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OBJ is unstable

BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:35 am
If he played for another team, we would be ripping him to pieces. He's our guy, though, so his behavior is 'refreshing' and 'needed'. He wants to win so bad he....he.....fought the kicker's net and got beat up. Way to feed the meme machine.

Dez does that and we crucify him. OBJ does it and we laud his 'fire'. The dude is a great player, but there is some serious roid rage there.

I want to win and was pissed as I sat in traffic for two hours lamenting the loss. But show some class, not your ass.

And his drop on 2nd and 10 when he could have just caught the ball that was in both hands late in the game on a crucial drive is one of the reasons the Giants lost (among many). He makes that catch and we are at worst at 3rd and 5. Shepard catches the next pass for 8 and now we are a 4th and 2 and we kick the FG. Crucial drop in a key situation on a well thrown ball by Eli. Sometimes just catching the ball is the big play.

Top tier talent. But you can't deny the cat is off.

This thread should go off the rails quickly.
WATCH: Giants’ Odell Beckham Jr. throws fit, fights with kicking net and cries - ( New Window )
I don't mind that he wants to win  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 2:38 am : link
And who cares about "feeding the meme machine"?

This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.
RE: I don't mind that he wants to win  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:39 am : link
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And who cares about "feeding the meme machine"?

This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.


Never said the game came down to his drop. But you can't deny it killed a drive.
It did.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 2:42 am : link
But the defense was the real culprit. They went to pieces in the 4th.

And, the two drives killed by interceptions.
Frankly I think Dez get's too much shit here  
chris r : 9/26/2016 2:42 am : link
and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.

The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?
RE: RE: I don't mind that he wants to win  
Modus Operandi : 9/26/2016 2:43 am : link
In comment 13142665 BlueGuy said:
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And who cares about "feeding the meme machine"?

This game did not come down to his drop. Plenty of blame and bad football to go around.



Never said the game came down to his drop. But you can't deny it killed a drive.


Do you know of a top tier WR who never drops balls? I dont.
I'll agree that he looked ridiculous  
illmatic : 9/26/2016 2:43 am : link
on the sidelines with his behavior and that he's obviously letting the attention of the Norman feud get into his head. He's freaking out on the sidelines because he wants to win this matchup so badly. But... he's hardly the reason that the Giants lost today. You can name 20 things that hurt the team today more than his drops or antics did. He does need to harness his emotions though. If he could turn all of that emotion into a controlled rage like Jordan said he did, he would be even more amazing.
RE: Frankly I think Dez get's too much shit here  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:45 am : link
In comment 13142667 chris r said:
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and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.

The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?


We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.

Double standard.
If many of our players played for other teams  
Mason : 9/26/2016 2:45 am : link
we would be ripping a lot more than we do here. What's the point?
The standard we hold him to cannot be  
BlackLight : 9/26/2016 2:45 am : link
'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.

No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.
RE: I'll agree that he looked ridiculous  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:47 am : link
In comment 13142669 illmatic said:
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on the sidelines with his behavior and that he's obviously letting the attention of the Norman feud get into his head. He's freaking out on the sidelines because he wants to win this matchup so badly. But... he's hardly the reason that the Giants lost today. You can name 20 things that hurt the team today more than his drops or antics did. He does need to harness his emotions though. If he could turn all of that emotion into a controlled rage like Jordan said he did, he would be even more amazing.


For the guy who is supposed to best ever, he drops a lot of balls in key situations. Balls that are in his hands. Carolina last year. Last week. This game late on a crucial drive.

Dude is talented. But he doesn't have to win the game by himself. He makes that catch and this game turns out differently, IMO. That's all I'm saying.
RE: RE: Frankly I think Dez get's too much shit here  
chris r : 9/26/2016 2:48 am : link
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and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.

The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?



We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.

Double standard.


Again. People saying stupid stuff about opposing players they hate doesn't mean it's bad when Beckham does that stuff. Norman cares. Dez cares. OBJ cares. As long as that behavior doesn't cost the team - and OBJ's sideline antics didn't - who cares?

I can't tell if your point is more that BBI has double standards or that OBJ is doing something bad for the team.
You care way too much about what people think about him  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:49 am : link
That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.
RE: The standard we hold him to cannot be  
chris r : 9/26/2016 2:49 am : link
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.

No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.


Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.
Who gives a shit if it's a double standard?  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:50 am : link
Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.
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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:51 am : link
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and so I'm not falling for because we criticize Dez for doing it, it's bad that OBJ does logic you're trying to use.

The guy wants to win. Badly. This is a bad thing?



We blast Norman for crying after the Super Bowl. OBJ cries after a regular season game and that's ok.

Double standard.



Again. People saying stupid stuff about opposing players they hate doesn't mean it's bad when Beckham does that stuff. Norman cares. Dez cares. OBJ cares. As long as that behavior doesn't cost the team - and OBJ's sideline antics didn't - who cares?

I can't tell if your point is more that BBI has double standards or that OBJ is doing something bad for the team.


Both. Equally.
RE: You care way too much about what people think about him  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:51 am : link
In comment 13142676 BestFeature said:
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That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.


Show some class.
RE: RE: The standard we hold him to cannot be  
BlackLight : 9/26/2016 2:51 am : link
In comment 13142677 chris r said:
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.

No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.



Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.


You'll see. Eventually.
People really need to get off their high horse  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:52 am : link
You guys having a giant stick up your ass about everything doesn't make you better people. It's fucking pathetic. If you think OBJ is embarrassing the franchise or something, I think you're embarrassing this fan base. A bunch of old fogies yelling at the sky.
RE: Who gives a shit if it's a double standard?  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:52 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.


So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.
RE: RE: You care way too much about what people think about him  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:53 am : link
In comment 13142680 BlueGuy said:
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That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.



Show some class.


I'll show some class after you stop with your sanctimonious bullshit.
RE: RE: I'll agree that he looked ridiculous  
Mason : 9/26/2016 2:54 am : link
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on the sidelines with his behavior and that he's obviously letting the attention of the Norman feud get into his head. He's freaking out on the sidelines because he wants to win this matchup so badly. But... he's hardly the reason that the Giants lost today. You can name 20 things that hurt the team today more than his drops or antics did. He does need to harness his emotions though. If he could turn all of that emotion into a controlled rage like Jordan said he did, he would be even more amazing.



For the guy who is supposed to best ever, he drops a lot of balls in key situations. Balls that are in his hands. Carolina last year. Last week. This game late on a crucial drive.

Dude is talented. But he doesn't have to win the game by himself. He makes that catch and this game turns out differently, IMO. That's all I'm saying.


Giants final drive ended on an interception where the intercepting player said after the game both he and Vereen were shocked that the ball was thrown there. They were only 20 yards from FG range with about 58 seconds with two timeouts. Don't overthink it.
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BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:55 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.



So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.


Yes, those kids have parents that can prevent them from watching if they so please. This is a game with grown men running at each other at full speed and shortening each other's lives and you're upset that a kid will see him show a little emotion on the sideline?
RE: People really need to get off their high horse  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:55 am : link
In comment 13142682 BestFeature said:
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You guys having a giant stick up your ass about everything doesn't make you better people. It's fucking pathetic. If you think OBJ is embarrassing the franchise or something, I think you're embarrassing this fan base. A bunch of old fogies yelling at the sky.


