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Why should I fear Washington?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/23/2016 7:26 pm
I get they are desperate. I recognize they won the division last year. But they're 0-2 and we're 2-0. Talent wise, I think we're better. Also, I think this team wants to erase the stink of the last time they played.

I see a lot of posters quaking in fear of this game. Why? Washington could obviously win-any given Sunday-but we should be the clear favorites if we play our game.
I think the Giants will win  
Route 9 : 9/23/2016 7:28 pm : link
The offense gets going and scores a lot in this one
Are people fearing them?  
steve in ky : 9/23/2016 7:28 pm : link
Everyone understands on any given Sunday... But I don't sense people are fearful of them.
I don't think anyone fears DC  
DieHard : 9/23/2016 7:35 pm : link
More like some are fearing the Giants will "revert to form" and lay an egg. I can't blame them given the results of the last 3 years.
only afraid of  
INDYJIM : 9/23/2016 7:36 pm : link
spiders, snakes and the IRS

Bill P 1986
Division games are rarely easy  
Carthonfan : 9/23/2016 7:36 pm : link
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Avenge Tour 2016!!  
Boy Cord : 9/23/2016 7:38 pm : link
Completely agree that the Giants have the better talent, particularly on defense. I think the apprehension comes from Giants teams coming up small when faced with the possibility of prosperity, even during their SB years.

Also, some Giants have been stoking the flames, and that has blown up in our faces, except for Plaxico's prediction before the first Pats Super Bowl. Add Thompson's injury, Garafalo's speculation about Vernon, and the fact that many BBIers nutsacks are getting tight as the game approaches.

Living in DC, a victory this weekend will be like a playoff win. Not just a wild card win, but a big one. The reason is DC will implode and the villagers will march to Skins Park with pitchforks and torches, and sports radio will cover all of it.

Giants 30, DC 20.
If we don't turn the ball over  
ChicagoMarty : 9/23/2016 7:38 pm : link
I like our chances
George??  
Larry in Pencilvania : 9/23/2016 7:42 pm : link
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Washington  
stretch234 : 9/23/2016 7:44 pm : link
I fear the Giants themselves rather than almost every opponent they face. They are a better team than Washington. Play their game they get to 3-0
Good teams beat the teams they're supposed to beat.  
Skankhunt42 : 9/23/2016 7:54 pm : link
Sunday will be a good test. Looking forward to watching is move the chains all day.
If Giants jump on Skins early, Skins could play dirty  
GloryDayz : 9/23/2016 7:56 pm : link
Facing a possible 0-3 start, with the OBJ-Norman situation festering, some talk back & forth from both locker rooms this week ,things could get a little ugly... cheap shots, penalties, or even Giants losing focus.

Reading into things, I think its something the Skins would want to instigate. Norman hasnt traveled in previous 2 games, but now they want him to follow OBJ? Why leak that information out anyways? I think they realize talent-wise they cant keep up with the Giants, so they're going to try win a psychological game.

Giants have to make sure they dont get sucked into it... but push anybody enough & you never know. That concerns me.
The politics  
MOOPS : 9/23/2016 8:39 pm : link
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RE: The politics  
steve in ky : 9/23/2016 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13138181 MOOPS said:
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You literally fear  
Randy in CT : 9/23/2016 8:56 pm : link
them in a radar, contrarian way--Trap game! They can't afford to lose this game!!!!

The Giants should win and obviously they may not. Are we really discussing the possibility of us winning or losing? Watch the fucking game!!
MOOPS  
AP in Halfmoon : 9/23/2016 9:06 pm : link
Stole my thunder.

It's football, anything can happen. There's a reason they actually play the games.
It has been so enjoyable listening to the locals ...  
Boy Cord : 9/23/2016 9:12 pm : link
... in DC all week. I can't imagine how a Giants victory would feel next week. Please make it happen Giants.
Dare I point out  
Enoch : 9/23/2016 9:13 pm : link
that the Giants are 2-0 by the absolute thinnest of margins? They played Dallas to a near-toss-up, just like Washington did, and eked out a win against the Saints, a significantly inferior team to the Pittsburgh squad that gave WAS their other loss.
RE: Dare I point out  
Boy Cord : 9/23/2016 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13138211 Enoch said:
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that the Giants are 2-0 by the absolute thinnest of margins? They played Dallas to a near-toss-up, just like Washington did, and eked out a win against the Saints, a significantly inferior team to the Pittsburgh squad that gave WAS their other loss.


