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PFF: Josh Norman is playing the best football of his career.

Mike in Long Beach : 9/21/2016 1:17 pm
Among the many times I'm beaten up on this site, the only time I actually care is when it's relation to the Giants. Last year I called Norman the best corner in the league and a whole lot of posters called me an idiot for it. Now I'm fully aware that the formula for full-on devastation on BBI is to not only start a thread tooting your own horn, but to do so utilizing PFF data. But that's what's happening. Josh Norman is the best corner in the NFL, IMO. Denial only makes it worse. At the absolute very least he deserves to be in the conversation, if not leading the pack.

I love that he's this good, because if we were to have the #1 receiver in the NFL (I think we have #2) it would make this rivalry even more fun. As it stands, it's still fucking fantastic.

There were then, and still are great arguments for other cornerbacks. But Norman is indisputably top 3, if not #1.

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Through two games, Redskins CB Josh Norman is the league’s leading cornerback, with a 91.6 overall grade—a higher mark even than his 87.9 from last season.


Some thoughts on Norman not shadowing the best receivers in the game thus far:

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When Norman faced Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant in Weeks 1 and 2, respectively, he kept a clean sheet across the board. The problem people have, though, is that he hasn’t done it enough. Many see tracking a No. 1 receiver as a necessary step to being classified as an elite corner, regardless of the fact that it’s not the cornerback’s decision to make.

Seahawks CB Richard Sherman is arguably the best cornerback in the game right now, but that comes with an asterisk to many because he isn’t asked to follow top receivers; guys like Jets CB Darrelle Revis and Cardinals CB Patrick Peterson are. Seattle believes the defense is better overall when keeping Sherman on one side and leaning coverage away from him to help the other side, allowing the No. 2 corner to have help from safeties buzzing down from bracket coverage, generally reducing the amount of space a great receiver can utilize to beat him.



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BMac : 9/21/2016 6:04 pm : link
In comment 13134915 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Josh Norman isn't even the best CB in the division. DRC is.



Right, so I guess the rest of the league was wrong about DRC when he hit free agency? Cmon, look at the contracts the two players have. Norman is clearly better than DRC.




It sucks trying to get an honest discussion going when people just start their argument with the most absurd claims.

How do you discuss anything from that starting point. I love DRC and actually do think he's very underrated, but there's not a pundit or coach or anyone else associated with NFL outside of this board who would take DRC over Norman. It's just absurd.


Care to justify that statement, or is it only opinion?
Many theories  
oldog : 9/21/2016 6:30 pm : link
gain traction in academia, but fail in the lab. Ours is that any decent academic would realize that OBJ trashed this guy last year, but had a spot of bad luck and eventually went a bit over the top. Theirs is that he is for the ages but OBJ is trash. The theories will go into the lab on Sunday.
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arcarsenal : 9/21/2016 6:30 pm : link
In comment 13134889 Old Dirty Beckham said:
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Josh Norman isn't even the best CB in the division. DRC is.



Right, so I guess the rest of the league was wrong about DRC when he hit free agency? Cmon, look at the contracts the two players have. Norman is clearly better than DRC.


Are you new to the NFL? By your logic, Tavon Auston is better than Brandon Marshall because he makes more money.

Norman is not "clearly" better than DRC and if your only metric to go by is the contract he was given by the Redskins (because we all know they've never overpaid for anyone before...) then you're not paying attention.

Why didn't Carolina want Norman back? They literally had no issue whatsoever letting him walk away.
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arcarsenal : 9/21/2016 6:37 pm : link
In comment 13134915 Mike in Long Beach said:
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Josh Norman isn't even the best CB in the division. DRC is.



Right, so I guess the rest of the league was wrong about DRC when he hit free agency? Cmon, look at the contracts the two players have. Norman is clearly better than DRC.




It sucks trying to get an honest discussion going when people just start their argument with the most absurd claims.

How do you discuss anything from that starting point. I love DRC and actually do think he's very underrated, but there's not a pundit or coach or anyone else associated with NFL outside of this board who would take DRC over Norman. It's just absurd.


LOL, yes.. I am the one making the absurd claim. Not you who is calling PFF grades "facts"..

Can you prove that there's "not a pundit or coach or anyone else associated with the NFL" who would take DRC over Norman? Of course you can't.. but I'm the one who's making absurd claims.
Your lack of self-awareness is truly astonishing.

