Why no sacks by D-line - Theory

It is always a combination of things. In week one, I feel that they were playing very cautious and disciplined in their approach because nobody really knew what to expect from Prescott. I think they wanted him to beat them with his arm and not his legs. In week 2, we played Brees who is very savvy and likes to get the ball out quick. I agree that we haven't really seen this DL pin their ears back yet but being 2-0 allows for this to be a background story. If we were 0-2 then it would be a much bigger story. It is definitely worth discussing. I don't think it is that big of an issue yet but it is worth monitoring. We have gotten some pressure though which gives us all hope that these sacks will come more frequently.

That is a factor, but we faced a really good OL in the first week. In Week 2, Brees gets rid of the ball quickly.

In comment 13138675 Eric from BBI said:

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That is a factor, but we faced a really good OL in the first week. In Week 2, Brees gets rid of the ball quickly.

This.

In comment 13138674 robbieballs2003 said:

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It is always a combination of things. In week one, I feel that they were playing very cautious and disciplined in their approach because nobody really knew what to expect from Prescott. I think they wanted him to beat them with his arm and not his legs. In week 2, we played Brees who is very savvy and likes to get the ball out quick. I agree that we haven't really seen this DL pin their ears back yet but being 2-0 allows for this to be a background story. If we were 0-2 then it would be a much bigger story. It is definitely worth discussing. I don't think it is that big of an issue yet but it is worth monitoring. We have gotten some pressure though which gives us all hope that these sacks will come more frequently.

I agree with everything you said...

But i do believe when you know that teams are throwing and will be throwing and have to throw to catch up It allows you to be more aggressive because you know whats coming.

And lastly i don't think there is a problem at all with no sacks from DL.

Starts hitting its stride, the sacks will come because teams will have to play from behind.

In comment 13138681 BigBlueDownTheShore said:

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Starts hitting its stride, the sacks will come because teams will have to play from behind.

This was exactly my point. It's exciting because I think the team's best football in years is right around the corner.

Vernon is banged up and JPP is and has always been a dog.

In comment 13138675 Eric from BBI said:

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That is a factor, but we faced a really good OL in the first week. In Week 2, Brees gets rid of the ball quickly.

There were plenty of plays where Brees held the ball because of excellent coverage.

besides their strong OL, the team was not sure about Dak's tendencies. Spags mentioned in the presser that they expected him to run more so Spags emphasized what he called a Cage Rush. The containment was more important and disrupting the passer secondary. In the second half, he let the guys get after Dak more and it was evident in disrupting the QB.

Not everything can be summed up by a singular stat such as a sack.

Plus we were still getting pressure and hits on the QB. So eve if we got no actual sacks, we didn't impact the passing game. In addition, we were playing the run first.

I have zero concerns about our DL, its awesome and doing exactly what its being tolds to do. The DL has other responsibilities besides getting sacks. Stopping the run, controlling the edge, keeping backs and TE's off their routes by bumping them, containing the packet on passes, etc.

In comment 13138730 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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Vernon is banged up and JPP is and has always been a dog.

Define dog. I'm really not sure if you're serious with this comment.

JPP has probably been our best defensive player through 2 weeks or atleast top 3 along with Collins and Janoris.

There's the factors that Eric pointed out, and there's the fact that JPP isn't the player he was and Vernon is not a big pass rusher.

he's putting a lot of pressure on the QB and playing the run well like always, he just needs to get those sacks. But sacks always come in bunches.

because JPP proved him wrong.

Against Dak, we wanted to maintain gap responsibility, because we were anticipating him using his legs when plays break down. Brees is one of the toughest QB's to sack, because he gets rid of the ball very quickly, and he is pretty nifty in the pocket.

In comment 13138768 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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In comment 13138730 ThatLimerickGuy said: Quote: Vernon is banged up and JPP is and has always been a dog. Define dog. I'm really not sure if you're serious with this comment. JPP has probably been our best defensive player through 2 weeks or atleast top 3 along with Collins and Janoris.

Don't engage him. He's got a gimmick.

In comment 13138730 ThatLimerickGuy said:

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Vernon is banged up and JPP is and has always been a dog.

Wow...a dog? Seriously? What the fuck is wrong with you?

I think the Giants defense has been keying on disrupting passing lanes, which means you don't put your head down and make a mad blind dash to the QB, you hurry him AND you put your hands up. (Sacks are gravy).

The other thing you pick your blitzing opportunities very judiciously.

