Started off talking about The Jay Fund, and their upcoming fundraiser
On gameday - he's in the "command room" with Dean Blandino, etc. Felt like it's been a good way to transition from coaching life, after being involved in the NFL so long.
Command Room reminds him of the draft - he watches all the 1PM game, and gets alerted to a scoring play, penalty, etc. Keeps him very active
Opening day was difficult for him. Only missed 1 year of football since 1968.
Trying to find a way to give back to the game that's been so great for him and his family.
Asked about Eli being down on the fumble - he heard that Perreria mentioned that Coughlin would be in the command room watching carefully. He said week 1 he paid more attention to the Giants than the other games, but this week he watched everything.
He said Quinn did a great job with Special Teams, has a "great interest" in the Giants as he "brought in" Spags, McAdoo, etc.
Asked about Cruz, how it feels to see him back - Coughlin was proud of how Cruz bounced back in the 4Q to make that huge contribution. Noted that Eli put the ball "on the money" to OBJ as well. Happy for Victor and his family.
Coughlin - it's "crossed my mind" once or twice about how the Giants have spent $200M on players AFTER he left - was said in a joking way
Here's the problem with this "spent $200m" narrative
It ignores the fact that this money didn't simply materialize out of thin air. Reese didn't find $200m on a park bench out in Dorney Park. The salary cap didn't miraculously grow by that amount and it isn't like we were cheap during the Coughlin years.
That money was spent on players. Players that Coughlin had input in drafting and signing.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
It ignores the fact that this money didn't simply materialize out of thin air. Reese didn't find $200m on a park bench out in Dorney Park. The salary cap didn't miraculously grow by that amount and it isn't like we were cheap during the Coughlin years.
That money was spent on players. Players that Coughlin had input in drafting and signing.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
In fairness to Coughlin, Kay staged the question. He said 'do you ever sit around and think that the 200 million...'. He didn't exactly bring up the topic on his own, and was clearly uncomfortable with the question.
It ignores the fact that this money didn't simply materialize out of thin air. Reese didn't find $200m on a park bench out in Dorney Park. The salary cap didn't miraculously grow by that amount and it isn't like we were cheap during the Coughlin years.
That money was spent on players. Players that Coughlin had input in drafting and signing.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
It's been reported that Coughlin was furious over the offseason spending spree.
"It's been reported" by who? Other than one comment and this interview, I've never heard it mentioned from Coughlin.
When you get into "It's been reported" territory, you get into the same silly reports that had Randy Moss fighting Tom Brady over a haircut. Unless there's a source, there's no way of knowing the veracity.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
It isn't about disliking Coughlin. It's about recognizing that the he was as responsible (if not more) for the team's floundering the last several seasons as anyone else.
The front office not supporting him via FA acquisitions stuff is disingenuous.
Does anyone not believe it's easier to coach this year's team - which has more talent, particularly defensively.
What's the problem? The Giants definitely have more talent. I, for one, am always in favor of that. We have talent in many areas, with the obvious exception of our OTs.
I loved Coughlin and didn't really think he was our problem but once the change was made I was excited about McAdoo taking over and have been excited about McAdoo ever since.
But there seem to be more posters intent on defending Coughlin from any and all criticism than there are unabashed critics.
He is gone so why the need to criticize at this point? The way I view it is that the man lead the team to two Super Bowl wins and was as loyal a diehard Giant as anyone ever involved with the team and he now is a now part of great NY Giant history. What purpose does taking shots at him even serve?
This thread is a perfect example. Someone starts a thread recapping what he said in in interview for those that might be interested and didn't hear it or have access. Why even bother commenting in a negative fashion? What purpose does that serve?
RE: RE: I don't consider myself anti-Coughlin at all
But there seem to be more posters intent on defending Coughlin from any and all criticism than there are unabashed critics.
He is gone so why the need to criticize at this point? The way I view it is that the man lead the team to two Super Bowl wins and was as loyal a diehard Giant as anyone ever involved with the team and he now is a now part of great NY Giant history. What purpose does taking shots at him even serve?
This thread is a perfect example. Someone starts a thread recapping what he said in in interview for those that might be interested and didn't hear it or have access. Why even bother commenting in a negative fashion? What purpose does that serve?
No criticism from me, but there was a coaching change. Those things happen for a reason. It isn't shocking to me that some might say "I like how New Coach does XYZ. I thought old coach sucked at XYZ."
It's an Internet message board. The old "if you don't have anything nice to say, why say anything at all?" doesn't really apply.
That is a poor description and one I wouldn't use.