No doubt. The Giants offense needs to get in gear as does the Skins. My money is on Eli leading the Giants vs. the Skins DC as opposed to Cousins leading the Skins vs. the Giants defense.
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arcarsenal : 9/23/2016 9:28 pm : link
I wouldn't say anyone should necessarily "fear" them but they are absolutely capable of beating us. A division game against a desperate team is always very tough to win regardless.

I certainly think the Giants are the better team. I think it's going to be a long day for Matt Jones on the ground but they have weapons in the pass game.. Reed is an elite player now and he's a matchup nightmare for a lot of defenders.

As long as everyone keeps their cool and this doesn't turn into Normanstock 2.0, I think we'll be okay. We HAVE to protect the football, though. Can't shoot ourselves in the foot, we'll lose this game if we do.

Feeling very confident we win if we play our game though.
SFGFNCGiantsFan  
EricJ : 9/23/2016 9:41 pm : link
I have to admit that when I first saw your thread title, I thought what I was going to find inside was political and I was prepared to respond with something like.. The IRS.

Anyway, regarding the Redskins...
To me, it is not about fearing them. I actually fear our own offense right now more than the Redskins. I am afraid about the fact that they scored once in two games against weak defenses. I am really pleased with our defense so far. It is as if there are role reversals now. The defense is (through 2 games) the strength right now with the offense playing like they are the weak link.
I'd say we should 7-10 point  
CT Charlie : 9/23/2016 9:42 pm : link
favorites -- not in a gambling world, but in a football world. That advantage can be wiped out quickly by an untimely turnover or broken play or two. Also, our offense hasn't done much against two weak defensive teams.

I really need to stop thinking about this game ...  
Boy Cord : 9/23/2016 9:45 pm : link
... until kickoff.
I have no fear of the Washington team.  
shelovesnycsports : 9/23/2016 9:46 pm : link
That horrible CB we drafted in the 2012 draft is gone. No free Touchdowns for Desean Jackson anymore.
Division game  
TommyWiseau : 9/23/2016 10:04 pm : link
And if we turnover the ball like we did last week it may not play out in our favor
'Why should I fear Washington?'...  
Torrag : 9/23/2016 10:08 pm : link
Simple really. We're still a flawed team and they are desperate for a win to save their season.
They are  
djstat : 9/23/2016 10:27 pm : link
An NFC EAST Foe. The season is 2 weeks old. They have talent. Fear? No.They are an opponent who can beat us.

After years of being a Giants fan these are the games they have  
GeorgeFox : 9/23/2016 11:59 pm : link
lost. It is not feat just being conditioned for years of loses to lesser teams.
washington did sack Dallas QB 4 times  
xman : 9/24/2016 12:00 am : link
they might have a nice DL. They lost so. We won but never touched the QB.
I worry about the same thing everyone on this board has worried about  
GeofromNJ : 9/24/2016 1:01 am : link
since the OTA's. The Giants offensive line. Sure, Newhouse isn't much, but Hart strikes me as less. If the Giants are not able to run the ball, and with Norman knocking down Beckham on every play, it may again be up to Shepard and Cruz.
Desean  
chopperhatch : 9/24/2016 1:45 am : link
Jackson. That guy is like a pit viper to the Giants.
RE: Desean  
rdt288 : 9/24/2016 5:53 am : link
In comment 13138328 chopperhatch said:
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Jackson. That guy is like a pit viper to the Giants.


Read Jackson may not play
It s the NFL  
joeinpa : 9/24/2016 5:57 am : link
No game is easy. There is an ebb and flow to every game. If an oppnent has successfully game planned to exploit weakness, until adjustments are made better talent can be neutralized.
Go back 5 months  
Bramton1 : 9/24/2016 7:19 am : link
The Giants are starting to emerge as the division's top team. If they beat the Redskins, it puts them in a very strong position. We had already beaten them once that season. This was a game we should definitely win. Then we're flat for 3 quarters and Washington wins.

Today, we are starting to emerge as the division's top team. If we beat the Redskins, it puts us in a very strong position (3-0, three games ahead of the Redskins, a realistic chancce at sole possession of first place. This is a game we should definitely win.

Any questions?
RE: Go back 5 months  
Boy Cord : 9/24/2016 7:37 am : link
In comment 13138358 Bramton1 said:
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The Giants are starting to emerge as the division's top team. If they beat the Redskins, it puts them in a very strong position. We had already beaten them once that season. This was a game we should definitely win. Then we're flat for 3 quarters and Washington wins.

