is that the guy supposedly sat in his car reading every day waiting for his son. Was he parked like 50 feet from his apartment? I mean, the wife is close enough to go to the scene.
Weird. Also, she's filming while trying to come to the aid of her husband?
How old is the son?
Not weird at all if wants to see him get off a school bus and safely walk home.
and since there are no other kids at the stop with them, I go out to the bus stop with them in the morning, and my wife usually goes out when they're coming home after school.
Sitting in your vehicle for that purpose though, while so close to home, is a bit odd.
and since there are no other kids at the stop with them, I go out to the bus stop with them in the morning, and my wife usually goes out when they're coming home after school.
Sitting in your vehicle for that purpose though, while so close to home, is a bit odd.
Why?
Maybe he would rather sit in air conditioning, or listen to the radio, read or just plain sit instead of standing. Or possibly avoid small talk with neighborhood mothers waiting for their kids. Who knows but far from strange behaviour.
Why were the police called to begin with anyone know?
What I don't understand is the microscope of suspicion Â
the dead are immediately put under, and it's usually done by the same suspects around here. The man was sitting inside his car, surely he's up to something suspicious. Give me a fucking break.
RE: What I don't understand is the microscope of suspicion Â
the dead are immediately put under, and it's usually done by the same suspects around here. The man was sitting inside his car, surely he's up to something suspicious. Give me a fucking break.
I gentle man, a family man An ex con with a record of violence with firearms.
However, Scott also had a long police record that included gun violations. Buried deep in this Charlotte Observer story, we learn:
Scott was convicted in April 2004 of a misdemeanor assault with a deadly weapon charge in Mecklenburg County. Other charges stemming from that date were dismissed: felony assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, and misdemeanors assault on a child under 12, assault on a female and communicating threats.
In April 2015 in Gaston County Court, Scott was found guilty of driving while intoxicated.
In 1992, Scott was charged in Charleston County, S.C., with ​several different crimes on different dates, including carrying ​a concealed weapon​ (not a gun), simple assault and contributing to ​the delinquency of a minor. ​He pleaded guilty to ​all charges.
Scott also was charged with aggravated assault in 1992​ and assault with intent to kill in 1995. Both charges were reduced, but the disposition of the case​s​ is unclear.
(Emphasis added)
And there is this:
According to Bexar County, Texas, records, Scott was sentenced in March 2005 to 15 months in a state jail for evading arrest. In July of that year, records show, he was sentenced to seven years in prison on a conviction of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. A Texas Department of Criminal Justice spokesman said Scott completed his sentence and was released from prison in 2011.
(Emphasis added)
None of this means, necessarily, that Scott had a gun when the police killed him or that the police reasonably felt threatened by him. But Scott’s record makes it all the more unfair to assume — as the Charlotte protesters do, explicitly or implicitly — that claims by the police that he was armed and potentially dangerous are untrue.
What I don't understand is the microscope of suspicion
David in LA : 5:31 pm : link : reply
the dead are immediately put under, and it's usually done by the same suspects around here. The man was sitting inside his car, surely he's up to something suspicious. Give me a fucking break.
When the initial reports are literally saying the guy is PEACEFULLY reading in his car waiting for his son to come home to give him hugs, it creates the picture that some erudite guy who lives to show affection for his son is executed by the big, bad police just for being black.
Now, we find out the guy is a convicted felon, who apparently has a traumatic brain injury, yet he's driving a vehicle and handling weapons.
The microscope of suspicion gets aimed because the media tries so hard to make this into an execution of a random guy.
Michael Brown was always referred to as a hard working student looking forward to his HVAC certification who always had a smile on his face an was a gentle giant. And they'd always show him as a cherubic 12 year old. Why didn't they say he was kicked out of high school for disciplinary reasons, had been arrested two times, and wasn't very smiley to convenience store owners.
to judge how someone reacts to death, but the wife is eerily calm about the shooting. She yelled more at the police before they shot him and then afterwards as her husband is lying dead, she just keeps saying, "He better not be dead. He better not be dead".
If that's my wife, I'm screaming like a maniac for help and rushing to her side.
