If he played for another team, we would be ripping him to pieces. He's our guy, though, so his behavior is 'refreshing' and 'needed'. He wants to win so bad he....he.....fought the kicker's net and got beat up. Way to feed the meme machine.
Dez does that and we crucify him. OBJ does it and we laud his 'fire'. The dude is a great player, but there is some serious roid rage there.
I want to win and was pissed as I sat in traffic for two hours lamenting the loss. But show some class, not your ass.
And his drop on 2nd and 10 when he could have just caught the ball that was in both hands late in the game on a crucial drive is one of the reasons the Giants lost (among many). He makes that catch and we are at worst at 3rd and 5. Shepard catches the next pass for 8 and now we are a 4th and 2 and we kick the FG. Crucial drop in a key situation on a well thrown ball by Eli. Sometimes just catching the ball is the big play.
Top tier talent. But you can't deny the cat is off.
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This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.
This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.
Never said the game came down to his drop. But you can't deny it killed a drive.
And, the two drives killed by interceptions.
The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?
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And who cares about "feeding the meme machine"?
This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.
Never said the game came down to his drop. But you can't deny it killed a drive.
Do you know of a top tier WR who never drops balls? I dont.
The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?
We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.
Double standard.
No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.
For the guy who is supposed to best ever, he drops a lot of balls in key situations. Balls that are in his hands. Carolina last year. Last week. This game late on a crucial drive.
Dude is talented. But he doesn't have to win the game by himself. He makes that catch and this game turns out differently, IMO. That's all I'm saying.
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and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.
The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?
We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.
Double standard.
Again. People saying stupid stuff about opposing players they hate doesn't mean it's bad when Beckham does that stuff. Norman cares. Dez cares. OBJ cares. As long as that behavior doesn't cost the team - and OBJ's sideline antics didn't - who cares?
I can't tell if your point is more that BBI has double standards or that OBJ is doing something bad for the team.
No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.
Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.
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and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.
The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?
We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.
Double standard.
Again. People saying stupid stuff about opposing players they hate doesn't mean it's bad when Beckham does that stuff. Norman cares. Dez cares. OBJ cares. As long as that behavior doesn't cost the team - and OBJ's sideline antics didn't - who cares?
I can't tell if your point is more that BBI has double standards or that OBJ is doing something bad for the team.
Both. Equally.
Show some class.
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.
No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.
Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.
You'll see. Eventually.
So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.
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That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.
Show some class.
I'll show some class after you stop with your sanctimonious bullshit.
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on the sidelines with his behavior and that he's obviously letting the attention of the Norman feud get into his head. He's freaking out on the sidelines because he wants to win this matchup so badly. But... he's hardly the reason that the Giants lost today. You can name 20 things that hurt the team today more than his drops or antics did. He does need to harness his emotions though. If he could turn all of that emotion into a controlled rage like Jordan said he did, he would be even more amazing.
For the guy who is supposed to best ever, he drops a lot of balls in key situations. Balls that are in his hands. Carolina last year. Last week. This game late on a crucial drive.
Dude is talented. But he doesn't have to win the game by himself. He makes that catch and this game turns out differently, IMO. That's all I'm saying.
Giants final drive ended on an interception where the intercepting player said after the game both he and Vereen were shocked that the ball was thrown there. They were only 20 yards from FG range with about 58 seconds with two timeouts. Don't overthink it.
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.
So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.
Yes, those kids have parents that can prevent them from watching if they so please. This is a game with grown men running at each other at full speed and shortening each other's lives and you're upset that a kid will see him show a little emotion on the sideline?
He flat out embarrassed the franchise last year. It was a disgrace the way he headhunted Norman. If you don't think so, then your 'new skool cool'. And you have no idea how old I am. But if showing some decorum is 'old fogie' shit, I'm in.
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.
So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.
Oh no, he punched a net. My kids are going to become murders!
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You guys having a giant stick up your ass about everything doesn't make you better people. It's fucking pathetic. If you think OBJ is embarrassing the franchise or something, I think you're embarrassing this fan base. A bunch of old fogies yelling at the sky.
