if he was legally or illegally carrying. Something provoked their suspicion (some believe because he was black) and they apparently saw a weapon and ordered him to drop it.
A police officer has full authority to ask anyone carry a gun, even legally, to drop their weapon for any reason them deem fit.
“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.
In a real sense nonviolence seeks to redeem the spiritual and moral lag that I spoke of earlier as the chief dilemma of modern man. It seeks to secure moral ends through moral means. Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. Indeed, it is a weapon unique in history, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it.
I believe in this method because I think it is the only way to reestablish a broken community. It is the method which seeks to implement the just law by appealing to the conscience of the great decent majority who through blindness, fear, pride, and irrationality have allowed their consciences to sleep.
The nonviolent resisters can summarize their message in the following simple terms: we will take direct action against injustice despite the failure of governmental and other official agencies to act first. We will not obey unjust laws or submit to unjust practices. We will do this peacefully, openly, cheerfully because our aim is to persuade. We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself. We will try to persuade with our words, but if our words fail, we will try to persuade with our acts. We will always be willing to talk and seek fair compromise, but we are ready to suffer when necessary and even risk our lives to become witnesses to truth as we see it.”
-- Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. 1964
Man was ahead of his time, could use some leaders like that today.
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
Seriously? You think they are protesting because protesting is cool? And then two posts below this comment you ask rhetorically, where are the protesters in Chicago? I have no idea what your point is and I'm pretty confident you don't either.
Protesting is a way to achieve a right. Civil Rights,ETC.
What right are they achieving? Bad Police? White on Black injustice? Please explain to me Why its necessary to Riot over this? Because the Media wants you too.
IF the Rioters and Looters win what do they win? Are they running a Candidate for Police Chief? Mayor? President?
Are we to abolish the Police Forces and Let the Citizens fend for themselves? (Chicago)? Please explain to me what the protest want to achieve? Civil Rights, Sex Revolution Gay Rights how did they achieve their goals? They took part in the Government around them. So when are the next anti police politicians running?
They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
so all of the people who came from out of state were subsidized by Soros? It couldn't have been that many of them believed--rightly or wrongly-- that there is a pattern in the shooting of black men by police?
Personally, in terms of the Charlotte shooting, it's going to be extremely difficult to convince me that the cops couldn't have de-escalated by moving to a distance, while the victim was still in the car, or by tasering him.
Everything I read suggests to me that in a very large number of police departments, training in de-escalation and non-lethal techniques are underutilized parts of community policing.
when this all went down. The common feeling there is that this was all escalated by out of staters. It was an almost universal feeling. I argued with many when they kept bringing this up, because most of them pointed to the northern states as being the culprit. I was told that they don't have these issues in Charlotte and they know how to deal with problems without violence. I chalked it up to just good ole southern resentment to the north, but who knows. I haven't seen the data on the arrests, but maybe they had a point. Spending some more time in the south recently, it sure seems like people get along much better, within the racial divides. I'm not saying they don't have their issues as well, and I still think it's ludicrous to blame the outside world, but if that 70% number is accurate, that's crazy.
Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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Open carrying and brandishing a firearm are two different things.
Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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Ran his plates? I don't know for sure in this instance, but you may be surprised at how many people get their plates run on a daily basis. Considering the situation, is it really surprising if they called in a plate check and found he was a convicted felon?
Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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Legal or not is irrelevant. Even if you are carrying a legal gun and the police order you to drop it and you refuse to do so after multiple orders they will view you as a threat.
Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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They witnessed drugs and a gun-a big no no. I'll post a press release in a second.
Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
It depends how people came into this thinking. With many, they make their minds up before any facts come out, then try to defend their initial thoughts at all costs. Truth be damned. If someone decided initially that the cops killed a black man without reason, they will always feel that way. No matter what comes out.
Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
Holy whack-a-doodle!
Stop with the "wackadoodle" stuff just because it doesn't fit your narrative. Its all over the news. I linked a video from the Charlotte police.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters
Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.
“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"
It's almost impossible to say that this was anything other than police doing their job with a lot of restraint and proper procedure, even to go as far as putting police vests on.