Again - people react differently, but this woman filmed while watching her husband die, almost as if she knew it was a possibility or a foregone conclusion
RE: What I don't understand is the microscope of suspicion Â
the dead are immediately put under, and it's usually done by the same suspects around here. The man was sitting inside his car, surely he's up to something suspicious. Give me a fucking break.
And the same suspects always put the police under the microscope of suspicion.
to judge how someone reacts to death, but the wife is eerily calm about the shooting. She yelled more at the police before they shot him and then afterwards as her husband is lying dead, she just keeps saying, "He better not be dead. He better not be dead".
If that's my wife, I'm screaming like a maniac for help and rushing to her side.
Again - people react differently, but this woman filmed while watching her husband die, almost as if she knew it was a possibility or a foregone conclusion
But that is not what the Media wants. They want.. Police killed for racial reasons. They want police unarmed and unable to control the seedier elements of society. They want clicks on stories and you to watch every night for the next riot to break out. That's the News they want to cover. The fueling of it for sensation and turning the people against one another. Or els we would be talking about more important things.
Why were the police called to begin with anyone know? Â
they were plain clothes and plainly marked by their vests, but not undercover and the vehicles were clearly marked, so the biggest part of confusion for me is cleared up.
When did his TBI occur?
He did have a history of assaults with intent to kill.
and since there are no other kids at the stop with them, I go out to the bus stop with them in the morning, and my wife usually goes out when they're coming home after school.
Sitting in your vehicle for that purpose though, while so close to home, is a bit odd.
Why?
Maybe he would rather sit in air conditioning, or listen to the radio, read or just plain sit instead of standing. Or possibly avoid small talk with neighborhood mothers waiting for their kids. Who knows but far from strange behaviour.
Why were the police called to begin with anyone know?
I agree it isn't that strange to wait in your car.
Initial report - they were there to serve a warrant to somebody else. I don't know if that is confirmed and most of the initial reports were wrong-undercover cops-no gun-shot by white cop, etc....
What I don't understand is the microscope of suspicion
David in LA : 5:31 pm : link : reply
the dead are immediately put under, and it's usually done by the same suspects around here. The man was sitting inside his car, surely he's up to something suspicious. Give me a fucking break.
When the initial reports are literally saying the guy is PEACEFULLY reading in his car waiting for his son to come home to give him hugs, it creates the picture that some erudite guy who lives to show affection for his son is executed by the big, bad police just for being black.
Now, we find out the guy is a convicted felon, who apparently has a traumatic brain injury, yet he's driving a vehicle and handling weapons.
The microscope of suspicion gets aimed because the media tries so hard to make this into an execution of a random guy.
Michael Brown was always referred to as a hard working student looking forward to his HVAC certification who always had a smile on his face an was a gentle giant. And they'd always show him as a cherubic 12 year old. Why didn't they say he was kicked out of high school for disciplinary reasons, had been arrested two times, and wasn't very smiley to convenience store owners.
So people deserve to die, because of their priors? Or it's not that big of a deal, because the dead person has a track record. That kind of thinking cheapens the value of life FMIC.
The facts in this case are only relevant to this case. Â
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
to judge how someone reacts to death, but the wife is eerily calm about the shooting. She yelled more at the police before they shot him and then afterwards as her husband is lying dead, she just keeps saying, "He better not be dead. He better not be dead".
If that's my wife, I'm screaming like a maniac for help and rushing to her side.
Again - people react differently, but this woman filmed while watching her husband die, almost as if she knew it was a possibility or a foregone conclusion
I felt the same way, if that was my husband I would be screaming and running up to the cops. I would not be videotaping.
The issue is this. The people don't trust the cops but the cops also don't trust the people. That is why the situations are so tense and everyone is on edge. The cops have to decide in a split second whether they think someone is a threat to them or not. Until there is more trust between the communities and the cops, these incidents are going to keep happening.
I would add fewer guns would be a good thing too. Â
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
That's a pretty big assumption of two people you don't know.
Yet No one Talks about what is happening in Chicago and rising death Â
totals as the Police force shows the Nation what happens when the Law only observes and does not interact/Stop crime. Where is that protest of all those people dying everyday?
