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Odell Beckham Jr

est1986 : 9/25/2016 4:51 pm
Should have gotten more targets. Eli missed him wide open more than once, once for a sure thing TD. The Giants played scared, they didn't want to make it a Odell vs Norman game when Odell clearly has a huge advantage. It was a shame they waited until the 4th quarter to really target him and call plays designed to get him the ball. We beat our selves today the same way we did on many occasions last season. Two road games ahead of us and all of a sudden things don't look good on the injury front. Huge loss today.
Despite fox's best efforts  
giants#1 : 9/25/2016 4:53 pm : link
To make it seem like Norman had him 1v1,he was doubled most the game.
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BleedBlue : 9/25/2016 4:53 pm : link
i dunno about his targets but i agree giants played scared, skins secondary is average at best, i would have worked shep and cruz in much sooner. also tye stinks sorry but i would NEVER throw the seam to him again he straight gave up and lost inside leverage a DECENT TE keeps the inside track and catches a TD...
RE: Despite fox's best efforts  
Mason : 9/25/2016 4:53 pm : link
In comment 13141462 giants#1 said:
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To make it seem like Norman had him 1v1,he was doubled most the game.


And he was still getting open. Dude lost it on that Tye Interception because he was so wide open on the play before for an easy TD.
Somewhere right now  
Vin R : 9/25/2016 4:53 pm : link
FOX is still showing OBJ showing emotion on the sideline

Pathetic.
RE: Despite fox's best efforts  
est1986 : 9/25/2016 4:55 pm : link
In comment 13141462 giants#1 said:
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To make it seem like Norman had him 1v1,he was doubled most the game.


I don't care if he was triple teamed he was consistently getting open.
Beckham is a jackass  
Go Terps : 9/25/2016 4:56 pm : link
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RE: Beckham is a jackass  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/25/2016 4:56 pm : link
In comment 13141494 Go Terps said:
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You again with this horseshit?
the hate  
BleedBlue : 9/25/2016 4:58 pm : link
on OBJ is ridiculous. because he got mad? he wants to win more than anything...no lets cut obj and keep guys like tye who have NO BALLS and show NO EFFORT or hustle. the INT was on him, a decent TE scores there. tye is lazy and lost inside leverage.
Beckham in the postgame  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/25/2016 4:59 pm : link
said they came to him before the game and told him if he did anything he would be ejected. It sounds like the NFL has a zero tolerance policy with Beckham.
I'm pretty surprised  
UConn4523 : 9/25/2016 5:01 pm : link
he wasn't in motion more. No idea why we don't use him like Antonio brown.
im sorry  
BleedBlue : 9/25/2016 5:01 pm : link
but if you think beckham did ANYTHING wrong today, you have no idea what the NFL is about. you have to play with passion, he had a great game. he did his part despite having been doubled all game. he was fine. the problem i have is will tyes lazy ass, adams DUMB penalty, OV Dumb penalty and RICHBURGS DUMBEST FUCKING PENALTY. we had the ball at the three...straight embarrassing
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joe48 : 9/25/2016 5:01 pm : link
In comment 13141464 BleedBlue said:
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i dunno about his targets but i agree giants played scared, skins secondary is average at best, i would have worked shep and cruz in much sooner. also tye stinks sorry but i would NEVER throw the seam to him again he straight gave up and lost inside leverage a DECENT TE keeps the inside track and catches a TD...


Agreed
yea...beckham is a jackass...right...  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/25/2016 5:01 pm : link
he is also the most talented player on this team and Eli missed him for sure fire TD's at least twice in that game. The obvious one was when he threw across the middle to Shepard and almost got him decapitated.
I'll take a 1000 beckhams  
Gmen703 : 9/25/2016 5:02 pm : link
On offense instead of unsure receivers giving up on plays.
Who cares if he shows emotion on the sidelines as long as he  
steve in ky : 9/25/2016 5:04 pm : link
remains under control on the field? I guess he shouldn't have been waving his arms trying to get the fans into it either.

I would rather a player be upset when team is losing than sitting on the bench not engaged or laughing about something else entirely.
Could be A LOT worse..  
Vin R : 9/25/2016 5:13 pm : link
RE: Who cares if he shows emotion on the sidelines as long as he  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/25/2016 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13141553 steve in ky said:
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remains under control on the field? I guess he shouldn't have been waving his arms trying to get the fans into it either.