He flat out embarrassed the franchise last year. It was a disgrace the way he headhunted Norman. If you don't think so, then your 'new skool cool'. And you have no idea how old I am. But if showing some decorum is 'old fogie' shit, I'm in.
He was wrong in that game, but Norman doesn't get any blame here? And we're talking about today, I don't give a shit about last year. OBJ wasn't the one practically body slamming Norman in this game.
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That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.
Show some class.
I'll show some class after you stop with your sanctimonious bullshit.
I meant OBJ should show some class. You're really on the dilsnick hard there, bruh. if I was the only one saying this, maybe it would be sanctimonious. But I'm not, I assure you.
I'm sure Julian Edelman is very classy.
But if your complaints are strictly about on the field performance, then you don't have anything to worry about. Antonio Bryant and Dez Bryant caught zero passes when being defended by Josh Norman. Odell had a terrific game... not perfect, but still excellent nonetheless.
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.
So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.
Oh no, he punched a net. My kids are going to become murders!
Wow.
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.
So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.
Yes, those kids have parents that can prevent them from watching if they so please. This is a game with grown men running at each other at full speed and shortening each other's lives and you're upset that a kid will see him show a little emotion on the sideline?
A little emotion? Boy, if he really went off, we're all in trouble.
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No jokes here. The crying is a bit much.
Some of you guys justifying his unhinged behavior, even after team leaders attempted to reason with him (including Eli) ... Just very surprising.
No jokes here. The crying is a bit much.
Some of you guys justifying his unhinged behavior, even after team leaders attempted to reason with him (including Eli) ... Just very surprising.
Exactly, Beez. No one is denying his ability. He's an amazing athlete. But he's also nutty like a squirrel turd, at times. Norman cries after losing the biggest game of his and he's a bitch. OBJ cries after game 3 of the regular season and he's 'passionate'.
Fine line between passionate and unstable.
Ask and you shall receive.
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One way or another, if the organization is not already trying to counsel him, they should. They counsel guys on money, and behavior away from the field. Isn't there a seminar for the new guys? The organization should try to help him. He won't lose talent or passion. lol. Hell just MAYBE learn how to better control his emotions.
Did it alter the outcome? I don't know. Those saying it didn't can't claim that, imo. His behavior was a distraction and compelled others in uniform to address it when they could have had their attention elsewhere. Wasted time and attention there.
I hope the organization addresses this, quietly and internally. Not from a punishment standpoint. But from a position of caring and helping this toynf star get his act together, to be less of a distraction, and to better be able to stay focused during potentially emotional moments on the field.
One way or another, if the organization is not already trying to counsel him, they should. They counsel guys on money, and behavior away from the field. Isn't there a seminar for the new guys? The organization should try to help him. He won't lose talent or passion. lol. Hell just MAYBE learn how to better control his emotions.
Did it alter the outcome? I don't know. Those saying it didn't can't claim that, imo. His behavior was a distraction and compelled others in uniform to address it when they could have had their attention elsewhere. Wasted time and attention there.
I hope the organization addresses this, quietly and internally. Not from a punishment standpoint. But from a position of caring and helping this toynf star get his act together, to be less of a distraction, and to better be able to stay focused during potentially emotional moments on the field.
Bing! Bing! Bing! We have a winner!!
It means nothing he will outgrow that stuff. Giants feed off his energy
As a fan, I do think his tirade was bizarre. He expends a ton on energy on the sidelines. Yet, if his teammates don't mind and the coach doesn't mind and the refs aren't throwing flags, I'm not sure that I really care.
And I think Giants coaching staff are partly to blame. If they got him involved early, this wouldnt have happened, not to mention they could have probably won the game.
It's prevalent throughout the NFL, the "diva" syndrome, it's hey look at me even when I'm on the sideline nonsense.
It's basically because they want to punch their QBs in the face but know they can't. Receivers have talked about this before.
I'm sorry, but if you're expecting athletes to be role models and raise your children, then there are deeper underlying issues here.
It means nothing he will outgrow that stuff. Giants feed off his energy
Harry Carson did it behind closed doors . No comparison .
Hmm why? Because Richburg's antics don't fit your argument.
