RE: Apparently Matz threw a bullpen today
arcarsenal : 9/17/2016 9:21 pm : link : reply
In comment 13126352 Rob in Rockaway said:
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does anyone know if he lived through it?
The setback is just around the corner. Book it.
If you haven't picked up on it by now, when a Mets player is injured, there's about a 95% chance they will NOT return when the team says they will and they'll have a setback that either shelves them for much longer or ends their season. It literally almost never, ever fails and it's sad how predictable it is.
Did anyone honestly think Matz was going to pitch tomorrow? I never even considered it as a possibility.
I'm sure some of these injuries are not preventable and shit happens but I feel very confident in saying that the medical staff here is an issue. This is happening FAR too often for me to believe anything else.
convinced that when organizations baby these million dollar arms from early on and throughout their careers there is something missing in the process of building up the arm strength and they end up more susceptible to injury.
I certainly understand them wanting to protect their investment in these types of pitchers but I think it is backfiring in the long run.
RE: What a surprise.. I bet no one saw this coming!
RE: Apparently Matz threw a bullpen today
arcarsenal : 9/17/2016 9:21 pm : link : reply
In comment 13126352 Rob in Rockaway said:
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does anyone know if he lived through it?
The setback is just around the corner. Book it.
If you haven't picked up on it by now, when a Mets player is injured, there's about a 95% chance they will NOT return when the team says they will and they'll have a setback that either shelves them for much longer or ends their season. It literally almost never, ever fails and it's sad how predictable it is.
Did anyone honestly think Matz was going to pitch tomorrow? I never even considered it as a possibility.
I'm sure some of these injuries are not preventable and shit happens but I feel very confident in saying that the medical staff here is an issue. This is happening FAR too often for me to believe anything else.
The entire rotation that was healthy pretty much all last year developed surgical conditions, except Bartolo of course. And on top of that Wheeler's return was completely shut down.
a couple of weeks ago when Matz and deGrom were still possibilities. Now that it looks like BOTH are shelved, I see little hope beyond the one game, which, would still be a great thing as a fan just sucks to think that in all likelihood we really can't win a postseason series.
Also, after last night I'm not convinced these last 10 games are going to go so well. Last night was as bad a regular season loss as any I can remember, up there with Glavine in 07.
for the playoffs if they make it doesn't look great, but I'm not even thinking (too much) about it anyway right now.
It's a 10 game race, 3 teams for 2 spots. Mets have 7 games vs the Phillies who they are still better than. I'd really love to see them pull this off and at least get to the WC game as I think it'll give the organization and the fanbase a much more positive outlook heading into the offseason.
The good thing is all the replacements have been pitching real well
had injuries early but guys actually DID come back. Everything came together last year in August and we were pretty close to full strength coming down the stretch.
It wasn't that long ago we thought a similar thing could happen this year. Almost nothing has gone right though. Everyone has had setbacks or had to be shut down for the year. It's not even just the rotation. Duda is in the starting lineup the day after he gets back and then we never see him again? What are the odds he felt something in his back and we just haven't heard about it? Walker was expected to be back to play through his back issue? Nope. Ect. Ect.
Trading for Matt Kemp has been an absolute steal for the Braves. I believe they were the worst offense in baseball prior to his arrival and since Kemp has been a Brave I believe they are the 2nd best offense over that period.
Trading for Matt Kemp has been an absolute steal for the Braves. I believe they were the worst offense in baseball prior to his arrival and since Kemp has been a Brave I believe they are the 2nd best offense over that period.
They are. I said it the other day. I think they have the second best offense since the all-star break or something like that. Inciarte coming back and Swanson have also obviously helped as well.
convinced that when organizations baby these million dollar arms from early on and throughout their careers there is something missing in the process of building up the arm strength and they end up more susceptible to injury.
I certainly understand them wanting to protect their investment in these types of pitchers but I think it is backfiring in the long run.
Maybe they just throw too hard. Pitching is about movement and location. These guys love to crank it up by torquing that mid-section.
RE: RE: RE: The red hot Braves are giving the Marlins the business
They are. I said it the other day. I think they have the second best offense since the all-star break or something like that. Inciarte coming back and Swanson have also obviously helped as well.
Absolutely plus Freeman has been having the best season of his career and finally has some protection. Inciarte has surprised me. I wanted the Braves to trade him after they acquired him because I thought his value was never going to be higher and I wasn't sold on him. I was clearly wrong and he has been on a tear since he got off the DL.
Mets miss the playoffs and Terry gets fired. Mets make the playoffs without Wright, Duda, Walker, Lagares, Harvey, deGrom, Matz, and Wheeler and Terry stays?