Norman is a good corner. He sure as hell isn't the best one in the league. Go watch some Cardinals games and tell me he's better than their top CB. He's not. His man coverage skills aren't good enough for him to deserve this rep. You'll realize it on Sunday when he tries to cover Beckham and gets roasted just like he did last year.
According to PFF...  
Chris in Philly : 9/21/2016 6:39 pm : link
Carson Wentz is also the best QB in the league. So...
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Giants,  
oldog : 9/21/2016 6:47 pm : link
have, not 1, not 2, but 3, better.
And for Carson Wentz,  
oldog : 9/21/2016 6:48 pm : link
another theory gaining traction. We will c..
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BigBlueShock : 9/21/2016 6:49 pm : link
In comment 13134660 Overseer said:
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He torched Norman last year. The only reason he was under 100 yards was because he dropped a sure TD on a play when he ran by Norman as if he were standing still.


Given what else went on in that game, I'm not sure torched is the right word, but Beckham and then Jones a week later were the "worst" 2 games Norman had last season.

Don't want to make it sound like I'm Team Norman because I hope he gets embarrassed on Sunday on the Giants' way to 3-0, but I do think he's a really good player. He makes some insanely athletic plays.

He barely covered Beckham and I'm sure he was rarely on Jones too. Can't give him credit if he's not covering guys, and in Carolina,mhe stayed on one side most of the time
Just so sick of this guy...  
trueblueinpw : 9/21/2016 6:51 pm : link
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RE: Who gives a fuck if Norman even blankets OBJ?  
shabu : 9/21/2016 7:21 pm : link
In comment 13134436 Big Blue '56 said:
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As long as it frees up VC and SS AND CO., i can live with that


yes indeedy !
I don't know any other way to put it...  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/21/2016 8:46 pm : link
[quote]LOL, yes.. I am the one making the absurd claim. Not you who is calling PFF grades "facts"..

Can you prove that there's "not a pundit or coach or anyone else associated with the NFL" who would take DRC over Norman? Of course you can't.. but I'm the one who's making absurd claims.
Your lack of self-awareness is truly astonishing.

Norman is a good corner. He sure as hell isn't the best one in the league. Go watch some Cardinals games and tell me he's better than their top CB. He's not. His man coverage skills aren't good enough for him to deserve this rep. You'll realize it on Sunday when he tries to cover Beckham and gets roasted just like he did last year.
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If you're taking DRC over Norman, simply put, you aren't worth discussing football with. It's an idiotic thought.
PFF and Josh Norman  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/21/2016 8:55 pm : link
Two things that get shit on a little too often on BBI.

PFF isn't nonsense and Norman isn't some system made JAG. But PFF grades still have like a 70% accuracy in my eyes and that's for an entire seasons worth of data. We're talking about 2 games here, April baseball stats are always taken with a grain of salt and baseball stats are a lot better than football grades. Norman has had 7 passes thrown in his direction I believe.

I like the fact that you made this "lose-lose" thread because i do think it's noteworthy that he's grades so highly despite being trashed by the public for not taking on the Antonio Brown challenge and only switching to Dez late.

But 2 games and PFF doesn't mean much. I think he's susceptible to being beaten over the top. Odell did it to him last year and DeSean was doing it in practice often according to the reports. Can't wait to see it.
RE: I don't know any other way to put it...  
arcarsenal : 9/21/2016 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13135060 Mike in Long Beach said:
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[quote]LOL, yes.. I am the one making the absurd claim. Not you who is calling PFF grades "facts"..

Can you prove that there's "not a pundit or coach or anyone else associated with the NFL" who would take DRC over Norman? Of course you can't.. but I'm the one who's making absurd claims.
Your lack of self-awareness is truly astonishing.

Norman is a good corner. He sure as hell isn't the best one in the league. Go watch some Cardinals games and tell me he's better than their top CB. He's not. His man coverage skills aren't good enough for him to deserve this rep. You'll realize it on Sunday when he tries to cover Beckham and gets roasted just like he did last year.
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If you're taking DRC over Norman, simply put, you aren't worth discussing football with. It's an idiotic thought.


I'd love to hear you elaborate on why it's an "idiotic" thought.

Because PFF told you it is?