Exactly. When it came to on the field composure, he was probably better than his other 52 teammates. Too bad FOX was more concerned with what he was doing on the sideline than lighting Will Tye's dumb ass on fire.
He was basically doing the same thing as me.  
Bchurch : 9/25/2016 5:15 pm : link
I can't blame him for showing emotion. This team is tough to watch.
In these 2 games vs Norman where  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/25/2016 5:24 pm : link
He's "lost it" mentally during the game... He has dominated the 4th quarters.

He made huge plays to help us win. Great player but he really does need to relax a bit at time and concentrate his fire in a different way.
RE: Beckham is a jackass  
Les in TO : 9/25/2016 5:27 pm : link
In comment 13141494 Go Terps said:
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go twerp is a useless poster
Losing our entire secondary was the problem  
bradshaw44 : 9/25/2016 5:36 pm : link
Spags can't coach non stars
And why did they do this?  
Doomster : 9/25/2016 5:36 pm : link
Beckham in the postgame
Steve in South Jersey : 4:59 pm : link : reply
said they came to him before the game and told him if he did anything he would be ejected. It sounds like the NFL has a zero tolerance policy with Beckham.


Maybe because of the stupid move that cost him 36K the week before, and last year's fiasco...
RE: Beckham is a jackass  
j_rud : 9/25/2016 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13141494 Go Terps said:
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You think Beckham is a jackass? Try listening to your nonsense week in and week out. Your schtick is more played out than the latest Adele single. The only thing more tired is your "it's SO tough being the smartest guy in the room" act. You're relative football IQ prevents you from being a troll in the same manner of an area junc/EliteMobster but good Christ man, it's tired. Dude could pull your family from a burning building and you'd still shit all over him. I used to say "you're smarter than this" but it's really beginning to beg the question. You act like dude dicked down your wife. That's how dumb it's getting.
Giants fans that hate OBJ because he shows passion  
BestFeature : 9/25/2016 5:49 pm : link
Need to stop being fans. Absolutely idiocy. Best player on the Giants and top 10 in the league.
RE: Beckham is a jackass  
DinDC : 9/25/2016 5:50 pm : link
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Oh look, Terps hates an emotional player. Shock(ey) lol
I don't mind the passion  
chris r : 9/25/2016 5:50 pm : link
but to be fair, tons dis Dez for the same shit.
The standard for good behavior can't just be  
BlackLight : 9/25/2016 5:55 pm : link
whether or not the guy draws on-field penalties. These sideline meltdowns are stupid nonsense. Plenty of guys in the league want to win just as bad, but don't throw tantrums if things aren't going well.
OBJ composed himself on the field..  
EricJ : 9/25/2016 5:59 pm : link
my only concern was the potential for excessive celebration after a couple of catches. No big deal.

His little melt down on the sidelines... at least it was on the sidelines.

BTW, I think his melt down had a lot to do with what we are talking about here. He probably wanted to know why the fuck we were throwing to a third string TE at a crucial point in the game when two other guys were open including him.
Beckham  
Marty866b : 9/25/2016 6:00 pm : link
Obviously has some issues but he is AWESOME!!! What a player. I don't know why the Giants didn't even look his way in the last possession? I would have thrown it to him every down until Wash. stopped it. He plays on an entirely different level then everyone else. We targeted Beckham eleven times today. It should have been 20.
RE: Beckham in the postgame  
giants#1 : 9/25/2016 6:00 pm : link
In comment 13141518 Steve in South Jersey said:
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said they came to him before the game and told him if he did anything he would be ejected. It sounds like the NFL has a zero tolerance policy with Beckham.


By that standard Norman should've been tossed in the 2nd possession after hitting Beckham sweaty from the ball on s ruining play. Of coder he somehow didn't even draw a flag...
No idea why Eli didnt throw the rock at  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2016 6:02 pm : link
him more.
RE: The standard for good behavior can't just be  
steve in ky : 9/25/2016 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13141732 BlackLight said:
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whether or not the guy draws on-field penalties. These sideline meltdowns are stupid nonsense. Plenty of guys in the league want to win just as bad, but don't throw tantrums if things aren't going well.