Mets miss the playoffs and Terry gets fired. Mets make the playoffs without Wright, Duda, Walker, Lagares, Harvey, deGrom, Matz, and Wheeler and Terry stays?
I think Collins is an extremely poor strategist and I would love to see him gone. But making the playoffs is more important.
RE: 2 outs in the ninth and a fuckin pitching change
September baseball also puts more emphasis on the manager and the moves he makes or doesn't make because there are so many available players.
First five months of the season, there were not many games you could point to where bad managing by Terry determined or strongly influenced the income. But the last 3 weeks have seen a bunch of games like that.
And kept us in contention until we got healthy and then to eh World Series.
He's lost almost his whole pitching staff, first baseman, third baseman, picks up a clunker in Bruce and still we're in contention.
The criticism is about Terry it's about the critics. Part timers who NEED to know more than the experts.
You can nit pick any mgrs decisions, but both Collins and Girardi have
done terrific jobs this year. The Mets have only 2 starting pitchers left from opening day, and 1 of them wasn't even supposed to be in the rotation by now (Colon was supposed to give way to Wheeler), lost their starting 1b and 3B for basically the whole season, their 2B for the final 2 months, lost Lagares for the year, Conforto had a terrible sophomore jinx, Cabrera and Cespedes were both on the DL, they traded for a stiff who can't play here and Collins still kept them focused and in contention.
and I left out that d'Arnaud has been a disaster at bat and behind the
people give the manager credit for W/Ls, as if the players wouldn't play hard for someone else, without bothering to analyze the individual moves that the manager makes.
Good shit spike! I had won in the past, but I thought registering now was just so they can have your email address to spam the shit out of your inbox with emails to buy season tickets.
people give the manager credit for W/Ls, as if the players wouldn't play hard for someone else, without bothering to analyze the individual moves that the manager makes.
Sports is still is a bottom line business and the bottom line is wins and losses. So while sure he does some head scratching moves during some games some of them end up working and he also clearly pushes some right buttons and has the team winning despite losing most of his staff and many of his best position players for some or most of the season. Silly to not give him credit for that regardless whether you like him or not.
him some credit for overall performance but there's posters here who just come here after games to call out posters who criticize managerial decisions. Part of a game thread is an ongoing conversation about the game and that's going to include real time takes on the manager's decisions. Why wouldn't it? Are people supposed to just not offer thoughts on managerial decisions during Mets' threads?
And still defends Terry - I truly don't know what to say...
+1
He's always been bad at managing the pen, but Wednesday night was ridiculous, even forhim. And it had a ripple effect - Familia was forced to throw a ton of pitches, then Terry thought it would be a good idea to try and get 2 innings out of him the very next day. Fortunately Cabrera bailed TC out.
And for the love of everything holy, TC - don't use Bruce in any key spots. Ever. Unless you want someone to K instead of hitting into a DP (even then, I'd send up a pitcher to hit instead of Bruce)...
Thor is the only one still standing, and even he has bone spurs...
SMH...
arcarsenal : 9/17/2016 9:21 pm : link : reply
In comment 13126352 Rob in Rockaway said:
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does anyone know if he lived through it?
The setback is just around the corner. Book it.
If you haven't picked up on it by now, when a Mets player is injured, there's about a 95% chance they will NOT return when the team says they will and they'll have a setback that either shelves them for much longer or ends their season. It literally almost never, ever fails and it's sad how predictable it is.
Did anyone honestly think Matz was going to pitch tomorrow? I never even considered it as a possibility.
I'm sure some of these injuries are not preventable and shit happens but I feel very confident in saying that the medical staff here is an issue. This is happening FAR too often for me to believe anything else.
I certainly understand them wanting to protect their investment in these types of pitchers but I think it is backfiring in the long run.
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RE: Apparently Matz threw a bullpen today
arcarsenal : 9/17/2016 9:21 pm : link : reply
In comment 13126352 Rob in Rockaway said:
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does anyone know if he lived through it?
The setback is just around the corner. Book it.
If you haven't picked up on it by now, when a Mets player is injured, there's about a 95% chance they will NOT return when the team says they will and they'll have a setback that either shelves them for much longer or ends their season. It literally almost never, ever fails and it's sad how predictable it is.
Did anyone honestly think Matz was going to pitch tomorrow? I never even considered it as a possibility.
I'm sure some of these injuries are not preventable and shit happens but I feel very confident in saying that the medical staff here is an issue. This is happening FAR too often for me to believe anything else.
Sadly, I think 95% is a bit low, arc.