Josh Norman doesn't do the things that elite CB's do. You literally came here today and said "PFF says Norman is the best corner in the NFL so he is"

Doesn't mean I think he's a bad player, doesn't mean he sucks. If you're running the type of system Carolina or Washington runs, he's a good fit in those systems. To me, if you're not locking players down 1 on 1 and can't run with the best WR's in the game, you don't deserve to be called the best CB in the game nor do you belong in the conversation.

A guy who has spent most of his time dropping into a Cover 3 doesn't deserve the rep people like you give him.

I've seen DRC man up on top tier WR's and shut them down. Is he still in his prime? Maybe not. But he's an elite athlete with legit coverage ability. He's not a system guy. He thrived in Denver as a cover corner, he's also done it here. He was miscast in Philly.

I can't say I've ever seen Josh Norman lock up man to man on a top tier WR for 4 quarters and hold him down. Have you? He brags about the stat lines he "held" guys like Jones and Hopkins to but he was only covering them when they were running routes in his area.

If the Redskins are going to shift their approach and let him shadow Beckham on Sunday I can promise you it won't be pretty for him and you'll see exactly what I mean. His only saving grace might be the fact that Breeland sucks so much that Shepard will probably have a field day against him.
Mike, Norman's had 1 good season to his name  
David in LA : 9/21/2016 9:21 pm : link
The one clear advantage Norman has over DRC is that he isn't quite as injury prone as DRC, and he's more physical at jamming up WR's. It's not a silly notion that some would prefer DRC over Norman.
Find me anyone outside of BBI  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/21/2016 9:32 pm : link
I'm not even engaging in this. It's downright absurd. If any non-Giant fan stumbled upon this place and saw people saying DRC is better the would get quite a laugh.
I'm guessing this is the play against Vincent Jackson  
ghost718 : 9/21/2016 9:35 pm : link


and another against Hilton



You guys can hate him all you want,but he's a good player.
Brian Mitchell thinks Norman shut ...  
Boy Cord : 9/21/2016 9:36 pm : link
... ODB down last year. He also commented how the Panthers beat the Giants and that all the Giants can do now is talk trash to Norman because they got beat.

Looking at the bigger picture, he conveniently forgot that the Giants gave Carolina all they could handle while DC got violated by the same team. Vi. O. La. Ted.

This game can't get here quick enough. I may need to take a four-day weekend and pop enough ambien to wake up at kickoff.
RE: Find me anyone outside of BBI  
arcarsenal : 9/21/2016 9:42 pm : link
In comment 13135121 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I'm not even engaging in this. It's downright absurd. If any non-Giant fan stumbled upon this place and saw people saying DRC is better the would get quite a laugh.


You're not engaging it because you can't come up with anything to counter on your own. You're ridiculously transparent and getting hung up on something that isn't even vital to the conversation.

You think he's the best CB in the league because PFF says so. Forget DRC, Mike.. explain to me what sets Josh Norman apart from Patrick Peterson or why he's better than Chris Harris Jr or Richard Sherman. In your words, tell me what he does better.
I just hope OBJ does not get baited  
EricJ : 9/21/2016 10:24 pm : link
into retaliating this time
RE: I don't know any other way to put it...  
chopperhatch : 9/22/2016 12:30 am : link
In comment 13135060 Mike in Long Beach said:
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[quote]LOL, yes.. I am the one making the absurd claim. Not you who is calling PFF grades "facts"..

Can you prove that there's "not a pundit or coach or anyone else associated with the NFL" who would take DRC over Norman? Of course you can't.. but I'm the one who's making absurd claims.
Your lack of self-awareness is truly astonishing.

Norman is a good corner. He sure as hell isn't the best one in the league. Go watch some Cardinals games and tell me he's better than their top CB. He's not. His man coverage skills aren't good enough for him to deserve this rep. You'll realize it on Sunday when he tries to cover Beckham and gets roasted just like he did last year.
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If you're taking DRC over Norman, simply put, you aren't worth discussing football with. It's an idiotic thought.


The reason why people dismiss your dumb ass posts and you as a poster is because you make flippant, antagonistic, irresponsible statements like this. All the while quoting a rag like PFF.

Your original post is such a "look at me" piece of shit attempt at trying to gain empathy for your dumb ass comments, it just furthered the cause that Mike in Long Beach is a punk and a schmuck.

