To be impressed by Shepard, it's not too early to be impressed by Wentz. You can be impressed by their current play without declaring they will prove to be great players.
If Jordan Matthews would stop being stone hands out there, he'd have more deep ball completions too.
Of course progress is never linear and he'll have lots of bad games the next few years. But through the first couple of games at least, and watching Hard Knocks - seems the Rams should have gone Wentz #1 over the laid back dude.
Pretty good mobility too for a big guy and he took some big hits and popped back up. I think our defense will match up well though with their receivers and put pressure on the O-line.
was how he was calling out the defense at the LOS and he delivered a few strikes while taking a big hit to the chin. Sure, the offense is playing in a phone booth right now, but he's excelled at what they've given him to this point. Very impressive.
To be impressed by Shepard, it's not too early to be impressed by Wentz. You can be impressed by their current play without declaring they will prove to be great players.
agree, and notwithstanding the (what I find defensive) comments about Dak, he has impressed me more than Wentz. Yes, DP has an excellent OL in front of him, and he's taken full advantage.
To be impressed by Shepard, it's not too early to be impressed by Wentz. You can be impressed by their current play without declaring they will prove to be great players.
agree, and notwithstanding the (what I find defensive) comments about Dak, he has impressed me more than Wentz. Yes, DP has an excellent OL in front of him, and he's taken full advantage.
To be impressed by Shepard, it's not too early to be impressed by Wentz. You can be impressed by their current play without declaring they will prove to be great players.
agree, and notwithstanding the (what I find defensive) comments about Dak, he has impressed me more than Wentz. Yes, DP has an excellent OL in front of him, and he's taken full advantage.
Also, re. Eagles' defense: what MAB said
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mentioned it on the Prescott thread, but his poise and ability to take a big hit while throwing accurately is something we need to prepare for. I didn't expect this kind of start from him, even though I liked him more than Goff.
has done well, but as others have noted, he's releasing the ball quickly, and most of his throws are at the first level. Many are WR screens, hitches, quick outs, and slants. On a number of plays, it looked like he was just looking at half the field, and making one or two reads. But he has composure, reads defenses well, and has made a few nice deep throws, albeit against the Browns. He's certainly more advanced than most rookie QBs. Prescott as well.
has a good head on his shoulders and he can make all the throws. But he plays very recklessly which will result in him getting hurt. And they really aren't asking him to do too much yet. .
He's faced two atrocious defenses and has barely attempted a pass longer than 10 yards.
Come on, give credit where credit is due. The kid took a licking last night and bounced right up. Those two passes he completed with a defender bearing down on and subsequently crushing him were very very nice. He also has shown good touch on his passes. Nobody is putting him in canton yet, just saying he has been impressive early on. I mean hell, compare his first two starts to Eli's... I must say the hit he took on the sideline last night reminded me very much of the hit Eli took in his first game against philly.
Do I have to retype Dave Brown's first three starts again? Â
The kid is the #2 pick in the draft. Did you expect him to suck? Sure, we can hope for Ryan Leaf. But the QBs taken at #2 since Leaf have been Donovan McNabb, Robert Griffin III and Marcus Mariota. These are seriously talented football players. I will say, though, that if Wentz doesn't protect himself better than he did on Monday, he's more likely to end up like Griffin than McNabb.
I really like what I've seen from him. He's making reads at the LOS, he's making accurate throws, and he runs pretty well. He also threw a few strikes downfield wihile on the run that could have resulted in huge plays if Algholor could win the one-on-ones and hold onto the ball.
It doesn't mean that he will definitely be great or that he won't regress when better defenses attack him, but I think he's playing as well as anyone could want from a rookie quarterback thus far.
His biggest flaw thus far has been the way he exposed himself to big hits, though.
has a good head on his shoulders and he can make all the throws. But he plays very recklessly which will result in him getting hurt. And they really aren't asking him to do too much yet. .
Thats a good take.
So far I think he has done as well as the Eagles could have hoped Â
Physical tools are obvious. The small school QB looks like a veteran right now even without a lot of preseason work. That's really impressive.