He flat out embarrassed the franchise last year. It was a disgrace the way he headhunted Norman. If you don't think so, then your 'new skool cool'. And you have no idea how old I am. But if showing some decorum is 'old fogie' shit, I'm in.
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chris r : 9/26/2016 2:58 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.



So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.


Oh no, he punched a net. My kids are going to become murders!
RE: RE: People really need to get off their high horse  
BestFeature : 9/26/2016 2:58 am : link
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You guys having a giant stick up your ass about everything doesn't make you better people. It's fucking pathetic. If you think OBJ is embarrassing the franchise or something, I think you're embarrassing this fan base. A bunch of old fogies yelling at the sky.



He flat out embarrassed the franchise last year. It was a disgrace the way he headhunted Norman. If you don't think so, then your 'new skool cool'. And you have no idea how old I am. But if showing some decorum is 'old fogie' shit, I'm in.


He was wrong in that game, but Norman doesn't get any blame here? And we're talking about today, I don't give a shit about last year. OBJ wasn't the one practically body slamming Norman in this game.
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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 2:59 am : link
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That's the gist of it. It was bad optics and you didn't like it because some Cowboy fans would make fun of him like we do Dez. Who gives a shit? He's the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time. Who gives a shit if threw a tantrum? What did it effect? Your ability to save face in a loss? Fuck that.



Show some class.



I'll show some class after you stop with your sanctimonious bullshit.


I meant OBJ should show some class. You're really on the dilsnick hard there, bruh. if I was the only one saying this, maybe it would be sanctimonious. But I'm not, I assure you.
Enough of this horseshit already.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/26/2016 3:12 am : link
Odell is not going anywhere, so if it's too much for you to handle or if you're that worried about "the children", go root for another team.

I'm sure Julian Edelman is very classy.

But if your complaints are strictly about on the field performance, then you don't have anything to worry about. Antonio Bryant and Dez Bryant caught zero passes when being defended by Josh Norman. Odell had a terrific game... not perfect, but still excellent nonetheless.
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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 3:49 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.



So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.



Oh no, he punched a net. My kids are going to become murders!


Wow.
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BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 3:50 am : link
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Jesus. We're trying to win games here not be internally consistent. You care about utterly unimportant shit.



So the way he acts on TV in front of kids that idolize him is 'utterly unimportant'? I beg to differ.



Yes, those kids have parents that can prevent them from watching if they so please. This is a game with grown men running at each other at full speed and shortening each other's lives and you're upset that a kid will see him show a little emotion on the sideline?


A little emotion? Boy, if he really went off, we're all in trouble.
Yeah, he is the essence of stablility.  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 5:33 am : link
Dude's got issues.
ODELL BECKHAM JR CRIES, TELLS TEAMMATES TO “GET THE F— UP” DURING SIDELINE TIRADE - ( New Window )
Didnt see  
micky : 9/26/2016 5:42 am : link
Did the net win? Did it go at least a couple of rds. Entertainment..thats what its all about.
"Just happy we won..."  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 5:42 am : link
Whoa.


Giants' Odell Beckham Jr. nearly cries after win vs. San Francisco 49ers - ( New Window )
He could benefit from some counseling.  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 5:51 am : link
His passion is great. You love to see it. But he comes completely unhinged.

No jokes here. The crying is a bit much.

Some of you guys justifying his unhinged behavior, even after team leaders attempted to reason with him (including Eli) ... Just very surprising.
RE: He could benefit from some counseling.  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 5:56 am : link
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His passion is great. You love to see it. But he comes completely unhinged.

No jokes here. The crying is a bit much.

Some of you guys justifying his unhinged behavior, even after team leaders attempted to reason with him (including Eli) ... Just very surprising.


Exactly, Beez. No one is denying his ability. He's an amazing athlete. But he's also nutty like a squirrel turd, at times. Norman cries after losing the biggest game of his and he's a bitch. OBJ cries after game 3 of the regular season and he's 'passionate'.

Fine line between passionate and unstable.
RE: Didnt see  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 5:58 am : link
In comment 13142709 micky said:
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Did the net win? Did it go at least a couple of rds. Entertainment..thats what its all about.


Ask and you shall receive.
Crying Odell Beckham Jr. punches kicking net, which punches back - ( New Window )
Ya know what I really like about him?  
Glover : 9/26/2016 6:05 am : link
I like when he catches a ton of passes for a shitload of yards and a couple TDs. He's capable of doing that every game. I dont give a fuck if he is a crybaby, if he's feminine, if he's imbalanced, or unbalanced, if he supports Trump, I don care, as long as he doesnt break the law and can practice and play, I'm good.
My 18-year-old son  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 6:06 am : link
Texted me to ask WTF was up with Odell crying on the sideline.

One way or another, if the organization is not already trying to counsel him, they should. They counsel guys on money, and behavior away from the field. Isn't there a seminar for the new guys? The organization should try to help him. He won't lose talent or passion. lol. Hell just MAYBE learn how to better control his emotions.

Did it alter the outcome? I don't know. Those saying it didn't can't claim that, imo. His behavior was a distraction and compelled others in uniform to address it when they could have had their attention elsewhere. Wasted time and attention there.

I hope the organization addresses this, quietly and internally. Not from a punishment standpoint. But from a position of caring and helping this toynf star get his act together, to be less of a distraction, and to better be able to stay focused during potentially emotional moments on the field.
RE: My 18-year-old son  
BlueGuy : 9/26/2016 6:09 am : link
In comment 13142721 Beezer said:
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Texted me to ask WTF was up with Odell crying on the sideline.

One way or another, if the organization is not already trying to counsel him, they should. They counsel guys on money, and behavior away from the field. Isn't there a seminar for the new guys? The organization should try to help him. He won't lose talent or passion. lol. Hell just MAYBE learn how to better control his emotions.

Did it alter the outcome? I don't know. Those saying it didn't can't claim that, imo. His behavior was a distraction and compelled others in uniform to address it when they could have had their attention elsewhere. Wasted time and attention there.

I hope the organization addresses this, quietly and internally. Not from a punishment standpoint. But from a position of caring and helping this toynf star get his act together, to be less of a distraction, and to better be able to stay focused during potentially emotional moments on the field.


Bing! Bing! Bing! We have a winner!!
Harry Carson more than once  
joeinpa : 9/26/2016 6:35 am : link
Tore up a locker room at half time souring the Giants onto a win. He was lauded for being a great leader. The kid is a competitor with a fierce drive to win. Sometimes he acts immature, so what.

It means nothing he will outgrow that stuff. Giants feed off his energy
I honestly don't care.  
Gmen703 : 9/26/2016 6:45 am : link
Did he harm someone? Was he penalize for it? Did it affect his play negatively? Did he rape, murder, DUI kill someone?