Nice work Mike.
RE: RE: Who gives a fuck if Norman even blankets OBJ?  
NINEster : 9/22/2016 2:16 am : link
In comment 13134444 Victor in CT said:
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As long as it frees up VC and SS AND CO., i can live with that



thank you. why are there 3 threads on this dooshbag? who gives a fuck? He's famous because the Giants best player was too immature to be satisfied simply to do his job and torch the asshole and help win a game.


To be fair, I remember back here on BBI when Richard Sherman taunted Tom Brady post game people literally asking "WTF is Richard Sherman?".

Between that and the Crabtree incident in the NFC Championship game a year later, a decent percentage of a top CB's hype is the trash talk they bring. If Sherman never did those two things he'd still be good, but the perception wouldn't be quite as good.
Jury is still out on how good  
NINEster : 9/22/2016 2:25 am : link
Norman really is.

Unfortunately the Beckham incident has made Giants' fans not as objective in their view of him just like Niner fans and Richard Sherman. It's just reality.

Both CBs play one side, both have great supporting personnel and coaching. A lot of similarities there. Carolina might have had a better front 7 than the Seahawks but their secondary was never quite as good as the Earl Thomas/Kam Chancellor combo (combined with Pete Carroll's cover 3 scheme). In critical pass rushing situations, the Michael Bennett/Cliff Avril combo was probably better than Greg Hardy and their other DE.

Sherman always got benefit of the doubt while Norman hasn't.

Another thing Norman has going over Sherman was that he was never accused of the subtle illegal contact the Seahawks had gotten away with years ago and might still be doing now.

Joe Haden never had anywhere near the level of support of these other guys in Cleveland, so maybe people should be talking him up as the best CB in the game right now.

Really a silly thing to get worked up on, because the issue of whether a CB is shutdown or not doesn't change a whole lot in the grand scheme of how good a defense really is.

RE: Find me anyone outside of BBI  
David in LA : 9/22/2016 2:26 am : link
In comment 13135121 Mike in Long Beach said:
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I'm not even engaging in this. It's downright absurd. If any non-Giant fan stumbled upon this place and saw people saying DRC is better the would get quite a laugh.


Why did Carolina show little effort in retaining his services? They thought he was good, but certainly not worth the price tag. They had the space to at least retain him for the money earmarked for the franchise tag. They let him go without wanting any compensation.
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chopperhatch : 9/22/2016 2:45 am : link
In comment 13135431 David in LA said:
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I'm not even engaging in this. It's downright absurd. If any non-Giant fan stumbled upon this place and saw people saying DRC is better the would get quite a laugh.



Why did Carolina show little effort in retaining his services? They thought he was good, but certainly not worth the price tag. They had the space to at least retain him for the money earmarked for the franchise tag. They let him go without wanting any compensation.


Engaging the kid in real discourse is an exercise in futility. He probably still has a subscription to MAXIM.
This thread is the most embarassing engagement  
adamg : 9/22/2016 2:50 am : link
in self-aggrandizing, ex post facto one-upmanship I've ever seen.

To enact such hypocrisy, contradictory logic, and brute stupidity upon a group of people with such ferocity and indignation is actually a kind of accomplishment.

Mike, you said Norman was good before PFF did. You called it! You're such a fucking hipster genius, I'm in awe. Thank you for correcting all us wee BBIers in our ignorance of your greatness and that of the greatness of the PFF champion of the secondary: Josh Norman. Can we proceed with not being pretentious little fucks now, who nitpick and self-congratulate every other post?
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David in LA : 9/22/2016 2:54 am : link
In comment 13135436 chopperhatch said:
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I'm not even engaging in this. It's downright absurd. If any non-Giant fan stumbled upon this place and saw people saying DRC is better the would get quite a laugh.



Why did Carolina show little effort in retaining his services? They thought he was good, but certainly not worth the price tag. They had the space to at least retain him for the money earmarked for the franchise tag. They let him go without wanting any compensation.



Engaging the kid in real discourse is an exercise in futility. He probably still has a subscription to MAXIM.


LMAO
RE: Jury is still out on how good  
chopperhatch : 9/22/2016 2:57 am : link
In comment 13135430 NINEster said:
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Norman really is.

Unfortunately the Beckham incident has made Giants' fans not as objective in their view of him just like Niner fans and Richard Sherman. It's just reality.

