that most couldn't do, or wouldn't do. Be many of those sit in front of the TV and believe they should tell police how to do their job, regardless of how much risk they put that officers life in jeopardy.
Some people do, and others just like to talk.
Many believe it is an officers job to take a bullet, that he/she shouldn't fire until being fired upon.
Those people want officers dead!
Seems this DA feels the same way.
No problem, there will be many officers quitting because every time there is a shooting the experts sitting at home need to be heard. Most don't have a clue what it takes to do the job. You guys watch too much TV.
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If he made a sudden move, she was justified in the shooting.
there isn't any reason to wait, like, two-three seconds to see if this one did work?
If a police officer uses deadly force without decent provocation, simply because he/she was scared, yeah that's manslaughter.
What we don't want is for cops to perceive that there is practically no risk if they decide to kill someone without sufficient provocation.
Former Dallas Police Chief Brown spoke about the reason why the amount of killings by his officers had quite literally collapsed since he first took over: his officers were fully trained in threat mitigation, and they got refresher courses to maintain their mindsets in this direction. Cops should be better trained, but in the meantime any cop who doesn't even wait to assess the risk, and then doesn't make any attempt at threat mitigation before shooting to kill, where there isn't an imminent deadly threat, deserves a prison sentence.
she should have tased and not drawn her gun before he got to his vehicle ...
Shelby's attorney, Scott Wood, has said that Shelby completed drug-recognition expert training and thought Crutcher was acting like he might be under the influence of PCP.
There was blood stains on the side of the car. Windows were definitely up.
Not according to the police officer who was there.
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When Shelby approached the car, the doors were closed, and the windows were open, Wood said. She looked into the passenger's side to make sure no one was on the floor of the car, and as she was getting ready to move to the driver's side, she turned around and saw Crutcher walking toward her, Wood said.
that police would corroborate information that could get one of their own off the hook. How often does the court actually side with the person killed in a "he said, she said" situation?
It is easy for people to watch a video six or seven times and make up an opinion, especially when the media has laid the golden path out for you.
Do it in the heat of the moment where there is a split half a second to decide!
Most of you don't have the balls to do their job but it is so easy to critique someone else's job that you know nothing about while sitting on the couch.
Most of you prove that every day in your opinions on football.
Don't want to get shot by the police do as they say.
I think the charges HAD TO be brought against the officer...
can you imagine if there were no charges or if they were very minor? You would see riots like never before. If there is enough evidence to convict her, then she should suffer the consequences. If there is evidence that exonerates her, then the public will not like it but at least they would have felt as if they had their day in court.
that police would corroborate information that could get one of their own off the hook. How often does the court actually side with the person killed in a "he said, she said" situation?
Well I'm not going to accuse someone of lying when a) I wasn't there and b) no one has a different story
and there might even be dash cam video or video from the helicopter that can prove it one way or the other.
I'm don't accuse people of lying without some more proof other than it would be convenient for them to lie to support their story.
that police would corroborate information that could get one of their own off the hook. How often does the court actually side with the person killed in a "he said, she said" situation?
Well I'm not going to accuse someone of lying when a) I wasn't there and b) no one has a different story
and there might even be dash cam video or video from the helicopter that can prove it one way or the other.
I'm don't accuse people of lying without some more proof other than it would be convenient for them to lie to support their story.
But you sure can try and see if it works before firing a firearm.....
to exit the car and take off my clothes I wouldn't.
If the same Police Officer ask me to get on the ground I am getting on the ground. don't care if I am on my way to church or a formal affair, I am getting on the ground.
Now after that if I believe it was not justifiable I am getting an Attorney and suing their ass off.
But I am living though the incident.
to exit the car and take off my clothes I wouldn't.
If the same Police Officer ask me to get on the ground I am getting on the ground. don't care if I am on my way to church or a formal affair, I am getting on the ground.
Now after that if I believe it was not justifiable I am getting an Attorney and suing their ass off.