However, anyone who lumps this event with that of Tulsa from either side to bolster their own arguments are still assholes. That one was a total fuckup on the female officer. This one was an unfortunate case of a police officer doing what he had to do based on the continued and apparent threat.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.
Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.
Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?
I'm with you. While there's a chance that what was reported may have not been 100% truthful, to automatically accuse them of lying seems to be extremely cynical to the point of conspiracy theory seeking.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.
Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.
Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?
No matter the evidence some people refuse to change their opinion when police are involved. Im not surprised at his position even after everything was released.
Veteran who deployed once, never fired weapon, now expert on police use of force
THE INTERNET — Army veteran Ryan Smith, who deployed once to Iraq in 2011 and never fired his weapon in anger, has now transferred these experiences into critiquing police use of force within the United States on social media, sources confirm.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
Holy crap Gary!! That is all I can say.
My first response on this thread.
Just what are your credentials and education to make such a statement?
What is your knowledge of criminal investigations and what procedures must be followed before the Chief of a major city and county could make that statement under the review of the federal attorney general and the states attorneys general offices?
You truly don't think that an African American Police Chief with the eyes of the nation on him just shot off from the hip?
With all due respect, you're an idiot for making that statement.
Pretty concerning the police caved to the mob mentality Â
Releasing the videos only makes sense from the standpoint of potentially stopping rioting. Decisions on whether the officers made a huge mistake or no mistakes or should be charged should not be done in the court of public opinion.
Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
Holy whack-a-doodle!
Nice try but I never posted that.
I dare you to find it not highlighted in yellow
Wacko
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
This sidewalk was turned into a memorial of sorts, with the names of various black people killed by the police. The name in the foreground, Dahir Adan, is the guy who went on a stabbing rampage through a mall in Minnesota. Outstanding work there.
Just so you know, "hitting a nerve" can fall into at least two categories.
There's the "someone just posted an uncomfortable truth" category.
And then there is the "oh my god, that comment is fucking nuts" category.
Your comment falls nicely and comfortably into the latter. Knowing that you think it falls into the former just turns a few more stomachs, or hits a few more nerves.
I'm not saying anyone is lying
Gary from The East End : Admin : 9/24/2016 9:44 pm : link : reply
I'm saying that the official report of a police chief in this type of situation is essentially worthless.
What the fuck? It isn't just the report. It is the whole series of events. They have the recording of the officers calling in the incident before it escalated. Two plainsclothed officers were in a car waiting to serve a warrant and Scott pulled up next to them, rolled a joint and had a gun in his hand.
They backed the car out, called for backup, and reapproached his vehicle. The call for backup is recorded.
From day one, the police chief has maintained that his officers had reasonable cause, he's admitted that videos don't show the totality of the situation.
It is one thing to think that things aren't as reported, but to insinuate that the report is worthless is just an idiotic take.
Seem to match up pretty well from what I can tell. And unlike the family members account of what happened, the police account of what happened has been pretty consistent since this was first reported.
PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters
Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.
“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"
I am so sick of this crap, from both sides.
Oh, so you mean Soros isn't secretly building up an army of professional protesters on his payroll that he flies around from state to state?
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.
Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.
Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?
No matter the evidence some people refuse to change their opinion when police are involved. Im not surprised at his position even after everything was released.
PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters
Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.
“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"
I am so sick of this crap, from both sides.
Oh, so you mean Soros isn't secretly building up an army of professional protesters on his payroll that he flies around from state to state?
Two points for my response. First, the spokesman for the police exaggerated/lied about the 70% stat. After this being pointed out to me I rescinded the comment. How was I supposed to know he was outright lying? Second, Soros has given at least $33 million in one year to support already-established groups that emboldened the grass-roots, on-the-ground activists in Ferguson. This is according to the most recent tax filings of his nonprofit Open Society Foundations. So yes, he is indirectly funding the groups that apply protesters to all these events. There are groups orchestrating things behind the scenes in most of these events.
Sounds like they were there to serve a warrant to someone else unrelated to this man.
He is sitting in his truck waiting for his kid.
How do they end up interacting with each other and ordering him out of the vehicle, any know?
A police officer has full authority to ask anyone carry a gun, even legally, to drop their weapon for any reason them deem fit.
