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Today was an example of a total team loss

dep026 : 9/25/2016 7:55 pm
There is not a single person who didnt contribute to to this loss. I think this is one of the shittiest losses I have ever seen because it took everyone to screw up to lose. Offense, defense, special teams, coaching.... you name it, they all had a hand in it.

QB - Eli had 2 disgusting throws. One was a dropped INT and obviously the last one. His first INT I will get to in a second. However, he cannot make that throw to end the game, just inexcusable.

RB - Well lets see. Vereen fumble, Rainey dropped INT, Perkins ST penalty. The running wasnt bad in itself however too many mistakes.

WR - small problems, but problems nonetheless. Shephard had a big drop. OBJ had another big drop and a penalty at the end of the game. Cruz was pretty good, probably didnt get the ball enough.

TE - another pathetic effort. Donnell non-existant once again when it should have been a field day for him with the defense Washington was playing. Tye.... I am sorry. But he should be demoted immediately. Horrific blocking and his effort on the first INT is not worthy of being put on the field. He has a huge mismatch size wise.... and he jogs, stops running his route and gets pushed around for an INT. Thats pathetic.

OL - Richburg - absolutely embarrassing. Thats not what leaders do. Hart and Jerry got beat for sacks. Flowers with 2 more penalties.

DE - JPP and OV with sacks, but were not factors enough. KC had all day to throw and OV was going up against a backup. JH and DH were quiet.

LBs - bit on a ton of play actions and the middle of the field was wide open all day.

DB's - Made the Skins WRs look like Gary Clark, Art Monk, and Rickey Sanders. DRC with a rough game plus him and Apple both hurt. Wade looked lost.

McAdoo - Absolutely LOATHED his timeout after Cruz's last catch. They pick up a huge first down with over 1:00 left and the 40, there was no need for a TO. Skins regroup and get the INT to end the game. Also, our red zone offense is pathetic once again. Not enough TDs, turnovers, and the struggle continue.

Total team loss and if a few more units would have stepped up, it should have been an easy win.
McAdoo  
BleedBlue : 9/25/2016 7:59 pm : link
did ALOT wrong but that TO wasnt wrong. its an okay timeout. it didnt allow washington to "regroup" and get an INT or change scheme and get an INT. the INT was on eli plain and simple. I actually liked the timeout at around 1:06. to me it would have been a mistake to a. let time leak off the clock b. have the team rush up to LOS to run a play
I liked the timeout, the rest of your assessment is 100% accurate. i would also add special teams play being awful
Was there anything  
shelovesnycsports : 9/25/2016 8:00 pm : link
Positive today?
I told my son that I didn't like that time out when they called it  
steve in ky : 9/25/2016 8:01 pm : link
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Couldn't believe the penalty (explanation) ....  
short lease : 9/25/2016 8:01 pm : link
on Richburg. The talking heads were saying the hit was clean .... he was called on what he said (taunting?)? REALLY ??? .... just shut up.
RE: McAdoo  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13142067 BleedBlue said:
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did ALOT wrong but that TO wasnt wrong. its an okay timeout. it didnt allow washington to "regroup" and get an INT or change scheme and get an INT. the INT was on eli plain and simple. I actually liked the timeout at around 1:06. to me it would have been a mistake to a. let time leak off the clock b. have the team rush up to LOS to run a play
I liked the timeout, the rest of your assessment is 100% accurate. i would also add special teams play being awful


I hate TOs after big plays unless they are necessary. That one wasnt.
We all need to calm down  
SirYesSir : 9/25/2016 8:02 pm : link
It's a horrible missed opportunity to put washington in a hole, but even with all those mistakes and bad breaks we were still extremely close to coming away with a big win.

We can list the dumb mistakes, but that's not new for this team. They kept competing and trying to come back, and almost did. that's a positive sign

The big question coming out of this game will be how McAdoo handles the mental mistakes. Will a clear message be sent to Richburg, Adams, and others who lost their cool? It's Ben's first chance to deal with some adversity and try to build from it, so let's see how he does
RE: Couldn't believe the penalty (explanation) ....  
BleedBlue : 9/25/2016 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13142073 short lease said:
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on Richburg. The talking heads were saying the hit was clean .... he was called on what he said (taunting?)? REALLY ??? .... just shut up.