Give me a fucking break. This is ridiculous.
Idk, reads to me the OP is calling out the fans for being hypocrites as OBJ gets a pass while if this was Dez we could ridicule him.
But we are lucky to have him he is an elite receiver
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.
No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.
Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.
Agreed. It's irrelevant. I don't have a clue why this sort of stuff bothers anyone in the slighest. He does more good than bad for the giants by a ridiculously wide margin.
What I didn't see with OBJ though, which I saw many times with Dez and others, were arguments with teammates, finger pointing, yelling at coaches...I saw a shot of Eli going up to him and speaking with him and OBJ calmly answering back. I saw him speaking calmly and (I assume) rationally with his position coach. If people want to make metaphors, what I saw was much more Paul O'Neill than Dez Bryant.
As penance for my callous personality though, I will make a small donation to the "Dave the Kicking Nets Fund". I hope that will mollify y'all.
Yes he is emotional. Who cares.
Jeez, a lot of you guys would have hated LT, who had a ton more problems than his emotion on the field.
This is football, it's harsh and dangerous. So if some guys are more emotional than others, big deal.
Yes he is emotional. Who cares.
Jeez, a lot of you guys would have hated LT, who had a ton more problems than his emotion on the field.
This is football, it's harsh and dangerous. So if some guys are more emotional than others, big deal.
And honestly, I don't get the people who want players who don't care. I've seen a lot of teams just mail it in; it's not a pleasant sight.
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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!
he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival
The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.
So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
People who say he's a bad teammate probably have never played a team sport before
A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!
he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival
The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.
So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.
A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
Julio Jones has passion and drive.
No one here would ever question the amount of passion and drive inside Victor Cruz.
It's not about that. It's about distracting, outward emotional breakdowns that amount to tantrums.
I love that he's a Giant. I love his game. I don't care about his nightclubs of choice or any of that social stuff away from the field.
I'll say it again. I hope the Giants organization sees yesterday as a clear indicator that he cannot evolve by himself, to at LEAST not do absolutely berserk on the sidelines during an emotional game. It doesn't serve him well, nor does it help his team.
I might be stretching here a bit, but if Odell is more controlled emotionally, does Richburg go after Norman there along the sideline?
Could Odell's raging fits affect the rest of the team and how they might ramp others up?
I don't know the answer, but I think it's possible. These guys are brothers and are looking out for one another. I'd propose that if Odell wasn't coming unglued emotionally, then the rest of the guys are not as drawn to his behavior and perhaps even influenced by it.
Love OBJ. And I'm very hopeful to see him handle his emotions a bit better next time he's in a situation like yesterday (which could easily be next weekend). I think it would help the entire team.
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.
A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
The crazed antics, though, are more a hindrance to the team than they are any sort of help.
Julio Jones has passion and drive.
No one here would ever question the amount of passion and drive inside Victor Cruz.
It's not about that. It's about distracting, outward emotional breakdowns that amount to tantrums.
I love that he's a Giant. I love his game. I don't care about his nightclubs of choice or any of that social stuff away from the field.
I'll say it again. I hope the Giants organization sees yesterday as a clear indicator that he cannot evolve by himself, to at LEAST not do absolutely berserk on the sidelines during an emotional game. It doesn't serve him well, nor does it help his team.
I might be stretching here a bit, but if Odell is more controlled emotionally, does Richburg go after Norman there along the sideline?
Could Odell's raging fits affect the rest of the team and how they might ramp others up?
I don't know the answer, but I think it's possible. These guys are brothers and are looking out for one another. I'd propose that if Odell wasn't coming unglued emotionally, then the rest of the guys are not as drawn to his behavior and perhaps even influenced by it.
Love OBJ. And I'm very hopeful to see him handle his emotions a bit better next time he's in a situation like yesterday (which could easily be next weekend). I think it would help the entire team.
Nice job
Your sitting in traffic for two hours let your mind take you to some absurd places.
We lost yesterday due to a slew of reasons, the main being the bad penalties, hurt secondary, and a really stupid throw by Eli. If Beckham wasn't on the field in the 4th quarter we didn't stand much of a chance. With him we did what we wants (and should have been doing all game) and it ended on a really boneheaded decision.
