Scott was foolish for not following the officer's orders. does not mean that the officer acted appropriately and does not mean that he deserved to be killed.
True...he MAY not have deserved to get killed, but he greatly increased the chances of it happening by his refusal to follow instructions. An officer is going to get the benefit of the doubt in almost any case involving this type of situation. Scott should not have gotten out of the car with a gun...and then to make matters worse...refusing (apparently) to not place it down when directed. He chose poorly in this situation and his actions directly resulted in his own death.
you do need to legally obtain that gun, which is the point being made here over and over and over and over and over and over again.
You are talking about legally carrying a gun period, which isn't a law in this country. It would mean drug dealers with illegally purchased firearms aren't breaking any laws walking home with their gun holstered.
I get that you need a permit to purchase a gun. but my understanding is once you have obtained that permit, you don't need to always have the permit on you, nor do you need a separate permit to "openly carry" the gun - only if you are concealing it do you need a permit. please correct me if that is not the case.
In North Carolina I don't believe you need a carry permit (looks like they don't have them) but you do need a permit to purchase. Basically this covers people who purchased a gun in CT, relocate to NC, and can still legally use their guns. They would need to get a NC permit to purchase if they wanted to buy again, but they can use their already out of state purchased guns, legally.
Regardless of the state by state laws, the police still have the right to ask you to disarm, for whatever reason they want.
points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
Quote:
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
K. FOR PURPOSES OF CARRYING CONCEALED WEAPONS, DOES IT MAKE A
DIFFERENCE IF THE WEAPON IS UNLOADED?
ANSWER: No. North Carolina General Statute § 14-269 does not specify whether the
weapon has to be loaded or unloaded. Rather, the location of the weapon is
looked at to determine whether or not it is concealed.
Once it is no longer concealed there are certain behaviors one must follow.
is the thought of people walking around legally carrying guns while the cops try to figure out who should drop it and who can go on about their business.
EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE (active law enforcement included)
stopped by a uniformed member of the service who is in possession of a firearm IS TO FOLLOW ALL ORDERS GIVEN by that or any other officer and is to ADHERE TO THEIR COMMANDS!! The situation will be sorted out after the officers know their safety is not at risk.
Is North Carolina an open carry state? not sure of it. I've seen too many videos of Yahoo Cowboys in open carry states shadowing Police Officers in the course of their work, at times violating their personal space at traffic. The officer would ask the said Cowboy to back away to no avail.
Traffic stops and Domestic disturbance complaints are two of the deadliest jobs to respond to as a Police Officer, you don't need anyone distracting you while in the course of your duty.
points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
Quote:
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
Same here in CT (and I imagine everywhere). If you leave your home with your gun you must have your permit with you (like driving a car) and you must follow all directions by law enforcement when in possession of a firearm.
points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
Quote:
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
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if he wasn't breaking any laws by holding the gun, why are they confronting him and asking him to drop it in the first place? either you have open carry laws and let people walk around with handguns or you don't. if it's as legal to openly carry handguns as an ice cream cone, then why aren't police randomly confronting people who are carrying ice cream cones to drop their cones?
When is the last time someone used an ice cream cone to kill someone?
Should police not have the opportunity to determine if someone actually has a permit to carry the gun? And is it unreasonable for someone to place the gun down when asked to by a police officer?
my point is that if it's just as legal to openly carry a handgun as it is an ice cream cone (as you don't need a permit to openly carry a gun in north Carolina just like you don't need a permit to carry an ice cream cone), why did the cops instigate an altercation with a law abiding citizen who was minding his own business?
Just to demonstrate the perceived double standards of racial-profiling by police and to Randy's earlier point in this thread, this white north Carolina man was arrested after waving a shotgun at passing cars and firing his pistol at a police officer, which is on a completely different level of reasonable expectation of threat than Scott's facts. Link - ( New Window )
Yet no response from people about your point made here. And this is the reason why people become upset. I don't understand how people can't acknowledge the difference in how situations are handled.
Again with this "minding his own business" claim. Â
points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
Quote:
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
if someone is holding a gun in their hand, walking toward police (even with it pointed at the ground) and refused to drop the weapon after repeated commands to do so, you are absolutely 100% at risk to legally be shot.