As a fan, I do think his tirade was bizarre. He expends a ton on energy on the sidelines. Yet, if his teammates don't mind and the coach doesn't mind and the refs aren't throwing flags, I'm not sure that I really care.
Wow!  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 6:46 am : link
Extreme opinions on either side. Such is BBI. Great post by OP and Beezer, you nailed it! I don't understand why everyone feels compelled to first say how they love the passion of OBJ and then add the proverbial "but". Probably because they will get shamed for not being a Giants fan. Again such is BBI. He does have a problem though and it could very well hurt the team in the future. Whether he likes it or not (and he absolutely relishes it) he IS a role model and needs to be more professional and that doesn't mean he needs to reel in his "passion" just channel it in a more positive way.
What is it about receivers that makes them so prone to jackass-ness?  
exiled : 9/26/2016 6:55 am : link
It's like part of the position, along with big hands and vertical leap?
Holy shit!!  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 6:59 am : link
You're comparing Harry Carson to OBJ? Harry was a true leader and greatly respected by his teammates and whatever "antics" he did, he did it in the confines of the locker room NOT in public. You call that leadership? Carson was a team captain. Is OBJ? It all about setting the example but again this is BBI and I am not surprised by the folks who just blow it off.
Richburg gets thrown out of the game  
Shirk130 : 9/26/2016 7:08 am : link
and you decide to go after OBJ. hmmm.
Is he a "cancer"? NO!! Does help help the team win? HELL YEAH  
GloryDayz : 9/26/2016 7:09 am : link
I couldnt care less how other players, fans or the media feel about him.

And I think Giants coaching staff are partly to blame. If they got him involved early, this wouldnt have happened, not to mention they could have probably won the game.
RE: What is it about receivers that makes them so prone to jackass-ness?  
gmenatlarge : 9/26/2016 7:10 am : link
In comment 13142737 exiled said:
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It's like part of the position, along with big hands and vertical leap?

It's prevalent throughout the NFL, the "diva" syndrome, it's hey look at me even when I'm on the sideline nonsense.
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Mason : 9/26/2016 7:16 am : link
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It's like part of the position, along with big hands and vertical leap?


It's basically because they want to punch their QBs in the face but know they can't. Receivers have talked about this before.
Holy shit  
giantsfan44ab : 9/26/2016 7:18 am : link
Do some of you sound worse than that mother who took her daughter to a Titans-Panthers game and wrote a letter to Cam.

I'm sorry, but if you're expecting athletes to be role models and raise your children, then there are deeper underlying issues here.
I watched the game with Richburg's aunt  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:18 am : link
and she was fucking pissed as was I BUT this thread is about OBJ. Let's try to keep on topic folks.
No one is  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:23 am : link
"expecting" him to be a role model, he just is. Have you been following OBJ's trip to London? His popularity is off the charts and the role model thing pretty much comes with it.
RE: Harry Carson more than once  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 9/26/2016 7:24 am : link
In comment 13142726 joeinpa said:
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Tore up a locker room at half time souring the Giants onto a win. He was lauded for being a great leader. The kid is a competitor with a fierce drive to win. Sometimes he acts immature, so what.

It means nothing he will outgrow that stuff. Giants feed off his energy


Harry Carson did it behind closed doors . No comparison .
RE: I watched the game with Richburg's aunt  
giantsfan44ab : 9/26/2016 7:25 am : link
In comment 13142753 Kivorka said:
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and she was fucking pissed as was I BUT this thread is about OBJ. Let's try to keep on topic folks.


Hmm why? Because Richburg's antics don't fit your argument.

Give me a fucking break. This is ridiculous.
In the military  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:28 am : link
We had a saying; "criticize in private and praise in public". Harry epitomized that. Great leader, great player and great Giant. Love to hear his take on OBJ.
....  
christian : 9/26/2016 7:29 am : link
You're right. We should definitely cut him now when we have the chance.
We are talking about  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:32 am : link
OBJ's antics on the field and his behavior. Did you read the thread from the beginning it just the first comment then directly to "submit?" Try and keep up.
RE: We are talking about  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 7:35 am : link
In comment 13142769 Kivorka said:
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OBJ's antics on the field and his behavior. Did you read the thread from the beginning it just the first comment then directly to "submit?" Try and keep up.


Idk, reads to me the OP is calling out the fans for being hypocrites as OBJ gets a pass while if this was Dez we could ridicule him.
Again  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:38 am : link
extreme reactions. Who said anything or suggested cutting him? Why would you say something like that? Follow the thread. Read every reply, comprehend what you read and then take a minute BEFORE you reply. It's very easy to do. Try it and you'll be amazed at the replies.
He needs to manage the anger  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 7:45 am : link
Without losing his intensity. If we had 52 guys who cared as much as Odell we would be in great shape.

But we are lucky to have him he is an elite receiver
Giants2012  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 7:47 am : link
Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!
RE: RE: The standard we hold him to cannot be  
Rick5 : 9/26/2016 7:53 am : link
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'Did he commit any penalties or drop any passes?' This "he just wants to win so bad' stuff is just an absurd rationalization. Anyone who watches football can write a list of talented WRs that don't melt down on the sideline when the team is losing. Come talk to me when we see Larry Fitzgerald or Antonio Brown throw these kinds of tantrums.

No player in the NFL needs to be a functioning headcase to be good at their job. Sooner or later, this is all probably going to come back to bite us.



Who cares if he "melts down" on the sideline? PAul Oneal punched shit after big strikeouts. Again, who cares.

Agreed. It's irrelevant. I don't have a clue why this sort of stuff bothers anyone in the slighest. He does more good than bad for the giants by a ridiculously wide margin.
RE: Giants2012  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 7:55 am : link
In comment 13142790 Kivorka said:
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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!
he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival
RE: Richburg gets thrown out of the game  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 7:59 am : link
In comment 13142744 Shirk130 said:
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and you decide to go after OBJ. hmmm.
+1
I think everyone is full of it...  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:00 am : link
and it might be my fault. I just might lack enough empathy for kicking nets. My own character flaw. Do kicking nets lives matter?

What I didn't see with OBJ though, which I saw many times with Dez and others, were arguments with teammates, finger pointing, yelling at coaches...I saw a shot of Eli going up to him and speaking with him and OBJ calmly answering back. I saw him speaking calmly and (I assume) rationally with his position coach. If people want to make metaphors, what I saw was much more Paul O'Neill than Dez Bryant.

As penance for my callous personality though, I will make a small donation to the "Dave the Kicking Nets Fund". I hope that will mollify y'all.
Dang, I should have read Rick5 more carefully  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:01 am : link
before making the O'Neill analogy.
Odell is not a team player  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 8:01 am : link
period. I think it's just his personality and it's not going to change. When you are around the ultimate team players in Manning and Cruz day in and day out and nothing rubs off you might be a lost cause. He doesn't understand that he's been Tebow'd by ESPN. The guy hasn't accomplished anything in the game yet, that should be his only focus. He's proven time and again that he cannot be "the man" on an NFL football team - at least as it pertains to winning. It's time for him to accept the fact that his perfect role is to be a move the chains guy a la Steve Smith and give up the glory to Sheppard and Smith, but I cannot see any world where his ego allows that to happen.
um, BLacklight that is  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:02 am : link
it's....Monday.
I meant  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 8:03 am : link
Sheppard and Cruz, I wish we had Smith back, probably my favorite Giant of all time.
Already set s ton of records  
PhilSimms15 : 9/26/2016 8:07 am : link
And Odell is a top 10 guy in the NFL. And he has not killed anyone, beat anyone, been arrests for DWI, etc.

