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NFT: USA Hockey

B in ALB : 9/22/2016 10:49 pm
Pretty awesome showing in the World Cup of Hockey. Lost all three games including tonight vs the Czech Republic powerhouse. Looked listless, unorganized, slow and boring.

But Ryan McDonagh was the leading scorer. So that's pretty cool.

Wait. That's not necessarily good, right?

Pathetic showing by the Americans.
Torts and Lombardi gonna take a deserved beating  
Davisian : 9/22/2016 10:55 pm : link
But let's look on the bright side.


You know, the bright side...

The whole format was stupid  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2016 11:03 pm : link
the US is not Canada, so why treat the US like they're better than Russia, Sweden, Finland, and the Czech's and strip off all the under 24 players?

Gaudreau, Matthews, Gostisbehere, and Eichel would have been the top 4 scorers on the US team or close to it.

and the US coaching and GM choices were terrible.
At least...  
Chris in Philly : 9/22/2016 11:06 pm : link
they stood for the anthem, amirite?
_____________  
I am Ninja : 9/22/2016 11:07 pm : link
Tortorella is a dick turd.
RE: The whole format was stupid  
Chris in Philly : 9/22/2016 11:09 pm : link
In comment 13136920 pjcas18 said:
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the US is not Canada, so why treat the US like they're better than Russia, Sweden, Finland, and the Czech's and strip off all the under 24 players?

Gaudreau, Matthews, Gostisbehere, and Eichel would have been the top 4 scorers on the US team or close to it.

and the US coaching and GM choices were terrible.


It didn't seem like they were terribly interested in scoring. It was like Bobby Clarke put the team together...
RE: The whole format was stupid  
B in ALB : 9/22/2016 11:14 pm : link
In comment 13136920 pjcas18 said:
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the US is not Canada, so why treat the US like they're better than Russia, Sweden, Finland, and the Czech's and strip off all the under 24 players?

Gaudreau, Matthews, Gostisbehere, and Eichel would have been the top 4 scorers on the US team or close to it.

and the US coaching and GM choices were terrible.


Ok. Well those guys didn't make it either.

Are you saying the U.S. Would have moved on if the under 24 guys were there? With or without Torts?
RE: RE: The whole format was stupid  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2016 11:22 pm : link
In comment 13136943 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13136920 pjcas18 said:


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the US is not Canada, so why treat the US like they're better than Russia, Sweden, Finland, and the Czech's and strip off all the under 24 players?

Gaudreau, Matthews, Gostisbehere, and Eichel would have been the top 4 scorers on the US team or close to it.

and the US coaching and GM choices were terrible.



Ok. Well those guys didn't make it either.

Are you saying the U.S. Would have moved on if the under 24 guys were there? With or without Torts?


I'm saying if the US had all the American players like they should have, they had a better chance of advancing, and without Torts and in his place a coach like Lavy or Ron Wilson they might have even won the whole thing.

I do not think the US is a hockey powerhouse like Canada. considering them equals and stripping out the under 24 players from both seems unreasonable. I think the US is more like Russia, Sweden, Finland, and Czech Republic.
RE: RE: RE: The whole format was stupid  
B in ALB : 9/22/2016 11:28 pm : link
In comment 13136961 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13136943 B in ALB said:


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In comment 13136920 pjcas18 said:


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the US is not Canada, so why treat the US like they're better than Russia, Sweden, Finland, and the Czech's and strip off all the under 24 players?

Gaudreau, Matthews, Gostisbehere, and Eichel would have been the top 4 scorers on the US team or close to it.

and the US coaching and GM choices were terrible.



Ok. Well those guys didn't make it either.

Are you saying the U.S. Would have moved on if the under 24 guys were there? With or without Torts?



I'm saying if the US had all the American players like they should have, they had a better chance of advancing, and without Torts and in his place a coach like Lavy or Ron Wilson they might have even won the whole thing.

