Should have gotten more targets. Eli missed him wide open more than once, once for a sure thing TD. The Giants played scared, they didn't want to make it a Odell vs Norman game when Odell clearly has a huge advantage. It was a shame they waited until the 4th quarter to really target him and call plays designed to get him the ball. We beat our selves today the same way we did on many occasions last season. Two road games ahead of us and all of a sudden things don't look good on the injury front. Huge loss today.
And he was still getting open. Dude lost it on that Tye Interception because he was so wide open on the play before for an easy TD.
Pathetic.
I don't care if he was triple teamed he was consistently getting open.
You again with this horseshit?
Agreed
I would rather a player be upset when team is losing than sitting on the bench not engaged or laughing about something else entirely.
Exactly. When it came to on the field composure, he was probably better than his other 52 teammates. Too bad FOX was more concerned with what he was doing on the sideline than lighting Will Tye's dumb ass on fire.
He made huge plays to help us win. Great player but he really does need to relax a bit at time and concentrate his fire in a different way.
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said they came to him before the game and told him if he did anything he would be ejected. It sounds like the NFL has a zero tolerance policy with Beckham.
Maybe because of the stupid move that cost him 36K the week before, and last year's fiasco...
You think Beckham is a jackass? Try listening to your nonsense week in and week out. Your schtick is more played out than the latest Adele single. The only thing more tired is your "it's SO tough being the smartest guy in the room" act. You're relative football IQ prevents you from being a troll in the same manner of an area junc/EliteMobster but good Christ man, it's tired. Dude could pull your family from a burning building and you'd still shit all over him. I used to say "you're smarter than this" but it's really beginning to beg the question. You act like dude dicked down your wife. That's how dumb it's getting.
Oh look, Terps hates an emotional player. Shock(ey) lol
His little melt down on the sidelines... at least it was on the sidelines.
BTW, I think his melt down had a lot to do with what we are talking about here. He probably wanted to know why the fuck we were throwing to a third string TE at a crucial point in the game when two other guys were open including him.
By that standard Norman should've been tossed in the 2nd possession after hitting Beckham sweaty from the ball on s ruining play. Of coder he somehow didn't even draw a flag...
I agree it's a title mature but the thing is that is who he is.
What I don't want is to see pressure put on him to squash his personality. IMO he seems to need the adrenaline and emotions to bring out the best in him. Some people are like that. Hopefully with time he matures to where he can better internalize that and still achieve the same results.
But as long as he can maintain control of himself on the field and doesn't hurt the team who really cares?
But, he is a loose canon. And needs to cool his jets more or he could be a Jest soon... Shockey II, I hope not...
Anyone who has played a sport at a high level recognizes this level of passion and commitment. No problem with him at all other than the dumb pick penalty.
But, he is a loose canon. And needs to cool his jets more or he could be a Jest soon... Shockey II, I hope not...
I think he is the antithesis of Shockey.
Shockey was all about himself and constantly lost his cool if he felt a pass should have been thrown his way and wasn't. Shockey was talented but played dumb.
Odell is all about winning and shows emotion because he wants the team to win and for him to be at his best.
Odell is all about team where Shockey was more about himself.
2x OBJ Cruz and Donell .
Eli was not sharp today he still puts up numbers and
Tye blew what would have been a TD .. We rag on Donell
but half the time he is attempting to block because
out O-line needs help on almost any play .
Its gonna continue to be inconsistent all year long .
Eli is gonna have a few off games win some lose some
but the play calling was questionable as is the run game
it always seems like the defense is tipped off when we do run
They dare us to run and cheat over the top .hence the
lack of big plays because no onne buys the play action.
Beckham is a jackass. He's great so his act is ok with you right now. But a fan of the team not liking it is a problem with you? That's funny. Plenty of guys have issues with Beckham acting like an asshole. If he was on another team he's be a Dez Bryant type for you.
Nobody on the sidelines was getting "FIRED UP" because he screams. Nobody. It does nothing for the team.
Struck a nerve, apparently. Some people can't accept that one of our players could be a clown.
Who gives a shit? Like seriously what difference does it make? It didn't affect his play on the field. He had 121 yards. Are you upset that he's not some role model or something? Get off your high horse.
You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.
Come on. He's a great player. TO had tons of drops and nobody disputes his greatness.
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.
Come on. He's a great player. TO had tons of drops and nobody disputes his greatness.
He is a great player. But its becoming problemsome with the mistakes he makes as well.
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.
You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.
No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.
You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.
No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.
Yes you are. OBJ is indisputably a great player. He's also really young.
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.
You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.
No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.