They started the game with no huddle and spread it out and he looked like a vet. Most of the throws are short but he made some nice long throws that were dropped and he did it last week vs CLE. Throwing down the field is not an issue for him. He's got a live arm.
Very early but looks like DAL and PHi have their QBs for a while.
...it's nice to see Eli Manning finally getting credit for playing every Sunday. Maybe it comes across as faint praise, but it really shouldn't. Where NFL QBs are concerned, Woody Allen's maxim applies: 80% of life/success is showing up.
I personally like that version better than "A quarterback's most important ability is AVAILability." But then, Woody Allen is among the most brilliant humorists of his generation (albeit a twisted one). Daryl Johnston used his head as a battering ram for ten years. Comparing their phrase-turning talents seems a bit unfair.
As for Wentz, he looks good out there....the short passes are to minimize mistakes...has a good arm.....just a matter of time before he gets his timing down with the receivers, and plays a little long ball....
The NFC East, is looking stronger each week....
Of course the competition the Eagles have faced, helps....
Two games is too small a sample, even for the Giants.....by mid season we will know who the pretenders to the crown are...
One thing I noticed in last night's game in the first half (didn't watch the 2nd half) was he took two big hits. I'm not sure if he got hit again in the 2nd half. If he continues to take shots like that, he won't make it through a 16 game season.
His first few years he looked outstanding. Some guys grow. Some don't.
Wentz, after 2 games, is impressive. People saying it was against this defense or he avg 6 YPA? That doesn't mean the way he handled himself, moved around, and threw a football on an NFL field wasn't impressive. It Mathews catches the ball his YPA is good. Last week he threw some nice deep balls.
He looks like a real player. No need to take it as any kind of knock on Eli but thats what many do here.
People are funny. Apparently we are only allowed to be impressed with Giants players.
Who the hell knows what kind of career either of these rookie QB's will have but through 2 games each they both have looked good. Not sure how how anyone argue with that.
They may not have been asked to do too much, but both have looked in control of the offense, accurate, agile and calm.
As a Giants fan, I would have preferred they both looked like doe-eyed, pants pissing rookies.
The game thread does nothing but rip Wentz and Gruden for being impressed with him.
The guy had an undeniable command of what to do out there. And he has the tools to deliver the ball.
He sure as hell did not play like a small school rookie. Last season he's playing in North Dakota but he played like a 10 year vet on Monday night...on the road...in game 2 of his career. Damn that sucks for Giants fans.
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The kid is the #2 pick in the draft. Did you expect him to suck? Sure, we can hope for Ryan Leaf. But the QBs taken at #2 since Leaf have been Donovan McNabb, Robert Griffin III and Marcus Mariota. These are seriously talented football players. I will say, though, that if Wentz doesn't protect himself better than he did on Monday, he's more likely to end up like Griffin than McNabb.
A message board isn't for you, chill out. We are talking about how he looks after 2 games, not putting him in the hall of fame. Is anyone allowed to talk about the QB of a rival team, or do we have to wait until season 3?
2. Didn't really seem like he looked past his first target. Now that may be because the Bears didn't cover anyone but it's something to look out for this week against the Steelers.
in long yardage situations,which were not to many.Bears are really bad and they could have thrown all night on that Eagle secondary but their OL sucks and Cutler just isn't good enough.
Wentz,much like Dak is making the most out of a limited passing game plan.They both will face much bigger tests this year.
of course, the real credit for both his and DP's success in Dallas goes to the coaching staff, who created a game plan that each of them were capable of executing. Reminds me a bit of how coach Harbaugh was able to win with Alex Smith in SF for a while, until defenses adjusted to what they were trying to do and force Alex into more difficult throws.
My guess is that over time, defenses will force them to adjust these plans, and we will see how long these guys can continue to adjust.
Prescott didn't do so well after the Giants made their adjustments in the second half of the game. I think if we can stay healthy he might struggle even more by the time we play them again.
