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dep026 : 9/21/2016 9:24 pm
All I can say is what a mess and it will not get better folks.
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RE: RE: RE: Regarding the Media....  
bradshaw44 : 9/22/2016 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13136612 madgiantscow009 said:
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In comment 13136542 Bill L said:


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In comment 13136491 EricJ said:


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I agree with the posts here that claim they are a huge part of the problem. They are basically creating the divide between people and pouring gasoline on the fire.

I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc

Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit

ive long felt that newspapers and tv news and all of their writers/on-air talkers should be required to disclose political affiliations, donations, etc. just below the masthead or in the closing credits and/or as story preambles. By law, just like...you financial guys tell me what it is...where stock analysists have to disclose positions they have when giving advice and evaluations.

I know that several medical journals require paper authors to disclose financial positions or research support by pharma within their papers. That's essentially the same thing as media reporting directed by political ideology.



someone posted this, I thought it was interesting.

1. ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama’s National Security Advisor.
2. CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications.
3. NBC News Political Analyst, David Axelrod was Obama's Chief Campaign Advisor and Senior Advisor directly to Obama himself.
4. NBC CEO Stephen Burke is a Board Member of Warren Buffet’s Company Berkshire Hathaway. Buffet donated almost a BILLION dollars to Obama’s campaign.
5. ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who now works for CNN as a commentator.
6. ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.
7. ABC News chief political correspondent and anchor George Stephanopoulos was the White House Communications Director then Senior Advisor for Policy and Strategy for Bill Clinton, and was just caught secretly donating $75,000 to the Clinton foundation.
8. ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.
9. CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.
10. NBC Chelsea Clinton was making $600,000.00 a year + benefits as a starting reporter.
11. Univision’s Emmy Award Winning Anchor Jorge Ramos’s daughter is working on Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign.
12. Yahoo is partnered with ABC News. The CEO of yahoo, Marissa Mayer is also an Obama campaign donor.

I'm sure the other side has some connections too.


This is one of the many things wrong with this country.
Chief stated that 70% of people arrested are from out of state.  
madgiantscow009 : 9/22/2016 9:11 pm : link
imagine living in that community and people come in and destroy it and then people think you destroyed your own community.
LOL  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/22/2016 9:33 pm : link
Now we have a media conspiracy?
RE: Chief stated that 70% of people arrested are from out of state.  
B in ALB : 9/22/2016 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13136690 madgiantscow009 said:
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imagine living in that community and people come in and destroy it and then people think you destroyed your own community.


They are 13 miles from South Carolina so that statement could mean anything.

Out of state, meaning transplants? Ok. Out of state meaning SC? Ok.
They would have had to travel fast  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/22/2016 9:42 pm : link
if they came from other areas to protest.
RE: LOL  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13136729 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Now we have a media conspiracy?
did someone claim that? I agree with you in disputing that.

It you can clearly see, and even without the above list, experience would inform, that there are incestuous and ideological affiliations with political policy-makers that have great potential, likely realized, to influence how the news is portrayed and reported.

What could possibly be wro with disclosure? That's really all that was said.

And, it has little to do with Charlotte specifically, other than the agenda things already brought up by others here.
This guy giving out hugs  
UConn4523 : 9/22/2016 9:56 pm : link
in Charlotte is awesome.
My goodness, I have to say it again:  
Crispino : 9/22/2016 9:58 pm : link
The mayor of Charlotte truly seems like a moron. She is clueless and embarrassingy inarticulate. She just spouts generalities and cliches. How
In the hell did she get elected?
Bill  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/22/2016 10:01 pm : link
I believe there are slants that most people recognize. Some are more slanted than others. That doesn't news is reported with a certain slant because a reporter is married to a former press secretary.
RE: LOL  
bradshaw44 : 9/22/2016 10:03 pm : link
In comment 13136729 AP in Halfmoon said:
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Now we have a media conspiracy?


This has nothing to do with that. It's just sickening that the media is literally in bed with the executive branch.

As a CPA I have to answer to a board of accountancy. I'm licensed and have to pass ethical exams each year and often have my work reviewed. Just like doctors and lawyers. Why doesn't the media have to be held to the same standard? Careless reporting and insinuations helped fuel the flames of these riots. And there will be no repercussion.
Fuethermore  
bradshaw44 : 9/22/2016 10:06 pm : link
I would never be able to be on an engagement that audited anybody I know let alone my wife. The reason this rule is in place is because common knowledge tells us that fraud and conspiracy is more likely to flourish in those circumstances.