Today, we are starting to emerge as the division's top team. If we beat the Redskins, it puts us in a very strong position (3-0, three games ahead of the Redskins, a realistic chancce at sole possession of first place. This is a game we should definitely win.

Any questions?


Five months ago was baseball season. Also, at no point last season were the Giants an up and coming team. Their defense was a disaster as was the offensive line and running game, and the injuries were beyond ridiculous.
RE: RE: Desean  
Boy Cord : 9/24/2016 7:38 am : link
In comment 13138341 rdt288 said:
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Jackson. That guy is like a pit viper to the Giants.



Read Jackson may not play


Jackson is absolutely playing. He missed one practice early in the week, but practiced fully yesterday.
RE: 'Why should I fear Washington?'...  
wide right : 9/24/2016 7:57 am : link
In comment 13138257 Torrag said:
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Simple really. We're still a flawed team and they are desperate for a win to save their season.


Completely agree. All that needs to be said. GO GIANTS!!!!
I don't fear the Redskins  
j_rud : 9/24/2016 8:02 am : link
I fear the teams tendency in recent years to lay eggs in big games and/or play down to the level of competition. And this game certainly ffits the criteria: Giants are nearly more talented than Washington across the board (their LBers are solid and it's more than Kerrigan-Mason Foster and Will Compton are nice players) ) and have a chance to not only solidify their place at the head of the division early but to put the first nail in Washington's 2016 coffin.

However, that said...this is not a Giants team of the past decade (no disrespect to Tom Coughlin intended). This is a new era with a largely new and much more talented roster. It features a different coaching staff and from what I can tell through 2 games, a different attitude. Washington is struggling, we're hearing the quiet grumblings that often grow into a locker room of discontent, the injury list is lengthy and filled with the names of several key players, and perhaps most importantly their QB is struggling and we may be getting an early answer as to if the pressure of living up to last season will be a factor.

The first two weeks saw the Giants gain their footing, begin to establish their identity, and win the kind of games they lost in seasons past. Now they will begi pm to hit their stride. The Giants are better than this team. And it will be on full display tomorrow, when the defense shells Cousins, Eli drops a few bombs of his own, and Odell and Co. take Norman to the woodshed.
Based on the latest injury report...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/24/2016 8:05 am : link
...the Redskins appear to be a bit healthier than the Giants. DeSean Jackson and Trent Williams both practiced without significant restrictions on Friday, so Washington's inactive list for Sunday will be mostly - or all - healthy scratches. In the NFL, there are few easy wins over healthy teams. Washington does have a hole at NT after losing Kedric Golston for the year. Golston wasn't much more than a stopgap himself, so the drop-off to Cullen Jenkins might not be that big. We should find out early, because Sullivan and McAdoo are sure to attack the soft middle of the Redskin defense.

The Redskins have enough weapons in the passing game to be dangerous if Cousins plays at the upper end of his mediocre range. Assuming Doctson's Achilles is OK, Washington is four-deep with legit talent at WR. (I know Crowder's stats are unimpressive, but the skills are there). Jordan Reed is among the best pass-catching TEs in the League. They will spread the field. I think the Giants can handle the Redskins' running game with six in the box; but I also expect Cousins to have opportunities, especially with the Giants' best centerfielder out indefinitely. Cousins only has to hit a few to keep Washington in the game. Add a Giant turnover or two, and this one could get ugly fast.
George Fox  
GFL in WV : 9/24/2016 9:50 am : link
nailed it. Not afraid of the Skins as much as afraid of the Giants taking the day off. Too many games over the last few years the Giants just didn't seem to show up for. Love this team now but it is the past that is making me hesitant to get too into this.
RE: George Fox  
GeofromNJ : 9/24/2016 9:58 am : link
In comment 13138429 GFL in WV said:
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nailed it. Not afraid of the Skins as much as afraid of the Giants taking the day off. Too many games over the last few years the Giants just didn't seem to show up for. Love this team now but it is the past that is making me hesitant to get too into this.

One thing the Giants are not going to do is take the day off. But what they will do is struggle to run the ball, which means its up to Cruz and Shepard because I don't expect a breakout game from Beckham unless the refs are willing to throw the flag against Norman.
The NFL is a very tough league, and most games are close  
PatersonPlank : 9/24/2016 10:12 am : link
Its rare for a team to get many easy wins, especially good but not great teams like us. This isn't college where the talent level is very skewed.I am sure this game will be tough, relatively, close, and have many ups and downs. The point is to win, how much really doesn't matter.
The offense is averaging 14 points a game  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 9/24/2016 11:47 am : link
and we've won both games by an average of 2 points. On the other hand we're playing a desperate divisional opponent.


