer. Seems like one thing after another ...
RE: Hart was drafted to be a Guard...  
section125 : 9/20/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 13131474 BMac said:
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...Jerry reese said:

We project him as a guard up here for us, Reese said. He has played a lot of football. I think hes only 20 years old. I dont want to say really long arms, but his arms are 33 inches. He has good arm length. Hes played a lot of ball at a high level of competition for Florida State. I see guys like that with his skill set. We see them every Sunday playing in the National Football League. But we do think hes a guard and not a tackle.

I can't find the exact quote from Reese, but he indicated that Hart didn't have "nifty feet." Expecting him to produce at Tackle is pretty far-fetched, although not impossible.


It is funny that he seems to be much quicker than Newhouse, yet he didn't have nifty feet. I did notice that he seems tiny standing next to Jerry. Newhouse looks about the same size as Jerry. I know he lost weight to get quicker in the off season, I think he said he is 325, but looks a lot smaller than that.
RE: Hart was drafted to be a Guard...  
Beer Man : 9/20/2016 8:47 am : link
In comment 13131474 BMac said:
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...Jerry reese said:

We project him as a guard up here for us, Reese said. He has played a lot of football. I think hes only 20 years old. I dont want to say really long arms, but his arms are 33 inches. He has good arm length. Hes played a lot of ball at a high level of competition for Florida State. I see guys like that with his skill set. We see them every Sunday playing in the National Football League. But we do think hes a guard and not a tackle.

I can't find the exact quote from Reese, but he indicated that Hart didn't have "nifty feet." Expecting him to produce at Tackle is pretty far-fetched, although not impossible.
His draft profile supports that as well:
STRENGTHS Bubble butt with power in his lower half. Improved from being a neutralizer to run-block winner in 2014. Can reestablish line of scrimmage when asked to maul. Wins in short yardage and near goal line. Gets hand on defender first and can latch on in pass protection. Turned 20 years old in August and body is still developing.

WEAKNESSES Stiff knees and hips limit his bend and leverage. Comes out of his stance too high. Shuffles feet rather than chops in pass pro, causing his base to narrow. Struggles to make his back-side cutoff blocks. Frenetic hands with too much wasted motion. Limited, small-area, guard-only prospect. Lethargic feet after contact.

DRAFT PROJECTION Round 6

BOTTOM LINE Young, soft-bodied prospect who is best suited to play guard in the NFL. Tape doesn't always treat Hart kindly, but his issues in pass protection as a tackle won't be same issues he faces in the NFL as a guard. While he has physical limitations, Hart is a competitive player who flashes NFL power potential.
Nothing wrong with projecting him at guard  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/21/2016 11:53 am : link
and then training him to play RT. It is not a work of rocket science to take a kid who played RT in college and play him at RT in the pros.

RT is not the same kind of leap as LT.
'This is not a case of addition by subtraction'...  
Torrag : 9/21/2016 11:56 am : link
...Yeah it is. Newhouse is a lousy football player. The only reason Beatty isn't starting yet is the time it takes to be at 'full go'.
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