However as I mentioned before someone starts a thread recapping what he said in in interview for those that might be interested and didn't hear it or have access. Why even bother commenting in a negative fashion? What purpose does that serve?
This is the quote that started it all:
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Coughlin - it's "crossed my mind" once or twice about how the Giants have spent $200M on players AFTER he left - was said in a joking way
But even after it was described as said in a joking way it's posted that that was bogus and implied much of the salary situation was in realty his fault.
Then when it was pointed out that:
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In fairness to Coughlin, Kay staged the question. He said 'do you ever sit around and think that the 200 million...'. He didn't exactly bring up the topic on his own, and was clearly uncomfortable with the question.
That doesn't matter and it must be clarified that:
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"I'm not just referencing this interview. It's been reported that Coughlin was furious over the offseason spending spree."
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"Yeah, Coughlin also said it on the Mike and the Mad Dog reunion and while it was somewhat lighthearted, he meant it."
So sure nobody is actually overtly slamming Coughlin but instead of simply accepting the explanation that he was joking or uncomfortable being asked some certainly felt the need to make the distinction of making him out to be a jerk about it.
With all due respect these comments had nothing to do with supporting McAdoo or even comparing them. They were said just to make the man look bad on a thread about him. At least own up to it and don't deny there is anything negative being said about him by using the semantics game when someone describes it as "slamming"
This is my last post on this thread because I like all the posters involved and really don't want to argue about this nonsense when we should be enjoying our 2-0 start.
instead of lamenting that we let the wrong guy go. One of the top reasons why Coughlin couldn't save himself is due to injuries. Who takes more of the blame on that front? It should be Coughlin, considering the fact that he hires the S&C coach. Most of the angst at Reese points to the shit roster we had last year, yet overlook how the S&C program was overhauled and we are in much better shape on that front.
It ignores the fact that this money didn't simply materialize out of thin air. Reese didn't find $200m on a park bench out in Dorney Park. The salary cap didn't miraculously grow by that amount and it isn't like we were cheap during the Coughlin years.
That money was spent on players. Players that Coughlin had input in drafting and signing.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
He said it in a joking way
He has referenced it a few times in multiple interviews. It's definitely understandable, as I will admit that I would be too, but there's a tinge of bitterness in the repeated references.
Some people look for any opportunity to criticize him even to the point of twisting the facts
What facts were twisted? Even if you think there's speculation in play, there's no "facts" to disprove that speculation either. It seems as though both sides of the Coughlin divide treat their own opinions as fact and the opposing viewpoint as fiction.
Some people look for any opportunity to criticize him even to the point of twisting the facts
good point. Keep making it; anything that drives these people nuts is worth repeating.
Absolutely. Agree 100%. It's like all these idiots have forgotten all those years that the Giants started 2-0 under Coughlin, especially over the past four years when they won so many games and kept going to the playoffs with their franchise QB in his prime. And last year alone, when so many of his strategic decisions were solid and worked out perfectly. I especially liked when he managed to cool off his superstar WR in the midst of a meltdown by being aware of what was happening on the field.
To the crusty curmudgeons who see coughlin and Eli as perfect, frank Gifford as the greatest giant of all time, Tiki as satan and Reese/Ross the incompetent managers who really should accept all blame. There is never any nuance in their positions
To the crusty curmudgeons who see coughlin and Eli as perfect, frank Gifford as the greatest giant of all time, Tiki as satan and Reese/Ross the incompetent managers who really should accept all blame. There is never any nuance in their positions
To the crusty curmudgeons who see coughlin and Eli as perfect, frank Gifford as the greatest giant of all time, Tiki as satan and Reese/Ross the incompetent managers who really should accept all blame. There is never any nuance in their positions
I should have added: these coughlin absolutists feel the only acceptable touchdown dance is a high five a spike, but most preferably, handing the ball to the ref. they also detest people who stand up at home games and when the stadium plays any hip hop music.
Statement #1: The NY Giants spent up to the cap threshold in each of Coughlin's seasons.
Statement #2: As a long-tenured HC privy to scouting reports and who attended each scouting combine, Tom Coughlin had a fair amount of input into the roster construction, allocation of cap resources, and which players saw the field.
While I have not intentions of discussing TC in this thread any longer I will break my word to not post on this thread again just to set the record straight that you couldn't be more wrong about me.
I am one of the biggest Tiki supporters on the site.
I'm not sure that I would agree that Gifford is the greatest Giant of all time.
I don't believe Coughlin and Eli are perfect
And while I think ownership/front office was at least as much to blame for the state of the Giants last season as TC I don't dislike him.