Yes he is emotional. Who cares.

Jeez, a lot of you guys would have hated LT, who had a ton more problems than his emotion on the field.

This is football, it's harsh and dangerous. So if some guys are more emotional than others, big deal.
Already set s ton of records  
PhilSimms15 : 9/26/2016 8:08 am : link
And Odell is a top 10 guy in the NFL. And he has not killed anyone, beat anyone, been arrests for DWI, etc.

Yes he is emotional. Who cares.

Jeez, a lot of you guys would have hated LT, who had a ton more problems than his emotion on the field.

This is football, it's harsh and dangerous. So if some guys are more emotional than others, big deal.
RE: Odell is not a team player  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:08 am : link
In comment 13142814 GentleGiant said:
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period. I think it's just his personality and it's not going to change. When you are around the ultimate team players in Manning and Cruz day in and day out and nothing rubs off you might be a lost cause. He doesn't understand that he's been Tebow'd by ESPN. The guy hasn't accomplished anything in the game yet, that should be his only focus. He's proven time and again that he cannot be "the man" on an NFL football team - at least as it pertains to winning. It's time for him to accept the fact that his perfect role is to be a move the chains guy a la Steve Smith and give up the glory to Sheppard and Smith, but I cannot see any world where his ego allows that to happen.
everything in your post is wrong. He's more jerry rice than Steve smith
You can't be as good as he is  
chuckydee9 : 9/26/2016 8:08 am : link
And not have insane competitive drive...
The guy is passionate, I'll give him that  
AnyoneButPhilly : 9/26/2016 8:09 am : link
I could do without the sideline meltdowns but that's what you get when you have a competitor like that. Dez does it too but he's usually invisible on the field
Odell is  
Rick5 : 9/26/2016 8:10 am : link
not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.
RE: You can't be as good as he is  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:11 am : link
In comment 13142832 chuckydee9 said:
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And not have insane competitive drive...
I think that's an important point. Everybody wants the great on-field outcome but if the passion and drive are what gets you to that outcome, then you have to take one with the other.

And honestly, I don't get the people who want players who don't care. I've seen a lot of teams just mail it in; it's not a pleasant sight.
RE: RE: Giants2012  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 8:13 am : link
In comment 13142796 Les in TO said:
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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!

he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival


The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.

So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
He just wants to win  
Rflairr : 9/26/2016 8:13 am : link
We could have used a few more like him yesterday
RE: Odell is  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:22 am : link
In comment 13142836 Rick5 said:
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.
he practices with Eli and his teammates in the offseason gave everyone on the team beats headphones Etc he doesn't call out coaches and teammates like Dez or TO

People who say he's a bad teammate probably have never played a team sport before
RE: Odell is  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 13142836 Rick5 said:
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.


A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
RE: RE: RE: Giants2012  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:24 am : link
In comment 13142843 Giants2012 said:
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Yes, you definitely have a good post and I do see that a lot on this site. As Giants fans we tend to be a little hypocritical but the majority of the posts have focused on OBJ's behavior. Bottom line he is a lightening rod but he's our lightening rod. I think we all hope that it doesn't hurt the team. I'm over the loss now it's onto Minnesota!!

he's not on the same level as Dez who gets into fights with his coaches and teammates. He gets a lot of attention because we haven't had an impact player like him since LT and he plays in NY. He's intense but a good kid and I'm tired of these stupid threads calling him out when he played a not perfect but pretty damn good game against a pro bowl rival



The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.

So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.
you've never seen a baseball player throw or smash something in a clubhouse before. I'll take 52 Odell's over 52 guys who play like passionless Soviet hockey player robots all day everyday
RE: RE: Odell is  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:26 am : link
In comment 13142858 GentleGiant said:
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.



A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
that doesn't make him a bad teammate. He made a fixable error one made in the hopes of helping his team score and win.
Larry Fitzgerald has passion and drive.  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 8:27 am : link
Antonio Brown has passion and drive.
Julio Jones has passion and drive.

No one here would ever question the amount of passion and drive inside Victor Cruz.

It's not about that. It's about distracting, outward emotional breakdowns that amount to tantrums.

I love that he's a Giant. I love his game. I don't care about his nightclubs of choice or any of that social stuff away from the field.

I'll say it again. I hope the Giants organization sees yesterday as a clear indicator that he cannot evolve by himself, to at LEAST not do absolutely berserk on the sidelines during an emotional game. It doesn't serve him well, nor does it help his team.

I might be stretching here a bit, but if Odell is more controlled emotionally, does Richburg go after Norman there along the sideline?

Could Odell's raging fits affect the rest of the team and how they might ramp others up?

I don't know the answer, but I think it's possible. These guys are brothers and are looking out for one another. I'd propose that if Odell wasn't coming unglued emotionally, then the rest of the guys are not as drawn to his behavior and perhaps even influenced by it.

Love OBJ. And I'm very hopeful to see him handle his emotions a bit better next time he's in a situation like yesterday (which could easily be next weekend). I think it would help the entire team.
RE: RE: Odell is  
Bill L : 9/26/2016 8:28 am : link
In comment 13142858 GentleGiant said:
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not a team player? You can't make this stuff up. He openly praises his teammates all the time. Cruz - comeback player of the year, SS - rookie of the year, etc.



A team player secures that 2nd down catch to give his team 3rd and short. Instead, OBJ tried to catch and run, he does this time and again. He wanted the TD. Team players know the situation before the ball is snapped. When you are told to make your cut before the marker there is an understanding that your role is not to make something happen, it's to catch the ball to give the team 3rd down options.
This is a ridiculous post.
I also believe he's a great teammate.  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 8:29 am : link
One of the guys. In it with them. Supportive and supportive.

The crazed antics, though, are more a hindrance to the team than they are any sort of help.
By gentle giants definition of bad teammate  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 8:29 am : link
Eli is a bad teammate for throwing two picks Vernon is a bad teammate for the personal foul on cousins Richburg is a bad teammate for getting ejected. Anyone who makes any mistake on the field is a bad teammate
***  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 8:31 am : link
Supportive and supported. (meant to type)
RE: Larry Fitzgerald has passion and drive.  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 8:31 am : link
In comment 13142866 Beezer said:
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Antonio Brown has passion and drive.
Julio Jones has passion and drive.

No one here would ever question the amount of passion and drive inside Victor Cruz.

It's not about that. It's about distracting, outward emotional breakdowns that amount to tantrums.

I love that he's a Giant. I love his game. I don't care about his nightclubs of choice or any of that social stuff away from the field.

I'll say it again. I hope the Giants organization sees yesterday as a clear indicator that he cannot evolve by himself, to at LEAST not do absolutely berserk on the sidelines during an emotional game. It doesn't serve him well, nor does it help his team.