In the pocket and he got hit hard a few times and bounced back. It's against 2 shitty teams, but he looks like he belongs which is big at this stage of his career.
one name...Robert Griffin III. He looked great in his first year also, didn't he. Then he got pounded because he ran around and didn't protect himself, very similar to what Wentz is doing, then he got hurt and was never the same.
Being a good QB is a body of work over a period of time against both tough and easy opponents.
He has done well so far but let's not put him in Canton yet.
It takes a lot for me to say, but hes looked good. I am taking into account who he has played, but he knows where to go with the ball and seems to have a firm grasp of the offense. He can diagnose a blitz and he can make a play with his legs if he needs to (although he took a bunch of big hits last night and needs to learn how to protect himself or he wont last). I know its early, but it looks like the Eagles made a good choice.
the Eagles have finally got themselves a keeper. Tall, poised, cerebral, strong and accurate arm. Already looks like he's played in the NFL for the past 5 years.
If he stays healthy, he will give the Giants fits for years to come.
Of course it's early, but he seems incredibly mature and acts nothing like the typical jittery rookie with that deer in the headlights look when stepping onto the field in the NFL for the first time
he doesn't turn the ball over. His yards per play aren't all that impressive, and he's played two of the NFL's worst teams.
Gruden liked him last night, but what did he mention? Poise, intelligence, ball handling. That's a good start, but let's see him down 14 points against a real team and see what happens.
It's early and it'll be nice to see the Eagles actually have to play a real NFL team soon but I think he's looked very comfortable and in control thus far. He seems to have a really good feel for the game and he's made some pretty impressive throws.
Again.. it's early. But it's tough not to give the kid credit so far. If it were us and it was some rookie that was taking Eli's place a few years from now I think it's pretty safe to say that we'd all be very happy right now.
His first few years he looked outstanding. Some guys grow. Some don't.
Wentz, after 2 games, is impressive. People saying it was against this defense or he avg 6 YPA? That doesn't mean the way he handled himself, moved around, and threw a football on an NFL field wasn't impressive. It Mathews catches the ball his YPA is good. Last week he threw some nice deep balls.
He looks like a real player. No need to take it as any kind of knock on Eli but thats what many do here.
Cutler has also had a new OC every single year in Chicago.
What? He beat two terrible defense on teams that are a combined 0-4? Â
I saw him for the first time last night, and while I know it was the Bears, I watched a few series and thought, "uh oh". Kid seems cool, seems to read the defense, looked like a quick release and accurate passer. Didn't see the hits he took, hey I could only watch so much of that lousy game. But yeah, looks like the Dirty Birds might have a QB.
Agreed, it's too early to tell the future based on one or two games Â
Not making mistakes and making some plays. What else could you want out of a rookie going into week 3. Lets see what he could do against a playoff team this week. He's played against two teams drafting in the top 5 (arguable battling for the top pick) so far.
Cutler has been running for his life in Chicago his whole career there and the OL is still bad. And we think our OL situation sucks - take a look at Indy or Chicago - those QBs have about a second to throw it most downs.
As for Wentz, he's gonna be good, so that sucks.
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his career like Wentz has, everyone here would be singing his praises. Kid has played well so far
That's the annoying part. Sometimes I wish we had this system when Eli was drafted so he could have a QB friendly system as he was starting out rather than the previous system. I am sure other fans and media heads would have a different opinion on him as well.
Hopefully in this system, he can be highly productive and change peoples opinions regarding him.
his career like Wentz has, everyone here would be singing his praises. Kid has played well so far
That's the annoying part. Sometimes I wish we had this system when Eli was drafted so he could have a QB friendly system as he was starting out rather than the previous system. I am sure other fans and media heads would have a different opinion on him as well.
Hopefully in this system, he can be highly productive and change peoples opinions regarding him.
welcome back Anish, it's been a while since I've seen you post.