Both CBs play one side, both have great supporting personnel and coaching. A lot of similarities there. Carolina might have had a better front 7 than the Seahawks but their secondary was never quite as good as the Earl Thomas/Kam Chancellor combo (combined with Pete Carroll's cover 3 scheme). In critical pass rushing situations, the Michael Bennett/Cliff Avril combo was probably better than Greg Hardy and their other DE.

Sherman always got benefit of the doubt while Norman hasn't.

Another thing Norman has going over Sherman was that he was never accused of the subtle illegal contact the Seahawks had gotten away with years ago and might still be doing now.

Joe Haden never had anywhere near the level of support of these other guys in Cleveland, so maybe people should be talking him up as the best CB in the game right now.

Really a silly thing to get worked up on, because the issue of whether a CB is shutdown or not doesn't change a whole lot in the grand scheme of how good a defense really is.


Interesting question about the better front 7, CAR vs. SEA. At first I thpught SEA hands down, but Carolina had the better DT in Lotulelei. Still, Mebane was not much of a drop off. While I still think the Hawks with Irvin as SAM was the better unit, the Panthers are right behind them with Thompson there.

At the end of the day, I think both Norman and Sherman are very overrated...and ODB owned both of them despite being the number one focus of the offense.

And as for Fast Eddie's fuck-up, I absolutely think DRC, Revis (although this year that might not be the case), and Aquib Talib are better than either Sherman or Norman. Joe Haden too.
RE: This thread is the most embarassing engagement  
chopperhatch : 9/22/2016 3:01 am : link
In comment 13135437 adamg said:
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in self-aggrandizing, ex post facto one-upmanship I've ever seen.

To enact such hypocrisy, contradictory logic, and brute stupidity upon a group of people with such ferocity and indignation is actually a kind of accomplishment.

Mike, you said Norman was good before PFF did. You called it! You're such a fucking hipster genius, I'm in awe. Thank you for correcting all us wee BBIers in our ignorance of your greatness and that of the greatness of the PFF champion of the secondary: Josh Norman. Can we proceed with not being pretentious little fucks now, who nitpick and self-congratulate every other post?


Winner for post with the most nouns that end with "y" goes to adamg

PS- if you called him a pussy, you would have set the bar a little higher.

😉
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adamg : 9/22/2016 3:18 am : link
In comment 13135441 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13135437 adamg said:


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in self-aggrandizing, ex post facto one-upmanship I've ever seen.

To enact such hypocrisy, contradictory logic, and brute stupidity upon a group of people with such ferocity and indignation is actually a kind of accomplishment.

Mike, you said Norman was good before PFF did. You called it! You're such a fucking hipster genius, I'm in awe. Thank you for correcting all us wee BBIers in our ignorance of your greatness and that of the greatness of the PFF champion of the secondary: Josh Norman. Can we proceed with not being pretentious little fucks now, who nitpick and self-congratulate every other post?



Winner for post with the most nouns that end with "y" goes to adamg

PS- if you called him a pussy, you would have set the bar a little higher.

😉


All the time I spent on that and I forget to add 'pussy'...

He's the best crier in the league.  
Geomon : 9/22/2016 3:48 am : link
Just look at his little puss face:



I hope we get him to cry harder than that. Now that he has Perry Fewell teaching him everything he knows, it's going to be even sweeter to expose this jackass as the loudmouth fucking weasel that he is.
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chopperhatch : 9/22/2016 3:58 am : link
In comment 13135443 adamg said:
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In comment 13135437 adamg said:


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in self-aggrandizing, ex post facto one-upmanship I've ever seen.

To enact such hypocrisy, contradictory logic, and brute stupidity upon a group of people with such ferocity and indignation is actually a kind of accomplishment.

Mike, you said Norman was good before PFF did. You called it! You're such a fucking hipster genius, I'm in awe. Thank you for correcting all us wee BBIers in our ignorance of your greatness and that of the greatness of the PFF champion of the secondary: Josh Norman. Can we proceed with not being pretentious little fucks now, who nitpick and self-congratulate every other post?



Winner for post with the most nouns that end with "y" goes to adamg

PS- if you called him a pussy, you would have set the bar a little higher.

😉



All the time I spent on that and I forget to add 'pussy'...



Lol.....you need to surrender to the flow.
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Gatorade Dunk : 9/22/2016 7:43 am : link
In comment 13134486 Mike in Long Beach said:
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But I also enjoy being impartial, and it can be bang-head-on-desk bad here when it comes to BBIers giving credit where it's due for players on the Skins, Cowboys, and Eagles.