But I am living though the incident.
At the time they don't know he doesn't have a gun.
He made a sudden movement.
They fire a taser to see if it works....he fires a gun back.
Dead officer!
Their was no indication he did have a gun or any weapon. This wasn't a stop and he was suspected of nothing. He was walking away with his hands raised. She thought he was high and was oblivious to her orders. Tase him. What was she waiting for? Don't wait until he gets to his vehicle and pop him.
This wasn't a case of an evil white cop shooting a poor black man for no reason.
This was a man who had no small part in orchestrating his own death through his own poor choices.
Of course everything is premature, but IF he was on PCP, disregarding lawful orders, and reaching into a vehicle it definitely portrays himself to police as a potential deadly threat reaching for a weapon.
Ultimately he didn't pose an Immediate deadly threat and that is why there are charges, but it seems to come down to discipline in the face of anxiety.
Bullshit.
He had his hands up over his head and was walking away from them. He posed not imminent threat
Based on whose post this is, are you surprised by the spinning of the situation to deflect blame from the cop?
RE: Pretty sure BBI has a good contingent of former military...
Why do so many unarmed people not obey orders when in this situation? Unfathomable so many still do it time and time again.
It's a pretty terrifying experience to have a weapon pointed at you by someone you know is willing to kill you. If a police officer with years of training and experience on the job can make terrible decisions in tense situation, is it really surprising that some random guy off the street would as well?
Be held accountable? As others have already stated, if she is convicted, she can serve minimal time. However, this idea that if you make a bad judgement call and someone dies, you shouldn't be held accountable because you're a cop and your job is hard is utter bullshit. We give police officers great authority (even to the point of allowing them to take a life if necey), and in the same regards, they should be held to the highest of standards.
a discussion about why the police are on such edge when it comes to dealing with the African American community. Accepting the
narrative that this was simply a bias shooting, what would cause a Black police officer in Charlotte to shoot a Black citizen for no reason? Could it have something to do with the fact that while African Americans make up
only 13% of the population, they are responsible for 52% of gun deaths? That Black on Black gun deaths top 6,000 per year in this country? Is it any wonder that cops, Black or White, are fearful? Scott has shot a man in the past and served time for it as well as for assault with a deadly weapon. Of course this doesn't justify bad shootings by the police. But at some point, there needs to be some self examination in the Black community to assess why there is so much confrontational contact between the community and law enforcement.
a discussion about why the police are on such edge when it comes to dealing with the African American community. Accepting the
narrative that this was simply a bias shooting, what would cause a Black police officer in Charlotte to shoot a Black citizen for no reason? Could it have something to do with the fact that while African Americans make up
only 13% of the population, they are responsible for 52% of gun deaths? That Black on Black gun deaths top 6,000 per year in this country? Is it any wonder that cops, Black or White, are fearful? Scott has shot a man in the past and served time for it as well as for assault with a deadly weapon. Of course this doesn't justify bad shootings by the police. But at some point, there needs to be some self examination in the Black community to assess why there is so much confrontational contact between the community and law enforcement.
"The police encounter people every day who fail to comply with instruction, whether it's a DUI or a public intoxication or any situation," attorney Melvin Hall said. "The law does not authorize the use of lethal force merely because someone fails to comply."
At the time they don't know he doesn't have a gun.
He made a sudden movement.
They fire a taser to see if it works....he fires a gun back.
Dead officer!
What sudden movement? - it looks like slow motion video. Jim it looks real bad when one policeman is using his Taser and she shoots her 9mm.
Have to disagree with you until I see a better video that shows a sudden movement.
"The police encounter people every day who fail to comply with instruction, whether it's a DUI or a public intoxication or any situation," attorney Melvin Hall said. "The law does not authorize the use of lethal force merely because someone fails to comply."
Of course not. I don't think anyone believes that.