I have no idea what happened that day, not going to pretend to. But if the above is what happened, then the cops did what is within their right to do. You may not like hearing that, but its the truth.
No, they were not. they took the easy way out rather than de-escalate the matter. more police forces need to take a page from dallas' training of their police officers, who are given in depth training in de-escalation and have seen a major drop in both shootings of police officers and citizens.
Didn't see this gem, where do I even start?
Deescalation is a term used for all sorts of situations and has different procedures for each scenario. When a deadly weapon is in hand, it takes a split second for someone to aim and shoot. The deescalation started when they told him to put down the gun. There is no magic way to calmly talk someone down from a ledge, in this case. Its a split second life or death situation that the perp put himself in. Had he dropped the gun, the deescalation would have been successful. He didn't, so it wasn't.
points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
Quote:
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
Quote:
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
the same rules do not apply for concealed weapons as open carry. the rules above are specific to CONCEALED weapons (permits, ID, disclosure of the fact you are carrying a concealed weapon). scott was not concealing his weapon so those rules do not apply.
de-escalation does not constitute approaching a man who was not breaking any laws, drawing your guns at him, screaming drop your weapon!!!, and then shooting to kill. that is escalation, not de-escalation.
points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
Quote:
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
He did not own a handgun and "he doesn't know" if he had a permit. Others have said that he couldn't have had a permit since he was convicted of a crime a few years ago.
points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
Quote:
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
the same rules do not apply for concealed weapons as open carry. the rules above are specific to CONCEALED weapons (permits, ID, disclosure of the fact you are carrying a concealed weapon). scott was not concealing his weapon so those rules do not apply.
de-escalation does not constitute approaching a man who was not breaking any laws, drawing your guns at him, screaming drop your weapon!!!, and then shooting to kill. that is escalation, not de-escalation.
The only rule that is different is that you don't need a permit to open carry. Everything else is the same, including following law enforcement instructions. Do you think open carry means you don't have to follow police instruction?
Your scenario above about how he was approach is also not accurate by many reports. The police can walk up to anyone, for any reason, to ask them a question. You, like so many, are making it seem like they walked up to an unarmed man, yelled at him, then shot him dead. And that is shitty.
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
Only applies to CONCEALED handguns not open handguns.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
Again, this only applies to CONCEALED handguns. Is there a separate law that states you cannot draw or display a non-concealed handgun (e.g. one that is in your holster?) if so, what does the law specifically state?
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
so tell me what the laws to openly carry give you the right to, i'd love to hear that. Let me know whether or not a police officer has the right to tell you to surrender your weapon and then get back to me.
The only reason the language is written that way is because a police officer, or anyone else, wouldn't know you have a concealed weapon. Those steps are written to prevent surprises and knee jerk reactions from happening (Greg in LI painted a good scenario earlier in this thread).
Now go look up what you are allowed to do while openly carrying a gun and get back to me, i'm eagerly awaiting your findings.
you've taken a shitload of time to discuss LAWFUL use of open carry protocols while the fact is that Scott didn't have a permit, nor was he lawfully allowed to carry a weapon as a felon.
That alone pretty much invalidates any attempt to understand the open carry laws.
Woman two rows in front of me is talking intentionally loud on her phone. She brought up the Oklahoma shooting and said "being black I guess we learned they can kill us for anything. This guy gets shot because his car breaks down. I guess they will kill you if you're in a car the breaks down now".
I wanted to refrain getting into all of this but this angered me. It's the epitome of how all of these protests, riots are useless. If you're not going to consider anything from the other side of the argument how do you expect things to change if you think they're wrong. I understand that the feelings of hate stem from things much deeper than just the recent police shootings. I also understand that each event isn't a result of the same actions and there are major differences in each case.
It really does sicken me though. This shows me people are searching anything to fuel their tirade against the rest of society. There's racism on the other side as well.
you are lawfully required to surrender your weapon, drop your weapon or present your weapon for inspection as well as have your ID on you if asked by an officer.
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
Only applies to CONCEALED handguns not open handguns.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
Again, this only applies to CONCEALED handguns. Is there a separate law that states you cannot draw or display a non-concealed handgun (e.g. one that is in your holster?) if so, what does the law specifically state?