I do not think the US is a hockey powerhouse like Canada. considering them equals and stripping out the under 24 players from both seems unreasonable. I think the US is more like Russia, Sweden, Finland, and Czech Republic.


Yup. No problem with that pj. Sounds right to me.

Just a shame how this thing turned out. About as terrible as it could be.
Even if those players...  
Chris in Philly : 9/22/2016 11:40 pm : link
were available, there is no guarantee they would have been selected...
RE: Even if those players...  
pjcas18 : 9/22/2016 11:42 pm : link
In comment 13136997 Chris in Philly said:
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were available, there is no guarantee they would have been selected...


true, Kessel wasn't and this is the type of setting perfect for him. International competitions and the playoffs, perfect for Kessel.
RE: RE: Even if those players...  
Chris in Philly : 9/22/2016 11:45 pm : link
In comment 13137001 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13136997 Chris in Philly said:


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were available, there is no guarantee they would have been selected...



true, Kessel wasn't and this is the type of setting perfect for him. International competitions and the playoffs, perfect for Kessel.


Right. They went all mucker/grinder types that Davisian drools over. Old time hockey!
Torts and Lombardi  
Kyle in NY : 9/22/2016 11:45 pm : link
Screwed this up from the start with the roster they picked and not having access to the U-23 hurt them far more than Canada.

If the pros are in the Olympics in two years I expect a pretty strong showing.
Sweden has it pretty well thought out.  
Davisian : 9/22/2016 11:46 pm : link
They can hang with Canada in any game in any tournament.

This wasn't only a failure of the roster building and the coaching and the players, it was a red flag to the state of USA Hockey and the failure to teach a cohesive style of team play that can win short tournaments.

USA hockey has no identity of playing style right now.

besides maybe "really want to beat Canada."
RE: RE: RE: Even if those players...  
Davisian : 9/22/2016 11:48 pm : link
In comment 13137003 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 13136997 Chris in Philly said:


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were available, there is no guarantee they would have been selected...



true, Kessel wasn't and this is the type of setting perfect for him. International competitions and the playoffs, perfect for Kessel.



Right. They went all mucker/grinder types that Davisian drools over. Old time hockey!



I definitely would have left fat ass at home, but I'm not just about muckers and grinders, I'm about the talented players that know when mucking and grinding is called for.


The worse ommisions with this roster were on the blueline, not a couple of forwards.


No chance Torts takes Matthews  
Kyle in NY : 9/22/2016 11:48 pm : link
And obviously that would have been a mistake. Kid looks like an absolute stud. Tortorella is living off that one conference final run with the Rangers. In reality he hasn't been a good coach since the 04-05 lockout. His style is a complete mismatch with today's game
Tried to get interested but haven't been able to watch more than  
baadbill : 9/23/2016 3:00 pm : link
60 seconds at a time ... get the fucking thing over with and bring on the Rangers!
BlueSeatBlogs  
NYerInMA : 9/23/2016 3:28 pm : link
took a stab at improving the roster for 2018-2020. Sending Torts and Lombardi packing would probably be a good first step.
PUTTING TOGETHER THE NEXT GREAT USA HOCKEY ROSTER - ( New Window )
Mike Sullivan should be  
Rover : 9/23/2016 6:47 pm : link
the coach
I'd prefer a fulltime USA hockey administration  
Davisian : 9/23/2016 7:26 pm : link
From GM to coach on down.

The players will change, but the system and the style of play should be consistent so players will step onto the team knowing what's expected.


Of course this tournament is only every few years, but between world Jr's, world championships, the Olympics and the world cup, there should be a consistent message for USA hockey.

I agree Dav  
pganut : 9/23/2016 8:16 pm : link
If we look at the men's national team results (WC, IIHF World Championships and Olympics), the most recent gold/first place finish was the 96 WC. They have 3 bronzes in the WC since 2004, and the top showing in the Olympics were silver in 02 and 10. That's it.