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
Seriously? You think they are protesting because protesting is cool? And then two posts below this comment you ask rhetorically, where are the protesters in Chicago? I have no idea what your point is and I'm pretty confident you don't either.
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
That's a pretty big assumption of two people you don't know.
Both men had Criminal Records. That means they fit that category. steal, assault, drugs?
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
Seriously? You think they are protesting because protesting is cool? And then two posts below this comment you ask rhetorically, where are the protesters in Chicago? I have no idea what your point is and I'm pretty confident you don't either.
Protesting is a way to achieve a right. Civil Rights,ETC.
What right are they achieving? Bad Police? White on Black injustice? Please explain to me Why its necessary to Riot over this? Because the Media wants you too.
IF the Rioters and Looters win what do they win? Are they running a Candidate for Police Chief? Mayor? President?
Are we to abolish the Police Forces and Let the Citizens fend for themselves? (Chicago)? Please explain to me what the protest want to achieve? Civil Rights, Sex Revolution Gay Rights how did they achieve their goals? They took part in the Government around them. So when are the next anti police politicians running?
Is just fucking stupid. Whatever biases FNC bring to the table tend to serve them well in some of these situations, because the initial reports from bystanders are almost invariably wrong and the evidence adduced from cameras and forensic evidence usually disproves it. And in these circumstances the credulity afforded these initial accounts in officer-involved shootings by the rest of the spectrum of major news media, the biases THEY bring to the table, tend not to serve them well.
I would like to see an example of this.
"Whatever biases FNC bring to the table tend to serve them well in some of these situations"
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
That's a pretty big assumption of two people you don't know.
Both men had Criminal Records. That means they fit that category. steal, assault, drugs?
You seem to paint people you don't know with a broad brush.
I'm no expert on their records, maybe you are but what was posted in this thread about this man lists many assault charges. So yes he obviously had issues with anger and violence. Most of them occurred years ago so maybe he corrected some of that I don't know. Nowhere does it indicate that this description must be accurate.
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Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do.
Maybe the police were left with little choice lets wait for the evidence but I see no benefit in drawing conclusions about them as people without facts.
You seem to wrap them both up neatly with some sort of amateur psychological assessment of them.
that's what I'm back and forth on right now. Can't tell anything visually from the video. There definitely is no gun beside his body right after he goes down as seen in the photo yesterday, though an officer may have moved it to that spot away from his body shortly after the video. Body cam footage may show that.
However her words make it really, kinda sorta sound like he has something, though it isn't enough to go on. "Don't do it, Keith! Keith, don't do it!" Don't do what? Shoot? Run?
Pause the video around 1:05 and look right behind the officer wearing the red shirt. The gun is there. He then steps backwards and stands over it.
suddenly his criminal record is an important fact
the excuses on this board is that The police were not psychic to know he was a threat
but somehow they were psychic to know he had a criminal record so he kind of deserved what he got .
The facts are NC is an open carry state .. having a gun isn't a crime .. and the police have admitted he never pointed the gun at officers on the scene
This unequal enforcement of gun rights has been documented many, many times over the past few years. A white man with a gun walks down the street and police do nothing. A black man picks up a BB gun in a Walmart and is shot dead.
There are videos on Youtube of white guys with guns refusing to follow police instructions and the police don't even arrest the guy much less kill him. I know police are afraid for their lives but the assumption that every black male is out to commit murder has to stop.
I have a little experiment for all you - You gun fan boy who live in an open carry state
1. Grow a long beard
2. get a bit of a suntan
3. Dress in traditional Arab robes
4. Get Koran to carry in your hand
5. Arm yourselves with AR-15
6. Go to your favorite Texas mall
7. Walk around
Doesn't matter if NC is open carry or not. If police order you to drop you weapon you should do so and not doing so after repeated orders will be viewed as a threat.
This is really not hard to understand.
Every bit of the idiotic nonsense you've come to expect from Â
giantfanboy, which is why he had to change his handle:
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There are videos on Youtube of white guys with guns refusing to follow police instructions and the police don't even arrest the guy much less kill him.
"Hey you, pull over!"
"NO!"
"OK then..."