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
Again, this applies to only CONCEALED handguns.
Logically, why would you not need to have a permit with you if you carry an unconcealed weapon but you would for a concealed one? I'm curious as to the rationale?
Also, what is the rationale for not letting an officer know that you have a gun, under any circumstance? I would think that if the gun was not hidden away but within easy access, it would be *more* important, not less, for a cop to know about it.
Also, why do you believe they require you to comply with a cop's request to drop a concealed weapon but continue holding an unconcealed one?
The logic behind all of that isn't clear at all, IMO.
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
Only applies to CONCEALED handguns not open handguns.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
Again, this only applies to CONCEALED handguns. Is there a separate law that states you cannot draw or display a non-concealed handgun (e.g. one that is in your holster?) if so, what does the law specifically state?
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
Again, this applies to only CONCEALED handguns.
Logically, why would you not need to have a permit with you if you carry an unconcealed weapon but you would for a concealed one? I'm curious as to the rationale?
Also, what is the rationale for not letting an officer know that you have a gun, under any circumstance? I would think that if the gun was not hidden away but within easy access, it would be *more* important, not less, for a cop to know about it.
Also, why do you believe they require you to comply with a cop's request to drop a concealed weapon but continue holding an unconcealed one?
The logic behind all of that isn't clear at all, IMO.
I'm not the expert here, and as I said previously I am not a fan of open carry allowances for one main reason, I believe in every state that allows open carry you are not required to obtain a permit to do so, it's more of a "constitutional carry" policy where the 2nd amendment is considered your permit.
So you have untrained people carrying firearms.
I also believe it's true that in every state where you are allowed to concealed carry you need a concealed carry permit, which requires a training class, an application (which normally includes a background check) and a permit.
So I believe the logic is open carry where it's allowed (and it's not allowed in MA (via a technicality that I won't bore you with - it's actually allowed but it's grounds to revoke your concealed carry permit) so it's not even an option for me) it's a pure constitutional right, but concealed carry isn't, but it's generally a safer option.
you've taken a shitload of time to discuss LAWFUL use of open carry protocols while the fact is that Scott didn't have a permit, nor was he lawfully allowed to carry a weapon as a felon.
That alone pretty much invalidates any attempt to understand the open carry laws.
fair enough, though at the time they encountered/approached him, they did not know he was a felon and didn't have a permit to purchase. it's also still not clear to me what constitutes an illegal "brandishment" of a handgun i.e. what is the threshold by which a permissible open carry becomes an illegal brandishment.
thanks, at least I'm pretty sure that's correct, gun laws are tricky, sometimes I think intentionally tricky.
After I took my safety class required to get my LTC I took a MA gun law class just to make sure I transported, stored, carried, and used my firearm properly. It gets confusing.
Les, I'm not caught up on everything that has come out today, but.... Â
how do we know what the police knew about him? Is it established that they didn't know him? Could they have run his plates, or is it possible that someone recognized him as a prior felon?
I agree with the posts here that claim they are a huge part of the problem. They are basically creating the divide between people and pouring gasoline on the fire.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
expect violence and threats to better the situation for when any future police encounter someone they perceive is a threat?
Seems like that will only increase the likelihood of an officer being a little to jumpy and quick to respond to a perceived threat.
If these protests were largely nonviolent and nonresistant similar to what MLKjr used to orchestrate they would have a tremendous more impact and receive much more overwhelming support from the public.
thanks, at least I'm pretty sure that's correct, gun laws are tricky, sometimes I think intentionally tricky.
After I took my safety class required to get my LTC I took a MA gun law class just to make sure I transported, stored, carried, and used my firearm properly. It gets confusing.
I spend half of my time in Boston and can't bring my guns from NY with me. Of course I have no reason to
thanks, at least I'm pretty sure that's correct, gun laws are tricky, sometimes I think intentionally tricky.
After I took my safety class required to get my LTC I took a MA gun law class just to make sure I transported, stored, carried, and used my firearm properly. It gets confusing.
I spend half of my time in Boston and can't bring my guns from NY with me. Of course I have no reason to
I believe if you get a Utah permit you can, as it's one of the most accepted reciprocal permits in the country.