And they immediately got a first down on the next play. Is that penalty why Eli's final pass got picked off? And your point about great players is nonsense. I'm sure you think Antonio Brown is great and he did absolutely nothing with Norman covering him, including getting a pass knocked away from him.
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.
You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.
No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.
Yes you are. OBJ is indisputably a great player. He's also really young.
No, he really did have a drop at the 10 yard line and a penalty, where is the reaching?
His greatness is indisputable. You're confusing greatness with perfection.
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.
You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.
No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.
And they immediately got a first down on the next play. Is that penalty why Eli's final pass got picked off? And your point about great players is nonsense. I'm sure you think Antonio Brown is great and he did absolutely nothing with Norman covering him, including getting a pass knocked away from him.
I can point out all the times in the last 2 years where he was given a chance to make a play late in the game and he failed to make one, like dropping TD passes, but I am sure I would be reaching.
And Norman guarded Dez and Brown for about 10% of the game, no relevance whatsoever.
His greatness is indisputable. You're confusing greatness with perfection.
I am not confusing anything. He's our best player. And he is making mistakes that contribute to losses. People here slam Eli all the time (today, justifyably so) - He was part of the reason why we lost today too.
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as a 23 year old is a reach. He's had the best start to his career of any receiver in football history.
His greatness is indisputable. You're confusing greatness with perfection.
I am not confusing anything. He's our best player. And he is making mistakes that contribute to losses. People here slam Eli all the time (today, justifyably so) - He was part of the reason why we lost today too.
Don't change the goalposts. You said he's not a great player. He is.
Any mistakes that contribute to a loss means you contribute to a loss. Maybe if he catches the first down pass, they score a TD and win. Maybe if he doesnt get a penalty the sequence of plays change on the last drive.
This is the right take. He can clearly be a major jackass. But he's also a great player.
If he was on another team everybody here would hate him. And if you deny that you're a liar.
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AND a jackass. You can put up with it all day if he plays at this level.
This is the right take. He can clearly be a major jackass. But he's also a great player.
If he was on another team everybody here would hate him. And if you deny that you're a liar.
Yup.
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then I definitely think you're just trolling. He was consistently open against the highest paid corner in the sport, who was getting safety help most of the game.
Any mistakes that contribute to a loss means you contribute to a loss. Maybe if he catches the first down pass, they score a TD and win. Maybe if he doesnt get a penalty the sequence of plays change on the last drive.
Dep, I agree with you for the most part. A player can have 5 spectacular plays which do not amount to a hill of beans if that same player makes the mistake that ends the game for the team. However, I would be careful about your original statement which "implied" that because he makes mistakes then he is not great. We could say the same thing about other players on this team who we also like to think are/were great. LT made mistakes. Gifford fumbled in the championship game. Every QB we ever had made lots of mistakes, etc etc
How does Cruz end up with only 3 catches in a game where the Skins lose Breeland & Hall early, and OBJ getting most of the defense's attention (best CB with help from the safety). If you're not going to throw it OBJ's way because of all the attention he's getting from the defense, then you better take advantage of the single coverage Cruz & Shepard had. Under the circumstances, even Shepard's 5 receptions werent enough.
You have one of the best trios of WRs in the league, & you go to Rainey & Tye in the red zone?!!
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then I definitely think you're just trolling. He was consistently open against the highest paid corner in the sport, who was getting safety help most of the game.
Any mistakes that contribute to a loss means you contribute to a loss. Maybe if he catches the first down pass, they score a TD and win. Maybe if he doesnt get a penalty the sequence of plays change on the last drive.
Dep, I agree with you for the most part. A player can have 5 spectacular plays which do not amount to a hill of beans if that same player makes the mistake that ends the game for the team. However, I would be careful about your original statement which "implied" that because he makes mistakes then he is not great. We could say the same thing about other players on this team who we also like to think are/were great. LT made mistakes. Gifford fumbled in the championship game. Every QB we ever had made lots of mistakes, etc etc
Every mistake is magnified. Eli had over 300 yards and 0 INTs at point, and threw one shitty ball and Tye's putrid effort made it 2 total. Before that he was moving the ball at will. Guess what I will remember? The INT at the end of the game.
The loss today had nothing to do with him. He ratcheted it up when we needed him to late in the game and he made a bunch of plays. We couldn't stop shooting ourselves in the fucking foot with the terrible penalties and turnovers in crucial spots. Eli was lucky he didn't get picked 4 times today.
This team has to stop getting in its own way.. this is too reminiscent of shit we've seen in the past.
Only on BBI.
But he contributed to the loss with two crucial plays. To suggest otherwise is defending him like some do with Eli ;)
Like I said in the postgame thread; doesn't matter who the coaches are or who the players are. Every single year without fail; too many turnovers and too many penalties.