You want to fix this country? Dig a very deep hole, throw all the idiots to the extreme left and right who spew this kind of nonsense into it, and backfill it.
suddenly his criminal record is an important fact
the excuses on this board is that The police were not psychic to know he was a threat
but somehow they were psychic to know he had a criminal record so he kind of deserved what he got .
The facts are NC is an open carry state .. having a gun isn't a crime .. and the police have admitted he never pointed the gun at officers on the scene
This unequal enforcement of gun rights has been documented many, many times over the past few years. A white man with a gun walks down the street and police do nothing. A black man picks up a BB gun in a Walmart and is shot dead.
There are videos on Youtube of white guys with guns refusing to follow police instructions and the police don't even arrest the guy much less kill him. I know police are afraid for their lives but the assumption that every black male is out to commit murder has to stop.
I have a little experiment for all you - You gun fan boy who live in an open carry state
1. Grow a long beard
2. get a bit of a suntan
3. Dress in traditional Arab robes
4. Get Koran to carry in your hand
5. Arm yourselves with AR-15
6. Go to your favorite Texas mall
7. Walk around
Let me know how that works out.
i would hope badly for anyone who does 5-7. Was the weapon for protection against being sprayed walking through the perfume department?
that suddenly his criminal record is an important fact tend to ignore that the initial reports were of a loving Father who peacefully read books in his car and lived for greeting his son with a hug. A kind and gentle man, executed by the police as he read .
Meanwhile, the guy not only has a rap sheet, but one that is littered with multiple offences of deadly assault with a weapon, he has a gun, and he refuses the police's orders.
Who is more likely to refuse the police's orders, a guy who loves a great book while waiting for his son to get off of a bus, or a career criminal, probably afraid to be in violation of his parole?
The criminal record goes directly to the mindset that not only escalates a conflict, but directly contributes to him getting shot. How many more times did the police have to order him to drop the gun?
my point is
The frequent police targeting/profiling/harassment/killing of black men permitted to open-carry guns in contrast to the wide berth that the often surly and threatening white men permitted to open-carry guns seem to demand of anyone in their path, makes the entire NRA position seem so much more ludicrous than I thought possible.
that suddenly his criminal record is an important fact tend to ignore that the initial reports were of a loving Father who peacefully read books in his car and lived for greeting his son with a hug. A kind and gentle man, executed by the police as he read .
Meanwhile, the guy not only has a rap sheet, but one that is littered with multiple offences of deadly assault with a weapon, he has a gun, and he refuses the police's orders.
Who is more likely to refuse the police's orders, a guy who loves a great book while waiting for his son to get off of a bus, or a career criminal, probably afraid to be in violation of his parole?
The criminal record goes directly to the mindset that not only escalates a conflict, but directly contributes to him getting shot. How many more times did the police have to order him to drop the gun?
Sort of like the irrelevance we were told (by John Oliver and many others) of the Gentle Giant's interaction at the convenience store.
if he was legally or illegally carrying. Something provoked their suspicion (some believe because he was black) and they apparently saw a weapon and ordered him to drop it.
A police officer has full authority to ask anyone carry a gun, even legally, to drop their weapon for any reason them deem fit.
“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.
In a real sense nonviolence seeks to redeem the spiritual and moral lag that I spoke of earlier as the chief dilemma of modern man. It seeks to secure moral ends through moral means. Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. Indeed, it is a weapon unique in history, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it.
I believe in this method because I think it is the only way to reestablish a broken community. It is the method which seeks to implement the just law by appealing to the conscience of the great decent majority who through blindness, fear, pride, and irrationality have allowed their consciences to sleep.
The nonviolent resisters can summarize their message in the following simple terms: we will take direct action against injustice despite the failure of governmental and other official agencies to act first. We will not obey unjust laws or submit to unjust practices. We will do this peacefully, openly, cheerfully because our aim is to persuade. We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself. We will try to persuade with our words, but if our words fail, we will try to persuade with our acts. We will always be willing to talk and seek fair compromise, but we are ready to suffer when necessary and even risk our lives to become witnesses to truth as we see it.”
-- Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. 1964
Man was ahead of his time, could use some leaders like that today.
Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
Seriously? You think they are protesting because protesting is cool? And then two posts below this comment you ask rhetorically, where are the protesters in Chicago? I have no idea what your point is and I'm pretty confident you don't either.