I think both sides of the coin are painting one another in very broad brush strokes, and simply talking past one another. It only takes a few bad apples to make good cops like bad. On the other side the coin, it only takes a few bad apples to make protesters look bad. Trust is easier to undo than it is to build.
I agree with the posts here that claim they are a huge part of the problem. They are basically creating the divide between people and pouring gasoline on the fire.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
ive long felt that newspapers and tv news and all of their writers/on-air talkers should be required to disclose political affiliations, donations, etc. just below the masthead or in the closing credits and/or as story preambles. By law, just like...you financial guys tell me what it is...where stock analysists have to disclose positions they have when giving advice and evaluations.
I know that several medical journals require paper authors to disclose financial positions or research support by pharma within their papers. That's essentially the same thing as media reporting directed by political ideology.
I agree with the posts here that claim they are a huge part of the problem. They are basically creating the divide between people and pouring gasoline on the fire.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
DANGER. Who makes the decisions concerning violations. The party in control. The government will be able to slant the news however they want. Many people think it is already slanted. You ain't seen nothing yet if this system is ever adopted.
I agree with the posts here that claim they are a huge part of the problem. They are basically creating the divide between people and pouring gasoline on the fire.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
ive long felt that newspapers and tv news and all of their writers/on-air talkers should be required to disclose political affiliations, donations, etc. just below the masthead or in the closing credits and/or as story preambles. By law, just like...you financial guys tell me what it is...where stock analysists have to disclose positions they have when giving advice and evaluations.
I know that several medical journals require paper authors to disclose financial positions or research support by pharma within their papers. That's essentially the same thing as media reporting directed by political ideology.
someone posted this, I thought it was interesting.
1. ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama’s National Security Advisor.
2. CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications.
3. NBC News Political Analyst, David Axelrod was Obama's Chief Campaign Advisor and Senior Advisor directly to Obama himself.
4. NBC CEO Stephen Burke is a Board Member of Warren Buffet’s Company Berkshire Hathaway. Buffet donated almost a BILLION dollars to Obama’s campaign.
5. ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who now works for CNN as a commentator.
6. ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.
7. ABC News chief political correspondent and anchor George Stephanopoulos was the White House Communications Director then Senior Advisor for Policy and Strategy for Bill Clinton, and was just caught secretly donating $75,000 to the Clinton foundation.
8. ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.
9. CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.
10. NBC Chelsea Clinton was making $600,000.00 a year + benefits as a starting reporter.
11. Univision’s Emmy Award Winning Anchor Jorge Ramos’s daughter is working on Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign.
12. Yahoo is partnered with ABC News. The CEO of yahoo, Marissa Mayer is also an Obama campaign donor.
and the lawyer made a statement saying they have some things to digest. I don't know why I can't link the video though. No initial outrage from the family after seeing the video.
I agree with the posts here that claim they are a huge part of the problem. They are basically creating the divide between people and pouring gasoline on the fire.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
ive long felt that newspapers and tv news and all of their writers/on-air talkers should be required to disclose political affiliations, donations, etc. just below the masthead or in the closing credits and/or as story preambles. By law, just like...you financial guys tell me what it is...where stock analysists have to disclose positions they have when giving advice and evaluations.
I know that several medical journals require paper authors to disclose financial positions or research support by pharma within their papers. That's essentially the same thing as media reporting directed by political ideology.
someone posted this, I thought it was interesting.
1. ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama’s National Security Advisor.
2. CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications.
3. NBC News Political Analyst, David Axelrod was Obama's Chief Campaign Advisor and Senior Advisor directly to Obama himself.
4. NBC CEO Stephen Burke is a Board Member of Warren Buffet’s Company Berkshire Hathaway. Buffet donated almost a BILLION dollars to Obama’s campaign.
5. ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who now works for CNN as a commentator.
6. ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.
7. ABC News chief political correspondent and anchor George Stephanopoulos was the White House Communications Director then Senior Advisor for Policy and Strategy for Bill Clinton, and was just caught secretly donating $75,000 to the Clinton foundation.
8. ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.
9. CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.
10. NBC Chelsea Clinton was making $600,000.00 a year + benefits as a starting reporter.
11. Univision’s Emmy Award Winning Anchor Jorge Ramos’s daughter is working on Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign.