That's the biggest problem. He IS the team leader, more importantly, he's the team emotional leader, someone players like Sheppard obviously look up to. When he loses it, the entire team loses their mental edge. From Sheppard jawing with Norman after the over the middle hit to Richburg getting ejected protecting him. OBJ doesn't understand the responsibility that he has on this team. I wish this wasn't the case but young people always seem to value flash over substance.
Suuuuuure you did.
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Some of you don't deserve to watch this guy every Sunday. The nitpicking I read around here about him annoys the hell out of me sometimes, and I feel as if there is a distinct general profile for those who engage in that pastime. White male, usually older, possibly (but not definitely) a wee bit racist. You don't deserve him.
The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.
So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
you've never seen a baseball player throw or smash something in a clubhouse before. I'll take 52 Odell's over 52 guys who play like passionless Soviet hockey player robots all day everyday
Wow, you missed the point.
It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct
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I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.
It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct
So we expect guys who put their bodies on the line and put all that work in to achieve greatness to be classy in defeat at all times, but yet we are posting threads questioning their sanity amongst other judgmental gems that we see on here after a loss?
Don't get me wrong, I do think that Odell has to do a better job remaining composed and I can see how that can create issues for him and the team, but let's relax with the high horse shit, fellas. Yes, we would kill him if he was on the other team, but fan bases always look for a reason to shit on an opposing team/player. I mean, seriously. People need to record themselves watching the game and see if they are as classy as they are asking their players to be.
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If not winning makes him cry out of frustration, we'll likely be seeing it fairly often because the Giants are a middling team at best and there are going to be many more frustrating moments.
When has Beckham ever marched the Giants down the field to victory? Give me a single big win that he has ever been a part of in a Giant uniform? Cruz has given the Giants victory in the face of defeat 2x this year. When has OBJ done that once for the Giants? Do a Google search for OBJ game winning catch and the only thing that comes up is his one handed catch against the Cowboys, anyone remember who actually won that game? Then do a search for Victor Cruz game winning catch, you'll game a page full of different catches.
He was either mad at Eli for throwing away from him (and throwing a pick), mad at Tye for lazily getting undercut, or just mad at the lost opportunity. That was not a case of a player being harder on himself than his teammates.
It's not a huge problem, but the idea that plenty of people on this site wouldn't be celebrating and acting like the guy was a problem if that were Jamison Crowder and the Giants had won is ridiculous.
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or is what actually happened what you should believe? Because I saw an "unstable" player lead us in marching down the field with his teammates blowing it. If him playing at the peak of his game doesn't raise the bar for his teammates, than that's on them. Stop making excuses for the team, they didn't execute and it has nothing to do with what Beckham did or didn't do on the sidelines.
When has Beckham ever marched the Giants down the field to victory? Give me a single big win that he has ever been a part of in a Giant uniform? Cruz has given the Giants victory in the face of defeat 2x this year. When has OBJ done that once for the Giants? Do a Google search for OBJ game winning catch and the only thing that comes up is his one handed catch against the Cowboys, anyone remember who actually won that game? Then do a search for Victor Cruz game winning catch, you'll game a page full of different catches.
You seem pretty unstable...
if you think the giants would be better off without beckham, see how they did the one game he missed last season against Minnesota.
And I love Eli, but he hasn't been blameless in letting a couple OBJ TDs slip away this year because of errant throws or non throws. Like the play in Dallas right before the Cruz td, missing him wide open. Or yesterday not seeing him when he was open for a long one when Norman got fooled.
It is perplexing to me why, unless they're wide open, Manning chose (chooses) to throw to Rainey or the two Tight Ends who would not make an another NFL roster (Randle style) when you have 3 pro-bowl caliber WRs. Rainey is fucking 5'8"...not typically the type who catches back of the endzone balls like he's Plaxico Burress.
I would explore trading for a tight end this season, giving up as much as a 2 for the right player (better a 3 obviously). The position is a catastrophe and has the potential to really hurt the Giants' playoff chances.