Be held accountable? As others have already stated, if she is convicted, she can serve minimal time. However, this idea that if you make a bad judgement call and someone dies, you shouldn't be held accountable because you're a cop and your job is hard is utter bullshit. We give police officers great authority (even to the point of allowing them to take a life if necey), and in the same regards, they should be held to the highest of standards.
You don't think the collateral damage of this woman carrying around that she ended someones life the rest of her life and the fact her Career is over is not punishment. She made a judgement and killed someone because of it. I'm sure the Android Police force without emotions could handle that but this was a inexperienced officer who do to the training did the wrong thing.
Let talk about the victim too If he was on illegal drugs and was influenced then he put himself in danger when he got behind the wheel and left the safety of his house.
So yes he did put himself in Danger and was not just a stranded motorist. Ever see someone on PCP get Tazed I have in the ER and seen it not effect them at all.
There is your accountability.
RE: Whether a mistake or a bad judgement, why shouldn't a police officer
Be held accountable? As others have already stated, if she is convicted, she can serve minimal time. However, this idea that if you make a bad judgement call and someone dies, you shouldn't be held accountable because you're a cop and your job is hard is utter bullshit. We give police officers great authority (even to the point of allowing them to take a life if necey), and in the same regards, they should be held to the highest of standards.
This I agree with. My concealed weapons instructor was the weapons instructor for the local PD (himself a cop). He said quite clearly, the police have the same requirements that civilians do in the use of deadly force. Obviously, with police, any encounter can turn deadly and they meet "bad" people many times per week.
RE: Whether a mistake or a bad judgement, why shouldn't a police officer
Be held accountable? As others have already stated, if she is convicted, she can serve minimal time. However, this idea that if you make a bad judgement call and someone dies, you shouldn't be held accountable because you're a cop and your job is hard is utter bullshit. We give police officers great authority (even to the point of allowing them to take a life if necey), and in the same regards, they should be held to the highest of standards.
You don't think the collateral damage of this woman carrying around that she ended someones life the rest of her life and the fact her Career is over is not punishment. She made a judgement and killed someone because of it. I'm sure the Android Police force without emotions could handle that but this was a inexperienced officer who do to the training did the wrong thing.
Let talk about the victim too If he was on illegal drugs and was influenced then he put himself in danger when he got behind the wheel and left the safety of his house.
So yes he did put himself in Danger and was not just a stranded motorist. Ever see someone on PCP get Tazed I have in the ER and seen it not effective
accountability?
RE: Whether a mistake or a bad judgement, why shouldn't a police officer
Be held accountable? As others have already stated, if she is convicted, she can serve minimal time. However, this idea that if you make a bad judgement call and someone dies, you shouldn't be held accountable because you're a cop and your job is hard is utter bullshit. We give police officers great authority (even to the point of allowing them to take a life if necey), and in the same regards, they should be held to the highest of standards.
This I agree with. My concealed weapons instructor was the weapons instructor for the local PD (himself a cop). He said quite clearly, the police have the same requirements that civilians do in the use of deadly force. Obviously, with police, any encounter can turn deadly and they meet "bad" people many times per week.
Will see what comes out at trial and what if anything results in a conviction. It won't be easy, people tend to give officers the benefit of the doubt (not people who riot but other people). Either way it seems like a tragedy.
Follow what they say.
Live for another day.
THIS
How many people have been killed for obeying an Officer?
If you think its wrong get a lawyer and fight it in court.
Even if you believe you have no choice other than firing your weapon, how do you not immediately try and aid them afterwards?
If true I can't get my head around a number of police officers basically letting someone lay there and die within feet of themselves.
That's standard for them to let them bleed out and console the officer who killed them.
Some people do, and others just like to talk.
Many believe it is an officers job to take a bullet, that he/she shouldn't fire until being fired upon.
Those people want officers dead!
Seems this DA feels the same way.
No problem, there will be many officers quitting because every time there is a shooting the experts sitting at home need to be heard. Most don't have a clue what it takes to do the job. You guys watch too much TV.