The richburg penalty cannot be downplayed. it was HUGE. we would have had the ball on the 5 instead we were back at the 20...HUGE DIFFERENCE. could have really changed the game
Especially agree on the TE play  
bigbluehoya : 9/25/2016 8:02 pm : link
I could live with my tight ends playing like they have cinder blocks attached to their feet if they can block, but these guys have no redeeming qualities. Donnell also happens to be a massive liability with ball security. Really awful to watch
11 penalties  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 8:03 pm : link
with a few more offset and declined. 5 personal foul penalties. 4-5 fumbles with losing 1. One player ejected.

I also forgot STs...

Brown kicking the ball out of bounds. Horrendous.
Wing had 2 bad punts
The fake punt was a game changer as well.
RE: 11 penalties  
TexasGmenFan : 9/25/2016 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13142088 dep026 said:
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with a few more offset and declined. 5 personal foul penalties. 4-5 fumbles with losing 1. One player ejected.

I also forgot STs...

Brown kicking the ball out of bounds. Horrendous.
Wing had 2 bad punts
The fake punt was a game changer as well.


ironically, the worst penalty we had doesn't even go into the records since it was offset.

that personal foul on the blocked punt is probably the one play that really pisses me off more than any right now
Agree with you dep.  
section125 : 9/25/2016 8:07 pm : link
Not really too concerned with the sacks. It happens. Jerry got really confused - not sure what happened there. Hart's sack, he pushed the guy deep and I think down and then let him get away. Ball really should have been out. Other than that, I thought the left side gave up more pressure.

I thought Hart and Jerry did a very good job run blocking.

WRs were pretty good, despite a couple drops.

TEs - blechhhh.

Defense - they never got out of the locker room.

Richburg, Vernon, and Adams - pretty doggone stupid, no very stupid.
RE: We all need to calm down  
short lease : 9/25/2016 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13142078 SirYesSir said:
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It's a horrible missed opportunity to put washington in a hole, but even with all those mistakes and bad breaks we were still extremely close to coming away with a big win.

We can list the dumb mistakes, but that's not new for this team. They kept competing and trying to come back, and almost did. that's a positive sign

The big question coming out of this game will be how McAdoo handles the mental mistakes. Will a clear message be sent to Richburg, Adams, and others who lost their cool? It's Ben's first chance to deal with some adversity and try to build from it, so let's see how he does


You are 100% right and I don't mind losing (even to a division rivalry - it is going to happen). But, the stupid mistakes bother me ... even when we win. When your team wins though you tend to dwell on it less and not as intense.

But, you are right.
The flag on Richburg was utter, total bullshit  
Greg from LI : 9/25/2016 8:08 pm : link
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Specifically on your last point,  
old man : 9/25/2016 8:08 pm : link
I agree. They were 'feeling it' and getting momentum. I felt it could have waited, thus saving the timeout to the last 30 or so yards or if they started having trouble.
Then the pass, ugh.
This was a complete team failure  
Reb8thVA : 9/25/2016 8:10 pm : link
The offense shit the bed as well as the defense. I also think the coaching staff was equally culpable.

A total team effort. They were firing on all cylinders.
You left off special teams  
oldutican : 9/25/2016 8:10 pm : link
Give up a punt return TD and a fake punt first down. Screw up a blocked punt with a personal foul. No return game. Line drive punts.
RE: You left off special teams  
oldutican : 9/25/2016 8:12 pm : link
In comment 13142111 oldutican said:
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Give up a punt return TD and a fake punt first down. Screw up a blocked punt with a personal foul. No return game. Line drive punts.


My bad. No punt retrun. That was a screen pass for TD.
It was frustrating...  
arcarsenal : 9/25/2016 8:15 pm : link
Because I think if you've been a fan of this team for a reasonable amount of time, you knew deep down inside as the 2nd half wore on that this was exactly how we were going to lose this game. It was one of those games where every time we were in position to take over, you started to just expect the turnover or the terrible penalty. Mistake after mistake after mistake. Just shitty, undisciplined football.

This is the type of game I was hoping to not see anymore or at least not for a while after a coaching change. But this is two weeks in a row now with a lot of really stupid mistakes at inopportune times. Luckily we came away with a W last week.. but we didn't today.