I might be stretching here a bit, but if Odell is more controlled emotionally, does Richburg go after Norman there along the sideline?

Could Odell's raging fits affect the rest of the team and how they might ramp others up?

I don't know the answer, but I think it's possible. These guys are brothers and are looking out for one another. I'd propose that if Odell wasn't coming unglued emotionally, then the rest of the guys are not as drawn to his behavior and perhaps even influenced by it.

Love OBJ. And I'm very hopeful to see him handle his emotions a bit better next time he's in a situation like yesterday (which could easily be next weekend). I think it would help the entire team.


Nice job

He  
AcidTest : 9/26/2016 8:35 am : link
and Norman are very emotional. That can be beneficial and detrimental, depending on the moment. He wants to win, but can lose focus. I do agree that he does way too much dancing and prancing, even by today's standards in the NFL. He is a prima donna.
Showing fire and emotion is nothing new, OBJ is just the millennial  
Ben in Tampa : 9/26/2016 8:41 am : link
version of it. That's not a knock, either.
Sorry....  
Kanavis : 9/26/2016 8:42 am : link
I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.
Odell was the best player  
PaulBlakeTSU : 9/26/2016 8:47 am : link
on the field for the Giants yesterday dominating his one-on-one matchup with Norman, and you're singling him out after the loss? And that was with the Redskins CB2 and CB3 out of the game?

Your sitting in traffic for two hours let your mind take you to some absurd places.
Passion  
Tom in DC : 9/26/2016 8:48 am : link
ODB walks (and sometimes crosses) the line between playing with passion and poor sportsmanship. Jeremy Shocky and Brandon Jacobs are two recent examples of this.
so much stupid on this thread  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 8:48 am : link
an earlier poster said it best, Giants fans want their cake while eating it too. Beckham is who he is and we are an infinitely better team with him on the field. There's a whole list of guys who handle themselves better, and there's a whole list of guys who handle themselves worse.

We lost yesterday due to a slew of reasons, the main being the bad penalties, hurt secondary, and a really stupid throw by Eli. If Beckham wasn't on the field in the 4th quarter we didn't stand much of a chance. With him we did what we wants (and should have been doing all game) and it ended on a really boneheaded decision.
Kid play with his heart  
bronxgiant : 9/26/2016 8:52 am : link
and he is unstable. Relax and enjoy the passion to be better that the kid shows. He does not want to lose and his emotion drives him. Everyone is not wired the same way yet we would want to give him (verbal or otherwise) medication to calm the very thing that gives us fans so much pleasure.
not sure people know what unstable means  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 8:54 am : link
but alright, whatever label gets you through the day.
Seems like an awful lot of people here never saw LT play  
Greg from LI : 9/26/2016 8:57 am : link
He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.
RE: I also believe he's a great teammate.  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 8:58 am : link
In comment 13142869 Beezer said:
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One of the guys. In it with them. Supportive and supportive.
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That's the biggest problem. He IS the team leader, more importantly, he's the team emotional leader, someone players like Sheppard obviously look up to. When he loses it, the entire team loses their mental edge. From Sheppard jawing with Norman after the over the middle hit to Richburg getting ejected protecting him. OBJ doesn't understand the responsibility that he has on this team. I wish this wasn't the case but young people always seem to value flash over substance.
do you really believe that?  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 9:00 am : link
or is what actually happened what you should believe? Because I saw an "unstable" player lead us in marching down the field with his teammates blowing it. If him playing at the peak of his game doesn't raise the bar for his teammates, than that's on them. Stop making excuses for the team, they didn't execute and it has nothing to do with what Beckham did or didn't do on the sidelines.
RE: I watched the game with Richburg's aunt  
montanagiant : 9/26/2016 9:13 am : link
In comment 13142753 Kivorka said:
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and she was fucking pissed as was I BUT this thread is about OBJ. Let's try to keep on topic folks.

Suuuuuure you did.
Beckham isn't the sole reason they lost, but it's hard not to think  
Victor in CT : 9/26/2016 9:14 am : link
he has a screw loose after watching that tirade.
the bigger issue though is that he dropped another gimme  
Victor in CT : 9/26/2016 9:15 am : link
as the OP pointed out
RE: He just wants to win  
montanagiant : 9/26/2016 9:16 am : link
In comment 13142846 Rflairr said:
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We could have used a few more like him yesterday

+1
He's the best player on the team  
LatHarv83 : 9/26/2016 9:16 am : link
and it's not particularly close. He was a beast yesterday, and that's without even getting into the targets he didn't see when wide open for big plays (like the time Norman bit on play action and OBJ was running free for a long TD unseen)

Some of you don't deserve to watch this guy every Sunday. The nitpicking I read around here about him annoys the hell out of me sometimes, and I feel as if there is a distinct general profile for those who engage in that pastime. White male, usually older, possibly (but not definitely) a wee bit racist. You don't deserve him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants2012  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 9:16 am : link
In comment 13142860 Les in TO said:
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The guy punched a kicking net and it clocked him in the head. That action is going to draw attention. Then he appeared to be crying. This coming off the heels of going completely out of control the last time he faced Norman. Yes, he's had a similar impact on the due to his play like Taylor and appears more stable off the field than Taylor. On the field however, he's a bit of primadonna rather than a rock like Taylor.

So long as OBJ plays well and has these odd moments you're going to get both praise for his play and ridcule for his hissy fits. Take the good with the bad as i see it.

you've never seen a baseball player throw or smash something in a clubhouse before. I'll take 52 Odell's over 52 guys who play like passionless Soviet hockey player robots all day everyday


Wow, you missed the point.
RE: Sorry....  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 9:18 am : link
In comment 13142905 Kanavis said:
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I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.


It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct
RE: RE: Sorry....  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 13143014 Giants2012 said:
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I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.



It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct
Dez gets into fights with his teammates and coaches. OBJ gets into it with opponents and expresses his frustration away from others. There is a massive difference.
Speaking of double standards...  
stillpoe : 9/26/2016 9:23 am : link
I love how OBJ's composure and antics are in question, yet it seems like half of BBI is in meltdown mode after a shitty loss.

So we expect guys who put their bodies on the line and put all that work in to achieve greatness to be classy in defeat at all times, but yet we are posting threads questioning their sanity amongst other judgmental gems that we see on here after a loss?

Don't get me wrong, I do think that Odell has to do a better job remaining composed and I can see how that can create issues for him and the team, but let's relax with the high horse shit, fellas. Yes, we would kill him if he was on the other team, but fan bases always look for a reason to shit on an opposing team/player. I mean, seriously. People need to record themselves watching the game and see if they are as classy as they are asking their players to be.
He just wants to win  
Overseer : 9/26/2016 9:23 am : link
In comment 13143006 montanagiant said:
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In comment 13142846 Rflairr said:
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+1


If not winning makes him cry out of frustration, we'll likely be seeing it fairly often because the Giants are a middling team at best and there are going to be many more frustrating moments.
RE: do you really believe that?  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 9:24 am : link
In comment 13142958 UConn4523 said:
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or is what actually happened what you should believe? Because I saw an "unstable" player lead us in marching down the field with his teammates blowing it. If him playing at the peak of his game doesn't raise the bar for his teammates, than that's on them. Stop making excuses for the team, they didn't execute and it has nothing to do with what Beckham did or didn't do on the sidelines.


