Huge game for OBJ this weekend

Norman is better than he's being given credit for, IMO. Beckham will make some plays - maybe find the endzone, but with Cruz and Shepard on the field, there's less incentive to force the ball to Beckham.

But if Norman stays on one side of the field for the whole game, Beckham might get more opportunities. And I think both Cruz and Shepard are better matched up against Norman anyway.

I don't love our chances because this is the first two dimensional team we've faced and they will be desperate at 0-2. That said, OBJ seems focused and ready in his interviews and in the ones I've seen locally of Norman, he looks really unsettled. I take OBJ for a guy who doesn't back down or shrink from any challenge and him motivated to avenge that game and all the shit talk since will propel him to a huge game. I think the petty scrappy stuff won't even show up on Sunday because both know the impact it will have on their images and wallets but OBJ is the superior athlete and competitor and I don't think he'll be happy until he dominates Norman.

In comment 13137032 Joey in VA said:

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I don't love our chances because this is the first two dimensional team we've faced and they will be desperate at 0-2. That said, OBJ seems focused and ready in his interviews and in the ones I've seen locally of Norman, he looks really unsettled. I take OBJ for a guy who doesn't back down or shrink from any challenge and him motivated to avenge that game and all the shit talk since will propel him to a huge game. I think the petty scrappy stuff won't even show up on Sunday because both know the impact it will have on their images and wallets but OBJ is the superior athlete and competitor and I don't think he'll be happy until he dominates Norman.

I agree that this is a game the Giants have typically lost in the past. Especially given the respective records. But this group has an attitude and that Norman disrupted the group so much last year might have this Giants team tasting blood in their mouth before the first punch has even been thrown. I think our O is fine this week. I am more worried about the defense maintaining its intensity.

I am really nervous and really excited at the same time. But I think Beckham is going to play the game of his life personally.

This week mainly because we no longer need him to have a line of 10/130/2 to win this year. Last year if the opposing team took out ODB we couldn't move the ball. This year is completely different with Shepard and Cruz. We don't need Odell to go off to win. Eli will distribute the ball depending on the open receiver. Most likely won't be ODB since he will have a top corner and safety help on him all game. I have a feeling Shepard comes out of this game with crazy hype.

If he has a huge game, well, you know what can happen. If he doesn't, then he more than likely clears the path(s) for VC and/or SS to be productive..

has a pedestrian game (ie- 4 catches for 50 yards) and the Giants win 24-10 because the Skins can't cover Cruz and Shepard, I have a feeling both Beckham and Norman will leave the game happy.

In comment 13137084 Matt in SGS said:

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has a pedestrian game (ie- 4 catches for 50 yards) and the Giants win 24-10 because the Skins can't cover Cruz and Shepard, I have a feeling both Beckham and Norman will leave the game happy.

+1.

About this being a tough game this week...

I think the Washington gameplan has started already with announcing that Norman will shadow him on the field. They are going to jam him off the line and frustrate him with a safety over the top. And I don't think he will have a big week. Just my opinion.

was that I felt OBJ would come back down to earth a bit this year. Partially because Eli has other options now and he does not have to look at OBJ on every play as the first option. Partly because teams are finding ways to neutralize him. Possibly allow him to catch the shorter passes but not get beat for big plays.

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I think the Washington gameplan has started already with announcing that Norman will shadow him on the field. They are going to jam him off the line and frustrate him with a safety over the top. And I don't think he will have a big week. Just my opinion.

Why would they announce this unless this is misinformation. Why even talk strategy.

And bust out massive game. That said, I'm not expecting it. Mostly because the differential between Odell and Cruz Shepard is not as big as the gap between Norman and other Washington CBs, hence the best matchups Eli sees may be elsewhere.

With that in mind, NYG have to challenge Norman with Odell, and they need to do it early. If they can get in his head, things may come unraveled. By that I don't mean like what we saw last year, I mean like thrown off his game unraveled.

We'll also see Odell in the slot a bit, I would suggest. I doubt they send Norman into the slot to cover Odell -that's just asking for trouble. So they have that anytime they want it.

But I don't want Eli force-feeding him the ball if he doesn't have to. I'd rather have Eli make good use of all of his receivers.

