It kills me to say this because I'm the biggest Eli homer around (besides Dep), but the consistency is there across the board, whether there is a new coaching staff or different roster. The one common denominator is Eli Manning.
Before you go off on me, let me explain. His best attributes are what kills the team:
1. He is smart, but outsmarts himself. It goes back to his quote (not verbatim): play to keep it close for 3 quarters to give us a chance to win in the 4th. I don't know where he got this philosophy, and I've always held belief that this was a Coughlin thing, but 3 games in, I'm not so sure. There is no way of knowing for sure what is called, but it seems to me that a lot of calls are checked into run plays based on what Eli sees. Okay, fine. But I think that also goes against what we should be doing in attacking the defense's weakness. It is way too reactive. Instead of killer instinct, he values ball control and time of possession, which is why we hardly ever blow anybody out of the water. "Keep it close and win it in the 4th". This may be why, in the 4th quarter, Eli "unleashes" himself and seems to turn it up a level or two. Today, specifically, we could've ate Washington's lunch in the air all afternoon, but continued to run the ball, albeit somewhat effectively at times, but still - you do what you do best. And what we do best is slicing and dicing the secondary with OBJ, Shepard and Cruz. We need killer instinct.
2. Eli trusts his teammates - too much. He has even stated in the past that he throws it up (on 50/50s) to give his receiver a chance to catch the ball. But the problem is, he continues to throw the ball to players that constantly fuck him over. Rueben Randle would be a great example of this. Preston Parker. Donnell. Today, Tye. Now, it's the coaching staff's job to put people out there on the field that are reliable, so they are definitely to blame, but Eli keeps rewarding these players for consistently fucking up. I just don't get it. There used to be a time where a QB would not throw to someone for constant fuckups. Maybe a prick like Brady, or even Peyton, would do that and even call them out in the locker room, but Eli is just too nice of a guy and puts too much trust in his guys. I don't know if he talks to his coaching staff about it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. Eli just wants to hit the open guy, and I get that, but if it's 50/50, don't throw it his way!
Sure, he makes his reads, goes through his progression and sees a favorable matchup, but sometimes you have to send a message: Fuck me over and you won't see another pass from me. C'mon, Eli! I bELIeve!
Do you ever vent on the team instead of other posters?
Why vent on a bunch of guys giving their all to try and win versus a bunch of fucking morons who are upset that their team lost?
The absolute stupidity is what I'm venting at. Is there something I'm supposed to say against the team that will give us a win? At least if enough shit is given to brain-dead fucks, I have a better chance of changing something.
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this place sucks after a loss.
Do you ever vent on the team instead of other posters?
The Giants usually try their best...posters on the other hand often say the damnedest things as soon as a neuron fires. I don't vent but I do find it hard not to shake my head at some of the things posted after a loss, or even sometimes a win.
Game Plan ? get up early go conservative .
Run on 1st down no matter what ?
Hope Eli pulls it out on the last drive ..
Should have never come to that I mean you can point at turnovers penalties poor officiating ect ...
There is no excuse for not winning today ...
The Special teams were an absolute abortion ...
The jump ball hit the RB in his hands for what should have been an easy TD. Damn you Eli!
For fucks sake....
By the way, I couldn't care less what the BBI Bullies have to say while hiding behind their screens.
+100
We should draft a guy from North Dakota Tech like Philly then.
Yeah OK.
He probably has his best game of the year against the Vikings.
By the way, I couldn't care less what the BBI Bullies have to say while hiding behind their screens.
I have had the same feeling since the game ended, it's more of the same ....too many errors. And they don't have the deep passing threat to cover for it anymore it seems... I don't mean Odell, I mean give Eli the ball in 4th quarter and he would hit huge passes and take the team down and score.
Now it's all well we had a penalty or an INT or a fumble or a ...
It's all the same thing, the offense is a mess. Rich burg is thrown out of game in a division game at home ? I mean seriously ?
It's a shit show.
He fucked up yesterday. It happens.
Do you people even think about shit before you type it?
"Say what you will about Eli Manning, but ..."
Really Joe? JFC. lol So transparent.
The fucking proof is on the field, shit-for-brains. The constant fuckups and mental lapses. Teams with strong leadership and positive culture do not consistently shit the bed like we've been doing for the last 4 years.
Excellent showing in the last 24 hours starting not one, but two ridiculous threads saying eli is the problem.
It was better when all of your ridiculous comments stayed on the fucking game thread.
Yeah, that's our strategy...to keep it close and turn the ball over... you nailed it...smh
You're confusing culture with philosophy...
Does the QB want to go for the throat? I doubt it. The priority is ball control and time of possession, not blowing teams out.
But then again - I don't really think you give a fuck.
Excellent showing in the last 24 hours starting not one, but two ridiculous threads saying eli is the problem.
It was better when all of your ridiculous comments stayed on the fucking game thread.
Get a clue, my other thread was about McAdoo. Quit being obsessed with me.
But then again - I don't really think you give a fuck.
But yet, you obviously do give a fuck or you wouldn't respond. Let's be an adult today, Fat Man, and not say anything if you can't say anything nice. Can you give it a try, son?
Very mature.
I also like the part where you actually are seriously saying eli doesn't want to put teams away.
Why don't you try more theories on what's going on in the clubhouse, Ace?
I think fans that are so ready to move on past Eli are either to young or have to short a memory to truly appreciate what it was like pre-Eli.
Seriously, why would any reasonable, halfway smart poster try to respond to dogshit posts like this? It's embarrassing. I can't even stand to visit the site after losses.
Yeah, Eli doesn't want to score points. JFC. I give up.
I say this all the time.. there is a portion of Giants fans which is much larger than it should be who are not going to truly appreciate Eli until he's gone.
Nobody in this thread said Eli must go. As far as I'm concerned, Eli can be my QB until he's 50. It doesn't mean he's above criticism.
Take your bullshit to the real anti-Eli threads. Those motherfuckers are crazy.
Very mature.
I also like the part where you actually are seriously saying eli doesn't want to put teams away.
Why don't you try more theories on what's going on in the clubhouse, Ace?
Yet, you continue to respond. We're not very good at this adult-ing thing now, are we? Move along, go play with the other kids.
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this place sucks after a loss.
Do you ever vent on the team instead of other posters?
I would bet that over 80% of your posts are in the form of snarky, swarmy questions.
Can we just meet up so I can punch you in the face while you ask me if Im still in high school?
That said, basically, for the 3rd week straight, we had the chance to put our boot heel on the larynx of the oppponent and let them back into the game. The real problem here is coaching. Mac needs to have a better grip on his team. I also think he needs to give up on the run a lot quicker and set that up with the pass.
I think we are still a very good team who has left a ridiculous amount of plays on the field and given opponents every right to get back in the game.