When has Beckham ever marched the Giants down the field to victory? Give me a single big win that he has ever been a part of in a Giant uniform? Cruz has given the Giants victory in the face of defeat 2x this year. When has OBJ done that once for the Giants? Do a Google search for OBJ game winning catch and the only thing that comes up is his one handed catch against the Cowboys, anyone remember who actually won that game? Then do a search for Victor Cruz game winning catch, you'll game a page full of different catches.
Great player, but IMO the O'Neill analogy is a bit off.  
VenteSette : 9/26/2016 9:27 am : link
Beckham's tantrum came after a pick that was thrown to Will Tye. He was stepping up on that drive and whatever reason he flipped out, it wasn't quite like O'Neill being angry at himself for striking out.

He was either mad at Eli for throwing away from him (and throwing a pick), mad at Tye for lazily getting undercut, or just mad at the lost opportunity. That was not a case of a player being harder on himself than his teammates.

It's not a huge problem, but the idea that plenty of people on this site wouldn't be celebrating and acting like the guy was a problem if that were Jamison Crowder and the Giants had won is ridiculous.
what upsets me the most  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 9:27 am : link
about yesterday's game was the way the Giants played it so similarly to last year's game against Norman when they had no other options to pass to besides OBJ. They add Cruz and Sheppard this year and basically ignore both of them in the 4th Qtr. OBJ was drawing double teams the entire time and they opt for passes to the TE? I cannot understand how you upgrade your offense yet don't change the game plan.
RE: RE: do you really believe that?  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 9:28 am : link
In comment 13143033 GentleGiant said:
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or is what actually happened what you should believe? Because I saw an "unstable" player lead us in marching down the field with his teammates blowing it. If him playing at the peak of his game doesn't raise the bar for his teammates, than that's on them. Stop making excuses for the team, they didn't execute and it has nothing to do with what Beckham did or didn't do on the sidelines.



When has Beckham ever marched the Giants down the field to victory? Give me a single big win that he has ever been a part of in a Giant uniform? Cruz has given the Giants victory in the face of defeat 2x this year. When has OBJ done that once for the Giants? Do a Google search for OBJ game winning catch and the only thing that comes up is his one handed catch against the Cowboys, anyone remember who actually won that game? Then do a search for Victor Cruz game winning catch, you'll game a page full of different catches.


You seem pretty unstable...
been holding this in  
GentleGiant : 9/26/2016 9:32 am : link
for 2 years, knew I should have just put a block on BBI this week. I'll stop now.
beckham jr  
Les in TO : 9/26/2016 9:32 am : link
had the game winning touchdown catches against the dolphins last year and in st Louis and home to Atlanta in his rookie seasons.

if you think the giants would be better off without beckham, see how they did the one game he missed last season against Minnesota.

Odell caught 8 balls against the saints  
LatHarv83 : 9/26/2016 9:32 am : link
And drew 2 long pass interference penalties on top of that, in a victory I might add, and the bulk of the recap I can recall around here in some circles last week centered around a ball he dropped that didn't even hurt us because Cruz made the catch on the very next play. Some people are just waiting to kill him any chance they get

And I love Eli, but he hasn't been blameless in letting a couple OBJ TDs slip away this year because of errant throws or non throws. Like the play in Dallas right before the Cruz td, missing him wide open. Or yesterday not seeing him when he was open for a long one when Norman got fooled.
I have 0 issue with Odell  
Vin R : 9/26/2016 9:33 am : link
This isn't Dez or Owens we are talking about
Over the top crying aside  
Overseer : 9/26/2016 9:36 am : link
I get being enormously frustrated after that Tye throw pick.

It is perplexing to me why, unless they're wide open, Manning chose (chooses) to throw to Rainey or the two Tight Ends who would not make an another NFL roster (Randle style) when you have 3 pro-bowl caliber WRs. Rainey is fucking 5'8"...not typically the type who catches back of the endzone balls like he's Plaxico Burress.

I would explore trading for a tight end this season, giving up as much as a 2 for the right player (better a 3 obviously). The position is a catastrophe and has the potential to really hurt the Giants' playoff chances.
RE: Odell caught 8 balls against the saints  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 9:37 am : link
In comment 13143057 LatHarv83 said:
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And drew 2 long pass interference penalties on top of that, in a victory I might add, and the bulk of the recap I can recall around here in some circles last week centered around a ball he dropped that didn't even hurt us because Cruz made the catch on the very next play. Some people are just waiting to kill him any chance they get

And I love Eli, but he hasn't been blameless in letting a couple OBJ TDs slip away this year because of errant throws or non throws. Like the play in Dallas right before the Cruz td, missing him wide open. Or yesterday not seeing him when he was open for a long one when Norman got fooled.


Eli also missed Beckham who was wide open yesterday by about 20 yards for a sure 80 yard TD (or whatever the distance was). I can't remember which quarter it was.

IMO, we didn't feed him enough. He was getting open at will and I wish we went to him more. Pittsburgh fans don't complain about, Atlanta fans don't complain about it, and Detroit fans didn't complain about it when their star WR's were/are getting fed.
Huh??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/26/2016 9:39 am : link
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They add Cruz and Sheppard this year and basically ignore both of them in the 4th Qtr


The play right before the game-ending pick was to Cruz for a long first down.

I know there's a narrative starting that no player but the 3 WR's should get balls thrown their way, but not only is that a ridiculous thing to espouse, it is pretty much incorrect to begin with.
This isn't true..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/26/2016 9:42 am : link
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Pittsburgh fans don't complain about, Atlanta fans don't complain about it, and Detroit fans didn't complain about it when their star WR's were/are getting fed.


Both Falcons fans and Lions fans have said they've lost games because they were trying to force the ball to Jones or Megatron too much.

It happens with every team. If you win (like Pittsburgh usually does) there aren't a lot of complaints. When you lose, like the Falcons and Lions have, people complain.

Lions fans have wanted the ball spread out, to Riddick and Tate last year. Falcons fans lamented Roddy White's decline because they felt it made them too reliant on Jones.
Haha, what a crock  
BigBlueShock : 9/26/2016 9:47 am : link
So, let me get this straight. The OP is actually wondering why people treat their own players differently than opposing teams players? Bwahaaaaa! Holy smokes. Hello! Of course we do! It's called being a fan! And you coming on here shitting on OBJ and ripping fans for criticizing other players but backing their own doesn't make you a better fan or a better person, like you seem to think it does. It just makes it seem like you're out of touch with reality. We are SUPPOSED to look at our own players differently.
He'll act more mature  
bignygfan : 9/26/2016 9:49 am : link
When he gets older.