In comment 13137157 Klaatu said:

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But I don't want Eli force-feeding him the ball if he doesn't have to. I'd rather have Eli make good use of all of his receivers.

Don't need to force feed him, but I think they should design a few plays to get Beckham involved early and make sure his head's in the game. Reverse, WR screen, etc.

Or play action the first time they show man coverage and hit him 3 yards behind Norman...

With an objective being for OBJ to have a monster game. For all the talk about Norman shadowing, it doesn't mean that they're going to be on an island. You can bet your ass the skins will still be shading the safeties in his direction.

Take what's there. as always, OBJ should be the first read on a lot of different plays. You don't increase that artificially just because the circus is in town.

If I had to guess at the big stat compilers for the Giants, I think one or both of Shepard and Vereen will be very busy.

Whatever keeps the offense on the field. Don't give Cousins 4 drives in the first quarter to get in rhythm.

it's the NY Giants.
the last few years u take away Eli's favorite guy and our offense SUCKS. Randle, preston effing parker, larry donnell, tye. just force us to go somewhere else with the ball and you'll probably win the game.

Sure, we could lose - it's a division game. It will be a tough battle. But considering the fact we BARELY lost to these guys when they were playing great and we had no defense and nothing outside of Odell last year - I like our chances.

can't we just stop the outlandish predictions and let the games unfold? He's done shit so far, let's hope he comes back to form.

that if the Giants won 56-0 and Beckham went catchless that both Beckham and Norman would leave the game happy.

I just think that too many people are caught up in the OBJ vs. Norman thing. Sure, I'd like to see OBJ humiliate that pinhead on national TV, but my main concern is the Giants beating the Redskins by any means necessary, and if that means less OBJ and more Shepard and Cruz, well, so be it.

Now, that doesn't mean that I want the Giants to ignore OBJ completely. He's still our best receiver and I do expect the Giants to make him a focal point of their passing attack. Why wouldn't they? His talent is undeniable. I guess my point is that the Giants don't have to lean on that talent as much as they've had to for the past couple of years.

there was nothing worse than watching us just try to stuff the ball down Odell's throat the whole game. I'm glad we're not like the Steelers who throw 10 screens a game to antonio brown. do not like that style of O.

you want to take Beckham away?

you're getting scorched by Shepard or Cruz. End of story.

beyond that, it's up to McAdoo to find a way to hit Beckham on some key plays, at the right time. (like he did vs. the saints when ODB dropped it). Scheme it up, hit em when it counts

not to have a big game. He is a better player than Norman, period. The only way he doesnt have a big game is if our other WRs get open, our OL cant block, or Eli has a big game. OBJ is a top 3 WR in the game. I dont give a flying fuck where Norman is rated, but he was torched last year by OBJ and if left 1 on 1 he will be torched again.

This is a HUGE game for the Giants, and OBJ needs to be what he has been for over 2 years now.... the best player on the field.

or just move him around to see where Norman goes. The Giants will get the right match ups and then try to exploit their defense. Saying that, I think OBJ will get his share of receptions. I'm not sure he'll have a monster game as teams have really gone out of their way to ensure he is bracketed and that they are limited his productivity once he catches the ball though. I'm hoping their attention on OBJ leaves big opportunities for SS and VC and that they can take advantage of them. We need to score TDs this week and not FGs.

The Skins are going to sell out to stop OBJ, and for the most part they will - and in the meanwhile, the rest of the offense is going to go off.

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not to have a big game. He is a better player than Norman, period. The only way he doesnt have a big game is if our other WRs get open, our OL cant block, or Eli has a big game. OBJ is a top 3 WR in the game. I dont give a flying fuck where Norman is rated, but he was torched last year by OBJ and if left 1 on 1 he will be torched again. This is a HUGE game for the Giants, and OBJ needs to be what he has been for over 2 years now.... the best player on the field.

So no excuse other than the 3 you listed?

In comment 13137179 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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that if the Giants won 56-0 and Beckham went catchless that both Beckham and Norman would leave the game happy.

TOO FUNNY!

He destroyed Norman last year (Dropped one & Eli missed one) & Norman was on a team with a much better defense & pass rush.

how much Cousins sucks. We're going to totally neutralize him.

also, this is the week OBJ throws a TD pass.