I think McAdoo has given Spags a "points allowed" target (16-17 ?). This may not mean spectacular go-for-broke defensive performances but rather translates into #1 Eliminating big offensive plays and #2 Getting the defense off the field, as much as possible.

Two very good OLines, that is BY FAR the biggest reason.

In comment 13138751 Diver_Down said:

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besides their strong OL, the team was not sure about Dak's tendencies. Spags mentioned in the presser that they expected him to run more so Spags emphasized what he called a Cage Rush. The containment was more important and disrupting the passer secondary. In the second half, he let the guys get after Dak more and it was evident in disrupting the QB. Not everything can be summed up by a singular stat such as a sack.

what HE said

Need more push from the middle...

In comment 13138812 Manny in CA said:

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I think McAdoo has given Spags a "points allowed" target (16-17 ?). This may not mean spectacular go-for-broke defensive performances but rather translates into #1 Eliminating big offensive plays and #2 Getting the defense off the field, as much as possible.

Setting a goal of 16-17 points per game is lofty air. That gets you into discussion with historically good defenses. The '15 Broncos allowed 18.5 per game.

In comment 13138675 Eric from BBI said:

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That is a factor, but we faced a really good OL in the first week. In Week 2, Brees gets rid of the ball quickly.

That's all it is. No theories needed

And forced bad throws and knock downs..theyll come..if they stay healthy or be healthy

The two O-lines we played one being one of the better in
the entire NFL and The Saints have a good mix of young
and veteran players Terron Armstead is a real up and commer .
I feel that with the influx of new players learning Spags
system will continue to get better .
We will see added blitzing Jenkins DRC and Collins plus
the emergence of Owa and Okwara as the season progresses
and teams will realize how tough it will be to run against
us will also pay dividends down the road .
If the offense gets clicking with a the defense being stout
Vs the Run it will lead to more opportunities when we
force teams to pass more and play from behind .

what Spag's D was designed to do. Strahan, Tuck, Osi, Robbins, Alford, etc were going to get to the QB if the game plan was to never cross the line of scrimmage.

Maybe Robert Ayers was the guy to keep, instead of JPP, for less money. He could have had the same production as last season with Vernon instead of JPP drawing all the attention. I was vehemently opposed to signing JPP for any price, but then I started to soften a little when I saw his off season work outs and such. I wanted to believe he would be better without the club. So far, he's pretty much the same player as last season, lots of "burst" and creates QB "pressures" and "hurries" but no sacks. I hope I'm wrong, but I had a thread after the Giants signed him, asking how many sacks? Put the over under at 4. I really hope I'm wrong, but I would have cut his ass right after the 4th of July incident. Losing their LT and franchise tagged DE before the season is why TC is gone. All I can say is I really hope I am wrong, but someone else would be paying him if it were up t me.

The Giants are giving up 3.3 yards per carry and 16 points per game.

The Giants gave up nearly as many yards and more points in 3 quarters to the Saints last year than they have in 2 games.

If you measure the quality of the defense on sack numbers, yikes.

I'll take the much improved, disciplined winning defense that's been on the field the last 2 weeks.

Jpp is 3rd in the NFL in QB hurries with 5. Vernon has 4. Giants also did get 2-3 sacks last Sunday after getting none week 1. These pass rush worrisome threads are weird to me. The dline has been the MVP of this team thus far. But it's all pass rush worries. The 90 Giants had 30 sacks that year. Their pass rush was legendary good.

The pass rush is fine. You also need to factor in the offenses they faced. Both The qbs they faced haven't been sitting back there with all day to throw. Quick drops...

Ayers was is and always will be an average player. He's a dog against the run when he logs a lot of time. Ayers was not a bad player but was exposed time in and time out here with the Giants. I can't believe anyone would want him over jpp. Jpp is twice the player Ayers is.

In comment 13139048 djm said:

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Ayers was is and always will be an average player. He's a dog against the run when he logs a lot of time. Ayers was not a bad player but was exposed time in and time out here with the Giants. I can't believe anyone would want him over jpp. Jpp is twice the player Ayers is.

Don't let logic get in the way dude. You're doing that crazy thing where you put productivity and winning above the stat line.

But he misses it too. We've faced two potent offenses and given up under twenty points. IN SPITE, of four turnovers.

I'll take those stats and don't give a darn if we never get a sac and JPP and Vernon are downfield in coverage on every play. In effect, the whole discussion is superfluous, bring it up when the villains are actually scoring on us..

That is all.