Trust me, I used to be the same way. One-handed catches, new hairstyles, Instagramning with Drake but then I turned 40! lol
RE: This isn't true..  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 9:50 am : link
In comment 13143086 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Pittsburgh fans don't complain about, Atlanta fans don't complain about it, and Detroit fans didn't complain about it when their star WR's were/are getting fed.



Both Falcons fans and Lions fans have said they've lost games because they were trying to force the ball to Jones or Megatron too much.

It happens with every team. If you win (like Pittsburgh usually does) there aren't a lot of complaints. When you lose, like the Falcons and Lions have, people complain.

Lions fans have wanted the ball spread out, to Riddick and Tate last year. Falcons fans lamented Roddy White's decline because they felt it made them too reliant on Jones.


I don't really put much stock in that. Grass is always greener even if it comes from the coaches mouth. What are you paying $20 million for?

The reason why Atlanta and Detroit lose games is because their QB's and defenses suck. They also have inconsistent at best running games.

Pittsburgh has a legit defense and legit running game and they still feed Brown all he can handle.
The bottom line here?  
montanagiant : 9/26/2016 9:53 am : link
OBJ is the very least of the problems this team has
Are people really worrying about memes that will pop up this week  
Mike from Ohio : 9/26/2016 9:59 am : link
or how OBJ acts in front of kids who idolize him?

Just to set the record straight, if your kid is more influenced by OBJ - or any athlete or public figure - than he is by what he experiences at home, you have already failed miserably as a parent. That isn't on OBJ.

Would I like to see the guy not melt down on the sideline? Sure. Would have liked to have seen Tom Coughlin not melt down on the sidelines too. But I don't shield my children from the screen when the Giants play because someone may show frustration in a poor way.

So in summary...get over it.
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Overseer : 9/26/2016 10:00 am : link
In comment 13143073 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I know there's a narrative starting that no player but the 3 WR's should get balls thrown their way, but not only is that a ridiculous thing to espouse, it is pretty much incorrect to begin with.

You're right, it's not possible or adviseable to only throw to the wide receivers but they, with Vereen, should be prioritized. 2 of them were open on the Tye pick. He & LD are bad players. It'd be nice if they could be even a poor man's Dan Campbell to help that part of the game, but neither of them can even block.

The TE position is a problem.
I also need to add  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 10:04 am : link
that I'm not saying we throw into triple coverage like Stafford and the rest of the Detroit QB's have done with Calvin Johnson over his career. I'm suggesting designing more plays for him and moving him around more.
People don't recognize the talent that is OBJ..  
chuckydee9 : 9/26/2016 10:06 am : link
Yesterday OBJ was destroying one of the top 3 CB in the league when he had safety help on every play.. OBJ is insane.. His talent level is way beyond our other WRs and certainly better than any of our TE and RB.. We did not lose the game because of him..
RE: RE: RE: Sorry....  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 10:26 am : link
In comment 13143028 Les in TO said:
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I didn't get to read the full thread. I was distracted by a video of LT throwing his helmet on the ground and throwing a tantrum.



It's quite obvious the OP is correct. If this was Dez, the hypocrites would be all over him. Fortunately, OBJ is a Giant so it's praise regardless. The OP is correct

Dez gets into fights with his teammates and coaches. OBJ gets into it with opponents and expresses his frustration away from others. There is a massive difference.


Ok, so he's no Larry Fitzgerald or Jerry Rice who blows past his coach on the sidelines after acting like an ass on the field.
Giants played scared on Offense  
est1986 : 9/26/2016 10:27 am : link
after a good start. You cant wait till the 4th to really involve the best player on the team. OBJ has aright to be pissed.
RE: Giants played scared on Offense  
UConn4523 : 9/26/2016 10:30 am : link
In comment 13143236 est1986 said:
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after a good start. You cant wait till the 4th to really involve the best player on the team. OBJ has aright to be pissed.


While I can sit here and pretend I know their strategy or gameplan, I will say it was pretty damn annoying we didn't stomp on their throats in the first half. It has generally been the Giants MO so it isn't surprising, but we could have put this damn thing away early. Going into the locker room at halftime up only 5 was brutal.
Talent is off the charts  
JordanCryFace : 9/26/2016 10:46 am : link
His behavior is embarassing.

(long time lurker first time poster, spare me the "you created an account to post this" bs)
RE: Talent is off the charts  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 10:54 am : link
In comment 13143306 JordanCryFace said:
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His behavior is embarassing.

(long time lurker first time poster, spare me the "you created an account to post this" bs)


You shall not be spared.

You created an account to post this.

I also agree with you.
Hey montanagiant  
Kivorka : 9/26/2016 12:21 pm : link
It is true. Weston Richburg's aunt lives in my town and we get together every Sunday at BW3s to watch the game. She's always been a Cowboys fan but when he got drafted by the Giants she became a fan. Beezer gets most improved poster!
RE: Seems like an awful lot of people here never saw LT play  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 12:28 pm : link
In comment 13142947 Greg from LI said:
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.


I saw LT's entire career.

It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.
RE: The bottom line here?  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13143119 montanagiant said:
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OBJ is the very least of the problems this team has


I don't think he's a "problem." I just think he could help solidify things without acting like a 4-year-old having a tantrum in the grocery store after being told "no."
in a game where he knew he was under a microscope  
Dave : 9/26/2016 12:30 pm : link
he melted down anyway

and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss
RE: in a game where he knew he was under a microscope  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 12:33 pm : link
In comment 13143616 Dave said:
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he melted down anyway

and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss


He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.

Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.
Would love it if someone like  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 12:34 pm : link
Herzlich, DeOssie, even JPP put Odell against a wall and read him the riot act. Might stick, coming from a vet.
TTH and others ...  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 12:35 pm : link

I fail to see how you KNOW his emotional outburst CLEARLY enhanced his performance. That strikes me as a really empty statement.
RE: TTH and others ...  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13143631 Beezer said:
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I fail to see how you KNOW his emotional outburst CLEARLY enhanced his performance. That strikes me as a really empty statement.


Well, I'm basing it on how quiet he was for the first 3 quarters.
RE: RE: in a game where he knew he was under a microscope  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13143621 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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he melted down anyway

and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss



He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.

Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.


Wasn't he flagged on the very last drive? Does that penalty not count?
RE: RE: RE: in a game where he knew he was under a microscope  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13143651 Brown Recluse said:
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he melted down anyway

and that, along with the turnovers and penalties, led to the loss



He got emotional, but it clearly helped his performance and he didn't get a flag. That 4th quarter he took the game over.

Not sure how you define it as melting down. He put the team in position to ice the win, and, unfortunately, the QB didn't take advantage.



Wasn't he flagged on the very last drive? Does that penalty not count?


He was flagged for a pick play, but that's not something I consider to be "melting down". Pick plays are often judgement calls by the refs, or they are technique-based failures to execute. Last year's Panther game was melting down. What richburg did yesterday was melting down.
I dunno,  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 12:49 pm : link
seemed a bit overly aggressive to me. Not a stretch to assume that, given his prior antics - that aggression was an example of how he has a difficult time not letting his emotions dictate his actions.
Also,  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 12:50 pm : link
a lot of people seem to think that last Richburg call was BS.

Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.
Unstable or  
Keith : 9/26/2016 12:51 pm : link
young and immature. He's a really good kid that needs to grow up a little. Fans suck.
My concern  
jpennyva : 9/26/2016 12:52 pm : link
isn't so much the tirade itself but when you pick fights with inanimate objects, sometimes the inanimate object wins or gets in a good shot. In all seriousness, he didn't get hurt against the net but what if he had? He could have cut his hand or his eye or sustained some other injury that could have compromised his ability to play. No, it didn't happen, but given what I saw, I don't think such a stupid action would have been out of the realm of possibilities. He can get angry and frustrated, he can yell and scream all he wants. Hell, I don't even care if he cries, but if his frustration and actions from it at some point results in an injury, I would be among those thinking he should get some help with channeling his emotions more productively.
RE: Also,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13143678 Brown Recluse said:
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a lot of people seem to think that last Richburg call was BS.

Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.


I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.

Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.

RE: RE: Seems like an awful lot of people here never saw LT play  
Rick5 : 9/26/2016 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13143607 Beezer said:
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.



I saw LT's entire career.

It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.

Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?
If they had the same number of cameras in 86  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 1:00 pm : link
as they do now, I'm sure LT would have been outed as a lunatic too.

RE: RE: Also,  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 1:02 pm : link
In comment 13143699 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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a lot of people seem to think that last Richburg call was BS.

Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.



I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.

Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.


I think the same could be said in principle for Beckhams penalty on the final drive.
RE: RE: RE: Seems like an awful lot of people here never saw LT play  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 1:03 pm : link
In comment 13143710 Rick5 said:
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.



I saw LT's entire career.

It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.


Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?


LT was also a crackhead and was probably high half the time he was doing that.
Beckham has a little bit of a rock star following  
ghost718 : 9/26/2016 1:08 pm : link
To the point where these fans care about the individual match ups as much as he does.Can't tell you how many times I've read he toasted Norman in the Carolina game.Which is bullshit,but let's say he did anyway,who won the game?

Now the same thing is going on after yesterday.
RE: what upsets me the most  
nicky43 : 9/26/2016 1:08 pm : link
In comment 13143040 GentleGiant said:
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about yesterday's game was the way the Giants played it so similarly to last year's game against Norman when they had no other options to pass to besides OBJ. They add Cruz and Sheppard this year and basically ignore both of them in the 4th Qtr. OBJ was drawing double teams the entire time and they opt for passes to the TE? I cannot understand how you upgrade your offense yet don't change the game plan.


Excellent observation and something I kept asking myself about all game long. Why the heck did they target OBJ so much when he was double covered, over emotional, and dropping passes. I just don't get it.

And then we run the ball with 3rd and long almost every time.

It's as though Mac's whole offensive strategy is top call the play least likely to be expected. That may be fine sometimes but not when it's also the play least likely to succeed. Very bad play calling lost both games we lost so far.

As far as OBJ, tantrums, the coaches need to bench him when he acts up like that and you'll see how fast OBJ corrects those hissy fits.
RE: RE: RE: Seems like an awful lot of people here never saw LT play  
Beezer : 9/26/2016 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13143710 Rick5 said:
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He used to go berserk on the sidelines, throwing his helmet and screaming at people.



I saw LT's entire career.

It's a very poor comparison by you, Greg.


Beez, I was thinking the same thing yesterday. I agree with Greg. Why is it a poor comparison?


My view ... yes, we're talking about insanely effusive players. But one never seemed to be using it as a display or a damn pity party like Odell's strike me at times. LT always seemed fiery but measured, in a way, in order to lead and to get his guys properly "motivated."

For guys who watched LT's career, I don't believe you'll get a large percentage of them saying that he was ever completely out of control. Odell, with the crying and the blatant BS last year (helmet hit) and the non-stop histrionics, then and still now (yesterday), it's clear he's not anywhere near in control of his emotions.

Then there's the difference between one guy playing a "skill" position where his precision is critical, vs. a guy like LT who played a position of overt violence. His patent aggression was part and parcel to what made him the greatest to ever play the position.
RE: RE: RE: Also,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/26/2016 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13143722 Brown Recluse said:
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a lot of people seem to think that last Richburg call was BS.

Very interesting how people see things differently depending on the player.



I'm actually a huge Richburg fan. He put himself in a poor situation. Even if you don't like that he got tossed, it's still his fault for A) getting the FIRST unsportsmanlike, and B) letting the refs even consider giving him a second.

Everyone knew the game was going to be called tight. The officials let both sides know it. There is nobody to blame but him. I know fans don't like that he got tossed on what might have been a soft call, but that's making excuses for the player. Other than the Panther game, when is the last time a Giant player got TWO unsportsmanlike conducts in a game? It never happens. It's stupid behavior.




I think the same could be said in principle for Beckhams penalty on the final drive.


Without access to seeing the play again, the easy thing to do is say that because he got an offensive pass interference call, it means he was out of his mind and out of control. I'm not so sure. The nature of that play is such that a ref can see that play 10 times and decide to throw a flag at any point. He might have simply blocked his man too early.
I don't have access to the play either  
Brown Recluse : 9/26/2016 1:20 pm : link
so I won't say 100% he was not in control, but if my memory serves - he really got his helmet into Normans grill.

Just seems to me like he's gotten a huge pass for that penalty because fans want to defend his behavior.
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christian : 9/26/2016 1:30 pm : link
Some of you guys really are the worst.

Of course Giants would criticize if the shoe was on the other foot.

- Cruz - stop your idiotic, has-been dancing
- JPP - holy shit, your hand looks like someone took a bite out of a cookie
- Manning - Are you as stupid as that facial expression?
- Josh Brown - More domestic complaints than field goals made
- Landon Collins - Cromartie Daddy II
- OBJ - Got his ass kicked by Norman AND the kicking net

Yet ... since they are on the team and half of it's true, half is ridiculous, we want the good players on the team because we like winning.
RE: ...  
Giants2012 : 9/26/2016 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13143833 christian said:
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Some of you guys really are the worst.

Of course Giants would criticize if the shoe was on the other foot.

- Cruz - stop your idiotic, has-been dancing
- JPP - holy shit, your hand looks like someone took a bite out of a cookie
- Manning - Are you as stupid as that facial expression?
- Josh Brown - More domestic complaints than field goals made
- Landon Collins - Cromartie Daddy II
- OBJ - Got his ass kicked by Norman AND the kicking net

Yet ... since they are on the team and half of it's true, half is ridiculous, we want the good players on the team because we like winning.


McAdoo on Odell: "He needs to control himself better and be less of a distraction to his teammates

So the coach is ridiculous too right?

Maybe you need to hear how cool it was OBJ punched a FG net and it hit him in the head. Those tears were just passion
Cruz - keep dancing baby!!!!!
JPP - move over Arm Rangers, this guy is a warrior
Manning - GOAT, f Peyton
Josh Brown - glad he didn't kick her b/c he's awesome
Landon Collins- move over Ronnie Lott, you rule Collins

Happy now skippy? You're the best and good job calling out the rest as the worst.
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