I totally agree about Eli. Roethlisberger did nothing but hand off for 2 years. Eli was asked to do way more way sooner than any of the others.
to do more led directly to being successful in an offense that got him two rings. I don't think he would change a thing. We all collectively need to stop caring what people in the media and elsewhere say or think about him.
he has been impressive so far. He has averaged 5 yards per attempt which is not a high number, he made a nice throw to Matthews on a long ball that Matthews dropped, he also made two nice throws while under pressure. He also made a couple of wild throws on longer outs where he they were not timing patterns and he underthrew Agohlar on the deep ball where Gruden moaned for PI Who knows? He will probably be a starting QB in this league for a long time, but whether he is Ryan Fitzpatrick or Aaron Rodgers is anyone's guess.
What bothers me is that we have a guy who has played 13 years of high quality football and every single throw he makes is analyzed like the Zapruder film; this guy comes in and throws a couple hitches and out timing patterns and he is the second coming of Joe Montana. It is grating and annoying if you constantly root for an oft-criticized and severely underappreciated QB.
what ends up being one of the funniest things is that in a game where he went 32-41, there were a bunch of derisive comments about eli on this site during the game thread.
But if you don't think Prescott or Wentz has been impressive, you're a homer. There are very few QB's who just shit the bed anymore - so this whole idea about poise seems a bit overdone.
You know who does seem to shit the bed regularly? Cutler. But I guess that the claims he'd be an all time great is just because some guys grow and some don't. Just like Sanchez I guess.
This is why it is rare that I'll comment on a 1st or 2nd year player, because the guys who turn out like Romo show over time they are really good, while the Sanchez's, the Freeman's, the Kaepernick's, the Kolb's and the Foles' tend to show themselves as flashes in the pan, even with analysts fawning over them early on.
This kid looks good so far. You play who you play. I'm looking forward to the competition twice a year with him. It's still early though and teams will game plan for him and he will have some tough patches but looks legit. He has to be feeling good starting before Goff
what ends up being one of the funniest things is that in a game where he went 32-41, there were a bunch of derisive comments about eli on this site during the game thread.
But if you don't think Prescott or Wentz has been impressive, you're a homer. There are very few QB's who just shit the bed anymore - so this whole idea about poise seems a bit overdone.
You know who does seem to shit the bed regularly? Cutler. But I guess that the claims he'd be an all time great is just because some guys grow and some don't. Just like Sanchez I guess.
This is why it is rare that I'll comment on a 1st or 2nd year player, because the guys who turn out like Romo show over time they are really good, while the Sanchez's, the Freeman's, the Kaepernick's, the Kolb's and the Foles' tend to show themselves as flashes in the pan, even with analysts fawning over them early on.
I guess they just didn't grow....
Not a critique of your overall point - just wanted to add that in lieu of waiting past two years, one should look past 32 games or so. Current case in point: Kirk Cousins. What's the jury got to say about him?
and not at all like a newbe QB with little expierience. A great find for the HATED Eagles maybe, hope not. Have to see him against a better defense like the Giants for instance.
So far
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Wentz looked pretty damn good to me . He does need to learn
to go into a slide and get down quicker or he won't last
the season .
Filthys D will be a problem and they have Depth .
The O-line is a worry for me lets hope no one else goes
down thankfully it was Newhouse but were so thin even
that doesn't help .
At least Johnson got suspended that one did hurt .....
is he can throw the ball, and he can read defenses. Kaepernick, Wilson, Mariota and a lot of the other flash in the pans could not do one or the other.
I put Dak Prescott in the category with Kaepernick and Foles. He may yet develop into a good QB. But he has had success so far because he has a great running game, they don't ask him to do much and he can make plays with his legs.
But to be a great QB, you need to be able to hit receivers downfield in tight spaces. I have not seen Prescott do that yet on a consistent basis.
I also don't consider Cam a great QB. He is a great Talent. Even a unique talent, who can be a force. But a great QB? Nope.
A message board isn't for you, chill out. We are talking about how he looks after 2 games, not putting him in the hall of fame. Is anyone allowed to talk about the QB of a rival team, or do we have to wait until season 3?