Nothing is more frustrating than knowing the Giants are clearly the best football team on the field and losing the game because they can't get out of their own way.
Thought Snacks played awesome.  
madgiantscow009 : 9/25/2016 8:17 pm : link
OV and JPP looked good also (in my opinion)

agree with the rest though.
TEs don't matter  
jeff57 : 9/25/2016 8:20 pm : link
The Jerry Reese philosophy
Not sure I agree w all of this but hated the timeout...  
John in No Cal : 9/25/2016 8:20 pm : link
As well.
Spags blitz at bad times in this game  
Mason : 9/25/2016 8:23 pm : link
and when only rushed 3 it was for the most part ineffective. His nickel packages also got exposed on screen plays. A DB trying to shed an OL is no contest.
Question about the punt penalty...  
Gmen24 : 9/25/2016 8:28 pm : link
If the Redskins player didnt swat the ball out of bounds would the unnecessary roughness penalty be a dead ball penalty or a replay of down? Does it matter if the ball went out of bounds before the hit took place?
Special teams  
Les in TO : 9/25/2016 8:33 pm : link
Also cost us the game: the crowder return, fake punt and penalty on the blocked punt
RE: Thought Snacks played awesome.  
section125 : 9/25/2016 8:35 pm : link
In comment 13142135 madgiantscow009 said:
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OV and JPP looked good also (in my opinion)

agree with the rest though.


Hankins played a great game.
RE: It was frustrating...  
section125 : 9/25/2016 8:38 pm : link
In comment 13142129 arcarsenal said:
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Because I think if you've been a fan of this team for a reasonable amount of time, you knew deep down inside as the 2nd half wore on that this was exactly how we were going to lose this game.



I disagree. I fully expected to win with 1:51 on the clock and the ball on the 25 yard line in Eli's hand. Felt very good especially after VC caught that big 3rd down pass.
Was waiting to see  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 9/25/2016 8:55 pm : link
Dep absolve Eli of any blame. Then I see him listed as numero uno. Surprised.

Anyway, hard to disagree with much of the OP. Ugly loss.
RE: Was waiting to see  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13142271 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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Dep absolve Eli of any blame. Then I see him listed as numero uno. Surprised.

Anyway, hard to disagree with much of the OP. Ugly loss.


Ive been very fair to him so far this year. I even blamed him for the INT at Dallas when many blamed SS.
I don't understand some of these INTs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/25/2016 8:58 pm : link
Where it looks like he's just throwing on a mental timer and not even seeing the field.
RE: I don't understand some of these INTs  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 9:00 pm : link
In comment 13142287 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Where it looks like he's just throwing on a mental timer and not even seeing the field.


I disagree. The Tye INT was the right read, Tye had a big advantage and did nothing. It was basically a jump ball with a height and weight advantage. The last one was unfortunate. Poor decision and a nice play. He even admit he thought he was far enough behind. If completed it goes for 25-30 yards.
Eli hit 66% for 350 yards  
SHO'NUFF : 9/25/2016 9:04 pm : link
I thought he was fine aside from 3 or 4 throws, including the last INT.
Eli's worst throw was the INT  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 9:05 pm : link
that was dropped inside the Skins 5. No business throwing it and got away with one.
Special Teams  
JohnVB : 9/25/2016 10:25 pm : link
Was the biggest factor. Brown kicks one out of bounds which leads to 3. Punt return leads to 3. Wash had good field position all day long which kept them in the game along with stupid penalties and turnovers.

Giants should've blown them out today. The skins are not close from a talent perspective.
RE: Special Teams  
dep026 : 9/25/2016 10:26 pm : link
In comment 13142471 JohnVB said:
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Was the biggest factor. Brown kicks one out of bounds which leads to 3. Punt return leads to 3. Wash had good field position all day long which kept them in the game along with stupid penalties and turnovers.

Giants should've blown them out today. The skins are not close from a talent perspective.


Dont forget the fake punt.
RE: RE: Special Teams  
JohnVB : 9/25/2016 10:31 pm : link
In comment 13142475 dep026 said:
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In comment 13142471 JohnVB said:


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Was the biggest factor. Brown kicks one out of bounds which leads to 3. Punt return leads to 3. Wash had good field position all day long which kept them in the game along with stupid penalties and turnovers.