In comment 13137097 cjac said:

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I think the Washington gameplan has started already with announcing that Norman will shadow him on the field. They are going to jam him off the line and frustrate him with a safety over the top. And I don't think he will have a big week. Just my opinion.

Oh, well, if they are going to double him, then there's no chance he will play well--he's never been doubled!

In comment 13137229 bigbluehoya said:

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In comment 13137198 dep026 said: Quote: not to have a big game. He is a better player than Norman, period. The only way he doesnt have a big game is if our other WRs get open, our OL cant block, or Eli has a big game. OBJ is a top 3 WR in the game. I dont give a flying fuck where Norman is rated, but he was torched last year by OBJ and if left 1 on 1 he will be torched again. This is a HUGE game for the Giants, and OBJ needs to be what he has been for over 2 years now.... the best player on the field. So no excuse other than the 3 you listed?

If you understood the concept of the post is it doesnt matter that Norman is guarding Beckham. I dont get why so many fans are worried about this. I dont understand why we have to get SS and VC the ball. If OBJ gets Norman 1 on 1 with no safety help, OBJ should be thrown the ball every single time because he is better than Norman. Norman couldnt cover him with help last year.

I'd be shocked if OBJ wasnt the player of the game this week. He has had 2 subpar results already. Its time for him to get 150 and multiple TDs.

But the saints are one dimensional? That makes no sense?

Saints are two dimensional. They can run and pass as well as anyone. Skins can't run the ball tor shit and their QB is at best average and right now he's crap.

I don't compute.

The Giants have gotten fat the last 3-4 years on crappier oppostion.

You guys down there in skins land are just scared. Toughen up!

Read the coverage, find a matchup he likes and give his receiver a chance to make a play. If that's Odell Beckham, great. If it's Larry Donnell or Will Tye or Shane Vereen, that's fine too. And if he doesn't like anything he sees, he'll audible to that shotgun trap (or whatever it is) and get booed by fans who think he should throw into coverage.

There are only two reasons I can see Giant fans caring about Beckham's statistics: either they own him in a fantasy league or they've swallowed the BS hype about him and Josh Norman. The Carolina game was ages ago. Get over it. I certainly hope OBJ has; with his other-worldly talent, he doesn't need extra motivation or adrenaline.

What I love is that Eli finally has enough alternate weapons to make an opponent pay for keying on Beckham.

nails it perfectly.

Norman nor OBJ will dictate where the ball will go. Eli will go through his progressions and throw it where the coverage dictates.

I think he's going to have an epic performance and will channel his emotions productively

In comment 13137332 Big Blue Blogger said:

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Read the coverage, find a matchup he likes and give his receiver a chance to make a play. If that's Odell Beckham, great. If it's Larry Donnell or Will Tye or Shane Vereen, that's fine too. And if he doesn't like anything he sees, he'll audible to that shotgun trap (or whatever it is) and get booed by fans who think he should throw into coverage. There are only two reasons I can see Giant fans caring about Beckham's statistics: either they own him in a fantasy league or they've swallowed the BS hype about him and Josh Norman. The Carolina game was ages ago. Get over it. I certainly hope OBJ has; with his other-worldly talent, he doesn't need extra motivation or adrenaline. What I love is that Eli finally has enough alternate weapons to make an opponent pay for keying on Beckham.

And if OBJ-Norman is 1 on 1, he should go to OBJ.... a lot. There is no reason to think Norman can shut him down. He couldnt last year in a cover 3, how the hell is he going to do it in 0 coverage?

In comment 13137357 dep026 said:

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In comment 13137332 Big Blue Blogger said: Quote: Read the coverage, find a matchup he likes and give his receiver a chance to make a play. If that's Odell Beckham, great. If it's Larry Donnell or Will Tye or Shane Vereen, that's fine too. And if he doesn't like anything he sees, he'll audible to that shotgun trap (or whatever it is) and get booed by fans who think he should throw into coverage. There are only two reasons I can see Giant fans caring about Beckham's statistics: either they own him in a fantasy league or they've swallowed the BS hype about him and Josh Norman. The Carolina game was ages ago. Get over it. I certainly hope OBJ has; with his other-worldly talent, he doesn't need extra motivation or adrenaline. What I love is that Eli finally has enough alternate weapons to make an opponent pay for keying on Beckham. And if OBJ-Norman is 1 on 1, he should go to OBJ.... a lot. There is no reason to think Norman can shut him down. He couldnt last year in a cover 3, how the hell is he going to do it in 0 coverage?

