Don't watch much college football and don't trust what I read predraft. That said, it was widely reported that Tenn and Chicago took players that Reese wanted. I am so far happy with the Eli Apple pick. Was not much impressed with Floyd last night and haven't seen the OT from Mich St. I don't even know if he starts. Has anybody seen more of these 2? And, did Reese pull one off on the media & other teams? Also, how is the other CB doing - the guy from Fl who went to Tampa right after the Giants?
Though Conklin got completely blown up here (by Ziggy Ansah, I think)
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It's just part of the job
but to speculate -- that any player is "our player" in the draft unless you have the number # overall pick is ridiculous.
You only get to pick what's available when you're on the clock
There's no way to know how the Giants graded Apple in relation to the players who went immediately ahead of him. Based on early returns, though, it seems that staying put at #10 was a sensible non-move, even if they loved Conklin and Floyd .
I am fine with Apple myself although OL would have been great.
also on a 4th and goal from the 1, the eagles up 15 went for it. the beats make the stop but dumb dumb floyd was lined up in the neutral zone. eagles get another shot and score...theres your ball game. ill take the young corner. also this "they took the guy i wanted" can happen every year if you dont move up you cannot guarantee your guy is there. so what do you do? stand pat, save your picks and trust your board. if guys arent there you go with next guy up based on value/need. our first choice was probably jalen ramsey lol he wasnt there either. soo we went with apple he was next best on the board and so far so good
Hard to say. I don't doubt that the Titans and Bears jumped ahead of the Giants to secure Conklin and Floyd. I'm just not sure a leak was necessary to tip off the League that the Giants needed a right tackle and an edge rusher. A cursory glance at our depth chart would have sufficed.
I am fine with Apple myself although OL would have been great.
Were they leaks or were they disinformation?
For example, Paul Dottino was on NFLN saying how much the Giants liked Leonard Floyd. That had to be done deliberately.
I am fine with Apple myself although OL would have been great.
You are assuming that Apple was not the target all along. Maybe the leaks were false leaders. We will never know
we could easily have taken a DE/DT/LB/S/CB or OL/TE/RB in round 1 - not saying some of those would have been wise choices, but, when you're top 10 you have many, many needs.
Let teams that think they are 1 player away from the SB jump around for certain guys, when you've been 7-9, 6-10, and 6-10 the last 3 years, you just take the best player at your slot, don't get cute.
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Assuming he was going to play WILL, how much of an improvement would he have been over Casillas? Casillas has been playing lights out.
I don't think he would have played SAM, but maybe I'm wrong. Devon Kennard has not flashed much this year - not sure how he's grading out. It seems he's mostly on the bench in the nickel.
Would Floyd have been given a spot in the NASCAR/4 ACES package?
Much rather get hot and bothered over a shut-down CB than a RT.
If the Giants would take the same path as we did with Darian Thompson at FS, they should be able to fill the RT position with a 2-4 round draft choice.
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your first mistake is even bothering to read the drivel that is PFF. Purely For Fools
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your first mistake is even bothering to read the drivel that is PFF. Purely For Fools
I didn't read it, it was stated in the slide show. ;)
And who wouldn't want to follow an org. that hasnt won a thing for 23 years ;-)
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Giants need to plug up leaks around their draft board. those 2 teams traded ahead of the giants to get those players.
I am fine with Apple myself although OL would have been great.
Were they leaks or were they disinformation?
For example, Paul Dottino was on NFLN saying how much the Giants liked Leonard Floyd. That had to be done deliberately.
There is no way to know . But Why deliberate ? No one was trading up for Apple who was thought of by most a late 1st round pick.
Assuming he was going to play WILL, how much of an improvement would he have been over Casillas? Casillas has been playing lights out.
I don't think he would have played SAM, but maybe I'm wrong. Devon Kennard has not flashed much this year - not sure how he's grading out. It seems he's mostly on the bench in the nickel.
Would Floyd have been given a spot in the NASCAR/4 ACES package?
Most likely, he would have played SAM since the Giants prefer to use the SAM to rush the QB instead of the Will or MIKE.
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Giants need to plug up leaks around their draft board. those 2 teams traded ahead of the giants to get those players.
I am fine with Apple myself although OL would have been great.
Were they leaks or were they disinformation?
For example, Paul Dottino was on NFLN saying how much the Giants liked Leonard Floyd. That had to be done deliberately.
There is no way to know . But Why deliberate ? No one was trading up for Apple who was thought of by most a late 1st round pick.
The Dolphins wanted Apple and they had the 13th pick. I think if the 'Phins knew Apple was gong to be the Giants pick they probably would have traded up ahead of the Giants.
We should be more careful otherwise we are going to wind up picking last...
Apple was a name that got thrown about here as a possibility (JonC?), but it never took hold in a big way because most view the big boards on major sports media outlets as the gospel, and thusly Apple was a "reach".
I don't know who the primary target was, but I'm convinced Apple was very high on their board. I'm also convinced that 3 years from now he will clearly be the best CB from this draft.
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Assuming he was going to play WILL, how much of an improvement would he have been over Casillas? Casillas has been playing lights out.
I don't think he would have played SAM, but maybe I'm wrong. Devon Kennard has not flashed much this year - not sure how he's grading out. It seems he's mostly on the bench in the nickel.
Would Floyd have been given a spot in the NASCAR/4 ACES package?
Most likely, he would have played SAM since the Giants prefer to use the SAM to rush the QB instead of the Will or MIKE.
I think you're right. So if they go with Floyd, you have to figure they bench Kennard in the base set, making Hall the 3rd CB.
So, is Floyd & Hall > Kennard & Apple? Maybe so far, as Kennard has been mostly invisible and I don't think anyone can prove through two games that Apple > Hall. But in the long term, considering Hall's age, I think we end up ahead with Kennard & Apple.
Furthermore, in nickel situations they'd have to bench either Floyd or take snaps from one of the other linebackers or DL. Who would we bench in those situations? My guess is they would keep Casillas and Robinson on the field to help in coverage, and so to get Floyd on the field they would have to bench someone from the nickel pass rush, probably Okwara or Owa Odi. Since Odi was on the team and going to make the 53 no matter what, it's Okwara who was likely to be bumped.
So is Floyd & Hall > Okwara & Apple? Again, taking the long view it's hard to argue against taking Apple.
Time of course will provide the best answers to these questions.
I think if he had been there Conklin could very well have been the choice and he's starting at RT where we could definitely use him.
Apple so far is playing at a high level though and that's all you can ask of your FO.
But, I never heard his name leading up to the time NYG was on the clock, unfortunately.
But, I never heard his name leading up to the time NYG was on the clock, unfortunately.
I can vouch for this. I had a conversation months in advance with JonC where I wanted VH3 and he said VH3 wasn't a Giants type of CB but Eli Apple was.