While I have not intentions of discussing TC in this thread any longer I will break my word to not post on this thread again just to set the record straight that you couldn't be more wrong about me.
I am one of the biggest Tiki supporters on the site.
I'm not sure that I would agree that Gifford is the greatest Giant of all time.
I don't believe Coughlin and Eli are perfect
And while I think ownership/front office was at least as much to blame for the state of the Giants last season as TC I don't dislike him.
Steve you are definitely not in the category I described above. You always have been a thoughtful poster
While I have not intentions of discussing TC in this thread any longer I will break my word to not post on this thread again just to set the record straight that you couldn't be more wrong about me.
I am one of the biggest Tiki supporters on the site.
I'm not sure that I would agree that Gifford is the greatest Giant of all time.
I don't believe Coughlin and Eli are perfect
And while I think ownership/front office was at least as much to blame for the state of the Giants last season as TC I don't dislike him.
Steve you are definitely not in the category I described above. You always have been a thoughtful poster
On gameday - he's in the "command room" with Dean Blandino, etc. Felt like it's been a good way to transition from coaching life, after being involved in the NFL so long.
Command Room reminds him of the draft - he watches all the 1PM game, and gets alerted to a scoring play, penalty, etc. Keeps him very active
Opening day was difficult for him. Only missed 1 year of football since 1968.
Trying to find a way to give back to the game that's been so great for him and his family.
Asked about Eli being down on the fumble - he heard that Perreria mentioned that Coughlin would be in the command room watching carefully. He said week 1 he paid more attention to the Giants than the other games, but this week he watched everything.
He said Quinn did a great job with Special Teams, has a "great interest" in the Giants as he "brought in" Spags, McAdoo, etc.
Asked about Cruz, how it feels to see him back - Coughlin was proud of how Cruz bounced back in the 4Q to make that huge contribution. Noted that Eli put the ball "on the money" to OBJ as well. Happy for Victor and his family.
Coughlin - it's "crossed my mind" once or twice about how the Giants have spent $200M on players AFTER he left - was said in a joking way
That money was spent on players. Players that Coughlin had input in drafting and signing.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
That money was spent on players. Players that Coughlin had input in drafting and signing.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
In fairness to Coughlin, Kay staged the question. He said 'do you ever sit around and think that the 200 million...'. He didn't exactly bring up the topic on his own, and was clearly uncomfortable with the question.
That money was spent on players. Players that Coughlin had input in drafting and signing.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
He said it in a joking way
"It's been reported" by who? Other than one comment and this interview, I've never heard it mentioned from Coughlin.
When you get into "It's been reported" territory, you get into the same silly reports that had Randy Moss fighting Tom Brady over a haircut. Unless there's a source, there's no way of knowing the veracity.
Do I know it's true? Course not. Then again, it doesn't seem all that far fetched seeing as the guy didn't want to go,
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
It isn't about disliking Coughlin. It's about recognizing that the he was as responsible (if not more) for the team's floundering the last several seasons as anyone else.
The front office not supporting him via FA acquisitions stuff is disingenuous.
What's the problem? The Giants definitely have more talent. I, for one, am always in favor of that. We have talent in many areas, with the obvious exception of our OTs.
You're actually embarrassing at this point.
+1
The man was asked a question and went along with the moment and joked around with it. Why try to read more into it than that?
He is gone so why the need to criticize at this point? The way I view it is that the man lead the team to two Super Bowl wins and was as loyal a diehard Giant as anyone ever involved with the team and he now is a now part of great NY Giant history. What purpose does taking shots at him even serve?
This thread is a perfect example. Someone starts a thread recapping what he said in in interview for those that might be interested and didn't hear it or have access. Why even bother commenting in a negative fashion? What purpose does that serve?
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But there seem to be more posters intent on defending Coughlin from any and all criticism than there are unabashed critics.
He is gone so why the need to criticize at this point? The way I view it is that the man lead the team to two Super Bowl wins and was as loyal a diehard Giant as anyone ever involved with the team and he now is a now part of great NY Giant history. What purpose does taking shots at him even serve?
This thread is a perfect example. Someone starts a thread recapping what he said in in interview for those that might be interested and didn't hear it or have access. Why even bother commenting in a negative fashion? What purpose does that serve?
No criticism from me, but there was a coaching change. Those things happen for a reason. It isn't shocking to me that some might say "I like how New Coach does XYZ. I thought old coach sucked at XYZ."
It's an Internet message board. The old "if you don't have anything nice to say, why say anything at all?" doesn't really apply.
but what does that have to do with this thread?