This this and more this.
Belichick and Tomlin get it. Fuck balance.
I've never said anything negative about Beckham's ability. He's obviously an incredible talent. He's also a jerk. I don't really care about that as long as it doesn't negatively impact the team.
It hasn't yet, but it doesn't take a leap of imagination to see a scenario where it becomes a problem. If he's going to be a crybaby when he doesn't get the ball that could be an issue. Hopefully that doesn't happen.
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Not in the top 10 reasons the Giants lost today.
But he contributed to the loss with two crucial plays. To suggest otherwise is defending him like some do with Eli ;)
He made enormous plays in the 4th, making nothing out of something a bunch of times. He was our best player in the 4th quarter hands down. He got the better of Norman despite Norman having safety help.
I love Eli but he was one of the main reasons we lost this game with his mediocre play. Sorry but Your shitting on Beckham and creating a "total team loss" thread is just annoying because it's clear what your agenda is. Eli missed a lot of passes in this one. So far he's had one very good game and two below average ones.
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Also the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the league. You have a scorned lover like complex with professional athletes (Plax) which is just odd. Should the Giants cut beckham and put Harris in for him?
I've never said anything negative about Beckham's ability. He's obviously an incredible talent. He's also a jerk. I don't really care about that as long as it doesn't negatively impact the team.
It hasn't yet, but it doesn't take a leap of imagination to see a scenario where it becomes a problem. If he's going to be a crybaby when he doesn't get the ball that could be an issue. Hopefully that doesn't happen.
Terps, let me get this straight. You don't really care about Beckham being a jerk as long as he produces... Yet your first comment on this thread was calling him a "jackass" and saying nothing else?
Clearly, you care.
He made enormous plays in the 4th, making nothing out of something a bunch of times. He was our best player in the 4th quarter hands down. He got the better of Norman despite Norman having safety help.
I love Eli but he was one of the main reasons we lost this game with his mediocre play. Sorry but Your shitting on Beckham and creating a "total team loss" thread is just annoying because it's clear what your agenda is. Eli missed a lot of passes in this one. So far he's had one very good game and two below average ones.
I believe Eli was number 1 on that thread and said his two throws were inexcusable. I dont know what you mean by agenda, but go for it. Maybe the agenda is absolving Beckham from blame on your part? His drop was absolutely enormous. It would have given us 1st and goal from the 10, and if we score a TD it forces Washington to score a TD. And his penalty not only was a ten yard penalty but negated a 12 yard pass play. So yes his mistakes, like his massive drop last week, have to be considered.
He had a big 4th quarter, no doubt. But he also made mistakes. Denying he didnt make a mistake is the agenda. And if we are crediting Norman with a good play on the drop, then should we acknowledge a 1 handed INT and a diving INT as good plays as well and absolve Eli? Of course not, thats silly.
You grade Odell on the "top 3 WR" curve but you don't do the same for Eli and QBs.
Turnovers have been the #1 problem with the team this year and Eli's not the only guy at fault but he's being careless with the ball again this year like he's always been.
Love Eli. Thought we was brilliant vs the Saints, but this L falls mainly on his shoulders. Not completely, this team did have a dozen costly penalties. But this is a game where Kirk fucking Cousins outplayed Eli Manning and kept the Redskins alive.
Odell was amazing with the game on the line and all the attention he's received has opened things up for the rest of the receivers. No one plays a perfect game.
Eli fumbles a shit ton for a guy who doesn't get sacked/run often. This isn't based on one game. Eli puts it on the ground.
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Eli fumbles a shit ton for a guy who doesn't get sacked/run often. This isn't based on one game. Eli puts it on the ground.
And OBJ has a knack for dropping balls late in games. This isnt based off today or even last week. He did it last year too.
Josh Brown might not miss a kick the rest of the season.
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Also the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the league. You have a scorned lover like complex with professional athletes (Plax) which is just odd. Should the Giants cut beckham and put Harris in for him?
I've never said anything negative about Beckham's ability. He's obviously an incredible talent. He's also a jerk. I don't really care about that as long as it doesn't negatively impact the team.
It hasn't yet, but it doesn't take a leap of imagination to see a scenario where it becomes a problem. If he's going to be a crybaby when he doesn't get the ball that could be an issue. Hopefully that doesn't happen.
Terps, let me get this straight. You don't really care about Beckham being a jerk as long as he produces... Yet your first comment on this thread was calling him a "jackass" and saying nothing else?
Clearly, you care.
There aren't 10 posters I like to read more than you. But you're damn right I'm calling you out right now.