Protesting is a way to achieve a right. Civil Rights,ETC.
What right are they achieving? Bad Police? White on Black injustice? Please explain to me Why its necessary to Riot over this? Because the Media wants you too.
IF the Rioters and Looters win what do they win? Are they running a Candidate for Police Chief? Mayor? President?
Are we to abolish the Police Forces and Let the Citizens fend for themselves? (Chicago)? Please explain to me what the protest want to achieve? Civil Rights, Sex Revolution Gay Rights how did they achieve their goals? They took part in the Government around them. So when are the next anti police politicians running?
They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
so all of the people who came from out of state were subsidized by Soros? It couldn't have been that many of them believed--rightly or wrongly-- that there is a pattern in the shooting of black men by police?
Personally, in terms of the Charlotte shooting, it's going to be extremely difficult to convince me that the cops couldn't have de-escalated by moving to a distance, while the victim was still in the car, or by tasering him.
Everything I read suggests to me that in a very large number of police departments, training in de-escalation and non-lethal techniques are underutilized parts of community policing.
when this all went down. The common feeling there is that this was all escalated by out of staters. It was an almost universal feeling. I argued with many when they kept bringing this up, because most of them pointed to the northern states as being the culprit. I was told that they don't have these issues in Charlotte and they know how to deal with problems without violence. I chalked it up to just good ole southern resentment to the north, but who knows. I haven't seen the data on the arrests, but maybe they had a point. Spending some more time in the south recently, it sure seems like people get along much better, within the racial divides. I'm not saying they don't have their issues as well, and I still think it's ludicrous to blame the outside world, but if that 70% number is accurate, that's crazy.
Weird. Also, she's filming while trying to come to the aid of her husband?
How old is the son?
Not weird at all if wants to see him get off a school bus and safely walk home.
Many are saying that this hurts the cops arguments, I am not too sure about that.
Sitting in your vehicle for that purpose though, while so close to home, is a bit odd.
Sitting in your vehicle for that purpose though, while so close to home, is a bit odd.
Why?
Maybe he would rather sit in air conditioning, or listen to the radio, read or just plain sit instead of standing. Or possibly avoid small talk with neighborhood mothers waiting for their kids. Who knows but far from strange behaviour.
Why were the police called to begin with anyone know?
I gentle man, a family man An ex con with a record of violence with firearms.
However, Scott also had a long police record that included gun violations. Buried deep in this Charlotte Observer story, we learn:
Scott was convicted in April 2004 of a misdemeanor assault with a deadly weapon charge in Mecklenburg County. Other charges stemming from that date were dismissed: felony assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill, and misdemeanors assault on a child under 12, assault on a female and communicating threats.
In April 2015 in Gaston County Court, Scott was found guilty of driving while intoxicated.
In 1992, Scott was charged in Charleston County, S.C., with ​several different crimes on different dates, including carrying ​a concealed weapon​ (not a gun), simple assault and contributing to ​the delinquency of a minor. ​He pleaded guilty to ​all charges.
Scott also was charged with aggravated assault in 1992​ and assault with intent to kill in 1995. Both charges were reduced, but the disposition of the case​s​ is unclear.
(Emphasis added)
And there is this:
According to Bexar County, Texas, records, Scott was sentenced in March 2005 to 15 months in a state jail for evading arrest. In July of that year, records show, he was sentenced to seven years in prison on a conviction of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. A Texas Department of Criminal Justice spokesman said Scott completed his sentence and was released from prison in 2011.
(Emphasis added)
None of this means, necessarily, that Scott had a gun when the police killed him or that the police reasonably felt threatened by him. But Scott’s record makes it all the more unfair to assume — as the Charlotte protesters do, explicitly or implicitly — that claims by the police that he was armed and potentially dangerous are untrue.
David in LA : 5:31 pm : link : reply
the dead are immediately put under, and it's usually done by the same suspects around here. The man was sitting inside his car, surely he's up to something suspicious. Give me a fucking break.
When the initial reports are literally saying the guy is PEACEFULLY reading in his car waiting for his son to come home to give him hugs, it creates the picture that some erudite guy who lives to show affection for his son is executed by the big, bad police just for being black.
