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dep026 : 9/21/2016 9:24 pm
All I can say is what a mess and it will not get better folks.
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RE: Body cam and Dash cam footage released  
steve in ky : 9/24/2016 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13138948 Gary from The East End said:
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Looks like they shot him while both of his hands were down by his waist. Don't see any gun in either video. Link - ( New Window )


That body cam is very inconclusive. No way of telling much of anything definitive.

People will see what they want to see with this.
OK, someone answer this for me, please...  
manh george : 9/24/2016 8:46 pm : link


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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.

“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.


Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?



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I am in favor of the police videos  
Big Al : 9/24/2016 8:47 pm : link
but in most cases I can't really see clearly what is happening and need others to tell me what I am seeing.
RE: OK, someone answer this for me, please...  
halfback20 : 9/24/2016 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13138962 manh george said:
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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.

“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.



Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?

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Open carrying and brandishing a firearm are two different things.
RE: OK, someone answer this for me, please...  
BigBlueShock : 9/24/2016 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13138962 manh george said:
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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.

“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.



Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?

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Ran his plates? I don't know for sure in this instance, but you may be surprised at how many people get their plates run on a daily basis. Considering the situation, is it really surprising if they called in a plate check and found he was a convicted felon?
RE: OK, someone answer this for me, please...  
steve in ky : 9/24/2016 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13138962 manh george said:
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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.

“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.



Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?

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Legal or not is irrelevant. Even if you are carrying a legal gun and the police order you to drop it and you refuse to do so after multiple orders they will view you as a threat.



RE: OK, someone answer this for me, please...  
madgiantscow009 : 9/24/2016 8:51 pm : link
In comment 13138962 manh george said:
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Police were going to let it go and continue on their original mission until an officer spotted a weapon in the vehicle, Putney said.

“It was not lawful for him to possess a firearm,” Putney said. “There was a crime he committed and the gun exacerbated the situation.



Given that NC is an open carry state, how did they know that this individual in particular having a gun in his vehicle was a crime? Did they stop and do a backgroup check before gunning him down?

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They witnessed drugs and a gun-a big no no. I'll post a press release in a second.
release by Charlotte PD  
madgiantscow009 : 9/24/2016 8:53 pm : link






RE: RE: RE: RE: Some think Protesting  
BMac : 9/24/2016 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13138907 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13138218 shelovesnycsports said:


Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.


Holy whack-a-doodle!
madgiantscow009  
steve in ky : 9/24/2016 9:00 pm : link
Thanks for posting that.

I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.
RE: madgiantscow009  
BigBlueShock : 9/24/2016 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13138976 steve in ky said:
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Thanks for posting that.

I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.

It depends how people came into this thinking. With many, they make their minds up before any facts come out, then try to defend their initial thoughts at all costs. Truth be damned. If someone decided initially that the cops killed a black man without reason, they will always feel that way. No matter what comes out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Some think Protesting  
PatersonPlank : 9/24/2016 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13138972 BMac said:
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In comment 13138907 PatersonPlank said:


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In comment 13138218 shelovesnycsports said:


Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.



Holy whack-a-doodle!


Stop with the "wackadoodle" stuff just because it doesn't fit your narrative. Its all over the news. I linked a video from the Charlotte police.

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Photo below  
halfback20 : 9/24/2016 9:15 pm : link
Looks like might have the gun in the right hand. Cam see pant leg pulled up and ankle holster
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GiantFilthy : 9/24/2016 9:15 pm : link
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PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.

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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters
Well then he has an issue  
PatersonPlank : 9/24/2016 9:17 pm : link
I'm tired of both sides quoting crap just to further their side. It just makes things worse.
RE: madgiantscow009  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 9/24/2016 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13138976 steve in ky said:
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Thanks for posting that.

I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.


Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.

I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?
RE: ==========  
PatersonPlank : 9/24/2016 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13138985 GiantFilthy said:
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PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.




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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters



Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.

“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"

I am so sick of this crap, from both sides.
After reading that report...  
RC02XX : 9/24/2016 9:24 pm : link
It's almost impossible to say that this was anything other than police doing their job with a lot of restraint and proper procedure, even to go as far as putting police vests on.

However, anyone who lumps this event with that of Tulsa from either side to bolster their own arguments are still assholes. That one was a total fuckup on the female officer. This one was an unfortunate case of a police officer doing what he had to do based on the continued and apparent threat.
RE: RE: madgiantscow009  
steve in ky : 9/24/2016 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13138989 Gary from The East End said:
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In comment 13138976 steve in ky said:


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Thanks for posting that.

I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.



Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.

I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?


Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.

Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.

Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?
Steve...  
RC02XX : 9/24/2016 9:29 pm : link
I'm with you. While there's a chance that what was reported may have not been 100% truthful, to automatically accuse them of lying seems to be extremely cynical to the point of conspiracy theory seeking.
RE: RE: RE: madgiantscow009  
halfback20 : 9/24/2016 9:37 pm : link
In comment 13138997 steve in ky said:
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In comment 13138989 Gary from The East End said:


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In comment 13138976 steve in ky said:


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Thanks for posting that.

I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.



Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.

I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?



Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.

Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.

Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?


No matter the evidence some people refuse to change their opinion when police are involved. Im not surprised at his position even after everything was released.
Just to lighten the mood  
RC02XX : 9/24/2016 9:43 pm : link
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Veteran who deployed once, never fired weapon, now expert on police use of force

THE INTERNET — Army veteran Ryan Smith, who deployed once to Iraq in 2011 and never fired his weapon in anger, has now transferred these experiences into critiquing police use of force within the United States on social media, sources confirm.



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I'm not saying anyone is lying  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 9/24/2016 9:44 pm : link
I'm saying that the official report of a police chief in this type of situation is essentially worthless.
I think Scott saw the movie 'Heat' and thought he could....  
MOOPS : 9/24/2016 9:46 pm : link
get away with the same shit DeNiro did in the hallway.

Fool me once....
RE: RE: madgiantscow009  
ctc in ftmyers : 9/24/2016 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13138989 Gary from The East End said:
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In comment 13138976 steve in ky said:


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Thanks for posting that.


I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.



Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.

I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?


Holy crap Gary!! That is all I can say.

My first response on this thread.

Just what are your credentials and education to make such a statement?

What is your knowledge of criminal investigations and what procedures must be followed before the Chief of a major city and county could make that statement under the review of the federal attorney general and the states attorneys general offices?

You truly don't think that an African American Police Chief with the eyes of the nation on him just shot off from the hip?

With all due respect, you're an idiot for making that statement.

Pretty concerning the police caved to the mob mentality  
Patrick77 : 9/24/2016 10:06 pm : link
Releasing the videos only makes sense from the standpoint of potentially stopping rioting. Decisions on whether the officers made a huge mistake or no mistakes or should be charged should not be done in the court of public opinion.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Some think Protesting  
shelovesnycsports : 9/24/2016 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13138972 BMac said:
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In comment 13138907 PatersonPlank said:


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In comment 13138218 shelovesnycsports said:


Quote:They are rioting because they are being paid too by Soros, and other ultra-liberal big $ backers. I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.



Holy whack-a-doodle!


Nice try but I never posted that.
I dare you to find it not highlighted in yellow
Wacko
RE: Some think Protesting  
shelovesnycsports : 9/24/2016 11:26 pm : link
In comment 13138192 shelovesnycsports said:
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Is the in thing to do. You will never change their minds. Its about fight the Authority and Peter Pan syndrome. To make the Authority the bad guy.
Yet life is about choices and our choices lead to consequences. Do I obey the Law and stay on the right path or do I do what I want. Do I escape reality and do drugs, If I don't have money for something I want I steal it. Hell nobody tells me what and what not I can do. I think both dead men fell into this category.


THIS IS WHAT I POSTED.
Must have hit a nerve
Great moments in protesting  
Greg from LI : 9/25/2016 12:16 am : link
From the Twitter of a Charlotte reporter....



This sidewalk was turned into a memorial of sorts, with the names of various black people killed by the police. The name in the foreground, Dahir Adan, is the guy who went on a stabbing rampage through a mall in Minnesota. Outstanding work there.
shelovesnycsports, yes, you hit a nerve.  
manh george : 9/25/2016 2:29 am : link
Just so you know, "hitting a nerve" can fall into at least two categories.

There's the "someone just posted an uncomfortable truth" category.

And then there is the "oh my god, that comment is fucking nuts" category.

Your comment falls nicely and comfortably into the latter. Knowing that you think it falls into the former just turns a few more stomachs, or hits a few more nerves.
"Essentially worthless"??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/25/2016 9:25 am : link
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I'm not saying anyone is lying
Gary from The East End : Admin : 9/24/2016 9:44 pm : link : reply
I'm saying that the official report of a police chief in this type of situation is essentially worthless.


What the fuck? It isn't just the report. It is the whole series of events. They have the recording of the officers calling in the incident before it escalated. Two plainsclothed officers were in a car waiting to serve a warrant and Scott pulled up next to them, rolled a joint and had a gun in his hand.

They backed the car out, called for backup, and reapproached his vehicle. The call for backup is recorded.

From day one, the police chief has maintained that his officers had reasonable cause, he's admitted that videos don't show the totality of the situation.

It is one thing to think that things aren't as reported, but to insinuate that the report is worthless is just an idiotic take.
What part of the report, exactly,  
Britt in VA : 9/25/2016 9:27 am : link
isn't corroborated by the videos they released?