RE: Bill  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 10:06 pm : link
In comment 13136786 AP in Halfmoon said:
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I believe there are slants that most people recognize. Some are more slanted than others. That doesn't news is reported with a certain slant because a reporter is married to a former press secretary.
as noted above, in any other profession these clear COI's would be required to be disclosed. And often they would preclude certain functions for people.
I don't think CPAs have a constitutional right to be wrong  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/22/2016 10:06 pm : link
And I don't believe reporting has anything to do with ties to Obama.
RE: I don't think CPAs have a constitutional right to be wrong  
bradshaw44 : 9/22/2016 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13136796 AP in Halfmoon said:
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And I don't believe reporting has anything to do with ties to Obama.


You don't think. Got it.
RE: I don't think CPAs have a constitutional right to be wrong  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13136796 AP in Halfmoon said:
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And I don't believe reporting has anything to do with ties to Obama.
nithing to do with Obama per se.
We can agree to disagree  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/22/2016 10:09 pm : link
It's hardly confidential that some reporter is married to Obama's ex deputy Press Secretary's second cousin.
RE: We can agree to disagree  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 10:13 pm : link
In comment 13136801 AP in Halfmoon said:
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It's hardly confidential that some reporter is married to Obama's ex deputy Press Secretary's second cousin.
maybe, maybe not. The general public reads news stories; do they have that awareness? With some digging my stockbroker's position in Apple could be found out. Why should he be forced to tell me about it when he recommends I buy it? The media is supposed to provide information; what's wrong in disclosing potential COI's? That's all I'm really saying.
I meant the public reads the stories  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 10:14 pm : link
But do they all have the awareness of the relationships of the person providing the story.
Bill  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/22/2016 10:15 pm : link
read through the list above. How would those be disclosed?
For editors and publishers, it should be in a box under the masthead  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 10:20 pm : link
For reporters, it should be footnoted for all their pieces. I'm taking party affiliations and donations as well
Dr X publishes a study  
Bill L : 9/22/2016 10:23 pm : link
Showing the benefits of a weight loss drug on heart disease. Good solid peer reviewed research. But the study was funded by the manufacturer of the drug. Should the dr/author/reporter of i formation disclose that? Many journals do require it.
RE: For editors and publishers, it should be in a box under the masthead  
bradshaw44 : 9/22/2016 10:23 pm : link
In comment 13136827 Bill L said:
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For reporters, it should be footnoted for all their pieces. I'm taking party affiliations and donations as well


They should also have to be fact checked regularly by a board. With enough violations they should be stripped of their license.
this scene sums up most things.  
madgiantscow009 : 9/22/2016 10:46 pm : link
hTtps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db_qXKBle08
seriously  
giantfan2000 : 9/23/2016 12:45 am : link
it is the news media fault ?

i love your list
but you should have added one more factoid



STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At All - ( New Window )
According to  
buford : 9/23/2016 6:33 am : link
fairly ridiculous university.
Blaming this on FoxNews  
Dunedin81 : 9/23/2016 7:11 am : link
Is just fucking stupid. Whatever biases FNC bring to the table tend to serve them well in some of these situations, because the initial reports from bystanders are almost invariably wrong and the evidence adduced from cameras and forensic evidence usually disproves it. And in these circumstances the credulity afforded these initial accounts in officer-involved shootings by the rest of the spectrum of major news media, the biases THEY bring to the table, tend not to serve them well.
Social media is presently in the process...  
Dunedin81 : 9/23/2016 7:24 am : link
of shaming people who reacted to the rioting with seemingly (in some cases overtly) racist tweets. It'd be nice if they could share a little outrage for those who stoked it.
RE: Social media is presently in the process...  
Bill L : 9/23/2016 7:38 am : link
In comment 13137101 Dunedin81 said:
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of shaming people who reacted to the rioting with seemingly (in some cases overtly) racist tweets. It'd be nice if they could share a little outrage for those who stoked it.
I think it's really horrendous that social media ends up doing the job for "professionals" (loose usage of that term). There's a reddit thing going on right now, which I won't get into here but I raise it mainly as an example of how the bias and COI's of the media work together to shape the public's conception of the "truth" (also using the term loosely). I mostly despise social media but in cases like these and here, thank God for it.
There are corners of social media...  
Dunedin81 : 9/23/2016 7:42 am : link
that get it right every now and again, but social media is as bad or worse than conventional media for fomenting this bullshit.
RE: Blaming this on FoxNews  
Big Al : 9/23/2016 8:06 am : link
In comment 13137091 Dunedin81 said:
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Is just fucking stupid. Whatever biases FNC bring to the table tend to serve them well in some of these situations, because the initial reports from bystanders are almost invariably wrong and the evidence adduced from cameras and forensic evidence usually disproves it. And in these circumstances the credulity afforded these initial accounts in officer-involved shootings by the rest of the spectrum of major news media, the biases THEY bring to the table, tend not to serve them well.
I remember that picture of the four female reporters/commentators/idiots on I think CNN doing the hands up don't shoot sign. Might have been MSNBC.
Since I mentioned him this summer in the Minnesota incident  
dep026 : 9/23/2016 8:52 am : link
I sure as hell am going to do it again. Jesse Jackson is a god damn idiot and needs to go away. Any "credible" news affiliation that gives him the mic should be shut down for 6 months or permanently.