There's a lot of facts missing.
“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.
In a real sense nonviolence seeks to redeem the spiritual and moral lag that I spoke of earlier as the chief dilemma of modern man. It seeks to secure moral ends through moral means. Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. Indeed, it is a weapon unique in history, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it.
I believe in this method because I think it is the only way to reestablish a broken community. It is the method which seeks to implement the just law by appealing to the conscience of the great decent majority who through blindness, fear, pride, and irrationality have allowed their consciences to sleep.
The nonviolent resisters can summarize their message in the following simple terms: we will take direct action against injustice despite the failure of governmental and other official agencies to act first. We will not obey unjust laws or submit to unjust practices. We will do this peacefully, openly, cheerfully because our aim is to persuade. We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself. We will try to persuade with our words, but if our words fail, we will try to persuade with our acts. We will always be willing to talk and seek fair compromise, but we are ready to suffer when necessary and even risk our lives to become witnesses to truth as we see it.”
-- Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. 1964
Man was ahead of his time, could use some leaders like that today.
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Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
Seriously? You think they are protesting because protesting is cool? And then two posts below this comment you ask rhetorically, where are the protesters in Chicago? I have no idea what your point is and I'm pretty confident you don't either.
Protesting is a way to achieve a right. Civil Rights,ETC.
What right are they achieving? Bad Police? White on Black injustice? Please explain to me Why its necessary to Riot over this? Because the Media wants you too.
IF the Rioters and Looters win what do they win? Are they running a Candidate for Police Chief? Mayor? President?
Are we to abolish the Police Forces and Let the Citizens fend for themselves? (Chicago)? Please explain to me what the protest want to achieve? Civil Rights, Sex Revolution Gay Rights how did they achieve their goals? They took part in the Government around them. So when are the next anti police politicians running?
They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
Personally, in terms of the Charlotte shooting, it's going to be extremely difficult to convince me that the cops couldn't have de-escalated by moving to a distance, while the victim was still in the car, or by tasering him.
Everything I read suggests to me that in a very large number of police departments, training in de-escalation and non-lethal techniques are underutilized parts of community policing.
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It isn't just the Charlotte protests, most of them are backed by paid, out of state, protesters.
A little misleading. You cant really make out if anything is in his hands.
Witnesses said he had something in his hands, a book.
Police say he had a gun.
A gun was recovered with his dna and prints on it
No book was recovered.
He also had an ankle holster and in the video it looked to me like his pant leg was pulled up slightly...
That body cam is very inconclusive. No way of telling much of anything definitive.
People will see what they want to see with this.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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Open carrying and brandishing a firearm are two different things.
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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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Ran his plates? I don't know for sure in this instance, but you may be surprised at how many people get their plates run on a daily basis. Considering the situation, is it really surprising if they called in a plate check and found he was a convicted felon?
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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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Legal or not is irrelevant. Even if you are carrying a legal gun and the police order you to drop it and you refuse to do so after multiple orders they will view you as a threat.
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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.
“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.
Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?
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They witnessed drugs and a gun-a big no no. I'll post a press release in a second.
Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
Holy whack-a-doodle!
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
It depends how people came into this thinking. With many, they make their minds up before any facts come out, then try to defend their initial thoughts at all costs. Truth be damned. If someone decided initially that the cops killed a black man without reason, they will always feel that way. No matter what comes out.
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Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
Holy whack-a-doodle!
Stop with the "wackadoodle" stuff just because it doesn't fit your narrative. Its all over the news. I linked a video from the Charlotte police.
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I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
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PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters
Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.
“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"
I am so sick of this crap, from both sides.
However, anyone who lumps this event with that of Tulsa from either side to bolster their own arguments are still assholes. That one was a total fuckup on the female officer. This one was an unfortunate case of a police officer doing what he had to do based on the continued and apparent threat.
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Thanks for posting that.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.
Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.
Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?
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Thanks for posting that.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.
Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.
Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?
No matter the evidence some people refuse to change their opinion when police are involved. Im not surprised at his position even after everything was released.
THE INTERNET — Army veteran Ryan Smith, who deployed once to Iraq in 2011 and never fired his weapon in anger, has now transferred these experiences into critiquing police use of force within the United States on social media, sources confirm.