I agree it's a title mature but the thing is that is who he is.

What I don't want is to see pressure put on him to squash his personality. IMO he seems to need the adrenaline and emotions to bring out the best in him. Some people are like that. Hopefully with time he matures to where he can better internalize that and still achieve the same results.

But as long as he can maintain control of himself on the field and doesn't hurt the team who really cares?
No idea why Eli didnt throw the rock at  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/25/2016 6:02 pm : link
him more.
Beckham is a great player  
Sec 103 : 9/25/2016 6:05 pm : link
should have been show cased more...
But, he is a loose canon. And needs to cool his jets more or he could be a Jest soon... Shockey II, I hope not...
I'll take Beckham's passion  
B in ALB : 9/25/2016 6:11 pm : link
and emotion and world talent any day of the week. Until he starts throwing teammates under the bus I love the guy.

Anyone who has played a sport at a high level recognizes this level of passion and commitment. No problem with him at all other than the dumb pick penalty.
RE: Beckham is a great player  
steve in ky : 9/25/2016 6:13 pm : link
In comment 13141761 Sec 103 said:
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should have been show cased more...
But, he is a loose canon. And needs to cool his jets more or he could be a Jest soon... Shockey II, I hope not...


I think he is the antithesis of Shockey.

Shockey was all about himself and constantly lost his cool if he felt a pass should have been thrown his way and wasn't. Shockey was talented but played dumb.

Odell is all about winning and shows emotion because he wants the team to win and for him to be at his best.

Odell is all about team where Shockey was more about himself.
To Me the Game Plan Sucked  
Bluesbreaker : 9/25/2016 6:22 pm : link
There were about 4 times I noticed guys open including
2x OBJ Cruz and Donell .
Eli was not sharp today he still puts up numbers and
Tye blew what would have been a TD .. We rag on Donell
but half the time he is attempting to block because
out O-line needs help on almost any play .
Its gonna continue to be inconsistent all year long .
Eli is gonna have a few off games win some lose some
but the play calling was questionable as is the run game
it always seems like the defense is tipped off when we do run
They dare us to run and cheat over the top .hence the
lack of big plays because no onne buys the play action.
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NFL4SanAntonio : 9/25/2016 6:50 pm : link
that move is absurd  
chris r : 9/25/2016 6:52 pm : link
Beckham is damn well coordinated.
He's a great player  
KWALL2 : 9/25/2016 6:57 pm : link
AND a jackass. You can put up with it all day if he plays at this level.
j-rud  
KWALL2 : 9/25/2016 7:03 pm : link
Are you serious with that BS you just posted?

Beckham is a jackass. He's great so his act is ok with you right now. But a fan of the team not liking it is a problem with you? That's funny. Plenty of guys have issues with Beckham acting like an asshole. If he was on another team he's be a Dez Bryant type for you.

Nobody on the sidelines was getting "FIRED UP" because he screams. Nobody. It does nothing for the team.
STFU  
slickwilly : 9/25/2016 7:15 pm : link
Terps. So sick of your self righteous, holier than though bullshit.
RE: STFU  
Go Terps : 9/25/2016 7:23 pm : link
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Terps. So sick of your self righteous, holier than though bullshit.


Struck a nerve, apparently. Some people can't accept that one of our players could be a clown.
RE: The standard for good behavior can't just be  
BestFeature : 9/25/2016 7:25 pm : link
In comment 13141732 BlackLight said:
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whether or not the guy draws on-field penalties. These sideline meltdowns are stupid nonsense. Plenty of guys in the league want to win just as bad, but don't throw tantrums if things aren't going well.


Who gives a shit? Like seriously what difference does it make? It didn't affect his play on the field. He had 121 yards. Are you upset that he's not some role model or something? Get off your high horse.
Another key drop  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:28 pm : link
and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.
RE: Another key drop  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/25/2016 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13141965 dep026 said:
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.


You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.
RE: Another key drop  
chris r : 9/25/2016 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13141965 dep026 said:
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.


Come on. He's a great player. TO had tons of drops and nobody disputes his greatness.
Beckham is a jackass because he cares about winning?  
BestFeature : 9/25/2016 7:32 pm : link
Give me a whole team full of jackasses. If he plays well, who cares? Seriously it hurt no one. You people that are self righteous over a player showing emotion are ridiculous.
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dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:32 pm : link
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.