Looking at the U20 Juniors, there was a great run in the mid 2000s at the WJC with gold in 04, 10 and 13 with 3 bronzes in the same span of years. It looked like the US was becoming a growing power, and the 13 team had players like Gaudreau, Trouba, Seth Jones, Ghost and Gibson among others. Yet that success has petered out with their best result being a bronze this year since the 2013 gold. These are the guys that should be on the current National Team instead of plodders like Kesler, Niskanen, etc. But...Lombard-Torts'd.

Something ain't right here. A common core coaching style would indeed be a way for the National program to get back to good instead of playing hunches and guys who "Old Time Hockey".
RE: I'd prefer a fulltime USA hockey administration  
pjcas18 : 9/23/2016 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13138133 Davisian said:
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From GM to coach on down.

The players will change, but the system and the style of play should be consistent so players will step onto the team knowing what's expected.


Of course this tournament is only every few years, but between world Jr's, world championships, the Olympics and the world cup, there should be a consistent message for USA hockey.


Even with your gummy bear high you still have a lucid thought every now and then. Or maybe it's the pot gummy bears that help.
The whole "Old time hockey" thing is what they should focus on  
Davisian : 9/23/2016 8:26 pm : link
It doesn't mean they should avoid skill. They should completely embrace skill over "grit", but to me "old time hockey" means the skill guys aren't above the dirty work.


RE: RE: I'd prefer a fulltime USA hockey administration  
Davisian : 9/23/2016 8:28 pm : link
In comment 13138174 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13138133 Davisian said:


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From GM to coach on down.

The players will change, but the system and the style of play should be consistent so players will step onto the team knowing what's expected.


Of course this tournament is only every few years, but between world Jr's, world championships, the Olympics and the world cup, there should be a consistent message for USA hockey.




Even with your gummy bear high you still have a lucid thought every now and then. Or maybe it's the pot gummy bears that help.



I refuse to keep edibles in my house, they all look like things my kids would eat and not tell me. Until it was too late..


I smoke my pot the old fashioned way. Sneaking out back for a bowl when they're going to bed...





Haha.  
B in ALB : 9/23/2016 8:32 pm : link
I sneak into the garage for some goodness. Usually around 6p after work. Makes dinner taste better.
"Checking the shed" before the Giants game  
Davisian : 9/23/2016 8:41 pm : link
Is one of my personal favs.
Ha  
pganut : 9/23/2016 8:57 pm : link
Mine is in the garden box on the deck. I go out to either "water the plants" or "take a few puffs on my cigar" once the kids are (supposed to) be in bed.
Heh heh. Yeah.  
B in ALB : 9/23/2016 8:58 pm : link
"Where's the fuckin Philips head? Goddammit!" Puffity, puff.
Dav, forgot to mention  
pganut : 9/23/2016 9:01 pm : link
1. By Old Time Hockey, I meant the more neannderthal version of that statement, guysbthat just wanted to hit with less emphasis on skill, so you're right the way you categorized it.

2. I was in Lone Tree Monday & Tuesday. Seems like a nice, growing area.
Out of curiosity  
bigbluehoya : 9/23/2016 9:03 pm : link
When you guys do this, your wives know what you're doing? Or joke's on them?
RE: Dav, forgot to mention  
B in ALB : 9/23/2016 9:03 pm : link
In comment 13138193 pganut said:
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1. By Old Time Hockey, I meant the more neannderthal version of that statement, guysbthat just wanted to hit with less emphasis on skill, so you're right the way you categorized it.

2. I was in Lone Tree Monday & Tuesday. Seems like a nice, growing area.


Cook creek stroll and bowl.
RE: Out of curiosity  
B in ALB : 9/23/2016 9:05 pm : link
In comment 13138196 bigbluehoya said:
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When you guys do this, your wives know what you're doing? Or joke's on them?