Fair enough - of course Wentz is a legitimate topic for discussion. My point was just that we've sort of exhausted the topic. Wasn't this the third or fourth Carson Wentz thread? We can all agree he looks pretty good so far, aside from taking too many hits.
A message board isn't for you, chill out. We are talking about how he looks after 2 games, not putting him in the hall of fame. Is anyone allowed to talk about the QB of a rival team, or do we have to wait until season 3?
Fair enough - of course Wentz is a legitimate topic for discussion. My point was just that we've sort of exhausted the topic. Wasn't this the third or fourth Carson Wentz thread? We can all agree he looks pretty good so far, aside from taking too many hits.
Dak Prescott too.
Of course progress is never linear and he'll have lots of bad games the next few years. But through the first couple of games at least, and watching Hard Knocks - seems the Rams should have gone Wentz #1 over the laid back dude.
Let's revisit in 3 years.
He needs to learn to slide though, or he is going to get himself killed.
Correct...ask me next week about Wentz and the Eagles defense.
And MAB's right - what's surprising about the Eagles is how good their defense looks.
agree, and notwithstanding the (what I find defensive) comments about Dak, he has impressed me more than Wentz. Yes, DP has an excellent OL in front of him, and he's taken full advantage.
Also, re. Eagles' defense: what MAB said
agree, and notwithstanding the (what I find defensive) comments about Dak, he has impressed me more than Wentz. Yes, DP has an excellent OL in front of him, and he's taken full advantage.
Also, re. Eagles' defense: what MAB said
agree, and notwithstanding the (what I find defensive) comments about Dak, he has impressed me more than Wentz. Yes, DP has an excellent OL in front of him, and he's taken full advantage.
Also, re. Eagles' defense: what MAB said
And MAB's right - what's surprising about the Eagles is how good their defense looks.
Gary, a glitch?
Come on, give credit where credit is due. The kid took a licking last night and bounced right up. Those two passes he completed with a defender bearing down on and subsequently crushing him were very very nice. He also has shown good touch on his passes. Nobody is putting him in canton yet, just saying he has been impressive early on. I mean hell, compare his first two starts to Eli's... I must say the hit he took on the sideline last night reminded me very much of the hit Eli took in his first game against philly.
The kid is the #2 pick in the draft. Did you expect him to suck? Sure, we can hope for Ryan Leaf. But the QBs taken at #2 since Leaf have been Donovan McNabb, Robert Griffin III and Marcus Mariota. These are seriously talented football players. I will say, though, that if Wentz doesn't protect himself better than he did on Monday, he's more likely to end up like Griffin than McNabb.
It doesn't mean that he will definitely be great or that he won't regress when better defenses attack him, but I think he's playing as well as anyone could want from a rookie quarterback thus far.
His biggest flaw thus far has been the way he exposed himself to big hits, though.
As for the Eagles D - I think we all kind of expected it when they signed Schwartz to be their DC, no?
Thats a good take.
They started the game with no huddle and spread it out and he looked like a vet. Most of the throws are short but he made some nice long throws that were dropped and he did it last week vs CLE. Throwing down the field is not an issue for him. He's got a live arm.
Very early but looks like DAL and PHi have their QBs for a while.
But I still remember the days when there were posters here talking about how great he was too.
I personally like that version better than "A quarterback's most important ability is AVAILability." But then, Woody Allen is among the most brilliant humorists of his generation (albeit a twisted one). Daryl Johnston used his head as a battering ram for ten years. Comparing their phrase-turning talents seems a bit unfair.
As for Wentz, he looks good out there....the short passes are to minimize mistakes...has a good arm.....just a matter of time before he gets his timing down with the receivers, and plays a little long ball....
The NFC East, is looking stronger each week....
Of course the competition the Eagles have faced, helps....
Two games is too small a sample, even for the Giants.....by mid season we will know who the pretenders to the crown are...
Wentz, after 2 games, is impressive. People saying it was against this defense or he avg 6 YPA? That doesn't mean the way he handled himself, moved around, and threw a football on an NFL field wasn't impressive. It Mathews catches the ball his YPA is good. Last week he threw some nice deep balls.
