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A few random musings about upcoming Washington Game...

M.S. : 9/24/2016 3:00 pm
(1) At the time, I didn't care who won last week's Dallas/Washington game, but in retrospect I sorta wish Washington came away with a "W." Now their backs are up against the wall and that's always a dangerous situation to be in home or away;

(2) Washington's offensive line was very impressive last season, and they continue to be so this season. If we had last season's front 4 playing tomorrow, I wouldn't be feeling so good. But this year's front 4 can hold its own, but there's a huge caveat: Olivier Vernon! Throughout the preseason and first game of year, he was an F-ing beast. Last week -- with a hand injury -- he sorta disappeared. Which Oliver Vernon comes out tomorrow?

(3) Missing our rookie human torpedo at Safety, Darian Thompson, is a big loss in a big game. Washington has a very talented receiver / TE corp and I would feel a lot better with Thompson directing traffic on the back line;

(4) Ryan Kerrigan has lit up the Giants and has thrown Eli Manning around like a rag doll. The #1 way to "handle" this guy is to run straight at him and let him know the run game is coming his way;

(5) And speaking of the run game, Washington doesn't exactly scare teams with their run defense, but the Giants won't do very much on the ground if their running backs run parallel to the line of scrimmage. The Giants are simply NOT built to get to a soft corner and the sight of ANY of their linemen on a long pull is just plug ugly. Run between the tackles, keeping our running backs within a 45 degree angle, and we should be fine;

(6) I don't believe for a moment this game will start out with the Giants roaring out of the gate... much more likely the other way. So long as Giants do not let this game get away from them quickly, they should be fine and their overall talent on both sides of the ball will tell in the end;

(7) But that may all depend on Bob McAdoo and how he performs in his third game as a head coach! His #1 job IMO (outside of just winning tomorrow)... convince his players that they are walking into a cage with a wounded animal. Withstand the initial charge and then administer the coup de grace. Quickly.

New York Giants 24
Washington Redskins: 20
My main concern about this game is Berhe  
chris r : 9/24/2016 3:03 pm : link
keeping Jackson from getting behind him.
As long as they match the Skins  
Dave on the UWS : 9/24/2016 3:12 pm : link
intensity level they should be fine. The lines will set the tempo. Running at and over Kerrigan and smacking Cousins around would set the tempo for the game
Who is Bob  
GeorgeAdams33 : 9/24/2016 3:46 pm : link
McAdoo??
Are all of your musings pessimistic?  
BestFeature : 9/24/2016 3:53 pm : link
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I predict either Berhe or Collins  
SHO'NUFF : 9/24/2016 3:53 pm : link
knocking Reed out the game.
RE: Are all of your musings pessimistic?  
chris r : 9/24/2016 4:00 pm : link
In comment 13138690 BestFeature said:
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You may have missed the final score musing.
What about  
mikeygiants : 9/24/2016 4:03 pm : link
Bob McAdoo?
Kerrigan hasn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/24/2016 4:04 pm : link
"lit up" the Giants. He has less sacks, tackles and assists than vs. the Eagles or Cowboys. He has double the n umber of tackles vs. the Eagles.
RE: Who is Bob  
M.S. : 9/24/2016 4:14 pm : link
In comment 13138685 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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McAdoo??


He played basketball in the NBA and then became an NFL coach!

(;-)
RE: Kerrigan hasn't..  
M.S. : 9/24/2016 4:15 pm : link
In comment 13138696 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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"lit up" the Giants. He has less sacks, tackles and assists than vs. the Eagles or Cowboys. He has double the n umber of tackles vs. the Eagles.


Didn't he have a pick six against Eli?
Yes..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/24/2016 4:19 pm : link
a 9-yard TD - his only INT or fumble recovery or forced fumble in 10 games against us.

So, did he throw Eli around like a rag doll on the INT, or are you just trying to remember shit that didn't happen?
RE: Yes..  
M.S. : 9/24/2016 4:28 pm : link
In comment 13138705 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a 9-yard TD - his only INT or fumble recovery or forced fumble in 10 games against us.

So, did he throw Eli around like a rag doll on the INT, or are you just trying to remember shit that didn't happen?

I seem to recall several sacks by him and lots of buzzing Eli in the pocket.
RE: RE: Who is Bob  
PatersonPlank : 9/24/2016 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13138701 M.S. said:
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In comment 13138685 GeorgeAdams33 said:


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McAdoo??



He played basketball in the NBA and then became an NFL coach!

(;-)


Led the NBA in scoring in 1974 (I think). Also played on the Knicks. Great frontline with McAdoo and Spencer Hayward.
RE: My main concern about this game is Berhe  
shabu : 9/24/2016 5:46 pm : link
In comment 13138661 chris r said:
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keeping Jackson from getting behind him.


I am more worried about whomever is covering Reed.
RE: Kerrigan hasn't..  
M.S. : 9/24/2016 6:12 pm : link
In comment 13138696 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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"lit up" the Giants. He has less sacks, tackles and assists than vs. the Eagles or Cowboys. He has double the n umber of tackles vs. the Eagles.

Not as many tackles and sacks as I thought. In his 5-year career, his PER GAME average against the Giants is 3 tackles and 1/2 sack.
i don't get how anyone could be  
SirYesSir : 9/24/2016 8:46 pm : link
down on vernon or not know if he'll "show up" tomorrow.

the guy's been outstanding vs. the run, and while he's not piling up sacks he's gotten pressure and drawn a few key holding calls.