Be careful with banging your head on your desk; you might knock over your dolls.
RE: Jury is still out on how good  
arcarsenal : 9/22/2016 8:13 am : link
In comment 13135430 NINEster said:
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Norman really is.

Unfortunately the Beckham incident has made Giants' fans not as objective in their view of him just like Niner fans and Richard Sherman. It's just reality.

Both CBs play one side, both have great supporting personnel and coaching. A lot of similarities there. Carolina might have had a better front 7 than the Seahawks but their secondary was never quite as good as the Earl Thomas/Kam Chancellor combo (combined with Pete Carroll's cover 3 scheme). In critical pass rushing situations, the Michael Bennett/Cliff Avril combo was probably better than Greg Hardy and their other DE.

Sherman always got benefit of the doubt while Norman hasn't.

Another thing Norman has going over Sherman was that he was never accused of the subtle illegal contact the Seahawks had gotten away with years ago and might still be doing now.

Joe Haden never had anywhere near the level of support of these other guys in Cleveland, so maybe people should be talking him up as the best CB in the game right now.

Really a silly thing to get worked up on, because the issue of whether a CB is shutdown or not doesn't change a whole lot in the grand scheme of how good a defense really is.


Sherman is a similar corner scheme/responsibility-wise but last year they really had no one on the other side. Cary Williams was there for a chunk of the season and sucked. Sherman was asked to do more and they had him travel and cover top WR's more often and he did a pretty good job. He did cover Antonio Brown unlike Norman and Brown finished that day with 6 catches for just 51 yards.

Norman is going to try to do the same thing this Sunday if you believe what's coming out of DC.. I have a feeling he won't fare quite as well.
Norman's career has been..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/22/2016 8:42 am : link
- a rookie season where he played well at times and bad at others (like one would expect from a rookie). He was benched in week 14 for the remainder of the year

- a sophomore season where he played in 5 games and was inactive for 7 games

- a 3rd season that saw the Panthers change from a man-to-man scheme to a zone. Norman started the year as a backup, but became a start in week 8 and played well

- a 4th season where he was considered a top CB in the league.

People acting as if this guy has been great consistently conveniently overlook the fact that he has had really just one good season - a season in zone coverage with the best LB's in the league in front of him.
I love these kind of threads with Mike.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 9/22/2016 9:06 am : link
Always claims there's no valid counter arg because he's ignoring it.

Sticks to his guns and the only fact he accepts is the pff grade. He accepts this as a fact because an article states nfl teams use pff. The article is unclear whether these teams use the raw data or flawed rating system but he ignores that too.

The guy is good but not the best. There's a very logical and coherent argument stated by several posters when you look at his history as a player and the scheme he played in last season.

RE: He's the best crier in the league.  
Giants_ROK : 9/22/2016 9:13 am : link
In comment 13135446 Geomon said:
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Just look at his little puss face:



I hope we get him to cry harder than that. Now that he has Perry Fewell teaching him everything he knows, it's going to be even sweeter to expose this jackass as the loudmouth fucking weasel that he is.

This is a very good omen. Just this morning, I saw a Siberian weasel while I was climbing a local mountain. Giants win big on Sunday.
Mike  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/22/2016 12:39 pm : link
Is the troll of trolls.
RE: Norman is objectively a better CB than Asomugha  
shabu : 9/22/2016 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13134502 Overseer said:
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moreover, Nnamdi was on the wrong side of 30 when he came to Philly which partly explains why he seemed to regress. Even Revis isn't Revis anymore.

Norman is extremely athletic and reads QBs well. I can't post the gif right now, but someone find the one where he, body all contorted, at the last second deflects the ball thrown to Vincent Jackson.

No one's saying he's Darrell Green, but it's fairly obvious some are loathe to admit that he's a really good corner merely because he was a big meanie to Beckham. Would definitely prefer he had stayed outside the NFC East.


Agreed.

If we dug up the thread(s) when Norman was released from NC and before he signed with Washington there were many here who were like "sign him"...