He is everything whats wrong with these situations.
RE: Since I mentioned him this summer in the Minnesota incident  
Big Al : 9/23/2016 9:26 am : link
In comment 13137193 dep026 said:
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I sure as hell am going to do it again. Jesse Jackson is a god damn idiot and needs to go away. Any "credible" news affiliation that gives him the mic should be shut down for 6 months or permanently.

He is everything whats wrong with these situations.
Well MSNBC gave my man Sharpton an evening hour for a couple of years. Still there on Sunday morning slot no one watches.
GK Butterfield is out here in front of the nation now  
LatHarv83 : 9/23/2016 9:50 am : link
Because this is his state. This brother is some sort of magic trick. Every time I see this guy and hear him speak my senses get to brawling with each other, everything's all mismatched what am I watching and how did he do that. He's into sorcery or something
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GiantFilthy : 9/23/2016 2:29 pm : link
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OFFICER: Hands up!
RAKEYIA SCOTT: Don’t shoot him. Don’t shoot him. He has no weapon. He has no weapon. Don’t shoot him.
OFFICER: Don’t shoot. Drop the gun. Drop the fucking gun.
RAKEYIA SCOTT: Don’t shoot him. Don’t shoot him.
OFFICER: Drop the gun.
RAKEYIA SCOTT: He didn’t do anything.
OFFICER: Drop the gun. Drop the gun.
RAKEYIA SCOTT: He doesn’t have a gun. He has a T.B.I. (Traumatic Brain Injury).
OFFICER: Drop the gun.
RAKEYIA SCOTT: He is not going to do anything to you guys.
RAKEYIA SCOTT: He just took his medicine.
OFFICER: Drop the gun. Let me get a fucking baton over here. [muffled]
RAKEYIA SCOTT: Keith, don’t let them break the windows. Come on out the car.
OFFICER: [muffled]
OFFICER:Drop the gun.
RAKEYIA SCOTT: Keith! Don’t you do it.
OFFICER: Drop the gun.
RAKEYIA SCOTT: Keith, get out the car. Keith! Keith! Don’t you do it! Don’t you do it! Keith!
OFFICER: Drop the gun.
RAKEYIA SCOTT:Keith! Keith! Keith! Don’t you do it!
[SHOTS]
RAKEYIA SCOTT: Fuck. Did you shoot him? Did you shoot him? Did you shoot him? He better not be fucking dead.He better not be fucking dead. I know that fucking much. I know that much. He better not be dead. I’m not going to come near you. I’m going to record, though. I’m not coming near you. I’m going to record, though.He better be alive because ...I come You better be alive. How about that?Yes, we here, over here at 50 ... 50 ...9453 Lexington Court. These are the police officers that shot my husband,and he better live. He better live. Because he didn’t do nothing to them.
OFFICER: Is everybody good? Are you good?
RAKEYIA SCOTT: He good. Nobody ... touch nobody, so they’re all good.
OFFICER: You good?
RAKEYIA SCOTT: I know he better live. I know he better live. How about that I’m not coming to you guys, but he’d better live. He better live. You all hear it, you see this, right? He better live.
OFFICER: [muffled]
AKEYIA SCOTT: He better live. I swear, he better live. Yep, he better live. He better fucking live. He better live. Where is...He better fucking live, and I can’t even leave the damn...I ain’t going nowhere. I’m staying in the same damn spot. What the fuck. That’s O.K. did you all call the police? I mean, did you all call an ambulance
WELL  
giantfan2000 : 9/23/2016 2:29 pm : link
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Blaming this on FoxNews Is just fucking stupid.


no more stupid that posting a list of reporters who are some how related to Obama administration or democrats.

the fact is TV reporters have just about ZERO say in how the news is reported .