Seem to match up pretty well from what I can tell. And unlike the family members account of what happened, the police account of what happened has been pretty consistent since this was first reported.
RE: RE: ==========  
Chris in Philly : 9/25/2016 9:42 am : link
In comment 13138995 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13138985 GiantFilthy said:


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PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.




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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters





Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.

“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"

I am so sick of this crap, from both sides.


Oh, so you mean Soros isn't secretly building up an army of professional protesters on his payroll that he flies around from state to state?
RE: RE: RE: RE: madgiantscow009  
BMac : 9/25/2016 9:57 am : link
In comment 13139005 halfback20 said:
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In comment 13138997 steve in ky said:


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In comment 13138989 Gary from The East End said:


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In comment 13138976 steve in ky said:


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Thanks for posting that.

I don't know how after reading that any reasonable person would fault the police officers.



Of course. I mean, it's not like a police chief would ever write up a self-serving report that shades the truth or ignores facts in order to clear officers of any wrongdoing.

I mean, I'm sure their internal investigation showed that all relevant procedures were followed to the letter and the shooting was completely justified. And shouldn't that be enough for anyone?



Whenever there is a shooting like this there is always an investigation. Evidence needs to be supported.

Odd your take is to automatically assume the police lied at the scene and I guess planted evidence and that there is now an organized cover up from the department.

Even if you have that much disdain for police do you really think so many involved would so casually risk personal ruin?



No matter the evidence some people refuse to change their opinion when police are involved. Im not surprised at his position even after everything was released.


Pot, meet Kettle.
^^^  
RC02XX : 9/25/2016 10:21 am : link
Haha
RE: RE: RE: ==========  
PatersonPlank : 9/25/2016 10:44 am : link
In comment 13139296 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13138995 PatersonPlank said:


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In comment 13138985 GiantFilthy said:


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PatersonPlank : 7:52 pm : link : reply
I saw a stat somewhere that 70% of the people arrested in Charlotte were from out of state.




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Charlotte police union official acknowledges ‘I didn’t quote facts’ on out-of-state protesters





Yep I found the article in the Charlotte Observer. The quote is "Of the 43 people arrested late Wednesday night and early Thursday morning, 34 – or 79 percent – live in Charlotte, the Observer found. Most of the others live elsewhere in North Carolina, including Albemarle, Gastonia and Greensboro. Three others were arrested Thursday night; of those, two were from Charlotte and the third had not been identified by midafternoon Friday.

“I didn’t quote facts,” Todd Walther, spokesman for the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Fraternal Order of Police told the Observer on Friday. “It’s speculation. That’s all it was.”"

I am so sick of this crap, from both sides.



Oh, so you mean Soros isn't secretly building up an army of professional protesters on his payroll that he flies around from state to state?


Two points for my response. First, the spokesman for the police exaggerated/lied about the 70% stat. After this being pointed out to me I rescinded the comment. How was I supposed to know he was outright lying? Second, Soros has given at least $33 million in one year to support already-established groups that emboldened the grass-roots, on-the-ground activists in Ferguson. This is according to the most recent tax filings of his nonprofit Open Society Foundations. So yes, he is indirectly funding the groups that apply protesters to all these events. There are groups orchestrating things behind the scenes in most of these events.
Soros  
pjcas18 : 9/25/2016 10:57 am : link
absolutely funds and encourages the protestors or even just lobbyism/social activism.

He documented gave 650k recently to BLM, he and his foundation denied it, but then hackers revealed the truth.

Hackers may be criminal, but these days I trust them much more than the MSM or even most people.
RE: Soros  
BMac : 9/25/2016 11:53 am : link
In comment 13139386 pjcas18 said:
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absolutely funds and encourages the protestors or even just lobbyism/social activism.

He documented gave 650k recently to BLM, he and his foundation denied it, but then hackers revealed the truth.

Hackers may be criminal, but these days I trust them much more than the MSM or even most people.


And the Koch brothers slated $889 million for political spending for 2016. What's the point here.
RE: RE: Soros  
pjcas18 : 9/25/2016 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13139453 BMac said:
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In comment 13139386 pjcas18 said:


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absolutely funds and encourages the protestors or even just lobbyism/social activism.

He documented gave 650k recently to BLM, he and his foundation denied it, but then hackers revealed the truth.

Hackers may be criminal, but these days I trust them much more than the MSM or even most people.



And the Koch brothers slated $889 million for political spending for 2016. What's the point here.


The point was about George Soros influence on BLM or paid protestors and it's absolutely true.

I didn't think it was a pissing match or "only Soros does this" but if your post makes you feel better than I'm glad you added it.
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