Also, after last night I'm not convinced these last 10 games are going to go so well. Last night was as bad a regular season loss as any I can remember, up there with Glavine in 07.
It's a 10 game race, 3 teams for 2 spots. Mets have 7 games vs the Phillies who they are still better than. I'd really love to see them pull this off and at least get to the WC game as I think it'll give the organization and the fanbase a much more positive outlook heading into the offseason.
just 10 to go.
It wasn't that long ago we thought a similar thing could happen this year. Almost nothing has gone right though. Everyone has had setbacks or had to be shut down for the year. It's not even just the rotation. Duda is in the starting lineup the day after he gets back and then we never see him again? What are the odds he felt something in his back and we just haven't heard about it? Walker was expected to be back to play through his back issue? Nope. Ect. Ect.
Trading for Matt Kemp has been an absolute steal for the Braves. I believe they were the worst offense in baseball prior to his arrival and since Kemp has been a Brave I believe they are the 2nd best offense over that period.
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Trading for Matt Kemp has been an absolute steal for the Braves. I believe they were the worst offense in baseball prior to his arrival and since Kemp has been a Brave I believe they are the 2nd best offense over that period.
They are. I said it the other day. I think they have the second best offense since the all-star break or something like that. Inciarte coming back and Swanson have also obviously helped as well.
I certainly understand them wanting to protect their investment in these types of pitchers but I think it is backfiring in the long run.
Maybe they just throw too hard. Pitching is about movement and location. These guys love to crank it up by torquing that mid-section.
They are. I said it the other day. I think they have the second best offense since the all-star break or something like that. Inciarte coming back and Swanson have also obviously helped as well.
Absolutely plus Freeman has been having the best season of his career and finally has some protection. Inciarte has surprised me. I wanted the Braves to trade him after they acquired him because I thought his value was never going to be higher and I wasn't sold on him. I was clearly wrong and he has been on a tear since he got off the DL.
Fuckin Awful Teuful is trying to kill Cabrera. They should put Reynolds in there instead
He shouldve gone with Blevins
After the last two terrible losses to the Braves, I had a feeling Mets were going into a tailspin.
These last 4 games are the textbook definition of choking.
The Bruce experiment is over.0
I think once they took the top WC spot and had they easy part of their schedual they took it for granted they would win and it has cost them.
I think Collins is an extremely poor strategist and I would love to see him gone. But making the playoffs is more important.
September baseball also puts more emphasis on the manager and the moves he makes or doesn't make because there are so many available players.
First five months of the season, there were not many games you could point to where bad managing by Terry determined or strongly influenced the income. But the last 3 weeks have seen a bunch of games like that.
Might have saved the season . . .
. . . or given Terry another opportunity to fuck up (let's hope the former)
Let's hope Jeurys has it tonight
Lol...
Another killer blooper
That's because he has no fucking idea how to manage a pen
Henderson and Montero were available
Absolutely tonight. Duda's almost HR and the bloop RBI single for them
Well, guess I spoke too soon!
All the Mets have the dye their hair blonde now
Bat flip of the year imo
If we're not facing a lefty, I'd start Nimmo tomorrow.
More NiMmo More Comforto!
Grandy going back to cleanup. Need Flores and Duda to return to line up
He's lost almost his whole pitching staff, first baseman, third baseman, picks up a clunker in Bruce and still we're in contention.
The criticism is about Terry it's about the critics. Part timers who NEED to know more than the experts.
I hope you get to use them.
Good shit spike! I had won in the past, but I thought registering now was just so they can have your email address to spam the shit out of your inbox with emails to buy season tickets.
Sports is still is a bottom line business and the bottom line is wins and losses. So while sure he does some head scratching moves during some games some of them end up working and he also clearly pushes some right buttons and has the team winning despite losing most of his staff and many of his best position players for some or most of the season. Silly to not give him credit for that regardless whether you like him or not.
+1
He's always been bad at managing the pen, but Wednesday night was ridiculous, even forhim. And it had a ripple effect - Familia was forced to throw a ton of pitches, then Terry thought it would be a good idea to try and get 2 innings out of him the very next day. Fortunately Cabrera bailed TC out.
And for the love of everything holy, TC - don't use Bruce in any key spots. Ever. Unless you want someone to K instead of hitting into a DP (even then, I'd send up a pitcher to hit instead of Bruce)...
Verrett, Gilmartin, Henderson, Montero, Salas, Smoker, Robles, Edgin
No Familia and no Reed today.. Blevins?
Also, Cards down 4-0 early in 2nd against the Cubs. Leake vs Arrieta