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Fool me once....
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Thanks for posting that.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
Holy crap Gary!! That is all I can say.
My first response on this thread.
Just what are your credentials and education to make such a statement?
What is your knowledge of criminal investigations and what procedures must be followed before the Chief of a major city and county could make that statement under the review of the federal attorney general and the states attorneys general offices?
You truly don't think that an African American Police Chief with the eyes of the nation on him just shot off from the hip?
With all due respect, you're an idiot for making that statement.
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In comment 13138218 shelovesnycsports said:
Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
Holy whack-a-doodle!
Nice try but I never posted that.
I dare you to find it not highlighted in yellow
Wacko
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
THIS IS WHAT I POSTED.
Must have hit a nerve
This sidewalk was turned into a memorial of sorts, with the names of various black people killed by the police. The name in the foreground, Dahir Adan, is the guy who went on a stabbing rampage through a mall in Minnesota. Outstanding work there.
There's the "someone just posted an uncomfortable truth" category.
And then there is the "oh my god, that comment is fucking nuts" category.
Your comment falls nicely and comfortably into the latter. Knowing that you think it falls into the former just turns a few more stomachs, or hits a few more nerves.
Gary from The East End : Admin : 9/24/2016 9:44 pm : link : reply
I'm saying that the official report of a police chief in this type of situation is essentially worthless.
What the fuck? It isn't just the report. It is the whole series of events. They have the recording of the officers calling in the incident before it escalated. Two plainsclothed officers were in a car waiting to serve a warrant and Scott pulled up next to them, rolled a joint and had a gun in his hand.
They backed the car out, called for backup, and reapproached his vehicle. The call for backup is recorded.
From day one, the police chief has maintained that his officers had reasonable cause, he's admitted that videos don't show the totality of the situation.
It is one thing to think that things aren't as reported, but to insinuate that the report is worthless is just an idiotic take.
Seem to match up pretty well from what I can tell. And unlike the family members account of what happened, the police account of what happened has been pretty consistent since this was first reported.
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PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters
Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.
“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"
I am so sick of this crap, from both sides.
Oh, so you mean Soros isn't secretly building up an army of professional protesters on his payroll that he flies around from state to state?
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In comment 13138989 Gary from The East End said:
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In comment 13138976 steve in ky said:
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Thanks for posting that.
I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.
I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.
Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.
Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?
No matter the evidence some people refuse to change their opinion when police are involved. Im not surprised at his position even after everything was released.
Pot, meet Kettle.
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In comment 13138985 GiantFilthy said:
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PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters
Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.
“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"
I am so sick of this crap, from both sides.
Oh, so you mean Soros isn't secretly building up an army of professional protesters on his payroll that he flies around from state to state?
Two points for my response. First, the spokesman for the police exaggerated/lied about the 70% stat. After this being pointed out to me I rescinded the comment. How was I supposed to know he was outright lying? Second, Soros has given at least $33 million in one year to support already-established groups that emboldened the grass-roots, on-the-ground activists in Ferguson. This is according to the most recent tax filings of his nonprofit Open Society Foundations. So yes, he is indirectly funding the groups that apply protesters to all these events. There are groups orchestrating things behind the scenes in most of these events.
He documented gave 650k recently to BLM, he and his foundation denied it, but then hackers revealed the truth.
Hackers may be criminal, but these days I trust them much more than the MSM or even most people.
He documented gave 650k recently to BLM, he and his foundation denied it, but then hackers revealed the truth.
Hackers may be criminal, but these days I trust them much more than the MSM or even most people.
And the Koch brothers slated $889 million for political spending for 2016. What's the point here.
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absolutely funds and encourages the protestors or even just lobbyism/social activism.
He documented gave 650k recently to BLM, he and his foundation denied it, but then hackers revealed the truth.
Hackers may be criminal, but these days I trust them much more than the MSM or even most people.
And the Koch brothers slated $889 million for political spending for 2016. What's the point here.
The point was about George Soros influence on BLM or paid protestors and it's absolutely true.
I didn't think it was a pissing match or "only Soros does this" but if your post makes you feel better than I'm glad you added it.