Correct... but if they are doubling OBJ and leaving Cruz or Shepard in single coverage then Eli is smart enough to go to one of the other two vs OBJ in that situation.

That the redskins are going to play 0 coverage on OBJ? I think that's where all of this is falling apart.

If they were to (stupidly) do that, I don't think too many people would disagree with you, dep

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That the Redskins are going to play 0 coverage on OBJ? I think that's where all of this is falling apart. If they were to (stupidly) do that, I don't think too many people would disagree with you, dep

I think Cover-Zero would imply that Washington is either run-blitzing or rushing at least six, with the goal of pressuring Eli into a sack or a hurried throw. We'll probably see some of that. I wouldn't expect Joe Barry to sit back in Cover-Two all day and let Eli pick his defense apart against a predictable three- or four-man rush. Washington's linebackers have some pass-rush ability, and the Giants are dealing with injuries at RT and RB that might downgrade their protection.

In comment 13137445 Big Blue Blogger said:

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bigbluehoya said: Quote: That the Redskins are going to play 0 coverage on OBJ? I think that's where all of this is falling apart. If they were to (stupidly) do that, I don't think too many people would disagree with you, dep I think Cover-Zero would imply that Washington is either run-blitzing or rushing at least six, with the goal of pressuring Eli into a sack or a hurried throw. We'll probably see some of that. I wouldn't expect Joe Barry to sit back in Cover-Two all day and let Eli pick his defense apart against a predictable three- or four-man rush. Washington's linebackers have some pass-rush ability, and the Giants are dealing with injuries at RT and RB that might downgrade their protection.

Oh if they go cover 2, all our WRs will have big days. I am confident that Eli could have a monster day against the Skins. I think the only way he doesnt if he is pressured, so I am expecting some blitzes.

5 catches for 80 yards or so.

Beckham will get doubled but he'll produce because he's that good, and Shepard/Cruz will do damage with the focus being on Beckham.

In comment 13137461 Mike in Long Beach said:

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5 catches for 80 yards or so. Beckham will get doubled but he'll produce because he's that good, and Shepard/Cruz will do damage with the focus being on Beckham.

Why would he need to be doubled? PFF's #1 CB will be covering him!

needs to get a hat on Sam Baker and Ryan Kerrigan. the simplest way for the Redskins to win this game - and they know this - is by destroying Eli. they've done a great job beating him up the last few times we've played.

baker in particular, we make this dude look like an All Pro every time

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In comment 13137134 Joey from GlenCove said:

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In comment 13137097 cjac said: Quote: I think the Washington gameplan has started already with announcing that Norman will shadow him on the field. They are going to jam him off the line and frustrate him with a safety over the top. And I don't think he will have a big week. Just my opinion. Why would they announce this unless this is misinformation. Why even talk strategy.

I dont know, but they did

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=541606

In comment 13137032 Joey in VA said:

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I don't love our chances because this is the first two dimensional team we've faced and they will be desperate at 0-2. That said, OBJ seems focused and ready in his interviews and in the ones I've seen locally of Norman, he looks really unsettled. I take OBJ for a guy who doesn't back down or shrink from any challenge and him motivated to avenge that game and all the shit talk since will propel him to a huge game. I think the petty scrappy stuff won't even show up on Sunday because both know the impact it will have on their images and wallets but OBJ is the superior athlete and competitor and I don't think he'll be happy until he dominates Norman.

I am not necessarily a homer.
Although I have been a big Giants' fan since 1960.
This will be OBJ's best week as a pro IMHO.
No less than 150 and 3 TDs.
We seem to tomahawk the Skins every season (no matter how bad we've started) when we play them early in the season at home.
The "O" is OVERDUE and the Redskins are a team presently on disarray.
If Cousins goes 3 and out on the first few possessions, this may likely be another blow-out vs. the Skins.
Eli to Beckham is just ready to exlode!

Solid but not overwhelming. Eli will spread the ball around.

like against Carolina and Beckham smokes Norman off the line, Eli hits him deep, only Beckham doesn't drop the ball this time.

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