Now, we find out the guy is a convicted felon, who apparently has a traumatic brain injury, yet he's driving a vehicle and handling weapons.
The microscope of suspicion gets aimed because the media tries so hard to make this into an execution of a random guy.
Michael Brown was always referred to as a hard working student looking forward to his HVAC certification who always had a smile on his face an was a gentle giant. And they'd always show him as a cherubic 12 year old. Why didn't they say he was kicked out of high school for disciplinary reasons, had been arrested two times, and wasn't very smiley to convenience store owners.
If that's my wife, I'm screaming like a maniac for help and rushing to her side.
Again - people react differently, but this woman filmed while watching her husband die, almost as if she knew it was a possibility or a foregone conclusion
If that's my wife, I'm screaming like a maniac for help and rushing to her side.
Again - people react differently, but this woman filmed while watching her husband die, almost as if she knew it was a possibility or a foregone conclusion
But that is not what the Media wants. They want.. Police killed for racial reasons. They want police unarmed and unable to control the seedier elements of society. They want clicks on stories and you to watch every night for the next riot to break out. That's the News they want to cover. The fueling of it for sensation and turning the people against one another. Or els we would be talking about more important things.
When did his TBI occur?
He did have a history of assaults with intent to kill.
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and since there are no other kids at the stop with them, I go out to the bus stop with them in the morning, and my wife usually goes out when they're coming home after school.
Sitting in your vehicle for that purpose though, while so close to home, is a bit odd.
Why?
Maybe he would rather sit in air conditioning, or listen to the radio, read or just plain sit instead of standing. Or possibly avoid small talk with neighborhood mothers waiting for their kids. Who knows but far from strange behaviour.
Why were the police called to begin with anyone know?
I agree it isn't that strange to wait in your car.
Initial report - they were there to serve a warrant to somebody else. I don't know if that is confirmed and most of the initial reports were wrong-undercover cops-no gun-shot by white cop, etc....
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What I don't understand is the microscope of suspicion
David in LA : 5:31 pm : link : reply
the dead are immediately put under, and it's usually done by the same suspects around here. The man was sitting inside his car, surely he's up to something suspicious. Give me a fucking break.
When the initial reports are literally saying the guy is PEACEFULLY reading in his car waiting for his son to come home to give him hugs, it creates the picture that some erudite guy who lives to show affection for his son is executed by the big, bad police just for being black.
Now, we find out the guy is a convicted felon, who apparently has a traumatic brain injury, yet he's driving a vehicle and handling weapons.
The microscope of suspicion gets aimed because the media tries so hard to make this into an execution of a random guy.
Michael Brown was always referred to as a hard working student looking forward to his HVAC certification who always had a smile on his face an was a gentle giant. And they'd always show him as a cherubic 12 year old. Why didn't they say he was kicked out of high school for disciplinary reasons, had been arrested two times, and wasn't very smiley to convenience store owners.
So people deserve to die, because of their priors? Or it's not that big of a deal, because the dead person has a track record. That kind of thinking cheapens the value of life FMIC.
Black men, police, innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire.
How do we engage better? how do we police better? Criminal activity should not mean death sentence. Wearing a badge does not make someone a pig.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
If that's my wife, I'm screaming like a maniac for help and rushing to her side.
Again - people react differently, but this woman filmed while watching her husband die, almost as if she knew it was a possibility or a foregone conclusion
I felt the same way, if that was my husband I would be screaming and running up to the cops. I would not be videotaping.
The issue is this. The people don't trust the cops but the cops also don't trust the people. That is why the situations are so tense and everyone is on edge. The cops have to decide in a split second whether they think someone is a threat to them or not. Until there is more trust between the communities and the cops, these incidents are going to keep happening.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
That's a pretty big assumption of two people you don't know.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
Seriously? You think they are protesting because protesting is cool? And then two posts below this comment you ask rhetorically, where are the protesters in Chicago? I have no idea what your point is and I'm pretty confident you don't either.
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Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
That's a pretty big assumption of two people you don't know.
Both men had Criminal Records. That means they fit that category. steal, assault, drugs?