They know. They know everything. My wife smokes with me sometimes but she knows I need some space too. Hence our 15 year anniversary next year.
My wife is a 100% straight arrow, anti-weed girl friggin' scout  
pganut : 9/23/2016 9:07 pm : link
So given I am the sole provider of a very nice lifestyle for her and the kids, and it is my stress reliever of choice, there's a begrudging acceptance from her. She has very little choice in the matter, but I definitely get shade thrown at me.
RE: Out of curiosity  
Davisian : 9/23/2016 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13138196 bigbluehoya said:
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When you guys do this, your wives know what you're doing? Or joke's on them?


It's nothing new, so it's nothing I hide.

I do try to pretend I'm being stealthy, but nope.

She just rolls her eyes and looks for something around the house that suddenly needs doing..



I get a little hassle once in a blue moon  
B in ALB : 9/23/2016 9:13 pm : link
Most likely because I have a lot of freedom when it comes to my job. But it's better than being a raging, violent, nasty alcoholic like some people I know. That reminds me. Time for a beer and a toot.
Bout time  
Davisian : 9/23/2016 9:14 pm : link
bitch tits
A capital idea  
pganut : 9/23/2016 9:18 pm : link
A bowl being ignited in solidarity with my BBI bretheren. #SourDiesel
I guess random testing isn't an issue for you guys  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/23/2016 9:19 pm : link
I worry about my fishing outings with the guys, expecting the email from HR Monday morning.
RE: Bout time  
B in ALB : 9/23/2016 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13138213 Davisian said:
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bitch tits


Nips are still pointed up, ya fuckin guzzler. Cuttin blood diamonds.
I hated the format from the word go  
Torrag : 9/23/2016 10:05 pm : link
That said the Team USA management need an enema. Torts has likely and rightfully coached his last game for us.
Did any of you catch OT  
feelflows : 9/23/2016 10:13 pm : link
In NA/SWE ?

Sweet Jesus. Google it or something. Insane.
RE: Did any of you catch OT  
B in ALB : 9/23/2016 10:58 pm : link
In comment 13138266 feelflows said:
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In NA/SWE ?

Sweet Jesus. Google it or something. Insane.


Uh. Yeah. Watched it live.
here  
JayBinQueens : 9/23/2016 11:05 pm : link
ya go


OT - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Did any of you catch OT  
feelflows : 9/23/2016 11:05 pm : link
In comment 13138291 B in ALB said:
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In comment 13138266 feelflows said:


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In NA/SWE ?

Sweet Jesus. Google it or something. Insane.



Uh. Yeah. Watched it live.


Caught up on some games tonight. The young guns are exciting.
USA sucked moose cock,  
Davisian : 9/24/2016 12:09 am : link
But those plucky young guns also went home quick.

Not USA  
JayBinQueens : 9/24/2016 9:28 pm : link
But JT just had a gorgeous goal

Vs Russia.

Canada has owned the 3rd period.
Trouba evidentially requested a trade  
JayBinQueens : 9/24/2016 9:43 pm : link
What would the isles have to give up for him?
RE: Trouba evidentially requested a trade  
Anakim : 9/24/2016 10:12 pm : link
In comment 13139011 JayBinQueens said:
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What would the isles have to give up for him?


Why do you need him? You have Hamonic as your #1 RD


The Rangers and Devils will probably be all over Trouba.


BTW, Jacob Trouba > Adam Larsson. Fuck you, Edmonton. Taylor Hall for Trouba would've made more sense than Adam Larsson for Hall.
May not "need" him  
JayBinQueens : 9/24/2016 10:14 pm : link
But when a player of his caliber becomes available you inquire.

May not be something the Isle would give up since they have Hamonic but he would definitely make the defense a big strength
True, but at what cost? Trouba will probably cost an arm and a leg  
Anakim : 9/24/2016 10:17 pm : link
For the Devils, he probably steps in and becomes the #1 RD. For the Rangers, he probably starts on the second pair and takes over for Klein sooner or later.

They need a LHD so if the Rangers want him, I'm afraid they might have to part with Skjei or Graves
I'm not saying they'll do it.  
JayBinQueens : 9/24/2016 10:27 pm : link
I'm just curious what that arm and a leg would look like in terms of our prospects.
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