Come on. He's a great player. TO had tons of drops and nobody disputes his greatness.


He is a great player. But its becoming problemsome with the mistakes he makes as well.
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dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:33 pm : link
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.



You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.


No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.
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chris r : 9/25/2016 7:34 pm : link
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.



You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.



No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.


Yes you are. OBJ is indisputably a great player. He's also really young.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/25/2016 7:36 pm : link
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.



You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.



No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.


And they immediately got a first down on the next play. Is that penalty why Eli's final pass got picked off? And your point about great players is nonsense. I'm sure you think Antonio Brown is great and he did absolutely nothing with Norman covering him, including getting a pass knocked away from him.
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dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:37 pm : link
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.



You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.



No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.



Yes you are. OBJ is indisputably a great player. He's also really young.


No, he really did have a drop at the 10 yard line and a penalty, where is the reaching?
the claim that he's not great because he still makes mistakes  
chris r : 9/25/2016 7:38 pm : link
as a 23 year old is a reach. He's had the best start to his career of any receiver in football history.

His greatness is indisputable. You're confusing greatness with perfection.
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dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:39 pm : link
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and a big penalty as well. Great players dont make as many mistakes as he does.



You're reaching or trolling. Norman practically shut down Antonio Brown and Dez Bryant when he faced them the first 2 weeks. Odell whipped his ass with Norman getting a ton of safety help. If the fact that he wasn't perfect makes him not a great player, then there must be no great players.



No, really he had a big drop on the FG trip and a penalty on the last drive. No reaching whatsoever.



And they immediately got a first down on the next play. Is that penalty why Eli's final pass got picked off? And your point about great players is nonsense. I'm sure you think Antonio Brown is great and he did absolutely nothing with Norman covering him, including getting a pass knocked away from him.


I can point out all the times in the last 2 years where he was given a chance to make a play late in the game and he failed to make one, like dropping TD passes, but I am sure I would be reaching.

And Norman guarded Dez and Brown for about 10% of the game, no relevance whatsoever.
RE: the claim that he's not great because he still makes mistakes  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:41 pm : link
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as a 23 year old is a reach. He's had the best start to his career of any receiver in football history.

His greatness is indisputable. You're confusing greatness with perfection.


I am not confusing anything. He's our best player. And he is making mistakes that contribute to losses. People here slam Eli all the time (today, justifyably so) - He was part of the reason why we lost today too.
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chris r : 9/25/2016 7:43 pm : link
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as a 23 year old is a reach. He's had the best start to his career of any receiver in football history.

His greatness is indisputable. You're confusing greatness with perfection.



I am not confusing anything. He's our best player. And he is making mistakes that contribute to losses. People here slam Eli all the time (today, justifyably so) - He was part of the reason why we lost today too.


Don't change the goalposts. You said he's not a great player. He is.
If you think Odell was part of the reason they lost,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/25/2016 7:44 pm : link
then I definitely think you're just trolling. He was consistently open against the highest paid corner in the sport, who was getting safety help most of the game.
RE: If you think Odell was part of the reason they lost,  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:46 pm : link
In comment 13142020 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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then I definitely think you're just trolling. He was consistently open against the highest paid corner in the sport, who was getting safety help most of the game.


Any mistakes that contribute to a loss means you contribute to a loss. Maybe if he catches the first down pass, they score a TD and win. Maybe if he doesnt get a penalty the sequence of plays change on the last drive.
RE: He's a great player  
Chris in Philly : 9/25/2016 7:51 pm : link
In comment 13141883 KWALL2 said:
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AND a jackass. You can put up with it all day if he plays at this level.


This is the right take. He can clearly be a major jackass. But he's also a great player.

If he was on another team everybody here would hate him. And if you deny that you're a liar.
RE: RE: He's a great player  
Go Terps : 9/25/2016 7:52 pm : link
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AND a jackass. You can put up with it all day if he plays at this level.



This is the right take. He can clearly be a major jackass. But he's also a great player.

If he was on another team everybody here would hate him. And if you deny that you're a liar.