12. Yahoo is partnered with ABC News. The CEO of yahoo, Marissa Mayer is also an Obama campaign donor.
I'm sure the other side has some connections too.
imo, this should be a required disclosure fronting every news broadcast for the respective stations.
You'd have to be a pure and myopic partisan to believe that this does not engineer how the public views current events and mold opinion in a propagandist fashion. When it happens from the other side as well.
Scott was foolish for not following the officer's orders. does not mean that the officer acted appropriately and does not mean that he deserved to be killed.
True...he MAY not have deserved to get killed, but he greatly increased the chances of it happening by his refusal to follow instructions. An officer is going to get the benefit of the doubt in almost any case involving this type of situation. Scott should not have gotten out of the car with a gun...and then to make matters worse...refusing (apparently) to not place it down when directed. He chose poorly in this situation and his actions directly resulted in his own death.
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you do need to legally obtain that gun, which is the point being made here over and over and over and over and over and over again.
You are talking about legally carrying a gun period, which isn't a law in this country. It would mean drug dealers with illegally purchased firearms aren't breaking any laws walking home with their gun holstered.
I get that you need a permit to purchase a gun. but my understanding is once you have obtained that permit, you don't need to always have the permit on you, nor do you need a separate permit to "openly carry" the gun - only if you are concealing it do you need a permit. please correct me if that is not the case.
In North Carolina I don't believe you need a carry permit (looks like they don't have them) but you do need a permit to purchase. Basically this covers people who purchased a gun in CT, relocate to NC, and can still legally use their guns. They would need to get a NC permit to purchase if they wanted to buy again, but they can use their already out of state purchased guns, legally.
Regardless of the state by state laws, the police still have the right to ask you to disarm, for whatever reason they want.
1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws
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DIFFERENCE IF THE WEAPON IS UNLOADED?
ANSWER: No. North Carolina General Statute § 14-269 does not specify whether the
weapon has to be loaded or unloaded. Rather, the location of the weapon is
looked at to determine whether or not it is concealed.
Once it is no longer concealed there are certain behaviors one must follow.
EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE (active law enforcement included)
stopped by a uniformed member of the service who is in possession of a firearm IS TO FOLLOW ALL ORDERS GIVEN by that or any other officer and is to ADHERE TO THEIR COMMANDS!! The situation will be sorted out after the officers know their safety is not at risk.
Is North Carolina an open carry state? not sure of it. I've seen too many videos of Yahoo Cowboys in open carry states shadowing Police Officers in the course of their work, at times violating their personal space at traffic. The officer would ask the said Cowboy to back away to no avail.
Traffic stops and Domestic disturbance complaints are two of the deadliest jobs to respond to as a Police Officer, you don't need anyone distracting you while in the course of your duty.
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
Same here in CT (and I imagine everywhere). If you leave your home with your gun you must have your permit with you (like driving a car) and you must follow all directions by law enforcement when in possession of a firearm.
It can't get any more cut and dry than that.
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
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if he wasn't breaking any laws by holding the gun, why are they confronting him and asking him to drop it in the first place? either you have open carry laws and let people walk around with handguns or you don't. if it's as legal to openly carry handguns as an ice cream cone, then why aren't police randomly confronting people who are carrying ice cream cones to drop their cones?
When is the last time someone used an ice cream cone to kill someone?
Should police not have the opportunity to determine if someone actually has a permit to carry the gun? And is it unreasonable for someone to place the gun down when asked to by a police officer?
my point is that if it's just as legal to openly carry a handgun as it is an ice cream cone (as you don't need a permit to openly carry a gun in north Carolina just like you don't need a permit to carry an ice cream cone), why did the cops instigate an altercation with a law abiding citizen who was minding his own business?
Just to demonstrate the perceived double standards of racial-profiling by police and to Randy's earlier point in this thread, this white north Carolina man was arrested after waving a shotgun at passing cars and firing his pistol at a police officer, which is on a completely different level of reasonable expectation of threat than Scott's facts. Link - ( New Window )
Yet no response from people about your point made here. And this is the reason why people become upset. I don't understand how people can't acknowledge the difference in how situations are handled.
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points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
You are really on a crusade here.