He looks like a real player. No need to take it as any kind of knock on Eli but thats what many do here.
People are funny. Apparently we are only allowed to be impressed with Giants players.
Who the hell knows what kind of career either of these rookie QB's will have but through 2 games each they both have looked good. Not sure how how anyone argue with that.
They may not have been asked to do too much, but both have looked in control of the offense, accurate, agile and calm.
As a Giants fan, I would have preferred they both looked like doe-eyed, pants pissing rookies.
The guy had an undeniable command of what to do out there. And he has the tools to deliver the ball.
He sure as hell did not play like a small school rookie. Last season he's playing in North Dakota but he played like a 10 year vet on Monday night...on the road...in game 2 of his career. Damn that sucks for Giants fans.
The kid is the #2 pick in the draft. Did you expect him to suck? Sure, we can hope for Ryan Leaf. But the QBs taken at #2 since Leaf have been Donovan McNabb, Robert Griffin III and Marcus Mariota. These are seriously talented football players. I will say, though, that if Wentz doesn't protect himself better than he did on Monday, he's more likely to end up like Griffin than McNabb.
A message board isn't for you, chill out. We are talking about how he looks after 2 games, not putting him in the hall of fame. Is anyone allowed to talk about the QB of a rival team, or do we have to wait until season 3?
Only negatives I saw were:
1. Takes ridiculous hits for no reason.
2. Didn't really seem like he looked past his first target. Now that may be because the Bears didn't cover anyone but it's something to look out for this week against the Steelers.
Wentz,much like Dak is making the most out of a limited passing game plan.They both will face much bigger tests this year.
My guess is that over time, defenses will force them to adjust these plans, and we will see how long these guys can continue to adjust.
Prescott didn't do so well after the Giants made their adjustments in the second half of the game. I think if we can stay healthy he might struggle even more by the time we play them again.
Being a good QB is a body of work over a period of time against both tough and easy opponents.
He has done well so far but let's not put him in Canton yet.
Let's wait until games 7, 8 or more to get a real gauge on them.
If you are an Eagle or Dallas fan you have HOPE and that is HUGE.
If he stays healthy, he will give the Giants fits for years to come.
Of course it's early, but he seems incredibly mature and acts nothing like the typical jittery rookie with that deer in the headlights look when stepping onto the field in the NFL for the first time
Gruden liked him last night, but what did he mention? Poise, intelligence, ball handling. That's a good start, but let's see him down 14 points against a real team and see what happens.
It's early and it'll be nice to see the Eagles actually have to play a real NFL team soon but I think he's looked very comfortable and in control thus far. He seems to have a really good feel for the game and he's made some pretty impressive throws.
Again.. it's early. But it's tough not to give the kid credit so far. If it were us and it was some rookie that was taking Eli's place a few years from now I think it's pretty safe to say that we'd all be very happy right now.
Wentz, after 2 games, is impressive. People saying it was against this defense or he avg 6 YPA? That doesn't mean the way he handled himself, moved around, and threw a football on an NFL field wasn't impressive. It Mathews catches the ball his YPA is good. Last week he threw some nice deep balls.
He looks like a real player. No need to take it as any kind of knock on Eli but thats what many do here.
Cutler has also had a new OC every single year in Chicago.
I don't get responses like this. Is anyone really saying that? Of course not.
Cutler played as well as you can when you are running for your life much of the time.
As for Wentz, he's gonna be good, so that sucks.
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Well, what are you waiting for? Give him a yellow jacket and a bust in Canton!
I don't get responses like this. Is anyone really saying that? Of course not.
Yes eagle fans are
That's the annoying part. Sometimes I wish we had this system when Eli was drafted so he could have a QB friendly system as he was starting out rather than the previous system. I am sure other fans and media heads would have a different opinion on him as well.
Hopefully in this system, he can be highly productive and change peoples opinions regarding him.
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his career like Wentz has, everyone here would be singing his praises. Kid has played well so far
That's the annoying part. Sometimes I wish we had this system when Eli was drafted so he could have a QB friendly system as he was starting out rather than the previous system. I am sure other fans and media heads would have a different opinion on him as well.