Yup.
RE: RE: If you think Odell was part of the reason they lost,  
EricJ : 9/25/2016 7:53 pm : link
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then I definitely think you're just trolling. He was consistently open against the highest paid corner in the sport, who was getting safety help most of the game.



Any mistakes that contribute to a loss means you contribute to a loss. Maybe if he catches the first down pass, they score a TD and win. Maybe if he doesnt get a penalty the sequence of plays change on the last drive.


Dep, I agree with you for the most part. A player can have 5 spectacular plays which do not amount to a hill of beans if that same player makes the mistake that ends the game for the team. However, I would be careful about your original statement which "implied" that because he makes mistakes then he is not great. We could say the same thing about other players on this team who we also like to think are/were great. LT made mistakes. Gifford fumbled in the championship game. Every QB we ever had made lots of mistakes, etc etc
TERRIBLE game plan on offense  
GloryDayz : 9/25/2016 7:56 pm : link
Not getting OBJ involved early was DUMB!!! I dont care who's covering him, or how, he's the best player on the field. You find a way to get him going EARLY.

How does Cruz end up with only 3 catches in a game where the Skins lose Breeland & Hall early, and OBJ getting most of the defense's attention (best CB with help from the safety). If you're not going to throw it OBJ's way because of all the attention he's getting from the defense, then you better take advantage of the single coverage Cruz & Shepard had. Under the circumstances, even Shepard's 5 receptions werent enough.

You have one of the best trios of WRs in the league, & you go to Rainey & Tye in the red zone?!!
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dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:57 pm : link
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then I definitely think you're just trolling. He was consistently open against the highest paid corner in the sport, who was getting safety help most of the game.



Any mistakes that contribute to a loss means you contribute to a loss. Maybe if he catches the first down pass, they score a TD and win. Maybe if he doesnt get a penalty the sequence of plays change on the last drive.



Dep, I agree with you for the most part. A player can have 5 spectacular plays which do not amount to a hill of beans if that same player makes the mistake that ends the game for the team. However, I would be careful about your original statement which "implied" that because he makes mistakes then he is not great. We could say the same thing about other players on this team who we also like to think are/were great. LT made mistakes. Gifford fumbled in the championship game. Every QB we ever had made lots of mistakes, etc etc


Every mistake is magnified. Eli had over 300 yards and 0 INTs at point, and threw one shitty ball and Tye's putrid effort made it 2 total. Before that he was moving the ball at will. Guess what I will remember? The INT at the end of the game.
Of course we would hate him on another team..  
arcarsenal : 9/25/2016 8:01 pm : link
Why is that some crazy "revelation" that people try to bring up as if it makes us hypocrites for defending him? This is what sports fandom is.

The loss today had nothing to do with him. He ratcheted it up when we needed him to late in the game and he made a bunch of plays. We couldn't stop shooting ourselves in the fucking foot with the terrible penalties and turnovers in crucial spots. Eli was lucky he didn't get picked 4 times today.

This team has to stop getting in its own way.. this is too reminiscent of shit we've seen in the past.
We have a receiver who is setting NFL records less than 2 seasons into  
jgambrosio : 9/25/2016 8:02 pm : link
his career (30 games since he missed the start of his rookie year) and wants to win more than 99% of the NFL, and we still have people complaining about him.

Only on BBI.
Odell is  
Les in TO : 9/25/2016 8:04 pm : link
Not in the top 10 reasons the Giants lost today.
RE: Odell is  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 8:04 pm : link
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Not in the top 10 reasons the Giants lost today.


But he contributed to the loss with two crucial plays. To suggest otherwise is defending him like some do with Eli ;)
Without Odell,  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/25/2016 8:05 pm : link
this team is alot less talented and the offense is completely different; and not in a good way.

Like I said in the postgame thread; doesn't matter who the coaches are or who the players are. Every single year without fail; too many turnovers and too many penalties.
Beckham is a hot head  
Ned In Atlanta : 9/25/2016 8:10 pm : link
Also the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the league. You have a scorned lover like complex with professional athletes (Plax) which is just odd. Should the Giants cut beckham and put Harris in for him?
RE: Beckham  
djm : 9/25/2016 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13141745 Marty866b said:
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Obviously has some issues but he is AWESOME!!! What a player. I don't know why the Giants didn't even look his way in the last possession? I would have thrown it to him every down until Wash. stopped it. He plays on an entirely different level then everyone else. We targeted Beckham eleven times today. It should have been 20.