And I love Eli, but he hasn't been blameless in letting a couple OBJ TDs slip away this year because of errant throws or non throws. Like the play in Dallas right before the Cruz td, missing him wide open. Or yesterday not seeing him when he was open for a long one when Norman got fooled.
Eli also missed Beckham who was wide open yesterday by about 20 yards for a sure 80 yard TD (or whatever the distance was). I can't remember which quarter it was.
IMO, we didn't feed him enough. He was getting open at will and I wish we went to him more. Pittsburgh fans don't complain about, Atlanta fans don't complain about it, and Detroit fans didn't complain about it when their star WR's were/are getting fed.
The play right before the game-ending pick was to Cruz for a long first down.
I know there's a narrative starting that no player but the 3 WR's should get balls thrown their way, but not only is that a ridiculous thing to espouse, it is pretty much incorrect to begin with.
Both Falcons fans and Lions fans have said they've lost games because they were trying to force the ball to Jones or Megatron too much.
It happens with every team. If you win (like Pittsburgh usually does) there aren't a lot of complaints. When you lose, like the Falcons and Lions have, people complain.
Lions fans have wanted the ball spread out, to Riddick and Tate last year. Falcons fans lamented Roddy White's decline because they felt it made them too reliant on Jones.
Trust me, I used to be the same way. One-handed catches, new hairstyles, Instagramning with Drake but then I turned 40! lol
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Pittsburgh fans don't complain about, Atlanta fans don't complain about it, and Detroit fans didn't complain about it when their star WR's were/are getting fed.
Both Falcons fans and Lions fans have said they've lost games because they were trying to force the ball to Jones or Megatron too much.
It happens with every team. If you win (like Pittsburgh usually does) there aren't a lot of complaints. When you lose, like the Falcons and Lions have, people complain.
Lions fans have wanted the ball spread out, to Riddick and Tate last year. Falcons fans lamented Roddy White's decline because they felt it made them too reliant on Jones.
I don't really put much stock in that. Grass is always greener even if it comes from the coaches mouth. What are you paying $20 million for?
The reason why Atlanta and Detroit lose games is because their QB's and defenses suck. They also have inconsistent at best running games.
Pittsburgh has a legit defense and legit running game and they still feed Brown all he can handle.
Just to set the record straight, if your kid is more influenced by OBJ - or any athlete or public figure - than he is by what he experiences at home, you have already failed miserably as a parent. That isn't on OBJ.
Would I like to see the guy not melt down on the sideline? Sure. Would have liked to have seen Tom Coughlin not melt down on the sidelines too. But I don't shield my children from the screen when the Giants play because someone may show frustration in a poor way.
So in summary...get over it.
I know there's a narrative starting that no player but the 3 WR's should get balls thrown their way, but not only is that a ridiculous thing to espouse, it is pretty much incorrect to begin with.
You're right, it's not possible or adviseable to only throw to the wide receivers but they, with Vereen, should be prioritized. 2 of them were open on the Tye pick. He & LD are bad players. It'd be nice if they could be even a poor man's Dan Campbell to help that part of the game, but neither of them can even block.
The TE position is a problem.
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I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.
It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct
Dez gets into fights with his teammates and coaches. OBJ gets into it with opponents and expresses his frustration away from others. There is a massive difference.
Ok, so he's no Larry Fitzgerald or Jerry Rice who blows past his coach on the sidelines after acting like an ass on the field.
While I can sit here and pretend I know their strategy or gameplan, I will say it was pretty damn annoying we didn't stomp on their throats in the first half. It has generally been the Giants MO so it isn't surprising, but we could have put this damn thing away early. Going into the locker room at halftime up only 5 was brutal.
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I also agree with you.
I saw LT's entire career.
It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.
I don't think he's a "problem." I just think he could help solidify things without acting like a 4-year-old having a tantrum in the grocery store after being told "no."
and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.
Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.
I fail to see how you KNOW his emotional outburst CLEARLY enhanced his performance. That strikes me as a really empty statement.
I fail to see how you KNOW his emotional outburst CLEARLY enhanced his performance. That strikes me as a really empty statement.
Well, I'm basing it on how quiet he was for the first 3 quarters.