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if someone is holding a gun in their hand, walking toward police (even with it pointed at the ground) and refused to drop the weapon after repeated commands to do so, you are absolutely 100% at risk to legally be shot.
I have no idea what happened that day, not going to pretend to. But if the above is what happened, then the cops did what is within their right to do. You may not like hearing that, but its the truth.
No, they were not. they took the easy way out rather than de-escalate the matter. more police forces need to take a page from dallas' training of their police officers, who are given in depth training in de-escalation and have seen a major drop in both shootings of police officers and citizens.
Didn't see this gem, where do I even start?
Deescalation is a term used for all sorts of situations and has different procedures for each scenario. When a deadly weapon is in hand, it takes a split second for someone to aim and shoot. The deescalation started when they told him to put down the gun. There is no magic way to calmly talk someone down from a ledge, in this case. Its a split second life or death situation that the perp put himself in. Had he dropped the gun, the deescalation would have been successful. He didn't, so it wasn't.
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points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
You are really on a crusade here.
You have to write it in French for Les too.
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points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
de-escalation does not constitute approaching a man who was not breaking any laws, drawing your guns at him, screaming drop your weapon!!!, and then shooting to kill. that is escalation, not de-escalation.
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In comment 13136281 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
You are really on a crusade here.
You have to write it in French for Les too.
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In comment 13136281 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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points of the NC concealed weapon laws. Point 1 says you MUST carry the permit whenever you have your weapon:
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
The link goes to the entirety of the gun laws NC gun laws - ( New Window )
correct, this applies in the case of concealed weapons. but as the link indicates, that does not apply to people who carry firearms "openly". from the initial account, scott was not concealing his weapon.
The same rules apply, you just don't need a permit to openly carry. That doesn't make you exempt from following orders from the police, especially when it involves a deadly weapon.
the same rules do not apply for concealed weapons as open carry. the rules above are specific to CONCEALED weapons (permits, ID, disclosure of the fact you are carrying a concealed weapon). scott was not concealing his weapon so those rules do not apply.
de-escalation does not constitute approaching a man who was not breaking any laws, drawing your guns at him, screaming drop your weapon!!!, and then shooting to kill. that is escalation, not de-escalation.
The only rule that is different is that you don't need a permit to open carry. Everything else is the same, including following law enforcement instructions. Do you think open carry means you don't have to follow police instruction?
Your scenario above about how he was approach is also not accurate by many reports. The police can walk up to anyone, for any reason, to ask them a question. You, like so many, are making it seem like they walked up to an unarmed man, yelled at him, then shot him dead. And that is shitty.
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Yup, saw that this morning. Riots are the best!
Ohh, and if I ever get arrested for a felony, I'm definitely moving to NC where I can legally carry my illegally obtained gun.
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
Only applies to CONCEALED handguns not open handguns.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
Again, this only applies to CONCEALED handguns. Is there a separate law that states you cannot draw or display a non-concealed handgun (e.g. one that is in your holster?) if so, what does the law specifically state?
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
Again, this applies to only CONCEALED handguns.
The only reason the language is written that way is because a police officer, or anyone else, wouldn't know you have a concealed weapon. Those steps are written to prevent surprises and knee jerk reactions from happening (Greg in LI painted a good scenario earlier in this thread).
Now go look up what you are allowed to do while openly carrying a gun and get back to me, i'm eagerly awaiting your findings.
That alone pretty much invalidates any attempt to understand the open carry laws.
I wanted to refrain getting into all of this but this angered me. It's the epitome of how all of these protests, riots are useless. If you're not going to consider anything from the other side of the argument how do you expect things to change if you think they're wrong. I understand that the feelings of hate stem from things much deeper than just the recent police shootings. I also understand that each event isn't a result of the same actions and there are major differences in each case.
It really does sicken me though. This shows me people are searching anything to fuel their tirade against the rest of society. There's racism on the other side as well.
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
Only applies to CONCEALED handguns not open handguns.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
Again, this only applies to CONCEALED handguns. Is there a separate law that states you cannot draw or display a non-concealed handgun (e.g. one that is in your holster?) if so, what does the law specifically state?
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
Again, this applies to only CONCEALED handguns.
Also, what is the rationale for not letting an officer know that you have a gun, under any circumstance? I would think that if the gun was not hidden away but within easy access, it would be *more* important, not less, for a cop to know about it.