Hopefully in this system, he can be highly productive and change peoples opinions regarding him.
welcome back Anish, it's been a while since I've seen you post.
I totally agree about Eli. Roethlisberger did nothing but hand off for 2 years. Eli was asked to do way more way sooner than any of the others.
What bothers me is that we have a guy who has played 13 years of high quality football and every single throw he makes is analyzed like the Zapruder film; this guy comes in and throws a couple hitches and out timing patterns and he is the second coming of Joe Montana. It is grating and annoying if you constantly root for an oft-criticized and severely underappreciated QB.
They should be doing back flips in Philly!!!!---that kid is throwing ropes and making decisions and protecting the ball.
I like great young players---I hope he stays away from useless contact.
But if you don't think Prescott or Wentz has been impressive, you're a homer. There are very few QB's who just shit the bed anymore - so this whole idea about poise seems a bit overdone.
You know who does seem to shit the bed regularly? Cutler. But I guess that the claims he'd be an all time great is just because some guys grow and some don't. Just like Sanchez I guess.
This is why it is rare that I'll comment on a 1st or 2nd year player, because the guys who turn out like Romo show over time they are really good, while the Sanchez's, the Freeman's, the Kaepernick's, the Kolb's and the Foles' tend to show themselves as flashes in the pan, even with analysts fawning over them early on.
I guess they just didn't grow....
But if you don't think Prescott or Wentz has been impressive, you're a homer. There are very few QB's who just shit the bed anymore - so this whole idea about poise seems a bit overdone.
You know who does seem to shit the bed regularly? Cutler. But I guess that the claims he'd be an all time great is just because some guys grow and some don't. Just like Sanchez I guess.
This is why it is rare that I'll comment on a 1st or 2nd year player, because the guys who turn out like Romo show over time they are really good, while the Sanchez's, the Freeman's, the Kaepernick's, the Kolb's and the Foles' tend to show themselves as flashes in the pan, even with analysts fawning over them early on.
I guess they just didn't grow....
Not a critique of your overall point - just wanted to add that in lieu of waiting past two years, one should look past 32 games or so. Current case in point: Kirk Cousins. What's the jury got to say about him?
They look like a different team with him playing qb...we're better but the qb position for them is going to be very solid.
I find it odd that the telecasts don't mention the fact cousins has NEVER beaten a team with a winning record as a starter.
That's ridiculous!
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Wentz looked pretty damn good to me . He does need to learn
to go into a slide and get down quicker or he won't last
the season .
Filthys D will be a problem and they have Depth .
The O-line is a worry for me lets hope no one else goes
down thankfully it was Newhouse but were so thin even
that doesn't help .
At least Johnson got suspended that one did hurt .....
But is running around in his blood ? He's already taken some huge shots.
I put Dak Prescott in the category with Kaepernick and Foles. He may yet develop into a good QB. But he has had success so far because he has a great running game, they don't ask him to do much and he can make plays with his legs.
But to be a great QB, you need to be able to hit receivers downfield in tight spaces. I have not seen Prescott do that yet on a consistent basis.
I also don't consider Cam a great QB. He is a great Talent. Even a unique talent, who can be a force. But a great QB? Nope.
Fair enough - of course Wentz is a legitimate topic for discussion. My point was just that we've sort of exhausted the topic. Wasn't this the third or fourth Carson Wentz thread? We can all agree he looks pretty good so far, aside from taking too many hits.
Fair enough - of course Wentz is a legitimate topic for discussion. My point was just that we've sort of exhausted the topic. Wasn't this the third or fourth Carson Wentz thread? We can all agree he looks pretty good so far, aside from taking too many hits.
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ne should look past 32 games or so. Current case in point: Kirk Cousins. What's the jury got to say about him?
I find it odd that the telecasts don't mention the fact cousins has NEVER beaten a team with a winning record as a starter.
That's ridiculous!
Great, you had to mention THAT? Bastid..