then most likely recanted to save their son, who has now committed a terrorist act. Previously, it was up in the air about blaming the parents and dogging their restaurant, which I get. Not so much now.
I have no regard for your feelings.
man, the FBI has really come off looking bad in many ways
that this guy wasn't on a watch list after travelling back and forth from Afghanistan, where the FBI knew he visited a town that had a well known terrorist training facility blows my mind.
A law enforcement official says the father of the man suspected in bombings in New York City and New Jersey had contacted the FBI following a 2014 stabbing to express concerns that his son was a terrorist.
The official says the FBI looked into the matter, but that Mohammad Rahami later retracted his comment and said he meant that his son was hanging out with the wrong crowd, including gangs.
Ahmad Khan Rahami was arrested for stabbing a person in the leg and possession of a firearm in 2014. But a grand jury declined to indict him, despite a warning from the arresting officer that Rahami was likely "a danger to himself or others."
The official who spoke to AP insisted on anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Mohammad Rahami told reporters outside his chicken restaurant in Elizabeth, New Jersey, on Tuesday morning that he called law enforcement twice. He didn't elaborate.
The ultra liberal mayor of new York says, yes, this is obviously terrorism and yet the federal rep at the news conference is still going with the jargon.
We have to consider that the jargon and whatever functions cause that jargon may have a chilling effect on common sense
Should they have rousted the guy periodically so that he knows they're watching him? Should they allocate the time and resources to monitor him for years? Do they even have the right to do this without further grounds than an accusation? Would any of this likely have lead to stopping him?
RE: What is it that we expect law enforcement to do with such accusations?
Should they have rousted the guy periodically so that he knows they're watching him? Should they allocate the time and resources to monitor him for years? Do they even have the right to do this without further grounds than an accusation? Would any of this likely have lead to stopping him?
It was confirmed this morning he wasn't put on a watch list. I'm not sure of everything that goes into monitoring people on a watch list, but this fuck sure as hell should have been on it.
Travel to Afghanistan + assault charges + his own father calling him a terrorist should equal some sort of monitoring or surveillance.
RE: What is it that we expect law enforcement to do with such accusations?
Should they have rousted the guy periodically so that he knows they're watching him? Should they allocate the time and resources to monitor him for years? Do they even have the right to do this without further grounds than an accusation? Would any of this likely have lead to stopping him?
With the massive amount of signals intelligence resources we have in play, you'd think at a bare minimum they'd be monitoring all his communications, his travel, etc.
This one looks like it should have been a home run - traveled to Afghanistan and got married, sudden change in his religious views. It's the California shooter all over again.
Seems like the FBI skipped it because the tip came on the heels of him stabbing his brother and beating up his stepmother. They must have figured the father was seeking revenge and not being honest.
Very good article on what it's like to be the parent of a terrorist
A U.S. law enforcement official confirmed the elder Rahami had twice met with the FBI, first saying that he was worried his son was hanging out with people who might have connections to militants, but two weeks later contending his real concern was that the son was associating with criminals.
The FBI tried to check out the father's story, and conducted what officials now describe as an "assessment" of that information. However, investigators found no evidence to prompt a full-scale investigation into the son, and the initial investigation was closed without action, the law enforcement official said.
At the time, the son was being held on an assault charge for stabbing his brother during a domestic dispute, another law enforcement official said. Link - ( New Window )
was totally in the dark. It's just a wee too coincidental that the son he reported to the FBI as a potential terrorist just happens to have actually become a terrorist bomber.
was totally in the dark. It's just a wee too coincidental that the son he reported to the FBI as a potential terrorist just happens to have actually become a terrorist bomber.
Isnt the "family in the dark" angle a rebuttal to the "they're complicit for not reporting him" angle?
Complicit for reporting, then retracting, and never saying another word as their son was planning a bombing.
It would be one thing if they tipped the FBI, and then those incompetent clowns said "Hey, we checked him out and he's clean." Instead, the father went back and said "About that terrorism thing I said? Yeah, I made that up because I was mad at him for hanging around with gangsters" which led to the FBI shrugging their shoulders and closing the investigation.
Cmon man.... What the hell are the parents supposed to do ? Unless they absolutely knew what exactly this kid was up to they couldn't do much of anything.
was too busy to follow up on this, what with their ongoing program of trying to entrap other muslim families in by cooking up "terrorist plots" and infiltrating their communities to recruit them. Google the Fort Dix Five for a good example.
for the first time ever......Mark C has a good point
Are still openly and "legally" selling K-2 and synthetic pot near the local schools here in NYC. But not re-selling single tobacco cigs, fuck no, that one is a crime I guess.