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he melted down anyway
and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.
Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.
Wasn't he flagged on the very last drive? Does that penalty not count?
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he melted down anyway
and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.
Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.
Wasn't he flagged on the very last drive? Does that penalty not count?
He was flagged for a pick play, but that's not something I consider to be "melting down". Pick plays are often judgement calls by the refs, or they are technique-based failures to execute. Last year's Panther game was melting down. What richburg did yesterday was melting down.
Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.
Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.
I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.
Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.
I saw LT's entire career.
It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.
Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?
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a lot of people seem to think that last Richburg call was BS.
Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.
I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.
Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.
I think the same could be said in principle for Beckhams penalty on the final drive.
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.
I saw LT's entire career.
It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.
Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?
LT was also a crackhead and was probably high half the time he was doing that.
Now the same thing is going on after yesterday.
Excellent observation and something I kept asking myself about all game long. Why the heck did they target OBJ so much when he was double covered, over emotional, and dropping passes. I just don't get it.
And then we run the ball with 3rd and long almost every time.
It's as though Mac's whole offensive strategy is top call the play least likely to be expected. That may be fine sometimes but not when it's also the play least likely to succeed. Very bad play calling lost both games we lost so far.
As far as OBJ, tantrums, the coaches need to bench him when he acts up like that and you'll see how fast OBJ corrects those hissy fits.
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.
I saw LT's entire career.
It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.
Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?
My view ... yes, we're talking about insanely effusive players. But one never seemed to be using it as a display or a damn pity party like Odell's strike me at times. LT always seemed fiery but measured, in a way, in order to lead and to get his guys properly "motivated."
For guys who watched LT's career, I don't believe you'll get a large percentage of them saying that he was ever completely out of control. Odell, with the crying and the blatant BS last year (helmet hit) and the non-stop histrionics, then and still now (yesterday), it's clear he's not anywhere near in control of his emotions.
Then there's the difference between one guy playing a "skill" position where his precision is critical, vs. a guy like LT who played a position of overt violence. His patent aggression was part and parcel to what made him the greatest to ever play the position.
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a lot of people seem to think that last Richburg call was BS.
Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.
I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.
Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.
I think the same could be said in principle for Beckhams penalty on the final drive.
Without access to seeing the play again, the easy thing to do is say that because he got an offensive pass interference call, it means he was out of his mind and out of control. I'm not so sure. The nature of that play is such that a ref can see that play 10 times and decide to throw a flag at any point. He might have simply blocked his man too early.
Just seems to me like he's gotten a huge pass for that penalty because fans want to defend his behavior.
Of course Giants would criticize if the shoe was on the other foot.
- Cruz - stop your idiotic, has-been dancing
- JPP - holy shit, your hand looks like someone took a bite out of a cookie
- Manning - Are you as stupid as that facial expression?
- Josh Brown - More domestic complaints than field goals made
- Landon Collins - Cromartie Daddy II
- OBJ - Got his ass kicked by Norman AND the kicking net
Yet ... since they are on the team and half of it's true, half is ridiculous, we want the good players on the team because we like winning.
Of course Giants would criticize if the shoe was on the other foot.
- Cruz - stop your idiotic, has-been dancing
- JPP - holy shit, your hand looks like someone took a bite out of a cookie
- Manning - Are you as stupid as that facial expression?
- Josh Brown - More domestic complaints than field goals made
- Landon Collins - Cromartie Daddy II
- OBJ - Got his ass kicked by Norman AND the kicking net
Yet ... since they are on the team and half of it's true, half is ridiculous, we want the good players on the team because we like winning.
McAdoo on Odell: "He needs to control himself better and be less of a distraction to his teammates
So the coach is ridiculous too right?
Maybe you need to hear how cool it was OBJ punched a FG net and it hit him in the head. Those tears were just passion
Cruz - keep dancing baby!!!!!
JPP - move over Arm Rangers, this guy is a warrior
Manning - GOAT, f Peyton
Josh Brown - glad he didn't kick her b/c he's awesome
Landon Collins- move over Ronnie Lott, you rule Collins
Happy now skippy? You're the best and good job calling out the rest as the worst.