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Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
Seriously? You think they are protesting because protesting is cool? And then two posts below this comment you ask rhetorically, where are the protesters in Chicago? I have no idea what your point is and I'm pretty confident you don't either.
What right are they achieving? Bad Police? White on Black injustice? Please explain to me Why its necessary to Riot over this? Because the Media wants you too.
IF the Rioters and Looters win what do they win? Are they running a Candidate for Police Chief? Mayor? President?
Are we to abolish the Police Forces and Let the Citizens fend for themselves? (Chicago)? Please explain to me what the protest want to achieve? Civil Rights, Sex Revolution Gay Rights how did they achieve their goals? They took part in the Government around them. So when are the next anti police politicians running?
I would like to see an example of this.
"Whatever biases FNC bring to the table tend to serve them well in some of these situations"
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Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
That's a pretty big assumption of two people you don't know.
Both men had Criminal Records. That means they fit that category. steal, assault, drugs?
You seem to paint people you don't know with a broad brush.
I'm no expert on their records, maybe you are but what was posted in this thread about this man lists many assault charges. So yes he obviously had issues with anger and violence. Most of them occurred years ago so maybe he corrected some of that I don't know. Nowhere does it indicate that this description must be accurate.
Maybe the police were left with little choice lets wait for the evidence but I see no benefit in drawing conclusions about them as people without facts.
You seem to wrap them both up neatly with some sort of amateur psychological assessment of them.
However her words make it really, kinda sorta sound like he has something, though it isn't enough to go on. "Don't do it, Keith! Keith, don't do it!" Don't do what? Shoot? Run?
Pause the video around 1:05 and look right behind the officer wearing the red shirt. The gun is there. He then steps backwards and stands over it.
the excuses on this board is that The police were not psychic to know he was a threat
but somehow they were psychic to know he had a criminal record so he kind of deserved what he got .
The facts are NC is an open carry state .. having a gun isn't a crime .. and the police have admitted he never pointed the gun at officers on the scene
This unequal enforcement of gun rights has been documented many, many times over the past few years. A white man with a gun walks down the street and police do nothing. A black man picks up a BB gun in a Walmart and is shot dead.
There are videos on Youtube of white guys with guns refusing to follow police instructions and the police don't even arrest the guy much less kill him. I know police are afraid for their lives but the assumption that every black male is out to commit murder has to stop.
I have a little experiment for all you - You gun fan boy who live in an open carry state
1. Grow a long beard
2. get a bit of a suntan
3. Dress in traditional Arab robes
4. Get Koran to carry in your hand
5. Arm yourselves with AR-15
6. Go to your favorite Texas mall
7. Walk around
Let me know how that works out.
This is really not hard to understand.
"Hey you, pull over!"
"NO!"
"OK then..."
You want to fix this country? Dig a very deep hole, throw all the idiots to the extreme left and right who spew this kind of nonsense into it, and backfill it.
the excuses on this board is that The police were not psychic to know he was a threat
but somehow they were psychic to know he had a criminal record so he kind of deserved what he got .
The facts are NC is an open carry state .. having a gun isn't a crime .. and the police have admitted he never pointed the gun at officers on the scene
This unequal enforcement of gun rights has been documented many, many times over the past few years. A white man with a gun walks down the street and police do nothing. A black man picks up a BB gun in a Walmart and is shot dead.
There are videos on Youtube of white guys with guns refusing to follow police instructions and the police don't even arrest the guy much less kill him. I know police are afraid for their lives but the assumption that every black male is out to commit murder has to stop.
I have a little experiment for all you - You gun fan boy who live in an open carry state
1. Grow a long beard
2. get a bit of a suntan
3. Dress in traditional Arab robes
4. Get Koran to carry in your hand
5. Arm yourselves with AR-15
6. Go to your favorite Texas mall
7. Walk around
Let me know how that works out.
Meanwhile, the guy not only has a rap sheet, but one that is littered with multiple offences of deadly assault with a weapon, he has a gun, and he refuses the police's orders.
Who is more likely to refuse the police's orders, a guy who loves a great book while waiting for his son to get off of a bus, or a career criminal, probably afraid to be in violation of his parole?