Giants should've blown them out today. The skins are not close from a talent perspective.



Dont forget the fake punt.


Yep that's 9. Vereen fumble was a 6 point swing as well.

Rainey shit show in the EZ took away 3.

Giants blew this game plain and simple. Skins are not good at all. Very frustrating.
Relax, guys  
Bill in UT : 9/25/2016 10:45 pm : link
It's only preseason. We'll flip the switch on when the games count, lol. Some good things happened, but so many awful plays just killed it.
OP is right on  
ShockNRoll : 9/25/2016 11:13 pm : link
I said to my dad and brother as we left the stadium the only guys who deserve zero blame in this game are Darkwa, Shepard, Cruz, and OBJ. OBJ did have a drop and the penalty on the Shepard first down, but they were able to pick up a first down after that. Darkwa ran hard and continued to show what we saw in bits and pieces when he got in the game last year. OBJ just took over in the 4th quarter and showed that he should be force-fed the way the Steelers feed Antonio Brown, because there is no one in this league that can keep him down for 4 quarters.

Idiotic penalties, turnovers, piss poor special teams, no pass rush, and getting gashed in the running game late led to their demise today. We will see how resilient this team is next week going into Minnesota. Their defense is looking really tough, but they are not unbeatable by any means. I expect a much cleaner game by the Giants next week. Keep in mind this is still a young team with a rookie head coach.
Tom Quinn should be fired  
JohnVB : 9/25/2016 11:20 pm : link
This guy has been around forever and ST has been below average to poor his entire tenure. '10 was an abomination. I don't think there's a ST unit on any other team that's led to more losses than the Quinn led Giants.
RE: We all need to calm down  
shabu : 9/26/2016 1:31 am : link
In comment 13142078 SirYesSir said:
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It's a horrible missed opportunity to put washington in a hole, but even with all those mistakes and bad breaks we were still extremely close to coming away with a big win.

We can list the dumb mistakes, but that's not new for this team. They kept competing and trying to come back, and almost did. that's a positive sign

The big question coming out of this game will be how McAdoo handles the mental mistakes. Will a clear message be sent to Richburg, Adams, and others who lost their cool? It's Ben's first chance to deal with some adversity and try to build from it, so let's see how he does


You know, the last part of your post bugs me, not because what you said was wrong but because, I am sick of all that. I want to watch a team that plays smart football.

I feel like it's been far too long since we have seen that. Under TC there were errors a plenty yet they had the firepower to make up for it
RE: It was frustrating...  
shabu : 9/26/2016 1:33 am : link
In comment 13142129 arcarsenal said:
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Because I think if you've been a fan of this team for a reasonable amount of time, you knew deep down inside as the 2nd half wore on that this was exactly how we were going to lose this game. It was one of those games where every time we were in position to take over, you started to just expect the turnover or the terrible penalty. Mistake after mistake after mistake. Just shitty, undisciplined football.

This is the type of game I was hoping to not see anymore or at least not for a while after a coaching change. But this is two weeks in a row now with a lot of really stupid mistakes at inopportune times. Luckily we came away with a W last week.. but we didn't today.

Nothing is more frustrating than knowing the Giants are clearly the best football team on the field and losing the game because they can't get out of their own way.


Well said.
Lets not forget  
giantgiantfan : 9/26/2016 1:42 am : link
these fuckers couldn't tackle worth a shit today. Tough loss, they deserved it. If you told us we'd be 2-1 after week 3 4 weeks ago, we'd all be happy. Just sucks we could not end the skins season. Minny next, tough.
SirYesSir  
blueblood'11 : 9/26/2016 7:42 am : link
I respect your opinion but I totally disagree. With all the undisciplined bullshit the Giants exhibited yesterday at some point as a team they needed to take a step back and realize enough is enough, we fucked around long enough now it's time to put this game to rest, play smart football, and win the game.

There is nothing positive in a loss like this because at every turn when they had the opportunity to finally wrest control of the game they let their ill advised emotions take over their senses. How many stupid plays were they going to make until they realized they were hurting their chances of winning the game.

That game was theirs from the the outset and they just pissed it away. I find nothing positive in a learning experience they all know too well already. Play like that is uncalled for and loses games for the team. It was a lesson they all know too well and did not need to have reinforced again yesterday.
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