This this and more this.

Belichick and Tomlin get it. Fuck balance.
Keep patting yourself on the back guys  
slickwilly : 9/25/2016 8:15 pm : link
You guys are clearly the "true" fans. SMH. I've come to hate this sight and not because of the supposed trolls.
RE: Beckham is a hot head  
Go Terps : 9/25/2016 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13142112 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Also the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the league. You have a scorned lover like complex with professional athletes (Plax) which is just odd. Should the Giants cut beckham and put Harris in for him?


I've never said anything negative about Beckham's ability. He's obviously an incredible talent. He's also a jerk. I don't really care about that as long as it doesn't negatively impact the team.

It hasn't yet, but it doesn't take a leap of imagination to see a scenario where it becomes a problem. If he's going to be a crybaby when he doesn't get the ball that could be an issue. Hopefully that doesn't happen.
RE: RE: Odell is  
Les in TO : 9/25/2016 8:21 pm : link
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Not in the top 10 reasons the Giants lost today.



But he contributed to the loss with two crucial plays. To suggest otherwise is defending him like some do with Eli ;)
he definitely is still a work in progress and needs to take care of every detail. It kills me when he doesn't make the routine plays because he is so god damned talented.
Dep  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/25/2016 8:28 pm : link
I think you're a smart sports fan and enjoy reading your posts so don't think this following post harshly, but yes you're definitely reaching on this thread. To say he made two crucial mistakes is crazy. He had one drop that was a good play by Norman and that wasn't some major gamechanging play. And that pick play he made is a shady play by design that he didn't time right, not some unexplainable bonehead penalty.

He made enormous plays in the 4th, making nothing out of something a bunch of times. He was our best player in the 4th quarter hands down. He got the better of Norman despite Norman having safety help.

I love Eli but he was one of the main reasons we lost this game with his mediocre play. Sorry but Your shitting on Beckham and creating a "total team loss" thread is just annoying because it's clear what your agenda is. Eli missed a lot of passes in this one. So far he's had one very good game and two below average ones.
RE: RE: Beckham is a hot head  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/25/2016 8:32 pm : link
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Also the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the league. You have a scorned lover like complex with professional athletes (Plax) which is just odd. Should the Giants cut beckham and put Harris in for him?



I've never said anything negative about Beckham's ability. He's obviously an incredible talent. He's also a jerk. I don't really care about that as long as it doesn't negatively impact the team.

It hasn't yet, but it doesn't take a leap of imagination to see a scenario where it becomes a problem. If he's going to be a crybaby when he doesn't get the ball that could be an issue. Hopefully that doesn't happen.


Terps, let me get this straight. You don't really care about Beckham being a jerk as long as he produces... Yet your first comment on this thread was calling him a "jackass" and saying nothing else?

Clearly, you care.
I have no idea  
Rick5 : 9/25/2016 8:32 pm : link
what type of person OBJ is and frankly couldn't care less. I am not planning on having him over my house for coffee and doughnuts. I am interested in watching him catch passes for the Giants (which is something he does remarkably well).
RE: Dep  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13142183 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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I think you're a smart sports fan and enjoy reading your posts so don't think this following post harshly, but yes you're definitely reaching on this thread. To say he made two crucial mistakes is crazy. He had one drop that was a good play by Norman and that wasn't some major gamechanging play. And that pick play he made is a shady play by design that he didn't time right, not some unexplainable bonehead penalty.

He made enormous plays in the 4th, making nothing out of something a bunch of times. He was our best player in the 4th quarter hands down. He got the better of Norman despite Norman having safety help.

I love Eli but he was one of the main reasons we lost this game with his mediocre play. Sorry but Your shitting on Beckham and creating a "total team loss" thread is just annoying because it's clear what your agenda is. Eli missed a lot of passes in this one. So far he's had one very good game and two below average ones.


I believe Eli was number 1 on that thread and said his two throws were inexcusable. I dont know what you mean by agenda, but go for it. Maybe the agenda is absolving Beckham from blame on your part? His drop was absolutely enormous. It would have given us 1st and goal from the 10, and if we score a TD it forces Washington to score a TD. And his penalty not only was a ten yard penalty but negated a 12 yard pass play. So yes his mistakes, like his massive drop last week, have to be considered.