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If he made a sudden move, she was justified in the shooting.
If a police officer uses deadly force without decent provocation, simply because he/she was scared, yeah that's manslaughter.
What we don't want is for cops to perceive that there is practically no risk if they decide to kill someone without sufficient provocation.
Former Dallas Police Chief Brown spoke about the reason why the amount of killings by his officers had quite literally collapsed since he first took over: his officers were fully trained in threat mitigation, and they got refresher courses to maintain their mindsets in this direction. Cops should be better trained, but in the meantime any cop who doesn't even wait to assess the risk, and then doesn't make any attempt at threat mitigation before shooting to kill, where there isn't an imminent deadly threat, deserves a prison sentence.
Shelby's attorney, Scott Wood, has said that Shelby completed drug-recognition expert training and thought Crutcher was acting like he might be under the influence of PCP.
She was waiting for backup, that is why she didn't taser him before he got back to his car.
No easy answers.
There was blood stains on the side of the car. Windows were definitely up.
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That makes a large difference in the situation.
There was blood stains on the side of the car. Windows were definitely up.
Not according to the police officer who was there.
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does not always stop someone like the public thinks it does. .
Nope, it doesn't.
But you sure can try and see if it works before firing a firearm.....
Do it in the heat of the moment where there is a split half a second to decide!
Most of you don't have the balls to do their job but it is so easy to critique someone else's job that you know nothing about while sitting on the couch.
Most of you prove that every day in your opinions on football.
Don't want to get shot by the police do as they say.
Well I'm not going to accuse someone of lying when a) I wasn't there and b) no one has a different story
and there might even be dash cam video or video from the helicopter that can prove it one way or the other.
I'm don't accuse people of lying without some more proof other than it would be convenient for them to lie to support their story.
Well I'm not going to accuse someone of lying when a) I wasn't there and b) no one has a different story
and there might even be dash cam video or video from the helicopter that can prove it one way or the other.
I'm don't accuse people of lying without some more proof other than it would be convenient for them to lie to support their story.
He made a sudden movement.
They fire a taser to see if it works....he fires a gun back.
Dead officer!
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does not always stop someone like the public thinks it does. .
Nope, it doesn't.
But you sure can try and see if it works before firing a firearm.....
I have read complaints of people believing policemen tazing people without cause. And if they wait until their is a threat tazing may be too late.
I think many time police taze when they are convinced that there is no deadly threat but yet can't control the suspect or situation.
It isn't always substitute for reacting to believed possibly deadly force.
But keep judging something you know nothing about.
They didn't know he didn't have a gun. You don't assume he doesn't, that would be crazy.
He made a sudden move by dropping his hands.
They don't have time in that situation to try a taser.
Do what the hell you are being told to you when a cop has a gun pointed at you.
Do what the hell you are being told to you when a cop has a gun pointed at you.
If the same Police Officer ask me to get on the ground I am getting on the ground. don't care if I am on my way to church or a formal affair, I am getting on the ground.
Now after that if I believe it was not justifiable I am getting an Attorney and suing their ass off.
But I am living though the incident.
If the same Police Officer ask me to get on the ground I am getting on the ground. don't care if I am on my way to church or a formal affair, I am getting on the ground.
Now after that if I believe it was not justifiable I am getting an Attorney and suing their ass off.
But I am living though the incident.
He made a sudden movement.
They fire a taser to see if it works....he fires a gun back.
Dead officer!
Their was no indication he did have a gun or any weapon. This wasn't a stop and he was suspected of nothing. He was walking away with his hands raised. She thought he was high and was oblivious to her orders. Tase him. What was she waiting for? Don't wait until he gets to his vehicle and pop him.
She was waiting for backup, that is why she didn't taser him before he got back to his car.
Against the police? Who the fuck are you to suggest that? I'm as pro law enforcement as they come. You're just making shit up. This was a bad shoot.
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This wasn't a case of an evil white cop shooting a poor black man for no reason.