He's earning his money, don't worry bout that
DC's OL is one dimensional. They are not good ...  
Boy Cord : 9/24/2016 8:50 pm : link
... against the run, but have kept Cousins very clean, even though Cousins has sat in the pocket.

I'm still happy DC lost to Dallas. The Giants are home, have beaten the crap out of DC in MetLife, and have the chance to make their football lives miserable. What a great opportunity.



I dont ever want to hear the words  
Glover : 9/24/2016 8:51 pm : link
"pressures" or "hurries" again. If the Giants get so many pressures and hurries, the odds are they would have a sack or two by now. Hit the QB BEFORE he throws the ball!!! PLEASE!!
Only things that worry me  
JOrthman : 9/24/2016 8:54 pm : link
Washington is desperate and it's a division game. I think clearly we are the better team, but those two things are what concerns me the most.
RE: I dont ever want to hear the words  
BigBlueShock : 9/24/2016 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13138970 Glover said:
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"pressures" or "hurries" again. If the Giants get so many pressures and hurries, the odds are they would have a sack or two by now. Hit the QB BEFORE he throws the ball!!! PLEASE!!

You're a very simple person.
So much wrong was this thread  
shelovesnycsports : 9/24/2016 11:17 pm : link
Berhe is the human missle not Thompson
Ben not Bob
Vernon was part of Spags defensive scheme to confuse Brees falling into coverage.
What a nasty tone this place can have.  
grizz299 : 9/24/2016 11:33 pm : link
Like you didn't know who the poster meant with Bob Mcadoo, but by all means make an issue of it.

Don't these frustrated losers realize those posts reflect on them and not on the OP. Same thing with "pessimistic" the OP is anything but, and it's another example of a loser trying to get attention and empowerment through a Put Down.
RE: Who is Bob  
Anakim : 9/24/2016 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13138685 GeorgeAdams33 said:
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McAdoo??



A great NBA player
All I know is if the Giants lose tomorrow, ...  
Boy Cord : 9/24/2016 11:40 pm : link
... their next two games are @MN and @GB. Skins go to Cleveland. Fortunes can change quickly. This team had better be ready tomorrow.
RE: RE: RE: Who is Bob  
BlueGuy : 9/25/2016 1:00 am : link
In comment 13138771 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13138701 M.S. said:


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In comment 13138685 GeorgeAdams33 said:


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McAdoo??



He played basketball in the NBA and then became an NFL coach!

(;-)



Led the NBA in scoring in 1974 (I think). Also played on the Knicks. Great frontline with McAdoo and Spencer Hayward.


Good job, nimrod. You chime in on the diss of the OP for fucking up McAdoo's name yet you called Spencer HAYWOOD Spencer Hayward.

Alrighty then.
My notes  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/25/2016 7:47 am : link
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(1) backs are up against the wall;

(2) but there's a huge caveat: Olivier Vernon! Which Oliver Vernon comes out tomorrow?

(3) Missing our rookie human torpedo at Safety, Darian Thompson. feel better with Thompson directing traffic on the back line;

(4) Ryan Kerrigan has lit up the Giants and has thrown Eli Manning around like a rag doll. The #1 way to "handle" this guy is to run straight at him and let him know the run game is coming his way;

(5) Run between the tackles, keeping our running backs within a 45 degree angle, and we should be fine;

(6) I don't believe for a moment this game will start out with the Giants roaring out of the gate...

(7) Bob McAdoo and how he performs in his third game as a head coach! convince his players that they are walking into a cage with a wounded animal.

(1) Agreed

(2) Agreed

(3) I think Behre is a human torpedo in his own right. I like Darian Thomson more for his ability to track the ball. I worry less about a player like Desean getting behind the defense with him in the game. Behre seems pretty good to me at taking on anything in front of him. Also I think it's more Collins that sets up the backfield and he's doing a great job of that. IMHO.

(4) I'm someone who thinks this team needs a lot more passing than running to be successful. However, I agree with you here. Even if the run isn't successful you have to make Kerrigan respect that you might run the ball. They also need to have the RBs and TEs help. Even if their blocks are bad (TE's I'm looking at you), every little chip will help. Maybe allowing him a free release on a designed screen over his head will make him think twice too.

(5) Not really running at Kerrigan if it's between the tackles but a run game would be nice none the less.

(6) I don't know. If they could start out fast it will let the air out of the sails quickly. Cousins is already under a lot of pressure based off what's been said and his performance last week. Tighten the vice and I think he will crack. He's no Eli Manning.

(7) Eh. I think that's been done. MacAdoo said even after the Boys game to stay humble (post game locker room speech). I don't think the team has lost any of it's intesity. This a big division game that gives them a good hold in the division AND could put a rival in a deep hole. A win here almost pushes the Redskins out of their concerns altogether. Also lot's of quality leadership on this team (former team captains). Much improved from year's ago IMHO. They know the costs.

(Extra) In the Giants favor is that they have dominated the Skins at home for years now. Cousins has only had 1 good game against them. If the offense cleans up the drops and fumbles, this should be an easy game and the rest of the season will be exciting to watch. I really do think they could be undefeated at the bye IF the offense cleans things up.
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