The criminal record goes directly to the mindset that not only escalates a conflict, but directly contributes to him getting shot. How many more times did the police have to order him to drop the gun?
The frequent police targeting/profiling/harassment/killing of black men permitted to open-carry guns in contrast to the wide berth that the often surly and threatening white men permitted to open-carry guns seem to demand of anyone in their path, makes the entire NRA position seem so much more ludicrous than I thought possible.
In Jim Cooley’s open-carry America, even a trip to Walmart can require an AR-15 - ( New Window )
Meanwhile, the guy not only has a rap sheet, but one that is littered with multiple offences of deadly assault with a weapon, he has a gun, and he refuses the police's orders.
Who is more likely to refuse the police's orders, a guy who loves a great book while waiting for his son to get off of a bus, or a career criminal, probably afraid to be in violation of his parole?
The criminal record goes directly to the mindset that not only escalates a conflict, but directly contributes to him getting shot. How many more times did the police have to order him to drop the gun?
This thread is littered with misconceptions over the regulations between open carry and concealed weapons.
This thread is littered with misconceptions over the regulations between open carry and concealed weapons.
I don't believe he would be permitted.
Of course the counter argument is the police would not know that and therefore wouldn't affect how they addressed him.
Sounds like they were there to serve a warrant to someone else unrelated to this man.
He is sitting in his truck waiting for his kid.
How do they end up interacting with each other and ordering him out of the vehicle, any know?
A police officer has full authority to ask anyone carry a gun, even legally, to drop their weapon for any reason them deem fit.
There's a lot of facts missing.
“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.
In a real sense nonviolence seeks to redeem the spiritual and moral lag that I spoke of earlier as the chief dilemma of modern man. It seeks to secure moral ends through moral means. Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. Indeed, it is a weapon unique in history, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it.
I believe in this method because I think it is the only way to reestablish a broken community. It is the method which seeks to implement the just law by appealing to the conscience of the great decent majority who through blindness, fear, pride, and irrationality have allowed their consciences to sleep.
The nonviolent resisters can summarize their message in the following simple terms: we will take direct action against injustice despite the failure of governmental and other official agencies to act first. We will not obey unjust laws or submit to unjust practices. We will do this peacefully, openly, cheerfully because our aim is to persuade. We adopt the means of nonviolence because our end is a community at peace with itself. We will try to persuade with our words, but if our words fail, we will try to persuade with our acts. We will always be willing to talk and seek fair compromise, but we are ready to suffer when necessary and even risk our lives to become witnesses to truth as we see it.”
-- Dr Martin Luther King, Jr. 1964
Man was ahead of his time, could use some leaders like that today.
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In comment 13138192 shelovesnycsports said:
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Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.
Seriously? You think they are protesting because protesting is cool? And then two posts below this comment you ask rhetorically, where are the protesters in Chicago? I have no idea what your point is and I'm pretty confident you don't either.
Protesting is a way to achieve a right. Civil Rights,ETC.
What right are they achieving? Bad Police? White on Black injustice? Please explain to me Why its necessary to Riot over this? Because the Media wants you too.
IF the Rioters and Looters win what do they win? Are they running a Candidate for Police Chief? Mayor? President?
Are we to abolish the Police Forces and Let the Citizens fend for themselves? (Chicago)? Please explain to me what the protest want to achieve? Civil Rights, Sex Revolution Gay Rights how did they achieve their goals? They took part in the Government around them. So when are the next anti police politicians running?
They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.
Personally, in terms of the Charlotte shooting, it's going to be extremely difficult to convince me that the cops couldn't have de-escalated by moving to a distance, while the victim was still in the car, or by tasering him.
Everything I read suggests to me that in a very large number of police departments, training in de-escalation and non-lethal techniques are underutilized parts of community policing.
Link - ( New Window )
It isn't just the Charlotte protests, most of them are backed by paid, out of state, protesters.
A little misleading. You cant really make out if anything is in his hands.
Witnesses said he had something in his hands, a book.
Police say he had a gun.
A gun was recovered with his dna and prints on it
No book was recovered.
He also had an ankle holster and in the video it looked to me like his pant leg was pulled up slightly...