This was a man who had no small part in orchestrating his own death through his own poor choices.
Of course everything is premature, but IF he was on PCP, disregarding lawful orders, and reaching into a vehicle it definitely portrays himself to police as a potential deadly threat reaching for a weapon.
Ultimately he didn't pose an Immediate deadly threat and that is why there are charges, but it seems to come down to discipline in the face of anxiety.
Bullshit.
He had his hands up over his head and was walking away from them. He posed not imminent threat
Based on whose post this is, are you surprised by the spinning of the situation to deflect blame from the cop?
I wore a Messier jersey at the Boston Garden. I wouldn't do it again, does that count?
Whose poor family?
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Bad judgement, bad decision obviously but not criminal. Poor family.
Whose poor family?
Lemme guess. PA Giants Fan = Penn State fan
narrative that this was simply a bias shooting, what would cause a Black police officer in Charlotte to shoot a Black citizen for no reason? Could it have something to do with the fact that while African Americans make up
only 13% of the population, they are responsible for 52% of gun deaths? That Black on Black gun deaths top 6,000 per year in this country? Is it any wonder that cops, Black or White, are fearful? Scott has shot a man in the past and served time for it as well as for assault with a deadly weapon. Of course this doesn't justify bad shootings by the police. But at some point, there needs to be some self examination in the Black community to assess why there is so much confrontational contact between the community and law enforcement.
narrative that this was simply a bias shooting, what would cause a Black police officer in Charlotte to shoot a Black citizen for no reason? Could it have something to do with the fact that while African Americans make up
only 13% of the population, they are responsible for 52% of gun deaths? That Black on Black gun deaths top 6,000 per year in this country? Is it any wonder that cops, Black or White, are fearful? Scott has shot a man in the past and served time for it as well as for assault with a deadly weapon. Of course this doesn't justify bad shootings by the police. But at some point, there needs to be some self examination in the Black community to assess why there is so much confrontational contact between the community and law enforcement.
So, flame away now.
Probably. Just a weird context the way the post was stated.
He made a sudden movement.
They fire a taser to see if it works....he fires a gun back.
Dead officer!
What sudden movement? - it looks like slow motion video. Jim it looks real bad when one policeman is using his Taser and she shoots her 9mm.
Have to disagree with you until I see a better video that shows a sudden movement.
Of course not. I don't think anyone believes that.
You don't think the collateral damage of this woman carrying around that she ended someones life the rest of her life and the fact her Career is over is not punishment. She made a judgement and killed someone because of it. I'm sure the Android Police force without emotions could handle that but this was a inexperienced officer who do to the training did the wrong thing.
Let talk about the victim too If he was on illegal drugs and was influenced then he put himself in danger when he got behind the wheel and left the safety of his house.
So yes he did put himself in Danger and was not just a stranded motorist. Ever see someone on PCP get Tazed I have in the ER and seen it not effect them at all.
There is your accountability.
This I agree with. My concealed weapons instructor was the weapons instructor for the local PD (himself a cop). He said quite clearly, the police have the same requirements that civilians do in the use of deadly force. Obviously, with police, any encounter can turn deadly and they meet "bad" people many times per week.
You don't think the collateral damage of this woman carrying around that she ended someones life the rest of her life and the fact her Career is over is not punishment. She made a judgement and killed someone because of it. I'm sure the Android Police force without emotions could handle that but this was a inexperienced officer who do to the training did the wrong thing.
Let talk about the victim too If he was on illegal drugs and was influenced then he put himself in danger when he got behind the wheel and left the safety of his house.
So yes he did put himself in Danger and was not just a stranded motorist. Ever see someone on PCP get Tazed I have in the ER and seen it not effective
accountability?
This I agree with. My concealed weapons instructor was the weapons instructor for the local PD (himself a cop). He said quite clearly, the police have the same requirements that civilians do in the use of deadly force. Obviously, with police, any encounter can turn deadly and they meet "bad" people many times per week.