Shabu, where were the many?  
David in LA : 9/22/2016 1:37 pm : link
Here's the thread when the Panthers rescinded the tag. Going through the thread, Mike in Long Beach was confused then, and still confused now. Gee, FEK, if there's no benefit for rescinding the tag, why did they do it?
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I would not have signed him  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 1:40 pm : link
I'd sign a thousand Josh Browns first.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bet that rating would be a whole lot different had he covered  
B in ALB : 9/22/2016 1:40 pm : link
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In comment 13134486 Mike in Long Beach said:


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But I also enjoy being impartial, and it can be bang-head-on-desk bad here when it comes to BBIers giving credit where it's due for players on the Skins, Cowboys, and Eagles.


Be careful with banging your head on your desk; you might knock over your dolls.



hahahahaha.
RE: Shabu, where were the many?  
arcarsenal : 9/22/2016 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13136072 David in LA said:
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Here's the thread when the Panthers rescinded the tag. Going through the thread, Mike in Long Beach was confused then, and still confused now. Gee, FEK, if there's no benefit for rescinding the tag, why did they do it? Link - ( New Window )


Fekker isn't the only one who is confused..

radar in April...

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system
chris r : 4/21/2016 6:22 am : link
player who will go the Nnamdi Asomugha route when not in the system. Except he's a giant asshole too.


radar in September playing his favorite role...

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If Norman wasn't good
chris r : 9/21/2016 3:48 pm : link : reply
and the Skins always double the other guy, why wouldn't teams always line their best receiver across from Norman to get single coverage?


LMAO  
David in LA : 9/22/2016 1:54 pm : link
I wonder what changed in 4-5 months for Radar?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Bet that rating would be a whole lot different had he covered  
Mike in Long Beach : 9/22/2016 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13135478 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13134486 Mike in Long Beach said:


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But I also enjoy being impartial, and it can be bang-head-on-desk bad here when it comes to BBIers giving credit where it's due for players on the Skins, Cowboys, and Eagles.


Be careful with banging your head on your desk; you might knock over your dolls.


They're replica figurines!
Not for nothing but Batiatus was playing with his doll  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 2:04 pm : link
in this week's AoS.

And I don't blame him one bit.
RE: Not for nothing but Batiatus was playing with his doll  
BMac : 9/22/2016 2:08 pm : link
In comment 13136136 Bill L said:
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in this week's AoS.

And I don't blame him one bit.


Sounds like a euphemism.
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christian : 9/22/2016 2:41 pm : link
I must have missed the big contingent of people claiming Norman isn't a good player.

It's pretty easy to conflate overrated, overpaid, overexposed, and annoying with sucking, but I don't think anyone is saying that.

Can't he be a good player and all the other things?
RE: RE: Shabu, where were the many?  
Giants in 07 : 9/22/2016 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13136106 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13136072 David in LA said:


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Here's the thread when the Panthers rescinded the tag. Going through the thread, Mike in Long Beach was confused then, and still confused now. Gee, FEK, if there's no benefit for rescinding the tag, why did they do it? Link - ( New Window )



Fekker isn't the only one who is confused..

radar in April...



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system
chris r : 4/21/2016 6:22 am : link
player who will go the Nnamdi Asomugha route when not in the system. Except he's a giant asshole too.



radar in September playing his favorite role...



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If Norman wasn't good
chris r : 9/21/2016 3:48 pm : link : reply
and the Skins always double the other guy, why wouldn't teams always line their best receiver across from Norman to get single coverage?



Hahaha this is great
RE: RE: RE: Shabu, where were the many?  
santacruzom : 9/22/2016 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13136237 Giants in 07 said:
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In comment 13136106 arcarsenal said:


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In comment 13136072 David in LA said:


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Here's the thread when the Panthers rescinded the tag. Going through the thread, Mike in Long Beach was confused then, and still confused now. Gee, FEK, if there's no benefit for rescinding the tag, why did they do it? Link - ( New Window )



Fekker isn't the only one who is confused..

radar in April...



Quote:


system
chris r : 4/21/2016 6:22 am : link
player who will go the Nnamdi Asomugha route when not in the system. Except he's a giant asshole too.



radar in September playing his favorite role...



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If Norman wasn't good
chris r : 9/21/2016 3:48 pm : link : reply
and the Skins always double the other guy, why wouldn't teams always line their best receiver across from Norman to get single coverage?



Hahaha this is great




To be fair, that actually could have just been a legitimate question... why don't teams just put their best player on Norman when he's si...

...never mind, I can't do it.
the acronym for pff...  
Torrag : 9/22/2016 4:21 pm : link
...should be officially changed to LOL.
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