Also, why do you believe they require you to comply with a cop's request to drop a concealed weapon but continue holding an unconcealed one?
The logic behind all of that isn't clear at all, IMO.
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1. Your permit to carry a concealed handgun must be carried along with valid identification
whenever the handgun is being carried concealed.
Only applies to CONCEALED handguns not open handguns.
2. When approached or addressed by any officer, you must disclose the fact that you have a
valid concealed handgun permit and inform the officer that you are in possession of a
concealed handgun. You should not attempt to draw or display either your weapon or your
permit for the officer unless and until he/she directs you to do so. Your hands are to be kept
in plain view and you are not to make any sudden movements.
Again, this only applies to CONCEALED handguns. Is there a separate law that states you cannot draw or display a non-concealed handgun (e.g. one that is in your holster?) if so, what does the law specifically state?
3. At the request of any law enforcement officer, you must display both the permit and valid
identification.
Again, this applies to only CONCEALED handguns.
Logically, why would you not need to have a permit with you if you carry an unconcealed weapon but you would for a concealed one? I'm curious as to the rationale?
Also, what is the rationale for not letting an officer know that you have a gun, under any circumstance? I would think that if the gun was not hidden away but within easy access, it would be *more* important, not less, for a cop to know about it.
Also, why do you believe they require you to comply with a cop's request to drop a concealed weapon but continue holding an unconcealed one?
The logic behind all of that isn't clear at all, IMO.
I'm not the expert here, and as I said previously I am not a fan of open carry allowances for one main reason, I believe in every state that allows open carry you are not required to obtain a permit to do so, it's more of a "constitutional carry" policy where the 2nd amendment is considered your permit.
So you have untrained people carrying firearms.
I also believe it's true that in every state where you are allowed to concealed carry you need a concealed carry permit, which requires a training class, an application (which normally includes a background check) and a permit.
So I believe the logic is open carry where it's allowed (and it's not allowed in MA (via a technicality that I won't bore you with - it's actually allowed but it's grounds to revoke your concealed carry permit) so it's not even an option for me) it's a pure constitutional right, but concealed carry isn't, but it's generally a safer option.
Safer for the gun owner from potential trouble.
He was undercover that is why he did n't have a body cam!!!
That alone pretty much invalidates any attempt to understand the open carry laws.
thanks, at least I'm pretty sure that's correct, gun laws are tricky, sometimes I think intentionally tricky.
After I took my safety class required to get my LTC I took a MA gun law class just to make sure I transported, stored, carried, and used my firearm properly. It gets confusing.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
Seems like that will only increase the likelihood of an officer being a little to jumpy and quick to respond to a perceived threat.
If these protests were largely nonviolent and nonresistant similar to what MLKjr used to orchestrate they would have a tremendous more impact and receive much more overwhelming support from the public.
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Good post.
thanks, at least I'm pretty sure that's correct, gun laws are tricky, sometimes I think intentionally tricky.
After I took my safety class required to get my LTC I took a MA gun law class just to make sure I transported, stored, carried, and used my firearm properly. It gets confusing.
I spend half of my time in Boston and can't bring my guns from NY with me. Of course I have no reason to
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Good post.
thanks, at least I'm pretty sure that's correct, gun laws are tricky, sometimes I think intentionally tricky.
After I took my safety class required to get my LTC I took a MA gun law class just to make sure I transported, stored, carried, and used my firearm properly. It gets confusing.
I spend half of my time in Boston and can't bring my guns from NY with me. Of course I have no reason to
I believe if you get a Utah permit you can, as it's one of the most accepted reciprocal permits in the country.
I'm taking the Utah course in November.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
I know that several medical journals require paper authors to disclose financial positions or research support by pharma within their papers. That's essentially the same thing as media reporting directed by political ideology.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
Al, your favorite woman is on Funny or Die. It's very funny and well done. Check it out.
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I agree with the posts here that claim they are a huge part of the problem. They are basically creating the divide between people and pouring gasoline on the fire.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
ive long felt that newspapers and tv news and all of their writers/on-air talkers should be required to disclose political affiliations, donations, etc. just below the masthead or in the closing credits and/or as story preambles. By law, just like...you financial guys tell me what it is...where stock analysists have to disclose positions they have when giving advice and evaluations.