These reporters work for huge corporations in which managing editors ( with watchful eye of corporate executives ) decide which stories will be pursued and highlighted and how these stories will be framed




Her video  
dep026 : 9/23/2016 2:33 pm : link
makes it inconclusive whether or not he had a gun. You can hear the audio of the cops telling him to drop his gun however.
dep.  
GiantFilthy : 9/23/2016 2:37 pm : link
that's what I'm back and forth on right now. Can't tell anything visually from the video. There definitely is no gun beside his body right after he goes down as seen in the photo yesterday, though an officer may have moved it to that spot away from his body shortly after the video. Body cam footage may show that.

However her words make it really, kinda sorta sound like he has something, though it isn't enough to go on. "Don't do it, Keith! Keith, don't do it!" Don't do what? Shoot? Run?
RE: dep.  
Heisenberg : 9/23/2016 2:38 pm : link
In comment 13137811 GiantFilthy said:
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that's what I'm back and forth on right now. Can't tell anything visually from the video. There definitely is no gun beside his body right after he goes down as seen in the photo yesterday, though an officer may have moved it to that spot away from his body shortly after the video. Body cam footage may show that.

However her words make it really, kinda sorta sound like he has something, though it isn't enough to go on. "Don't do it, Keith! Keith, don't do it!" Don't do what? Shoot? Run?


"don't you do it" might have been directed at the officers, too.
Possibly.  
GiantFilthy : 9/23/2016 2:40 pm : link
As usual, body cams probably have the answer.
she explicitly says..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/23/2016 2:42 pm : link
"Keith, don't you do it!"

I'm with the poster above wondering what it is? Just wondering about the traumatic brain injury thing. If he had one, why was he driving?
where is the video  
UConn4523 : 9/23/2016 2:43 pm : link
?
You know what isn't adding up..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/23/2016 2:45 pm : link
is that the guy supposedly sat in his car reading every day waiting for his son. Was he parked like 50 feet from his apartment? I mean, the wife is close enough to go to the scene.

Weird. Also, she's filming while trying to come to the aid of her husband?
UConn,  
GiantFilthy : 9/23/2016 2:45 pm : link
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Video here. - ( New Window )
It is plausible that she is talking to everyone here.  
GiantFilthy : 9/23/2016 2:47 pm : link
Yelling Keith to get his attention while also turning her attention to the cops telling them "Don't do it."
The number of times..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/23/2016 2:49 pm : link
they tell him to drop the gun, it must be pretty evident it is a gun.

Just an unfortunate situation with another tragic outcome.

Most of the time, I'd say to try and use non-lethal force, but if he has a gun that close to officers, they probably don't have a choice. The question is why he's not stopping or dropping whatever is in his hands.
There might be some truth coming from both sides here.  
GiantFilthy : 9/23/2016 2:53 pm : link
He may have had a gun. He also may have a traumatic brain injury and may have just taken some medication that, along with the noise and commotion isn't allowing him to be able to think straight. TBI on meds and having a weapon with you and/or operating a vehicle is a different discussion.
RE: It is plausible that she is talking to everyone here.  
Heisenberg : 9/23/2016 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13137834 GiantFilthy said:
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Yelling Keith to get his attention while also turning her attention to the cops telling them "Don't do it."


Yeah, watching the video, the officer asks for a baton and it seems she might be telling them not to use it to break the windows.
RE: You know what isn't adding up..  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/23/2016 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13137832 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is that the guy supposedly sat in his car reading every day waiting for his son. Was he parked like 50 feet from his apartment? I mean, the wife is close enough to go to the scene.

Weird. Also, she's filming while trying to come to the aid of her husband?


I agree, makes no sense
More.  
GiantFilthy : 9/23/2016 3:09 pm : link
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Tests revealed Keith Scott's fingerprints, DNA and blood were on a gun recovered

WSOCTV - ( New Window )
RE: More.  
GMAN4LIFE : 9/23/2016 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13137882 GiantFilthy said:
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Tests revealed Keith Scott's fingerprints, DNA and blood were on a gun recovered

WSOCTV - ( New Window )


cops planted it
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