Are still openly and "legally" selling K-2 and synthetic pot near the local schools here in NYC. But not re-selling single tobacco cigs, fuck no, that one is a crime I guess.
No, both are illegal. Doesn't mean people aren't selling them, but they're both against the law. One for health reasons, the other for taxation.
you don't call the cops on your kid and then rescind. But, I'm guessing it happens all the time. loser families do loser things to their family members.
and then it looks bad when the cops, or FBI, doesn't connect the dots, when most of the time it's Dad just being pissed off at Jr, or Jr being pissed off at Dad.
and then they all blame society for their failings.
I feel like you skipped the first post.
What did the FBI do to follow up?
I have no regard for your feelings.
The official says the FBI looked into the matter, but that Mohammad Rahami later retracted his comment and said he meant that his son was hanging out with the wrong crowd, including gangs.
Ahmad Khan Rahami was arrested for stabbing a person in the leg and possession of a firearm in 2014. But a grand jury declined to indict him, despite a warning from the arresting officer that Rahami was likely "a danger to himself or others."
The official who spoke to AP insisted on anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.
Mohammad Rahami told reporters outside his chicken restaurant in Elizabeth, New Jersey, on Tuesday morning that he called law enforcement twice. He didn't elaborate.
Scratch that, the brother was the one who assaulted the cop.
We have to consider that the jargon and whatever functions cause that jargon may have a chilling effect on common sense
FBI: Welp, guess we can close the book on that one!
Either way, the guy spends the rest of his life in jail.
What did the FBI do to follow up?
Evidently Ahmad Rahami's wife and mother left the country recently as well...
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+1
It was confirmed this morning he wasn't put on a watch list. I'm not sure of everything that goes into monitoring people on a watch list, but this fuck sure as hell should have been on it.
Travel to Afghanistan + assault charges + his own father calling him a terrorist should equal some sort of monitoring or surveillance.
With the massive amount of signals intelligence resources we have in play, you'd think at a bare minimum they'd be monitoring all his communications, his travel, etc.
This one looks like it should have been a home run - traveled to Afghanistan and got married, sudden change in his religious views. It's the California shooter all over again.
Seems like the FBI skipped it because the tip came on the heels of him stabbing his brother and beating up his stepmother. They must have figured the father was seeking revenge and not being honest.
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The FBI tried to check out the father's story, and conducted what officials now describe as an "assessment" of that information. However, investigators found no evidence to prompt a full-scale investigation into the son, and the initial investigation was closed without action, the law enforcement official said.
At the time, the son was being held on an assault charge for stabbing his brother during a domestic dispute, another law enforcement official said.
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Troll away, moron!
I think they could prioritize one whose own parents ratted on him.
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everyone who might be a terrorist. You'd need millions of agents to do that.
I think they could prioritize one whose own parents ratted on him.
I'm not sure the source of the tip makes it any more worthwhile than other leads.
Resources are limited. Time is limited.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to prevent 100% of a kind of crime before it ever happens?
Frankly, I think the record of the post-9/11 domestic security apparatus is nothing short of remarkable. Under both Bush and Obama.
Isnt the "family in the dark" angle a rebuttal to the "they're complicit for not reporting him" angle?
It would be one thing if they tipped the FBI, and then those incompetent clowns said "Hey, we checked him out and he's clean." Instead, the father went back and said "About that terrorism thing I said? Yeah, I made that up because I was mad at him for hanging around with gangsters" which led to the FBI shrugging their shoulders and closing the investigation.
Cmon man.... What the hell are the parents supposed to do ? Unless they absolutely knew what exactly this kid was up to they couldn't do much of anything.
Everyone has all the answers.
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shouldn't get a DIME of tax payer money for any security bureau. They have failed us time and time again...
Do you have any idea how hard it is to prevent 100% of a kind of crime before it ever happens?
Frankly, I think the record of the post-9/11 domestic security apparatus is nothing short of remarkable. Under both Bush and Obama.
Absolutely right. 4th largest country and 330 mill people and only a handful a these attacks is remarkable.
She'd been scheduled to fly back to the United States this week, two US officials said.
She's currently in the United Arab Emirates, where she's spoken with US officials, a US official said.
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No, both are illegal. Doesn't mean people aren't selling them, but they're both against the law. One for health reasons, the other for taxation.
and then it looks bad when the cops, or FBI, doesn't connect the dots, when most of the time it's Dad just being pissed off at Jr, or Jr being pissed off at Dad.
and then they all blame society for their failings.