I know that several medical journals require paper authors to disclose financial positions or research support by pharma within their papers. That's essentially the same thing as media reporting directed by political ideology.
someone posted this, I thought it was interesting.
1. ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama’s National Security Advisor.
2. CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications.
3. NBC News Political Analyst, David Axelrod was Obama's Chief Campaign Advisor and Senior Advisor directly to Obama himself.
4. NBC CEO Stephen Burke is a Board Member of Warren Buffet’s Company Berkshire Hathaway. Buffet donated almost a BILLION dollars to Obama’s campaign.
5. ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who now works for CNN as a commentator.
6. ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.
7. ABC News chief political correspondent and anchor George Stephanopoulos was the White House Communications Director then Senior Advisor for Policy and Strategy for Bill Clinton, and was just caught secretly donating $75,000 to the Clinton foundation.
8. ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.
9. CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.
10. NBC Chelsea Clinton was making $600,000.00 a year + benefits as a starting reporter.
11. Univision’s Emmy Award Winning Anchor Jorge Ramos’s daughter is working on Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign.
12. Yahoo is partnered with ABC News. The CEO of yahoo, Marissa Mayer is also an Obama campaign donor.
I'm sure the other side has some connections too.
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I agree with the posts here that claim they are a huge part of the problem. They are basically creating the divide between people and pouring gasoline on the fire.
I believe the following SHOULD happen...
1. News programs have to register as NEWS up front if they are to report news. Otherwise they are considered to be "entertainment" and must label their shows as such.
2. News programs must report the news accurately without creative editing, misleading the public, or leaning towards a particular political direction.
3. If news programs are found to violate the various rules and required to be a news program, then the network would be subject to huge fines.
4. Multiple offenses by a news program would result in having it shut down for a pre-determined amount of time based upon the number of violations.
5. If a network has hit a particular violation total, then they would lose their "news license" for 6 months, etc
Somehow the hope would be for people to know whether they are watching news or just bullshit
ive long felt that newspapers and tv news and all of their writers/on-air talkers should be required to disclose political affiliations, donations, etc. just below the masthead or in the closing credits and/or as story preambles. By law, just like...you financial guys tell me what it is...where stock analysists have to disclose positions they have when giving advice and evaluations.
I know that several medical journals require paper authors to disclose financial positions or research support by pharma within their papers. That's essentially the same thing as media reporting directed by political ideology.
someone posted this, I thought it was interesting.
1. ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, Obama’s National Security Advisor.
2. CBS President David Rhodes is the brother of Ben Rhodes, Obama’s Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications.
3. NBC News Political Analyst, David Axelrod was Obama's Chief Campaign Advisor and Senior Advisor directly to Obama himself.
4. NBC CEO Stephen Burke is a Board Member of Warren Buffet’s Company Berkshire Hathaway. Buffet donated almost a BILLION dollars to Obama’s campaign.
5. ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman is married to former White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, who now works for CNN as a commentator.
6. ABC News and Univision reporter Matthew Jaffe is married to Katie Hogan, Obama’s Deputy Press Secretary.
7. ABC News chief political correspondent and anchor George Stephanopoulos was the White House Communications Director then Senior Advisor for Policy and Strategy for Bill Clinton, and was just caught secretly donating $75,000 to the Clinton foundation.
8. ABC President Ben Sherwood is the brother of Obama’s Special Adviser Elizabeth Sherwood.
9. CNN President Virginia Moseley is married to former Hillary Clinton’s Deputy Secretary Tom Nides.
10. NBC Chelsea Clinton was making $600,000.00 a year + benefits as a starting reporter.
11. Univision’s Emmy Award Winning Anchor Jorge Ramos’s daughter is working on Hillary Clinton’s Presidential campaign.
12. Yahoo is partnered with ABC News. The CEO of yahoo, Marissa Mayer is also an Obama campaign donor.
I'm sure the other side has some connections too.
You'd have to be a pure and myopic partisan to believe that this does not engineer how the public views current events and mold opinion in a propagandist fashion. When it happens from the other side as well.
Al, your favorite woman is on Funny or Die. It's very funny and well done. Check it out.