If you aren't nervous you aren't thinking this through.
RE: I think the Giants will win  
NYDCBlue : 9/24/2016 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13138136 Route 9 said:
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The offense gets going and scores a lot in this one


It is too early to tell, but what if Sullivan is in over his head, and the offense never turns the corner because it is hamstrung by a poor offensive coordinator?
RE: RE: I think the Giants will win  
shelovesnycsports : 9/24/2016 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13138604 NYDCBlue said:
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The offense gets going and scores a lot in this one



It is too early to tell, but what if Sullivan is in over his head, and the offense never turns the corner because it is hamstrung by a poor offensive coordinator?

I think the way the Giants Offense is set up..Eli is really the Offensive Coordinator at least in game changing plays.
RE: RE: I think the Giants will win  
Boy Cord : 9/24/2016 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13138604 NYDCBlue said:
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The offense gets going and scores a lot in this one



It is too early to tell, but what if Sullivan is in over his head, and the offense never turns the corner because it is hamstrung by a poor offensive coordinator?


Damage can be mitigated by McAdoo stepping in and taking more control.
RE: I have no fear of the Washington team.  
NYDCBlue : 9/24/2016 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13138243 shelovesnycsports said:
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That horrible CB we drafted in the 2012 draft is gone. No free Touchdowns for Desean Jackson anymore.


This is a great euphemism for Mr. Sports Science, who's name shall not be mentioned....
I fear clowns  
Jimmy Googs : 9/24/2016 1:52 pm : link
mostly...
RE: I worry about the same thing everyone on this board has worried about  
NYDCBlue : 9/24/2016 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13138320 GeofromNJ said:
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since the OTA's. The Giants offensive line. Sure, Newhouse isn't much, but Hart strikes me as less. If the Giants are not able to run the ball, and with Norman knocking down Beckham on every play, it may again be up to Shepard and Cruz.


Norman will not follow Becky into the slot. Besides, I know he is supposed to be playing the best ball of his career this year, but I still think he is not talented enough to cover Beckham all game.
If the Giants don't turn the ball over  
Les in TO : 9/24/2016 2:32 pm : link
We are going to roll those District of Columbia punks
RE: If the Giants don't turn the ball over  
Boy Cord : 9/24/2016 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13138634 Les in TO said:
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We are going to roll those District of Columbia punks


If the Giants lose, my entire week is going to feel like one big massive hangover.
If we turn the ball over 3 times  
Bluesbreaker : 9/24/2016 8:14 pm : link
and do not score a TD on offense we will be 2-1
Fear no respect yes ..
30-17 Win Yesss !
RE: RE: RE: I think the Giants will win  
NYDCBlue : 9/24/2016 11:02 pm : link
In comment 13138609 Boy Cord said:
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The offense gets going and scores a lot in this one



It is too early to tell, but what if Sullivan is in over his head, and the offense never turns the corner because it is hamstrung by a poor offensive coordinator?



Damage can be mitigated by McAdoo stepping in and taking more control.


Well first, I honestly do think it is too early to judge here, but if at some point down the line McAdoo has to do that, I worry about the effect on the defense and special teams.

I am reminded now of an article I read recently about Fassel's first year hear and how he described the challenges of being a first year head coach. He specifically mentioned maintaining offensive production as a challenge after being promoted from October HC. That is exactly the situation the Doo is in right now as a first year HC.
Fassel was an idiot  
Cruzin : 9/24/2016 11:30 pm : link

Why fear Washington? ( apologies for not reading the rest of he thread)

Chris Thompson, Jordan Reed, dare I say it Desean Jackson. We need a pass rush that will not allow Kirk Cousins to accept he is a rich man and settle down into a role as a precision short passing QB.

Gruden's no dummy, he's coming at us where Collins is forced into coverage because Landon Collins is possibly the worst cover safety in the NFL. A pass rush hides that flaw, ball control by our offense limits what Washington can do. We should be able to move the ball, no question Eli is the better QB, we just can't let Cousins get comfortable.

Ironic that Cousins was the top QB n passing percentage last year and Eli has that distinction going into this game. It's a dink and dunk world out there. Maybe we'll see OBJ this week instead of Desean Jackson? Let us pray...
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