Again, where was he slammed on this thread?
and you'll be the one labeling any criticism of TC as "slamminng", evidently.
However as I mentioned before someone starts a thread recapping what he said in in interview for those that might be interested and didn't hear it or have access. Why even bother commenting in a negative fashion? What purpose does that serve?
This is the quote that started it all:
But even after it was described as said in a joking way it's posted that that was bogus and implied much of the salary situation was in realty his fault.
Then when it was pointed out that:
That doesn't matter and it must be clarified that:
And
So sure nobody is actually overtly slamming Coughlin but instead of simply accepting the explanation that he was joking or uncomfortable being asked some certainly felt the need to make the distinction of making him out to be a jerk about it.
With all due respect these comments had nothing to do with supporting McAdoo or even comparing them. They were said just to make the man look bad on a thread about him. At least own up to it and don't deny there is anything negative being said about him by using the semantics game when someone describes it as "slamming"
This is my last post on this thread because I like all the posters involved and really don't want to argue about this nonsense when we should be enjoying our 2-0 start.
Can we do the same for Reese or no?
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It ignores the fact that this money didn't simply materialize out of thin air. Reese didn't find $200m on a park bench out in Dorney Park. The salary cap didn't miraculously grow by that amount and it isn't like we were cheap during the Coughlin years.
That money was spent on players. Players that Coughlin had input in drafting and signing.
So while I'll always love Coughlin, this is bogus.
He said it in a joking way
He has referenced it a few times in multiple interviews. It's definitely understandable, as I will admit that I would be too, but there's a tinge of bitterness in the repeated references.
What facts were twisted? Even if you think there's speculation in play, there's no "facts" to disprove that speculation either. It seems as though both sides of the Coughlin divide treat their own opinions as fact and the opposing viewpoint as fiction.
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Some people look for any opportunity to criticize him even to the point of twisting the facts
good point. Keep making it; anything that drives these people nuts is worth repeating.
Absolutely. Agree 100%. It's like all these idiots have forgotten all those years that the Giants started 2-0 under Coughlin, especially over the past four years when they won so many games and kept going to the playoffs with their franchise QB in his prime. And last year alone, when so many of his strategic decisions were solid and worked out perfectly. I especially liked when he managed to cool off his superstar WR in the midst of a meltdown by being aware of what was happening on the field.
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To the crusty curmudgeons who see coughlin and Eli as perfect, frank Gifford as the greatest giant of all time, Tiki as satan and Reese/Ross the incompetent managers who really should accept all blame. There is never any nuance in their positions
Because much of it is manufactured or myth.
There have been several threads recently criticizing Coughlin. I think it's a cheap shot.
He's a Hall of fame guy both on and off the field!
Statement #1: The NY Giants spent up to the cap threshold in each of Coughlin's seasons.
Statement #2: As a long-tenured HC privy to scouting reports and who attended each scouting combine, Tom Coughlin had a fair amount of input into the roster construction, allocation of cap resources, and which players saw the field.
Now which of those statements is false?
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Nice try
I'm not wrong.
While I have not intentions of discussing TC in this thread any longer I will break my word to not post on this thread again just to set the record straight that you couldn't be more wrong about me.
I am one of the biggest Tiki supporters on the site.
I'm not sure that I would agree that Gifford is the greatest Giant of all time.
I don't believe Coughlin and Eli are perfect
And while I think ownership/front office was at least as much to blame for the state of the Giants last season as TC I don't dislike him.
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Nice try
I'm not wrong.
While I have not intentions of discussing TC in this thread any longer I will break my word to not post on this thread again just to set the record straight that you couldn't be more wrong about me.
I am one of the biggest Tiki supporters on the site.
I'm not sure that I would agree that Gifford is the greatest Giant of all time.
I don't believe Coughlin and Eli are perfect
And while I think ownership/front office was at least as much to blame for the state of the Giants last season as TC I don't dislike him.
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In comment 13132691 Les in TO said:
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In comment 13132229 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Nice try
I'm not wrong.
While I have not intentions of discussing TC in this thread any longer I will break my word to not post on this thread again just to set the record straight that you couldn't be more wrong about me.
I am one of the biggest Tiki supporters on the site.
I'm not sure that I would agree that Gifford is the greatest Giant of all time.
I don't believe Coughlin and Eli are perfect
And while I think ownership/front office was at least as much to blame for the state of the Giants last season as TC I don't dislike him.
Steve you are definitely not in the category I described above. You always have been a thoughtful poster
Thank you that was nice.
At least we agree on Tiki (grin)