He had a big 4th quarter, no doubt. But he also made mistakes. Denying he didnt make a mistake is the agenda. And if we are crediting Norman with a good play on the drop, then should we acknowledge a 1 handed INT and a diving INT as good plays as well and absolve Eli? Of course not, thats silly.
Eli's one handed pick was like  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/25/2016 8:40 pm : link
The 5th worst pass he threw in this game. And Eli is a tough mofo but it's not just the INTs, it's the fumbles. Odell made a bad play, but you pinpointing out one or two bad plays is a little over the top.

You grade Odell on the "top 3 WR" curve but you don't do the same for Eli and QBs.

Turnovers have been the #1 problem with the team this year and Eli's not the only guy at fault but he's being careless with the ball again this year like he's always been.

Love Eli. Thought we was brilliant vs the Saints, but this L falls mainly on his shoulders. Not completely, this team did have a dozen costly penalties. But this is a game where Kirk fucking Cousins outplayed Eli Manning and kept the Redskins alive.

Odell was amazing with the game on the line and all the attention he's received has opened things up for the rest of the receivers. No one plays a perfect game.
Placing blame on fumbles  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 8:43 pm : link
just strictly on the QB is weak due to the fact on both occasions the OL gave him no prayer. You have to trust your OL to at least hold a block for more than a second. The John Jerry one was a joke and lucky Eli wasnt seriously injured.
RE: Placing blame on fumbles  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/25/2016 8:44 pm : link
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just strictly on the QB is weak due to the fact on both occasions the OL gave him no prayer. You have to trust your OL to at least hold a block for more than a second. The John Jerry one was a joke and lucky Eli wasnt seriously injured.


Eli fumbles a shit ton for a guy who doesn't get sacked/run often. This isn't based on one game. Eli puts it on the ground.
RE: RE: Placing blame on fumbles  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 8:46 pm : link
In comment 13142245 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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just strictly on the QB is weak due to the fact on both occasions the OL gave him no prayer. You have to trust your OL to at least hold a block for more than a second. The John Jerry one was a joke and lucky Eli wasnt seriously injured.



Eli fumbles a shit ton for a guy who doesn't get sacked/run often. This isn't based on one game. Eli puts it on the ground.


And OBJ has a knack for dropping balls late in games. This isnt based off today or even last week. He did it last year too.
My point was  
est1986 : 9/25/2016 8:53 pm : link
Beckham should have been targeted more particulary early on. He got maybe four or 5 targets in the first three quarters. Inexcusable in a game where the game plan should have been let Odell torch Norman.. the Skins announced earlier this week he would be shadowing, and he did. He clearly is not a match for Odell. Giants played like they were not confident that Odell would out play Norman and he beat Norman consistently. They didn't get OBJ involved much at all until the 4th and he made some crazy plays but too little too late. I like the fire Odell plays with as long as it's not resulting in dirty plays which it didn't and as long as hes not arguing with teammates which he didn't. That fire seems to help him play at a higher level IMO.
The practice net that took out Beckham  
ghost718 : 9/25/2016 9:16 pm : link
is a keeper

Josh Brown might not miss a kick the rest of the season.
RE: RE: RE: Beckham is a hot head  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/27/2016 1:20 am : link
In comment 13142200 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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Also the 2nd or 3rd best receiver in the league. You have a scorned lover like complex with professional athletes (Plax) which is just odd. Should the Giants cut beckham and put Harris in for him?



I've never said anything negative about Beckham's ability. He's obviously an incredible talent. He's also a jerk. I don't really care about that as long as it doesn't negatively impact the team.

It hasn't yet, but it doesn't take a leap of imagination to see a scenario where it becomes a problem. If he's going to be a crybaby when he doesn't get the ball that could be an issue. Hopefully that doesn't happen.



Terps, let me get this straight. You don't really care about Beckham being a jerk as long as he produces... Yet your first comment on this thread was calling him a "jackass" and saying nothing else?

Clearly, you care.


There aren't 10 posters I like to read more than you. But you're damn right I'm calling you out right now.
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